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TenQ:
Of course, I am not Preaching Christ to you.
It's not my objective!

You can’t preach Christ to me because even if god exist, there is still about 1 in 4000 chance that it’s your personal god.

The best is just to say “ I don’t know” and stop making many things that really do not make sense up.

TenQ:
Gen 1:1:
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

How did the Tanakh lie?

Heb 11:3:
"Through faith we understand that the universe were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."

Do you know what “big bang theory” means?

Maynman:
It’s not of your business, Chrestian. You already had “faith” that i did not do it, so good!
The examples you used said it, you are using examples of things i have no control or even knowledge about.

You accused me of lying about this.

I said:
You have not done DNA test for your children and you accused me of lying.

Meaning that if I deed I am lying you have done DNA test for your children!

Did you do DNA test for your children?

Maynman:
Parachute fails. Do you know how many people that die of parachute accident yearly?
They also had “faith” in it.

Of course.
Will you jump if you believe that your parachutes integrity is comprised?

TenQ:
You accused me of lying about this.

I said:
You have not done DNA test for your children and you accused me of lying.

Meaning that if I deed I am lying you have done DNA test for your children!

Did you do DNA test for your children?




Of course.
Will you jump if you believe that your parachutes integrity is comprised?

Are you confused?
I accused you of lying when you claimed i said faith means “ faith is mindless believing”.
How did “dna” matter enter?
Show me where I accused you of lying about DNA
Calm down Chrestian.

I did dna test for my unborn kids.
I was making an example when i talked about “DNA” the same way i made an example for restaurant, but your body too hot to read and comprehend
I Didn’t know we can ask personal questions


You mean “compromised”?
We have people that weren’t told anything and they still died of parachute accidents.
Do you know how many parachute accidents happen yearly?
Be answering my questions too or we can just keep asking…

Maynman:
Are you confused?
I’m asking a question the same way you asked me a question, remember?
It was you that brought in “ is infinite regress of cause and effect scientifically or logically possible?”

So listen to your advice, and answer my questions

Are you taking all what science said as possible and not possible to be FACT, before we go on?

And do you also know an effect can occur before a cause? Is it logically and scientifically possible?

Science is fallible and it gets modified along with time. But before that time when better/more reliable knowledge is acquired , it is held as TRUTH!

Depending on your frame of reference, effect can occur before a cause. The choice of which event is the cause and which the effect is not absolute but is relative to the observer.

Even if such effects are possible, however, they may not be capable of producing effects different from those that would have resulted from normal causal relationships


Unfortunately, the discussion is not about Retrocausality, it is about the possibility of an infinite regress of CAUSE and EFFECT occuring.

I hope you also know that it will break the law of entropy if infinite regress of cause and effect is possible!

Over to you!

TenQ:
Science is fallible and it gets modified along with time. But before that time when better/more reliable knowledge is acquired , it is held as TRUTH!

Depending on your frame of reference, effect can occur before a cause. The choice of which event is the cause and which the effect is not absolute but is relative to the observer.

Even if such effects are possible, however, they may not be capable of producing effects different from those that would have resulted from normal causal relationships


Unfortunately, the discussion is not about Retrocausality, it is about the possibility of an infinite regress of CAUSE and EFFECT occuring.

I hope you also know that it will break the law of entropy if infinite regress of cause and effect is possible!

Over to you!

It’s you that brought up that phrase. That’s not the discussion, nor the topic of this thread or what we’ve been discussing.

Please can you post the scientific evidence of what you said about effect before a cause and your claims.
Thank you.

GodsOwnMan:
Wrong. If faith in your palestinian god was necessary for life atheists would not exist.

Why do you talk crazy when you have nothing valid to say? How is it reasonable to connect faith in God with an atheists life and existence?

And this is even another Change of Post!

GodsOwnMan:
Very good. Just as scientific knowledge does not support your claim that your palestinian god created the universe.

How?
Is is not of matter, time or space.

My scientific knowledge tells me that Something/Someone Mysterious and Indescribable beyond space, time, matter and laws of physics set off the ball of the universe rolling.

Science does not Prove who or what the Uncaused First Cause is because science limits itself to AFTER the big bang.

GodsOwnMan:
Blue light is scattered more than the other colors because it travels as shorter, smaller waves is the explanation for why the sky is blue.

No need for word games. The sky is blue is an empirical fact and real. Unlike the faith that your palestinian god exist which may or may not be real.

Okay Sir!
The sky is BLUE according to you

Maynman:
Laugh at your ignorance, yahweh worshipper.
It just shows you’ve never done research about this before you ended up with “yahweh of Christians and jews” bwahahahah

Your religion thrives on ignorance

Not my words
Ps 14:1:
"A Psalm of David.
The fool has said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that does good."

Sojourner2000:
Okay.... I'm still with you bro

My not knowing what the way is and who this good owner is, is my first problem and beginning of all my problems right?

Now, enlighten me pls. What is the way and who is this good owner? So I don't have to chase a mirage (Money) all my life

?

Do what this guy who sang this song did by searching all over!

"Nobody greater" by Vashwan Mitchell.

TenQ:
Not my words
Ps 14:1:
"A Psalm of David.
The fool has said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that does good."

not my words
From common sense 14:3
The fool has said in his heart, There is Deity. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that does good.

I can also quote random books from UNKNOWN Authors.

Jennygold111:
Atheist is not a belief. Is abstinence a sex position?

Is this a good correlation?
Isn't atheism a belief??

Somebody like me don't care of what they think of me, then Why would someone like me fake � it?

Mostly all My circles KNew that i don't do religious stuff and upon it, they chooses to roll with me. So, no need of faking whatever you are in order to suite people's view of How they wished to see ya.

thesicilian:
Lol.

Bro, common . Let's play chess !
Are you on chess.com ? Drop your username so I can add you !

LeHMaR:
Your argument holds no weight, it only makes sense when we're assuming religion isn't forced upon us all and we're all just neutral.. I don't see no hindu converting to Christianity.. So definitely if you're born hindu, you're not even part of our discussion.
Mathematically, 55% of the population are already damned.. And your logic only applies to the 15% that are athiest.
That alot of people going to hell for being born into the wrong family, and don't tell me about conversions. We both know that the rates are just not showing up on the chart.
You seem smart, and believe me when i say this i don't want you to become an athiest. I just ask that you religions folks don't demonize us, it only fuels our irritation and confirm our stance.. It's not like I'm disbelieving in a law like that of motion and thermodynamics, religion is not factual and if i go to hell for not believing in something no one can prove, then so be it.. You and I don't believe in dragons and unicorns , now imagine being looked at like the anti-chtist for this? E no pure nah

You think I hate or dislike Atheists?
No I don't . That is why I don't usually speak bible to Atheists: I appeal to their REASON!

What do you truely think I should do here?
I see people going on a dangerous road to perdition!
1. Should I mind my own business after all we aren't related?
2. Should I warn them with every reason I can muster?
3. Should I tackle some of them so hard that they get a broken leg that prevents them going into their certain doom?
Except I don't believe there is LIFE after our DEATH.

How can I be comfortable knowing that people are ACTIVELY going in the way of DEATH rather than LIFE?

Do you know that the people going through this road of partition
1. May see me as an enemy who does not want their good.!
2. May have good company and companions along the way that seem to know the way to assure them of safety!

About the majority of the World being Hindus, Zoroastrians, Muslims etc This is what Jesus said:

Luk 12:48:
"But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For to whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more."



I honestly do not believe it's the same Judgement for EVERYONE. The place called hell may have their Different Partitions!

I will leave you with these words

John 3:19:
"And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."

There is a SYSTEM of this WORLD: it will get WORSE and not Better.

Love you Bro!
I appreciate your honesty!

Maynman:
I said YES, like 2/3 times now.
Can’t you comprehend this simple answer.
Why bring your religion into it bwahahahah
It’s a mere word!

A miracle is generally defined, according to the etymology of the word—it comes from the Greek thaumasion and the Latin miraculum—as that which causes wonder and astonishment, being extraordinary in itself and amazing or inexplicable by normal standards.

Magicians perform miracles?

I've been looking hard for Magicians who perform all over the internet !

TenQ:
Magicians perform miracles?

I've been looking hard for Magicians who perform all over the internet !

You should first understand what you are looking for, so as not to search aimlessly.

Leave out your religion indoctrination and learn.
“A miracle is generally defined, according to the etymology of the word—it comes from the Greek thaumasion and the Latin miraculum—as that which causes wonder and astonishment, being extraordinary in itself and amazing or inexplicable by normal standards.”

Which Doctrine are you?

Workch:
Maybe, but it’s mere beliefs without evidence

What evidence do you want from the Uncaused First Cause of Everything?

What evidence do you want from a person who existed before the big bang?

What evidence do you want from One who is beyond the laws of physics?

What evidence do you want from one whose existence is not defined by space, matter and time.?

The big bang occured 13.8billion years ago when time, space and matter were simultaneously created.

I wonder the kind of evidence that will convince a bacteria in your toilet that you exist!?

Maynman:
Exactly, faith. He doesn’t KNOW.

But then he plans, he works hard, he aspires for a FUTURE!

He should have DONE NOTHING as you advocate since he doesn't know.

Wisdom expressed!

TenQ:
But then he plans, he works hard, he aspires for a FUTURE!

He should have DONE NOTHING as you advocate since he doesn't know.

Wisdom expressed!

But he still doesn’t know.
Those owo worshippers that was killed in the church, also had plans,worked hard,aspires for a future and had “faith”. But now they are Dead!

How does not KNOWING tomorrow means I shouldn’t work? Who knows Tomorrow?
Your logic doesn’t make sense. These are what you feed yourself lol

Workch:
Atheism is not a belief, it’s a disbelief.

I don’t believe your god claims, that’s simply atheism.

The person who makes claims provides evidence and there is no evidence for god so I don’t believe it

Please clarify your definition
Is your Disbelief the same as
A Lack of Belief or or a refusal to believe?

I used to find it hard to fake it when I first became an atheist 12 years ago. It's hard to fake it in the early stages, cos you just discovered you've been lied to all your life, and you want everyone else to know the truth. But as you get older, and you figure out you can't force people to see what you see, they have to find enlightenment on their own...you also see that, like the only sober guy in a car filled with tipsy people, you're killing everyone's vibe. Ignorance is bliss. So, eventually, after maybe 5-7 years, you discover it is better to fake it. It's hard for religious people to get you, so just blend in and be happy with them. But me blending in doesn't affect my beliefs.

Workch:
You can’t preach Christ to me because even if god exist, there is still about 1 in 4000 chance that it’s your personal god.

The best is just to say “ I don’t know” and stop making many things that really do not make sense up.

Like I said:
It's not my objective to preach Christ to you!

Maynman:
Do you know what “big bang theory” means?

I don't know it. I've never even heard of it.
You tell me?

Rosrozz:
Most atheists are never bold to come out, just some online gragra but in reality they hide their heads in shame which brings me to ask why would a sane person practice what he/she isn’t proud of?

First of all, it is not a practice...not being religious doesn't mean you're practicing anything.

Also, you say they hide...you want religious fanatics to label them devil worshipers and beat them to death abi?

TenQ:
I don't know it. I've never even heard of it.
You tell me?

How then do you know universe is so and so years old?
Is it a “belief”?

Maynman:
Are you confused?
I accused you of lying when you claimed i said faith means “ faith is mindless believing”.
How did “dna” matter enter?
Show me where I accused you of lying about DNA
Calm down Chrestian.

I did dna test for my unborn kids.
I was making an example when i talked about “DNA” the same way i made an example for restaurant, but your body too hot to read and comprehend
I Didn’t know we can ask personal questions

Read again. You indeed accused me of lying as all Christians do!

If You did a DNA test, it proves you don't Have Faith in the Integrity of your spouse.

Maynman:
You mean “compromised”?
We have people that weren’t told anything and they still died of parachute accidents.
Do you know how many parachute accidents happen yearly?
Be answering my questions too or we can just keep asking…

Good!
The parachute is not the important thing, the INTEGRITY of the parachute is !

If you packed your own parachute, you will be able to trust the integrity of the Parachute. If you didn't, anything can happen.

Trust in a Person, System or thing is a function of how much knowledge, experience AND relationship you've had with him.

Have you heard of Little Faith versus great faith?

I guess you should one in a while come to Sunday school! LOL!

CandyOps:
I don't understand you, bros. It's like saying, "since you like smoking why don't you smoke openly and walk around with a lighter everywhere you go."

Perception is everything bro. How people see you and the image you project is everything. So if Nigerians see an irreligious person as 'satanic' why would I want to associate myself to that image?

Even Jay-Z said, "Niggas couldn't do nothing with me; they put the devil on me
I'd have preferred niggas to squeeze the metal on me"

Christians tend to talk down on Moslems for being radical especially when you blasphem. But they on the other hand cant stand it when someone becomes illuminated and sees religion for what it is. They'll literally bannish you amongst them.

See what they (religious people) did to Salman Rushdie because of a novel he wrote decades ago called The Satanic Verses.

I don't engage superstitious folks at all.
I don't like to be a bearer of bad news.

Because accepting a new truth has stages.

Every problem passes through three stages on the way to acceptance: First, it appears laughable; second, it is fought against; third, it is considered self-evident.


When people are told a Truth that shocks their core values the first reaction is Denial or you laugh about it.

Then you'll vehemently deny it because it means to say that everything they have ever believed in their lives was wrong

And people don't like being wrong or 'stupid'

So when you front your irreligious views and show people certain truths you'll be at the receiving end of that hatred. Which is why superstitious people dread atheists and irreligious people.


Then you have gradual acceptance because it's evident but you never had someone show it to you in a different angle before


I only engage in religious topics if I notice you have passed at least the first 2 stages of dealing with the shock of accepting the truth.

The same trend is currently happening with Peter Obis movement in Nigeria.


We first laughed at his ambitions..
Then he's being fought
Next thing is gradual acceptance because even the blind can see that our country needs a COMPLETE OVERHAUL

You ruined your beautiful write-up at the end with this political talk.

Maynman:
It’s you that brought up that phrase. That’s not the discussion, nor the topic of this thread or what we’ve been discussing.

Please can you post the scientific evidence of what you said about effect before a cause and your claims.
Thank you.

You were the one who brought up the issue of Retrocausality and I have addressed it. Therefore, you should provide evidence as I am not contesting Retrocausality!

I've spoken only about infinite regress of cause and effect to you.

Maynman:
not my words
From common sense 14:3
The fool has said in his heart, There is Deity. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that does good.

I can also quote random books from UNKNOWN Authors.

Good!

GloriousGbola:
The phrase you are looking for is militant atheist

A lot of atheists are chilled. Look at Seun for instance.

Aggression is typically reserved for fresh /new converts to any faith /belief system.

So true. I was aggressive the first few years, cos I wanted to make others see the light. But I became chill after like 5 years.