If Allah Is God, Why Does He Pray For Muhammad? Surah 33:43, 33:56, And 2:157? - Christianity Etc (2) - Nairaland
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| Re: If Allah Is God, Why Does He Pray For Muhammad? Surah 33:43, 33:56, And 2:157? by Sixfiguresmart(op): 8:03am On Aug 03, 2022 |
BrokenEggShell:You have said enough. To this point of Taqiyya, I bow to you. You came to the point of disowning your own faith because you just cannot prove a religious point. I thank you for your time. Since you are no longer a muslim, I guess my mission is accomplished. |
| Re: If Allah Is God, Why Does He Pray For Muhammad? Surah 33:43, 33:56, And 2:157? by haekymbahd(m): 8:22am On Aug 03, 2022*. Modified: 9:41am On Aug 03, 2022 |
Sixfiguresmart:No, the problem is not the Quran or Arabic but English language due to its lack of accurate equivalent word for Salah. In Arabic Duha and Salat are different words entirely which different meanings. An Arabic speaker is expected to know the difference between the 2. It becomes quite complex for an English speaker who has little/no knowledge of Arabic? Salah literally means getting close. and there is no English equivalent word for Salah that is why it sharing meanings with other words in English language Muslims get closer to Allah by praying and keeping commandment of Allah. ALLAH gets closer to Muslims through his blessings, support.. That is why when Salah is used for Allah, Angels, human it takes different meanings and the problem is caused due to lack of an accurate equivalent word for Salah in English.. they arrive ستفسدين كل شيء لو تواجدتِ هنا عندما يصلون But if you will ruin everything find when they arrive here عندما يصلون هنا لن يكون هناك فرصة Once they arrive here, there'll be no chance arriving نحن عندنا سيّاح يصلون يوم الجمعة. We've got tourists arriving on Friday. pray انهم يصلون فقدان الايمان يتحول الى يأس They pray, grant thou, lest faith turn to despair. لا استطيعُ الانتظار لرؤيتهم يصلون ويمشون حولي بحرية I can't stand to see them pray and walking around so free. It could mean prayer, blessing, praise, support depending on context e.t.c In your own world you may decide to see it as meaning prayer alone because of your job (Anti-islamist) but don't expect Muslims to see it that way. If Salah is used as prayer in the Quran it is because it fits in the context but inaccurate since there is no English equivalent word for it. |
| Re: If Allah Is God, Why Does He Pray For Muhammad? Surah 33:43, 33:56, And 2:157? by Truvelisback(m): 9:02am On Aug 03, 2022 |
Sixfiguresmart:TenQ, is that u? |
| Re: If Allah Is God, Why Does He Pray For Muhammad? Surah 33:43, 33:56, And 2:157? by TenQ: 4:07pm On Aug 03, 2022 |
Truvelisback:No it isn't TenQ! Sixfiguresmart is One of those who God has privileged to be enlightened in the deceptions of Islam and its Allah AND the grace to articulately share the knowledge with others so that both Muslims and Christians will learn and be guided by the TRUTH. More grace of Christ to him. |
| Re: If Allah Is God, Why Does He Pray For Muhammad? Surah 33:43, 33:56, And 2:157? by Truvelisback(m): 4:12pm On Aug 03, 2022 |
TenQ:Alright. |
| Re: If Allah Is God, Why Does He Pray For Muhammad? Surah 33:43, 33:56, And 2:157? by TenQ: 4:30pm On Aug 03, 2022 |
haekymbahd:And there is no nearest English word to Salah!? The word صلاة is used at least 82 times in the Qur'an: can you please quote just one ayah where صلاة is used or translated as BLESS or BLESSING, PRAISE. Otherwise, all you are doing is to redefine the word صلاة so that you can feel at ease of the meaning of distressing Arabic words. So, my friend, just one verse where صلاة is used as bless! Qur'an 33:56 إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ وَمَلَـٰٓئِكَتَهُۥ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى ٱلنَّبِىِّ ۚ يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ صَلُّوا۟ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلِّمُوا۟ تَسْلِيمًا ٥٦ |
| Re: If Allah Is God, Why Does He Pray For Muhammad? Surah 33:43, 33:56, And 2:157? by haekymbahd(m): 7:42pm On Aug 03, 2022*. Modified: 8:22pm On Aug 03, 2022 |
TenQ:does this change the fact that it doesn't mean prayer. The Quran was revealed in Arabic and not English. Prayer was used to represent Salawat because it fits the context of the verse and not that it gave the actual meaning of Salah. Again show me a verse in the Quran where Salawat is used for Allah and it was translated as prayer Allah SWT said: أُولٰٓئِكَ عَلَيْهِمْ صَلَوٰتٌ مِّنْ رَّبِّهِمْ وَرَحْمَةٌ ۖ وَأُولٰٓئِكَ هُمُ الْمُهْتَدُونَ "Those are the ones upon whom are blessings from their Lord and mercy. And it is those who are the [rightly] guided." (QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 157) |
| Re: If Allah Is God, Why Does He Pray For Muhammad? Surah 33:43, 33:56, And 2:157? by Sixfiguresmart(op): 7:53pm On Aug 03, 2022 |
haekymbahd:Not the Arabic that I know of. At the time Arabic was formed, you might present such an excuse. Your Qurans was said to be written in the 8th century. The standard and most popular quran in circulation is a recitation of Hafs EDITION produced in 1923 which is 99 years ago. Arabic at this point has seen all the caliphates and civilization that had extended from the Arab continent to Europe. You would expect that many words had been fully developed about that time. The only setback to islamic during the time of Uthman was the diacritics, my friend not the vocabulary. haekymbahd:haha that is where your logic goes flat. I read and speak Arabic. Your entire argument is absolutely irrelevant in this case. I have lived in Saudi Arabia and seen a million pilgrims. You have no clue that you are hiding behind a transparent curtain. I speak Arabic and the difference is absolutely clear to me haha. You are only copying and pasting from the net. Take your network away and you cannot defend this thing you call religion. The words salah all over the islamic world and in all islamic literatures that I have read remains constant. one point you should take home, though is: Why did you choose those words in English when you just decidedly asserted that there are no words in English to explain it. Isn't that deceit and sophistry? That is what it becomes, my friend. Knowing that you do not have a word, but cherry picking a word that is convenient for you and selling it as a foundational fact to someone else. If I never spoke Arabic or know about Islam, you would have fooled me. haekymbahd:You have been deluded to say that. Salah has a definite English word. I have an Arabic dictionary with me here published in 1970. Salah means the same in 1970 as it does now. haekymbahd:simply google the meaning of that and what you get is purely Arabic. why do you allow yourself to be deceived? haekymbahd:This is false. get real bro, it simply means the same thing. Ask your scholars too. haekymbahd:You are the one refuting and changing the meaning. You just can't accept the fact that is why you insist that the translation is wrong. Even Saudi citizens confirm that is it what you argue against. haekymbahd:All these are bullcraps. A chain of lies that you have been told. Fact flies. |
| Re: If Allah Is God, Why Does He Pray For Muhammad? Surah 33:43, 33:56, And 2:157? by haekymbahd(m): 8:02pm On Aug 03, 2022 |
Sixfiguresmart:Allah SWT said: أُولٰٓئِكَ عَلَيْهِمْ صَلَوٰتٌ مِّنْ رَّبِّهِمْ وَرَحْمَةٌ ۖ وَأُولٰٓئِكَ هُمُ الْمُهْتَدُونَ "Those are the ones upon whom are blessings from their Lord and mercy. And it is those who are the [rightly] guided." (QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 157) The Arabic word Salawatun/ S:ala:va:t(un) is not used in the meaning that God himself prays to some one else, but it means blessing or mercy in English which are close approximations to it. If there is a preposition ‘Ala: then it does not mean “To Pray” or “To Pray to”. That is the reason that different translators have use the word Blessing or Mercy as the best translation. Allah SWT said: هُنَالِكَ دَعَا زَكَرِيَّا رَبَّهُۥ ۖ قَالَ رَبِّ هَبْ لِى مِنْ لَّدُنْكَ ذُرِّيَّةً طَيِّبَةً ۖ إِنَّكَ سَمِيعُ الدُّعَآءِ "At that, Zechariah called upon his Lord, saying, My Lord, grant me from Yourself a good offspring. Indeed, You are the Hearer of supplication." (QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 38) Keep deceiving yourself Salah doesn't mean prayer/supplication it is only used because it fits the context. |
| Re: If Allah Is God, Why Does He Pray For Muhammad? Surah 33:43, 33:56, And 2:157? by Sixfiguresmart(op): 8:25pm On Aug 03, 2022 |
haekymbahd:haha let me send you the five pillars of islam to shock your spine haha.
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| Re: If Allah Is God, Why Does He Pray For Muhammad? Surah 33:43, 33:56, And 2:157? by TenQ: 10:35pm On Aug 03, 2022 |
haekymbahd:The word صلاة is used 82 times in the Qur'an yet you couldn't find just one example where it was translated as blessings (because they ALL mean the same thing PRAY or PRAYER for) instead you went to look for another word صَلَاة which is always used with the notion of Praying for someone (asking for God's blessings upon someone- Prayer). I asked for other uses of the word صلاة out of the 82 times it was used in the Qur'an (this shouldn't be difficult, should it!?) When Muhammad sends Salawat upon the believers, what does it mean? Is it not that he PRAYS for blessings upon the Ummah? When you Muslims invoke Salawat upon Mohammed when his name is mentioned, what are you doing? Are you not PRAYING for him? Just so that you see Islamic Taqqiyya again in redefining words: 1. Who has the power to BLESS? Can Mohammed bless you Muslims or PRAY for Blessings for you Muslims? 2. Who has the power to BLESS? Can you Muslims Bless Mohammed when you invoke Salawat upon him or PRAY for Blessings upon him? When I Pray for you, is that not synonymous with invoking God's blessings upon you? Can I truely bless you or invoke God's blessings upon you? My brother Islamic Taqqiyya is good at twisting words to say what it's not saying in other to protect Allah and his prophet! You may wish to help me translate the word صَلَوٰتٌ if it means other things than prayers! |
| Re: If Allah Is God, Why Does He Pray For Muhammad? Surah 33:43, 33:56, And 2:157? by TenQ: 10:46pm On Aug 03, 2022 |
AntiChristian:I believe you are not referring to TenQ? SMH! |
| Re: If Allah Is God, Why Does He Pray For Muhammad? Surah 33:43, 33:56, And 2:157? by Sixfiguresmart(op): 3:56pm On Aug 04, 2022 |
AntiChristian:I am not he. Face the fact that has gone wild. Everyone is getting to know the truth about Islam. You all asked us to read it to get the fact. That is exactly what we are now doing |
| Re: If Allah Is God, Why Does He Pray For Muhammad? Surah 33:43, 33:56, And 2:157? by Sixfiguresmart(op): 3:58pm On Aug 04, 2022 |
uthlaw:This is not the subject matter. We will solve it when we get to that table. When we conclude with who allah prayed to, we can then decide on that |
| Re: If Allah Is God, Why Does He Pray For Muhammad? Surah 33:43, 33:56, And 2:157? by BrokenEggShell: 8:16pm On Aug 04, 2022 |
Sixfiguresmart: ![]() the way people will do just to avoid admitting error... ![]() bye bye oo!! ![]() |
| Re: If Allah Is God, Why Does He Pray For Muhammad? Surah 33:43, 33:56, And 2:157? by ANTIlSLAM(m): 8:38pm On Aug 04, 2022 |
That tin is not God, this is what the god of Muhammad (allah) said in Quran
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| Re: If Allah Is God, Why Does He Pray For Muhammad? Surah 33:43, 33:56, And 2:157? by freeborn02: 7:00am On Aug 08, 2023 |
AntiChristian:Who is the Arabian idol you are worshiping praying to? |
| Re: If Allah Is God, Why Does He Pray For Muhammad? Surah 33:43, 33:56, And 2:157? by freeborn02: 7:02am On Aug 08, 2023 |
Hibat2020:Allah prays? Who did allah pray to? Does your Arabian idol, allah have another idol it serves? |
| Re: If Allah Is God, Why Does He Pray For Muhammad? Surah 33:43, 33:56, And 2:157? by freeborn02: 7:04am On Aug 08, 2023 |
uthlaw:Even your Quran called Jesus the Word and Spirit of God. Can you separate someone from His Spirit or Word? If Jesus is Word and Spirit of God according to Quran, then Jesus is God |
| Re: If Allah Is God, Why Does He Pray For Muhammad? Surah 33:43, 33:56, And 2:157? by freeborn02: 7:06am On Aug 08, 2023 |
haekymbahd:It's good you are comparing Jesus with allah. So, who does allah, the Arabian idol, prayed to? |
| Re: If Allah Is God, Why Does He Pray For Muhammad? Surah 33:43, 33:56, And 2:157? by freeborn02: 7:08am On Aug 08, 2023 |
Sixfiguresmart:Yeah, Mohammed was a racist |
| Re: If Allah Is God, Why Does He Pray For Muhammad? Surah 33:43, 33:56, And 2:157? by freeborn02: 7:09am On Aug 08, 2023 |
Sixfiguresmart:Read John chapter 1:1-2 |
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