Sixfiguresmart:
Let us first look at the false english translation of the verse 33:56:

Allah and His angels send blessings on the Prophet: O ye that believe! Send ye blessings on him, and salute him with all respect [1]

And then look at the arabic version of the quran:

إِنَّ اللَّهَ وَمَلَائِكَتَهُ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى النَّبِيِّ ۚ يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا صَلُّوا عَلَيْهِ وَسَلِّمُوا تَسْلِيمًا

The action words above are ‘yusallun’ and ‘sallu’. They both come from the exact same root word – salah. Ask any muslim what salah means, and they will answer ‘pray’. So, the verse actually say ‘Allah and his angels pray on the Prophet: O ye that believe! Pray on him and ask for peace for him’.

So, here we clearly see, that Allah actually prays on Muhammad! Not sending blessings on him, as the false translation wants us to believe. And the exact same action is done by the Angels. And on top of that, every muslim is commanded to do the same action! So, here we have Muhammad receiving the prayers from Allah, the Angels and every muslim. This shows us that Muhammad is the one receiving the worship of his false God.

If Allah was the true God, why would he pray for Muhammad? No true God would ever pray.
Who exactly is Allah praying to? Is he praying to himself?
If Allah was the true God, wouldn’t it be enough that Allah prayed for Muhammed? Why do do Allah need the Angels and the believers pray on him too?
Since Muhammed is the one receiving all these prayers, this shows us that Allah is but a toy in the hands of Muhammad.
If Allah and the Angels and the followers of islam are praying to Muhammad, are they not committing shirk (taking partners with Allah)?

Allah actually practise salat type prayer just like how muslims pray salat for allah.The difference is Allah prays for the prophet only.Its not the duah type prayer. Allah in this verse actually worshipped Mohammad by any type of salat just like how Muslims worship allah by salat Arab People 1400 yesrs ago didn’t have guts to challange quran.Mohammad probably brainwashed them to just believe it.No wonder why he had to come up with a command that apostates should be Executed.Muslim apologists succeeded to corrupt the quran.But why they still believe in islam knowing that quran has contradiction?Well its ignorance.Their belief that quran can’t be wrong this biase ignorant belief made them translate it to “send blessing” from “prayer”.lets say it should not translate to prayer,How do they exactly know that it should translate to send blessings?it can mean any other different thing like sending peace,sending sending sawab etc.Anyway,The most logical explaination is this verse says allah prays for the prophet but not dua type prayer.its a type of worshipping prayer.

Hibat2020:


Allah(God) pray on Abraham by blessing him and his generation because of his virtue and total faith in his creator. Does that mean he is being worshiped? Do not invite the anger of your creator on you and your generation. Ignorance is like a cancerous womb that eat it's host without him/her knowing.

Sixfiguresmart:
So, you confirm that Allah prays?? You cannot twist and tweak a simple verb when you don't speak Arabic yourself. You're deluded and absolutely brainwashed.

The subject of the matter is: who does Allah pray to?

Sixfiguresmart:

So, you confirm that Allah prays?? You cannot twist and tweak a simple verb when you don't speak Arabic yourself. You're deluded and absolutely brainwashed.
The subject of the matter is: who does Allah pray to?

MaxInDHouse:


By using the first highlighted no Muslim will want to reason along with the second highlighted so please just present what you have and allow people who have working brains make use of it.

If Allah is praying for Muhammad it simply means Allah doesn't have the power to grant the supplication it's as simple as that.

Jesus of Nazareth said:

“All authority has been GIVEN me in heaven and on the earth". Matthew 28:18

From the above statement it's obvious that Jesus has no doubt in the salvation of all those putting faith in his teachings! John 3:16

But as for Muhammad he couldn't even guarantee his own salvation because he told his disciples that Allah can choose to do whatever pleases him so whether you believe or not it's all based on UNCERTAINTY!

Surely Allah can't be the Almighty God unlike the God that Abraham challenged saying:

"It is unthinkable that you would act in this manner by putting the righteous man to death with the wicked one so that the outcome for the righteous man and the wicked is the same! It is unthinkable of you. Will the Judge of all the earth not do what is right?” Genesis 18:25

Abraham is 100% sure that the God speaking to him can only prove to be the one and only true God by securing a future for those that proved to be righteous!

haekymbahd:
it's actually nice to know that you are aware that Jesus is a false God cos he prayed with tears on his face I wonder who he was praying to maybe himself...


But you are still serving him it seems you are the actually brainwashed fellow.

Mathew 26 vs 39

39 And going a little farther, He threw Himself upon the ground on His face and prayed saying, My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from Me; nevertheless, not what I will [not what I desire], but as You will and desire.

Also
Hebrew 5 vs 7
7 In the days of His flesh [Jesus] offered up definite, special petitions [for that which He not only wanted [b]but needed] and supplications with strong crying and tears to Him Who was [always] able to save Him [out] from death, and He was heard because of His reverence toward God [His godly fear, His piety, [c] in that He shrank from the horrors of separation from the bright presence of the Father].


FYI: Salah and Dua doesn't mean the same thing take note...

Question: Kndly define both Salat and Dua and let's see if it truly means prayer? ...


Do you even know what homonyms means. Some Arabic words does not really have English equivalent so it shares meaning with other words.

Salah the root word itself doesn't mean prayer
The word “salah” literally means “to come close and near”. It is used in the Quran for prayers as well as for blessings.

Through our salah or prayers, we try to come closer to Allah with submission and surrender. Allah also draws near to His Prophets and the Believers through His blessings.


When Salah is used for human it means getting close to Allah through prayers and worship.

When Salah is used for Allah it means Allah getting close to human through love and blessings..



they arrive

ستفسدين كل شيء لو تواجدتِ هنا عندما يصلون
But if you will ruin everything find when they arrive here

عندما يصلون هنا لن يكون هناك فرصة
Once they arrive here, there'll be no chance


arriving

نحن عندنا سيّاح يصلون يوم الجمعة.
We've got tourists arriving on Friday.

pray
انهم يصلون فقدان الايمان يتحول الى يأس
They pray, grant thou, lest faith turn to despair.

لا استطيعُ الانتظار لرؤيتهم يصلون ويمشون حولي بحرية
I can't stand to see them pray and walking around so free.


Salah can be used as both prayer as well as blessing depending on context?

Sixfiguresmart:

Jesus never taught that he was God. The Bible doe snot carry such a message. Jesus prayed and cried to God because he is not God. On the other hand, allah prayed to mohammed and his angels did the same praying to a man who poops and stools. How do you feel about that?

If Salah can be used as blessing, who decides the use in that verse? Your decision becomes the alteration. haha. In arabic, the most famous word for blessing in بركة baraka. Even in Nigeria, go ask any mild Muslim what baraka is, no one will mistaken blessing for salah.

The word found in the quran is يُصَلُّونَ and if you read Arabic (doubt if you do) you can clearly see that the pronoun used there is the 3rd person PLURAL "yusallun" which means THEY PRAYED.

If you say it is blessing, think: How can allah team up with his angels to bless mohammed? Isn't allah the one who blesses? Did he run out of it?

Regardless, there is no Jupiter in this world that can command that verb to turn to blessing. Just copy those Arabic words and translate on Google and your surprise package will be revealed to you.

Again, باركوا means THEY BLESSED. You cannot fool someone who reads Arabic with your basic understanding of Arabic. إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ وَمَلَـٰٓئِكَتَهُۥ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى ٱلنَّبِىِّ ۚ according to your Quran asserts that allah PRAYED. Yes or no??

haekymbahd:
majority of christians accepts Jesus as God maybe you are part of the heretic ones...

duha means supplication (prayer)

Barakah means blessing

Salah is neither of the 2

The word du’a, is equivalent in meaning to the English word “prayer,” which is simply “supplication.” To refer to salat as “prayer” is convenient, because there is no English equivalent, but inaccurate.

The word “salah” literally means “to come close and near”.

The verse didn't say Allah made duha for Muhammad.

they arrive

ستفسدين كل شيء لو تواجدتِ هنا عندما يصلون
But if you will ruin everything find when they arrive here

عندما يصلون هنا لن يكون هناك فرصة
Once they arrive here, there'll be no chance


arriving

نحن عندنا سيّاح يصلون يوم الجمعة.
We've got tourists arriving on Friday.

pray
انهم يصلون فقدان الايمان يتحول الى يأس
They pray, grant thou, lest faith turn to despair.

لا استطيعُ الانتظار لرؤيتهم يصلون ويمشون حولي بحرية
I can't stand to see them pray and walking around so free.


Salah can be used as both prayer as well as blessing depending on context?

kindly differentiate between duha and Salah

haekymbahd:
majority of christians accepts Jesus as God maybe you are part of the heretic ones...

duha means supplication (prayer)

Barakah means blessing

Salah is neither of the 2

The word du’a, is equivalent in meaning to the English word “prayer,” which is simply “supplication.” To refer to salat as “prayer” is convenient, because there is no English equivalent, but inaccurate.

The word “salah” literally means “to come close and near”.

The verse didn't say Allah made duha for Muhammad.

they arrive

ستفسدين كل شيء لو تواجدتِ هنا عندما يصلون
But if you will ruin everything find when they arrive here

عندما يصلون هنا لن يكون هناك فرصة
Once they arrive here, there'll be no chance


arriving

نحن عندنا سيّاح يصلون يوم الجمعة.
We've got tourists arriving on Friday.

pray
انهم يصلون فقدان الايمان يتحول الى يأس
They pray, grant thou, lest faith turn to despair.

لا استطيعُ الانتظار لرؤيتهم يصلون ويمشون حولي بحرية
I can't stand to see them pray and walking around so free.


Salah can be used as both prayer as well as blessing depending on context but neither is accurate?

kindly differentiate between duha and Salah

Sixfiguresmart:
Let us first look at the false english translation of the verse 33:56:

Allah and His angels send blessings on the Prophet: O ye that believe! Send ye blessings on him, and salute him with all respect [1]

And then look at the arabic version of the quran:

إِنَّ اللَّهَ وَمَلَائِكَتَهُ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى النَّبِيِّ ۚ يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا صَلُّوا عَلَيْهِ وَسَلِّمُوا تَسْلِيمًا

The action words above are ‘yusallun’ and ‘sallu’. They both come from the exact same root word – salah. Ask any muslim what salah means, and they will answer ‘pray’. So, the verse actually say ‘Allah and his angels pray on the Prophet: O ye that believe! Pray on him and ask for peace for him’.

So, here we clearly see, that Allah actually prays on Muhammad! Not sending blessings on him, as the false translation wants us to believe. And the exact same action is done by the Angels. And on top of that, every muslim is commanded to do the same action! So, here we have Muhammad receiving the prayers from Allah, the Angels and every muslim. This shows us that Muhammad is the one receiving the worship of his false God.

If Allah was the true God, why would he pray for Muhammad? No true God would ever pray.
Who exactly is Allah praying to? Is he praying to himself?
If Allah was the true God, wouldn’t it be enough that Allah prayed for Muhammed? Why do do Allah need the Angels and the believers pray on him too?
Since Muhammed is the one receiving all these prayers, this shows us that Allah is but a toy in the hands of Muhammad.
If Allah and the Angels and the followers of islam are praying to Muhammad, are they not committing shirk (taking partners with Allah)?

Allah actually practise salat type prayer just like how muslims pray salat for allah.The difference is Allah prays for the prophet only.Its not the duah type prayer. Allah in this verse actually worshipped Mohammad by any type of salat just like how Muslims worship allah by salat Arab People 1400 yesrs ago didn’t have guts to challange quran.Mohammad probably brainwashed them to just believe it.No wonder why he had to come up with a command that apostates should be Executed.Muslim apologists succeeded to corrupt the quran.But why they still believe in islam knowing that quran has contradiction?Well its ignorance.Their belief that quran can’t be wrong this biase ignorant belief made them translate it to “send blessing” from “prayer”.lets say it should not translate to prayer,How do they exactly know that it should translate to send blessings?it can mean any other different thing like sending peace,sending sending sawab etc.Anyway,The most logical explaination is this verse says allah prays for the prophet but not dua type prayer.its a type of worshipping prayer.

AntiChristian:
Same text is being posted by same person with a different moniker!

Nna ehn!

Islamophobia will not make you crazy o!

Musty42gud:
Is that your problem
Abi is there something else that you want?

Hibat2020:


Allah(God) pray on Abraham by blessing him and his generation because of his virtue and total faith in his creator. Does that mean he is being worshiped? Do not invite the anger of your creator on you and your generation. Ignorance is like a cancerous womb that eat it's host without him/her knowing.

TenQ:

Please can you quote the ayah where Allah also pray for Ibrahim?

Thanks

BrokenEggShell:


you people sef eh...

TenQ:

That your eyes be open to the deceptions in Islam and that the TRUTH will become your reality

Musty42gud:


Are you done?

Musty42gud:
[rquote author=TenQ post=115244580]
Without lies and deceit, the religion of peace DIES!

What else?

TenQ:

Drink water on that and don't stubbornly follow a man who says he doesn't know what will befall him at judgement day!
Lies of Islam bursted in the last two years is outstanding

Sixfiguresmart:
What did we do? Did we break your eggshell?

BrokenEggShell:

Don't worry about my eggshell biko

Anyway, in my experience, Christians are especially annoying when they are trying to "debunk" Islam. Imagine a Christian that will not devote time to master Biblical Hebrew but will be rummaging through the Qur'an, taking mini Qur'anic Arabic lessons on the internet just so they can debunk somebody on Nairaland. Na wa o.

As one respondent has already previously stated, words are not often equivalent between language, for many reasons. I'm sure any bilingual individuals can come up with several examples of words that mean multiple things in one language, but are more specific in the other. It's not an odd thing at all.

In English, the word "prayer" comes from Latin precāria, the substantive feminine of the adjective precārius, which means something obtained by entreaty or by favor. The noun form, "pray" comes from a related word: precor, which means "to pray, beg, beseech". The archaic sense of "beg" is still preserved in older English phrases like "I pray thee" which just means something like "please".

In Arabic, ṣalat (صَلَاة) comes from the root ص ل و (s-l-w), whose meaning is ultimately unknown as of now. Some have linked it instead to the root و ص ل, which has the sense of "linking" or "joining", but I am doubtful. Anyway, since Salah refers specifically to the ritual prayers and not the average prayer (which is Du'a), it makes sense that it probably doesn't come from an easy source. It's inaccurate to simply translate as "prayer" for reasons specified by other comments.

Something similar happens in Biblical Hebrew, actually. The Modern Hebrew verb פילל (pilel) comes from the root פ-ל-ל (p-l-l). The root is used in 1 Samuel 2:25, where it says: אִם־ יֶחֱטָ֨א אִ֤ישׁ לְאִישׁ֙ וּפִֽלְל֣וֹ אֱלֹהִ֔ים וְאִ֤ם לַֽיהוָה֙ יֶֽחֱטָא־ אִ֔ישׁ מִ֖י יִתְפַּלֶּל־ ל֑וֹ וְלֹ֤א יִשְׁמְעוּ֙ לְק֣וֹל אֲבִיהֶ֔ם כִּֽי־ חָפֵ֥ץ יְהוָ֖ה לַהֲמִיתָֽם. Here, we're looking specifically at וּפִֽלְל֣וֹ (u-pillow), the fourth word from the right. Most times it means "to pray" but in this passage it means "to judge", and it is referring to God doing the action. This has also carried over into Modern Hebrew in the verb I mentioned above, which can mean "to hope, pray for, believe possible" but also "to judge, mediate". With your approach to translation, that passage would mean "If one man sin against another, God shall pray to him; but if a man sin against the LORD, who shall entreat for him?"...

Sixfiguresmart:
On one hand, you insist that we tale lessons from the net, yet again copying and pasting articles that YOU found on the net.

I am not a net jerk Sir. I live in Saudi Arabia and been taught Islam by sources more authentic than the onrs around you. I have paid attention before coming to a conclusion. You can bet that I speak and read Arabic too.

You may leave other topics outta this and focus on the question at hand. Too much said but little covered.
I never cared about Islam until it was served to me by Muslim sheikhs. Your brother demanding that I provide the meaning of Salah and I did from Islamic certified sources.

You are here debunking your scholars by devising an explanation that plunges you deep in this trench. The question is, who chooses the right context in the translation? That man becomes the allah.

You root word in Arabic etc are totally Bullsheet because Arabic is is a 1st or 4th century language Originating from Aramaic or so. Check the attached

BrokenEggShell:


E pain you .
I never even said it was YOU that did X and Y, I said that in my experience Christians do such things to Muslims with more fervour and passion than vice-versa. Just look up one or two Muslim videos on YouTube and the next thing you will start seeing is Christians "debunking" Islam en masse, but watching Christian videos you will rarely if ever see Muslim content. You never said where you did or did not get your information, so how should I know? I didn't check whether you copy and pasted.

BrokenEggShell:

Anyway, your attempts to possibly scare me off with your fake chestpuffing and "credentials" is completely fruitless, since we both know that I cannot verify whatever you are saying. This is the internet, so you or I could be lying about whatever claims we brag about. Thus, I do not care what credentials you may or may not have, since the information that you posted could be acquired by anyone on the internet who is diligent enough to read a few articles.

BrokenEggShell:

I don't take Islamic certified sources as automatic proof because they are obviously going to be biased towards an interpretation that would serve their religion, so the chances of truthful, unclouded research being done by Islamic sources on a word with as much religious important as Salah is very tiny. I would rather listen to Afroasiatic, Semitic, or Arabic linguists' opinions on the matter, preferably with papers for me to read and actually examine the claims. This is where most of my information on Arabic comes from, after all. If I ever considered Islamic certified sources, it would be rarely, when they somehow coincide with any other research I might be doing. Hence my claims on the actual meaning of the root being unknown.

BrokenEggShell:

This is not my explanation in the sense that it isn't an explanation at all. I simply stated that the etymology is uncertain. Most Islamic claims about the etymology are unfounded and far-fetched, and I have yet to see any convincing phonological justification for the core root meanings people have proposed. Is this too difficult for you to understand?

BrokenEggShell:

Your pet theory about Arabic being derived from Aramaic is laughable. I hope you are not just spitting nonsense here? Aramaic and Arabic are related, so they will obviously be similar in some ways, but that is not enough to prove that one comes from the other. A word being borrowed from one language to the other doesn't mean the entire language is from the other language. Igbo borrowed the word osikapa from Hausa shikanfa in pre colonial times, but those two are not linguistically related at all at all. English borrows words from other languages all the time too. If that etymology is correct (and the image only says it is PROBABLY correct), then since we know there were Jews living in Pre-Islamic Arabia, he could have gotten it from one of them. Same way the word "Injil" probably comes from the word evangelion in Greek, which just means "Gospel". Your picture doesn't prove what you are suggesting.

Sixfiguresmart:
Regardless of where I get it, is it fact or fiction? You want to know where I get the pieces of information that references your own hadith and Quran. What did I just say, Hadith and Quran? Oh, yes! How did you miss that? I quoted the Quran, didn't I? Your job should have been to verify it with the Quran you have in your possession.

To your claim that Christians discredit Islam, No Sir! Muslims over the decade have build up this preemptive wall to malign Christians and the discredit the Bible as spurious and adulterated. The built the wall so high to keep blind Muslims from considering the Bible and they took it 10 steps further to Christians and began amplifying all the narratives not only on megaphones but on television. Initially, they had a pass because these things were written and said in Arabic which was a strange language to almost everyone except the Muslim population. Overtime things went global and the internet connected liberal and ex-muslims with the academia. At that point one man discovered a thing, others want to break the ground to discover more. And, the movement exposed the many lies told by Muslim scholars. It then became an object of mockery. Because, the oil money attracted strangers to the Arab world, who then learned Arabic and have a copy of the Quran. I have 2 Qurans in my possession. One of my Arab friends moved out of our flat and left his Quran as an overload or excess. As I helped him pack, I told him to put his Quran in his suitcase but he asked me to keep it. It shows the utter lack of reverence he has for the Quran. This man took every essential but the Quran wasn't one of them as he moved to the UK for good.
The lies told by Muslims scholars overtime and made the Quran so illustrious is causing a damaging effect on Islam right now.

Sixfiguresmart:

If I wanted to scare anyone off, I would even post a thing to begin with. I take outta my busy hours to do this. I say no lie. I worked In Arabia for 3 consecutive years and supposedly, I should know a thing or two, one would expect. From My expression you can tell if I am a copy and paste guy. Not to scare you off. I am not a scarecrow. I invited you to the conversation so why scare you? It is not a do or die affair. I do not hate Muslims. I live in the north and I love them. I have great friends who are Muslims. We argue and we fight over some topics but we are grown men. We keep our differences aside and take qawha

Sixfiguresmart:

Bro, you cannot dictate a thing regarding your religion. That I know. Your Mufassir must be your guide. You may say what you want online but in the circle of Islam, you must follow the rulings or have yourself responsible for whatever ensues. Your job is to follow and not to question. If you do not take your Tafsir as automatic proof, that is fine. But, in this case I am not even quoting a Mufassir, I am quoting the Quran and the Hadith. Which is an autocratically accepted truth in the Islam.

Sixfiguresmart:

If it is difficult for an Arabic speaker like me to understand, how could you yourself? I am a polyglot. I speak about 9 languages. I have been about. I am not here to brag but at least, I can read and speak Arabic. I was taught and I can understand. I wonder what it is that you want to present that ranks above my range of understanding.
Let's put it this way, if it is too difficult for your to explain, it simply means that you have ran out of ways to coin it. It is just above your level of sophistry. The reason why you have this much difficulty is because, you do not know how much resources I have or know. You would have simply coined this neatly to a lame head dude. The more you try to explain it, the farther you create another message that you may find hard to rewind. You have now gone 3 steps already discrediting your scholars on the internet. That is a huge problem created by you already. Because the tafsir that you are posting here was also written by another Mufassir who has tried to defend the Quran using that logic. Now, discrediting scholars, means discrediting the same guy whose tafsir is your comment.

Sixfiguresmart:

Okay bro, tell me the origin of the Arabic language.
Modern European languages are derivatives of the Roman Latin.
Hebrew is a derivative of Aramaic. Now think, Arabic came up in the 3rd or 5th century. By this time, even Aramaic wade fading away and being replaced with Hebrew. By this time, even the Romans spoke Greek majorly except those in Europe who spoke Latin which wasn't as dominant as Greek given the Greek contribution in education. Now, given the region in which Arabic emanated, the dominant languages were the Egyptian and the Hebrew. Every other languages were formed during the construction of the tower of babel