That's why the west are afraid of Putin , Putin don't just threaten they would have even shut down the airplane carrying the USA rep

ken6488:
That's why the west are afraid of Putin , Putin don't just threaten they would have even shut down the airplane carrying the USA rep

you're on this

ken6488:
That's why the west are afraid of Putin , Putin don't just threaten they would have even shut down the airplane carrying the USA rep

The plane wouldn’t even travel there in the first place.
Never not even when the island is called part of Russia because Taiwan is called people rep of China.
You can only get visa to Taiwan from Chinese embassies.

If Russia can took over Crimea then blocked the way to Azoz sea and Mauripol by introducing operation search all ships going to Ukraine ports in that area.
Even now Ukraine need Russia permission to export its wheats from Odessa ports.

Invaded Pelosi wouldn’t have even entered plane from us to go to Taiwan!! Who born monkey??

ken6488:
That's why the west are afraid of Putin , Putin don't just threaten they would have even shut down the airplane carrying the USA rep

Putin is a former Soviet army veteran and also a KGB ok

seunny4lif:

The plane wouldn’t even travel there in the first place.
Never not even when the island is called part of Russia because Taiwan is called people rep of China.
You can only get visa to Taiwan from Chinese embassies.

If Russia can took over Crimea then blocked the way to Azoz sea and Mauripol by introducing operation search all ships going to Ukraine ports in that area.
Even now Ukraine need Russia permission to export its wheats from Odessa ports.

Russians don't fear death, they are battle hardened, vodka is working

ken6488:
That's why the west are afraid of Putin , Putin don't just threaten they would have even shut down the airplane carrying the USA rep

US government and her family would have prepared for a befitting burial because it will be a journey she will never come back alive. The odd of her coming back alive is zero.

USA know that Russians are mad. In USA, they will tell you to avoid russkies. Stay the fuvk away from ruskies.

Pelosi would not have even been mad enough to think about wanting to visit, let alone talk of entering plane to go there.

You are comparing Russia inability to think through a problem without the need for an unnecessary,uneconomic and time wasting wars to a china that has worked hard to bring 1 billion of it's people to a life better than what Russia had a 100 years ago.This the achieved without going to war!


You need to be educated on the difference between the way the two nations solve problems!

baralatie:

You are comparing Russia inability to think through a problem without the need for an unnecessary,uneconomic and time wasting wars to a china that has worked hard to bring 1 billion of it's people to a life better than what Russia had a 100 years ago.This the achieved without going to war!


You need to be educated on the difference between the way the two nations solve problems!

China has always been to war, you think China is new? You go to war to solve

War with India, Japan, etc

baralatie:

You are comparing Russia inability to think through a problem without the need for an unnecessary,uneconomic and time wasting wars to a china that has worked hard to bring 1 billion of it's people to a life better than what Russia had a 100 years ago.This the achieved without going to war!


You need to be educated on the difference between the way the two nations solve problems!

Exactly. I'm just happy China is wise. Xi cares a lot about China's economic growth and does not want anything that will reverse their many years of hard work. But Russia does not care about what happens to the economy in the pursuit of Russia's strategic interest.

If China must maintain its growth level and the ties it has made with other countries it has to steer clear of debilitating wars. President Xi is wise and smart.

baralatie:

You are comparing Russia inability to think through a problem without the need for an unnecessary,uneconomic and time wasting wars to a china that has worked hard to bring 1 billion of it's people to a life better than what Russia had a 100 years ago.This the achieved without going to war!


You need to be educated on the difference between the way the two nations solve problems!

Hmnn....so you think the Russians are stupid. The war in Ukraine was always going to happen. The Russians knew all along that NATO and Ukraine were planning an all out assault on the Donbass. If they had allowed it, it would have been very difficult for them to intervene, since NATO would be actively involved.

The Russians seized the initiative by invading Ukraine, that's why the US and its NATO allies were and are still very mad, because the Russians beat them at their own game.

As for China, they know war is inevitable on the Taiwan issue, but I think they (China) are not sure yet, if they can actually succeed in invading and taking the Island.

The difference between Russia and China is that, Russia is ever ready to pick up a fight, to protect its interest based on experience, while China is not so sure of its capabilities yet, having not engaged in any war since the Korean war.

I swear you're right, Russia doesn't really have a problem going to war with anybody including USA , Putin sees it as an inevitability and there is no one to talk him out of it because all the people in power hates the west more than Putin.
One of the former CIA directors once said,most powerful countries sees war as a last resort when it comes to Thier peer but Russia doesn't, infact they fantasize about war,they even make 3d models about nuking western capitals and laugh about it

Not only would they have invaded they will shoot down her plane alor blow up the airport location that wants to receive her. After that they will drop missiles on the middle of the city after a one hour warning.
Russians don't really care about consequences, they've lives through the Soviet union suffer through the worst of the worst economic and humanitarian crisis,they don't care.
To the Russian people war is always the best option that's why putin has 89% approval rate

oluobi:



Hmnn....so you think the Russians are stupid. The war in Ukraine was always going to happen. The Russians knew all along that NATO and Ukraine were planning an all out assault on the Donbass. If they had allowed it, it would have been very difficult for them to intervene, since NATO would be actively involved.

The Russians seized the initiative by invading Ukraine, that's why the US and its NATO allies were and are still very mad, because the Russians beat them at their own game.

As for China, they know war is inevitable on the Taiwan issue, but I think they (China) are not sure yet, if they can actually succeed in invading and taking the Island.

The difference between Russia and China is that, Russia is ever ready to pick up a fight, to protect its interest based on experience, while China is not so sure of its capabilities yet, having not engaged in any war since the Korean war.

Russia and Ukraine war was needless!
The Russia already had an upper had in Crimea and Donbass
It already had ensured that Ukraine will never have an opportunity to be in NATO because of Donbass
It has already gotten a written notice from Washington and the government of the US that Ukraine will not be NATO!
It already had a Minsk2 agreement with Ukraine brokered by Germany and France!
All it needed was a Minsk3 agreement and thereby shutting down Ukraine ever thinking of joining NATO
The war became inevitable because the corrupt political system of Ukraine(who were ready to destroy Ukraine for whatever) A Russia not been able muster economic goals nor industrial growth in eastern Europe leaves it wide open for third party manipulations in the name of aids and disguised promises!

Historically Russia has been a target of bloodshed so it is understandable that the only thing it wants is more power militarily to wade off an invasion but China also has a long history of been plundered by wars and a history of bloodshed but look at the outcome now.China is way off the scale wen it comes to the word comfort!

That is why I said the choices of these two nations are different! there paths are different!they means to solving there problems are different .whilst china is partially not on the radar of the west because of economic gains.russia finds itself in constant cold wars because of its military investments and alliances!

The only thing that Russia is able to wave is the carrot and the stick which makes it an enemy of the West .so it is always a problem of a back and forth of cold war

People.saying Russia sees war as inevitable.are correct but see the bigger picture
Russia is running Helter skelter to ensure that China stayswih it for the economic losses it is been hit with.it has not gone into war with the US yet oo!
It has not gone into war with NATO yet oo!
But it has suffered shock that if you cut off China .Russia would launch nuclear bombs if possible!

War is expensive!it goes beyond I have weapons

How I wish you have oppoy to go through the history and wars that went down in China!
Anytime you hear the Chinese says they have 4000 years history!
It is a history of bloodshed,destruy,whipping out of people,plagues and you name it!
If the last Emperor of China would come and see where China is as of today!
She will throw salute for the generations that came after her generation!
And you think she will advice Xi to bring war to the region because of a woman visited Taiwan (the woman that has gone back to her country)!

Russia might choose to nuke and whip out the whole Ukraine but not china.
China has a statement if it will take 1000 years to win over Taiwan.They are ready

[quote author=baralatie post=115408714]
Russia and Ukraine war was needless!
The Russia already had an upper had in Crimea and Donbass
It already had ensured that Ukraine will never have an opportunity to be in NATO because of Donbass
It has already gotten a written notice from Washington and the government of the US that Ukraine will not be NATO!
It already had a Minsk2 agreement with Ukraine brokered by Germany and France!


There was never a written agreement that Ukraine would not become a member of NATO, if anything, the US continued to assure Ukraine that it would become a member of NATO, in the build up to the invasion.

Minsk 2 agreement was never implemented by Ukraine before the invasion. In fact, one of the demands of Moscow before the invasion was the implementation of Minsk 2 agreement.

Let me remind you that even after the invasion, as part of the initial negotiations, Moscow still talked about the need to implement Minsk 2 agreement. I guess all that is history now.

One of the religious books says 'The kingdom of God suffereth violence, and the violent taketh it by force'. Russia is doing what is best for its interest at the moment.

The US would do the same, even worse.

Someone said oh Russia had Minsk 2 or 10 agreement but forgetting that what’s the use of an agreement if one said he will not obey it and even went ahead to banned Russian language and everything Russians in schools, TV etc which is diff from Taiwan case.
Ukraine former president and members have said it many times that Ukraine used all those agreements to buy time thinking maybe NATO will come to their aid.
Even within NATO self, many are doubting if USA will risk any USA cities for Baltic states talkless of Ukraine
NATO trained Ukraine troops for good 8 years as in 8 good years.
Ukrainian language is still the most popular language after Russian in Russia.

Venezuela is more 2KM KM from USA and no Russia bases in America continents yet only maybe once or 2X visit by Russia military to Venezuela alone in a year, always made USA making military noises up and down.
I can’t wait for sept when both Russia, China and Iran navies and airforces will be in America continent for massive military exercises, let see how USA will respond.

One the reason Africans were easily enslaved are talk like this that and reason Africa leaders have left us in poverties.

Ethiopia is the only country in Africa never to be colonised because they fought like mad for their survival just like Russians are doing now.
Merkel and everyone knew that out of all Russia leaders from president to senators, Putin is most easy person to talk with as the rest are more hardcore.
The Russia have see war in their homeland for pass 100 years from time Russia empire to till now.
They have been invaded by Sweden, Poland etc

If am Odua president and Yoruba people are been killed in Benin Rep, I will do more to Benin Rep what Russia is doing to Ukraine.

baralatie:

Russia and Ukraine war was needless!
The Russia already had an upper had in Crimea and Donbass
It already had ensured that Ukraine will never have an opportunity to be in NATO because of Donbass
It has already gotten a written notice from Washington and the government of the US that Ukraine will not be NATO!
It already had a Minsk2 agreement with Ukraine brokered by Germany and France!
All it needed was a Minsk3 agreement and thereby shutting down Ukraine ever thinking of joining NATO
The war became inevitable because the corrupt political system of Ukraine(who were ready to destroy Ukraine for whatever) A Russia not been able muster economic goals nor industrial growth in eastern Europe leaves it wide open for third party manipulations in the name of aids and disguised promises!

Historically Russia has been a target of bloodshed so it is understandable that the only thing it wants is more power militarily to wade off an invasion but China also has a long history of been plundered by wars and a history of bloodshed but look at the outcome now.China is way off the scale wen it comes to the word comfort!

That is why I said the choices of these two nations are different! there paths are different!they means to solving there problems are different .whilst china is partially not on the radar of the west because of economic gains.russia finds itself in constant cold wars because of its military investments and alliances!

The only thing that Russia is able to wave is the carrot and the stick which makes it an enemy of the West .so it is always a problem of a back and forth of cold war

What manner of lies are these?
Did Ukraine agree to implement Minsk 2? Did even France and Germany try to ensure zelensky implemented it? Did poroshenko later not come out and say they simply used Minsk 2 to buy time and never had intentions of implementing it. Minsk 2 if implemented would have killed NATO aspiration hence zelensky refused to implement it because Minsk 2 gives autonomy to the Donbass.

What upper hand did they have with Donbass, has Ukraine not steadily shifted the front for the past 8 years with constant bombing? Same Donbass territories that are currently being liberated?

What lying formal notice from NATO and Washington are you talking about, the written assurances that Russia demanded before the invasion and both Washington and NATO called their bluff and said NATO has an open door policy and as such will never entertain such guarantees?

China knows how fragile they are, millions of companies are queing to take their position. Sanctions will hit china real bad!

redseason:

What manner of lies are these?
Did Ukraine agree to implement Minsk 2? Did even France and Germany try to ensure zelensky implemented it? Did poroshenko later not come out and say they simply used Minsk 2 to buy time and never had intentions of implementing it. Minsk 2 if implemented would have killed NATO aspiration hence zelensky refused to implement it because Minsk 2 gives autonomy to the Donbass.

What upper hand did they have with Donbass, has Ukraine not steadily shifted the front for the past 8 years with constant bombing? Same Donbass territories that are currently being liberated?

What lying formal notice from NATO and Washington are you talking about, the written assurances that Russia demanded before the invasion and both Washington and NATO called their bluff and said NATO has an open door policy and as such will never entertain such guarantees?

Ukraine that signed the Minsk3 agreement is a line?
President Biden that gave a press release about confirming that the USA replied the Russia govt in writing that Ukraine is not joining NATo is a lie?

Let me just shift for you first

baralatie:

Ukraine that signed the Minsk3 agreement is a line?
President Biden that gave a press release about confirming that the USA replied the Russia govt in writing that Ukraine is not joining NATo is a lie?

Let me just shift for you first

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/us-nato-send-written-response-on-russias-security-demands/a-60567276

There is nothing like Minsk3! everyone here is not daft. Above is a link to the content of the response in writing by both US and NATO stating NATO has open door policy so Russian demands that Ukraine does not join NATO is not up for discussion in any way. I also included screenshots of it.

Also, you have shots admitted by poroshenko that even the Minsk 2, they signed it to buy time and prepare for war, so it was bound to fail. I seriously don’t know where you got all the lies you wrote from!

baralatie:

Ukraine that signed the Minsk3 agreement is a line?
President Biden that gave a press release about confirming that the USA replied the Russia govt in writing that Ukraine is not joining NATo is a lie?

Let me just shift for you first

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/us-nato-send-written-response-on-russias-security-demands/a-60567276

There is nothing like Minsk3! everyone here is not daft. Above is a link to the content of the response in writing by both US and NATO stating NATO has open door policy so Russian demands that Ukraine does not join NATO is not up for discussion in any way. I also included screenshots of it.

Also, you have shots admitted by poroshenko that even the Minsk 2, they signed it to buy time and prepare for war, so it was bound to fail. I seriously don’t know where you got all the lies you wrote from!

redseason:




https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/us-nato-send-written-response-on-russias-security-demands/a-60567276

There is nothing like Minsk3! everyone here is not daft. Above is a link to the content of the response in writing by both US and NATO stating NATO has open door policy so Russian demands that Ukraine does not join NATO is not up for discussion in any way. I also included screenshots of it.

Also, you have shots admitted by poroshenko that even the Minsk 2, they signed it to buy time and prepare for war, so it was bound to fail. I seriously don’t know where you got all the lies you wrote from!

You did not get may statement!
The last agreement Russia and Ukraine had is the minsk2 agreement.before this is the minsk1 agreement!
The best oppy for both since Ukraine botched minsk2 agreement is to push for a third agreey which is Minsk3
There is no way Ukraine can outmanoeuvre Russia.Russia will always come out with a better deal.
So it was needless to be the first to start the war!
Do you get now!
The only thing is impatience as a result war (which was needless) erupted


Now concerning poroshenko comments
Anytime the corrupt politicians of Ukraine come with this line of argument (I smile because on the other corner is Russian forces)

Now imagine a country that is saying they are buying time to prepare to war against Russia.
You give that country an advice

Whichever way it is negotiation that is by far the best!
This is the scenario
Ukraine attacks first and Russia versa valid justification to wage war
Russia attacks first and the US finds an excuse to weaken Russia

Guess the game plan

At the end the Russia Ukraine will still until all war manouveurs get exhausted and who has the bigger negotiation powers will call the shots

baralatie:
People.saying Russia sees war as inevitable.are correct but see the bigger picture
Russia is running Helter skelter to ensure that China stayswih it for the economic losses it is been hit with.it has not gone into war with the US yet oo!
It has not gone into war with NATO yet oo!
But it has suffered shock that if you cut off China .Russia would launch nuclear bombs if possible!

War is expensive!it goes beyond I have weapons

Lol,,, And NATO country are growing economically right?

And how comes the rubble is yet to crash?

Mattswaggz:


Lol,,, And NATO country are growing economically right?

And how comes the rubble is yet to crash?

For the upteenth time the stronger the rouble the more venurable Russia gets!

NATo economies are not on lockdown despite the effect of inflation .The problem they face is fuel shortages which they can get down the line at a cost!
This effect now aggects global trade Wich in turn affects china ,Africa and middle east!

baralatie:
People.saying Russia sees war as inevitable.are correct but see the bigger picture
Russia is running Helter skelter to ensure that China stayswih it for the economic losses it is been hit with.it has not gone into war with the US yet oo!
It has not gone into war with NATO yet oo!
But it has suffered shock that if you cut off China .Russia would launch nuclear bombs if possible!

War is expensive!it goes beyond I have weapons

When it goes to war with those countries, those countries will feel the impact more. Russia has the advantage of being more self sufficient.

SlayQueenSlayer:


When it goes to war with those countries, those countries will feel the impact more. Russia has the advantage of being more self sufficient.

Then why does Russia need to sell oil to raise money since it is self sufficient?

ken6488:
That's why the west are afraid of Putin , Putin don't just threaten they would have even shut down the airplane carrying the USA rep

I do not agree. China's Xi is very wise and he is not ready to sacrifice China's growing economy. China and the West are very very interwoven in trade. They are each other's largest trading partners.

USA Largest trading partner.

China's largest trading partners.