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TenQ:
Why was it difficult to say HOW and WHEN the six SEALS were opened!?

Is it a difficult question to answer!?

TenQ:
Shameless IGNORANT people that cannot support their memory Verses with substance!

When you have your answer to the Simple question come back.

Until then, wallow in your ignorance and self deception!

Janosky:
HOW- The Father given Revelation to Jesus.
In turn, Jesus gives to Angel who presents it to John.( John 12:49 & Revelation1:1 & 6:1-2.)Jesus Christ was commanded to Open (SHOW) the seal
to John.

*WHEN- Revelation was written before the gospel of John.
But,Mark,Luke, Matthew gospel written before Revelation & John's gospel.
* The prophecies will fulfill "in one place after another", according to your Bible.
Therefore ,Jesus prophetic Revelation are a series of events closely linked together.
For example,In Matthew,Mark & Luke, Jesus prophecies of wars (repeated in Rev 6:4-9 ) occurred between the Jewish Zealots and Roman army which resulted in massive famine, diseases & destruction of Jerusalem in 70CE.
This is Bible prophecy Fulfillment on a small scale.


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* Other wars since 70 CE & other prophecies have taken place here & there.
However, Revelation 12:9 declared "woe for the earth" when Satan was driven out of heaven to the earth.

* The Bible's expression "Woe for the earth", According to Bible chronology points to the first Global world war of 1914 when every race & Continents fought each other with resultant catastrophic disasters of epic , monumental proportions which affected EVERY CORNER of the globe as revealed in Revelation chapter 6.
Since then, virtually EVERYTHING else have degenerated & plumet to the lowest of low.
Is it morals? See am @ 2 Timothy 3:1-7,13.
Is it insecurity? Tell us,is there anything @
2 Timothy 3:1-7,13 that guarantees security for mankind?
Is it famine? Global pandemic & Diseases? Persecution of Jehovah's servants?
Global preaching commission of Jehovah's servants?
See all in Matthew chapter 24.

The only ones yet to fulfill is Rev 6:13-17 & 2Thess1:7-9 & a few others.
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(b) What is portrayed at Revelation 6:9?
Consider, too, the evidence contained in Revelation chapter 6. ... The nations are embroiled in warfare of epic proportions (Revelation 6:4) beginning with the First World War in 1914 which involved every continent fighting each other.


Revelation 6:2, the apostle John describes a dramatic vision: “I saw, and, look! a white horse; and the one seated upon it had a bow; and a crown was given him, and he went forth conquering and to complete his conquest.” (Revelation 6:2) ... And authority was given them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with a long sword and with food shortage and with deadly plague and by the wild beasts of the earth.”​—Revelation 6:3-8; Matthew 24:3, 7, 8; Luke 21:10, 11.
TenQ was indoors for the greater part of 2020 because of the deadly global plague.
Yet ,he is on this thread throwing tantrums as if the fulfilment of Revelation 6:2 did not affect him.

TenQ:
Who is afraid if not you!?
When you close your eyes in death AND discover that you are ALIVE and CONSCIOUS!

TenQ:
Please confirm and check the highlight!

Rev 6:13-17:
"And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, even as a fig tree casts her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every slave, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Maximus feel that these too (Rev1:13-17) have been fulfilled.

Cc: MaxInDHouse:


I am happy that the stalemate seem broken and someone is willing to go beyond the third seal.

Thanks Janosky!

Janosky:
The fortresses, so to say,(mountains & rocks- wealth, power,fame, social status, retinue of armed security etc ) that the high and mighty surrounded themselves can not offer protection from the wrath of the Lamb seated on his Father's throne.
Sure !!!!

Janosky:

The only ones yet to fulfill is Rev 6:13-17 & 2Thess1:7-9 & a few others.

TenQ:
Janosky and MaxInDHouse
Will you confirm/affirm the highlight!?

Thanks

MaxInDHouse:
September 2022!

TenQ:
Khai!
Your wall of defence has broken, isn't it?

Maximus: All the six SEALS are opened
Janosky: The seals from verses 13-17 are not yet opened

Maximus: you will see on September 2022 how the unopened seals would be visibly opened and backdated to 1914!

Maximus: why is the truth far from you?

TenQ:
Who is afraid if not you!?

When you close your eyes in death AND discover that you are ALIVE and CONSCIOUS!
It dawn's upon you that the Deceiver has successfully owned you through the Deception of the JW Watchtower Organisation.

It would then make sense to you that all along, your conscience and true Christians have guided you but your PRIDE, ARROGANCE and GULLIBLITY has cost you your Soul.

You know truely that your interpretation of the six seals of Revelation Chapter 6 is FAULTY: but the Watchtower Organisation can't be wrong. They are your replacement for the Holy Spirit!

I REST MY CASE!


I hope you'll wake up and follow Christ in Spirit and in Truth rather than a man made organisation that is a wolf in sheep's clothing!


I AM SIGNING OFF on this thread!

MaxInDHouse:
The problem here is why you keep worrying yourself over what IS FAULTY!

You're not afraid of Armageddon.
You rest your case.
You're signing off.
Yet you still want more from JWs!

Why not stay with your Jesus if you're sure that JWs aren't following your Jesus?
Or is it only Jehovah's Witnesses that aren't following your Jesus?
Why the sudden interest in what you call FAULTY?

TenQ:
Why NOT Answer the simple Question!?
You're AFRAID!
And FEAR is consuming you!

Don't worry, the TRUTH always set people FREE!

I Pity your self DELUSION sir

TenQ:
I hope you'll wake up and follow Christ in Spirit and in Truth rather than a man made organisation that is a wolf in sheep's clothing!

MaxInDHouse:
All of you should beg either Janosky or Cornelboy to open another thread then we will reveal the SIXTH seal on the thread but as for the FOURTH and FIFTH you must be left in the dark as you're all arrogant and prideful.
This is what is found written in our book:

12 And I saw when he opened the sixth seal, and a great earthquake occurred; and the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair, and the entire moon became as blood,
13 and the stars of heaven fell to the earth as when a fig tree shaken by a high wind drops its unripe figs.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll that is being rolled up, and every mountain and every island was removed from its place.
15 Then the kings of the earth, the high officials, the military commanders, the rich, the strong, every slave, and every free person hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains.
16 And they keep saying to the mountains and to the rocks: “Fall over us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb,
17 because the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand!


Ṣebí you said:

So choose either your Jesus to tell to you if the seals has been broken and it's meaning or beg JWs to TEACH you how our own Jesus revealed sacred secrets!

TenQ:
keep your mouth shut

TenQ:
Empty drums make the loudest noise!
If you are not sure say so!

A part of JW organisation says ALL the seals have been broken. The other part says except some!

If ALL have being fulfilled, there is NOTHING to hide. Show it else keep your mouth shut

Janosky:
J have addressed that & you reference it.
Janosky said:

The fortresses, so to say,(mountains & rocks- wealth, power,fame, social status, retinue of armed security etc ) that the high and mighty surrounded themselves can not offer protection from the wrath of the Lamb seated on his Father's throne.
Sure !!!!

For emphasis I will add:
TenQ,have you not seen, heard and read of UNUSUAL CHANGES of the moon,sun and even climate change these days?
These OCCURRENCES are fulfillment of scripture.
Oga continue in your folly.

In Christ days on Earth, Roman Empire held sway & dominated the World.
Is it a force to recokon with today?
Definitely not!
Powerful men & women in your own country & worldwide, have fallen from lofty positions losing power, wealth and fame,as foretold in your Bible.
They are "Stars fallen from lofty heights."
TenQ,continue deceiving yourself.

Revelation 6:13-17 & 1 John 2:15-17, Jesus Christ taught John God's word continues to fulfill until it's climax- the War of the great day of God Almighty, the War of Armageddon, Revelation 16:14,16.
Everything held lofty by humans alienated from Jehovah God, will pass away to perdition.
"But he that does the Will of Jehovah God inherits everlasting life forever."
Revelation 21:5, His promises are faithful and trustworthy.

MaxInDHouse:

TenQ:
Good boy!

Janosky:
J have addressed that & you reference it.
Janosky said:

The fortresses, so to say,(mountains & rocks- wealth, power,fame, social status, retinue of armed security etc ) that the high and mighty surrounded themselves can not offer protection from the wrath of the Lamb seated on his Father's throne.
Sure !!!!

For emphasis I will add:
TenQ,have you not seen, heard and read of UNUSUAL CHANGES of the moon,sun and even climate change these days?
These OCCURRENCES are fulfillment of scripture.
Oga continue in your folly.

In Christ days on Earth, Roman Empire held sway & dominated the World.
Is it a force to recokon with today?
Definitely not!
Powerful men & women in your own country & worldwide, have fallen from lofty positions losing power, wealth and fame,as foretold in your Bible.
They are "Stars fallen from lofty heights."
TenQ,continue deceiving yourself.

Revelation 6:13-17 & 1 John 2:15-17, Jesus Christ taught John God's word continues to fulfill until it's climax- the War of the great day of God Almighty, the War of Armageddon, Revelation 16:14,16.
Everything held lofty by humans alienated from Jehovah God, will pass away to perdition.
"But he that does the Will of Jehovah God inherits everlasting life forever."
Revelation 21:5, His promises are faithful and trustworthy.

TenQ:
See how you confuse yourself!?
Hear what Jesus said:


Except that Jesus came in 1914 as attested to by the scripture below
Mat 24:23-26:
"Then if any say to you, Behold, here Christ, or there; believe ye not. For false Christs, and false prophets, shall be raised up, and give great signs and wonders; so as to deceive, if possible, also the chosen. Behold, I have told you beforehand. If therefore they should say to you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth; Behold, in the store-houses, believe ye not."


You say that some of the seals have been opened, Maximus says otherwise: which one do you want us to believe?


When and How did the text below get fulfilled?
Rev 6:15-17:
"And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every slave, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

All I aske is WHEN and HOW?

MaxInDHouse:
All of you should beg either Janosky or Cornelboy to open another thread then we will reveal the SIXTH seal on the thread but as for the FOURTH and FIFTH you must be left in the dark as you're all arrogant and prideful.
This is what is found written in our book:

12 And I saw when he opened the sixth seal, and a great earthquake occurred; and the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair, and the entire moon became as blood,
13 and the stars of heaven fell to the earth as when a fig tree shaken by a high wind drops its unripe figs.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll that is being rolled up, and every mountain and every island was removed from its place.
15 Then the kings of the earth, the high officials, the military commanders, the rich, the strong, every slave, and every free person hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains.
16 And they keep saying to the mountains and to the rocks: “Fall over us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb,
17 because the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand!


Choose either your Jesus to tell you if the seals has been broken and it's meaning or beg JWs to TEACH you how our own Jesus revealed sacred secrets!

TenQ:
See how you confuse yourself!?

Except that Jesus came in 1914 as attested to by the scripture below

TenQ is confused.
According to Bible chronology, 1914 did not mark a literal “coming” of Christ but His invisible “presence.”
Because God his Father instructed Jesus:
"Sit at my right hand (be Waiting) until I make your enemies a stool for your feet"
Psalm 110:1-2 & Hebrews 10:12-13.
The disciples knew about the matter,as a result they asked Jesus in Matthew 24:3
"Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the signs of your presence (Greek parousia)"?

TenQ:
Hear what Jesus said:

Mat 24:23-26:
"Then if any say to you, Behold, here Christ, or there; believe ye not. For false Christs, and false prophets, shall be raised up, and give great signs and wonders; so as to deceive, if possible, also the chosen. Behold, I have told you beforehand. If therefore they should say to you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth; Behold, in the store-houses, believe ye not."

TenQ:
You say that some of the seals have been opened, Maximus says otherwise: which one do you want us to believe?

TenQ:
When and How did the text below get fulfilled?
Rev 6:15-17:
"And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every slave, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

All I aske is WHEN and HOW?

Janosky:
TenQ is confused.
According to Bible chronology, 1914 did not mark a literal “coming” of Christ but His invisible “presence.”
Because God his Father instructed Jesus:
"Sit at my right hand (be Waiting) until I make your enemies a stool for your feet"
Psalm 110:1-2 & Hebrews 10:12-13.
The disciples knew about the matter,as a result they asked Jesus in Matthew 24:3
"Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the signs of your presence (Greek parousia)"?
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Oga, you dey quote Matthew 24:23-26, na your fellow 3 deities worshippers claim dey do signs and wonders,not JWs.

Revelation chapter 6, did your Bible says Jesus opened all the seals?
Yes.
You asked: HOW?
JWs replied you with Revelation 1:1 & 6:1-2.
GIVEN (SHOWN) to John.

JWs have replied you.
Please check our previous comments.
Mountains in Revelation chapter 6:15-17 references everything (MONEY,FAME, Well armed retinue of Guards ? that the high & mighty depends on as their security and fortress to hide (shield) them from the wrath of the Lamb/King sitting on his Father's throne.

Mountain and rocks in Revelation 6:15-17 are not literal mountains, just as Jesus Christ telling you your faith will move mountains, doesn't mean your faith will bring Mountain Everest to your backyard.


Let me ask you a simple question:
Abraham is highly respected in Islam, Judaism and Christianity. Did his faith move any mountain from one position to another?
Did Jesus faith change the position of an mountain?

Definitely not.

TenQ:
So, has this Scripture been FULFILLED?

MaxInDHouse:
Answer will only come on another thread by either Janosky or Cornelboy if they're willing to accept your APOLOGY otherwise whatever your Jesus say should be sufficient for you!

TenQ:
At least you've seen the folly of Janosky 's view of Rev 6:15-17

Some people are too full of themselves: apology for telling you the truth !?

The TOPIC of discussion of was:
A Question JW cannot Answer

247 posts and Eight Full PAGES and you have not answered the simple question: you require yourselves to accept a yet to be made apology.

There is NO need , we know you don't have an answer. It's just a ruse to have an excuse not to have a reason for exposure of your gross ignorance as You very well know that no apology is NEEDED to be given.

MaxInDHouse:
Good!

So keep your conclusion that JWs can't answer your question nah!

TenQ:
Pens up!
Exam over!!
Eight pages of Outside the correct Answer !
ZERO PERCENT!

MaxInDHouse:
Have it your way Sir!

MaxInDHouse:
Have it your way Sir!

TenQ:
I don't ever know a student who asks to resist a failed exam on their own terms (apology from the examiner): except such is high on something!

TenQ:
I don't ever know a student who asks to resist a failed exam on their own terms (apology from the examiner): except such is high on Hard drug!

MaxInDHouse:
You're blessed Sir!

Janosky:
May God bless him.
but no blessing for his stupidity.
God can not bless that his folly on this forum.