₦airaland Forum

femisplash:
You are only being rhetorical. Every one knows the peculiarities of Nigeria. We know the causes of poor Education, out of school children, insecurity etc. These causes have been at the front burner for a long period of time. It's time we provided solutions. We're done talking problems & root causes.

BluntCrazeMan:
As for Peter Obi, he knows a lot about the problems..
Agreed.!!
He knows both the root causes of the problems as well as the resultant effects.
But he is still thinking up the best lasting specific “once-and-for-all” solutions to all these problems, both the causes and the resultant effects.
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As for Atiku Abubakar, he actually has a lot of ideas of all the “trial-and-error” possible solutions that he could apply, so as to see whether the resultant effects which we are currently seeing can at least go down a bit...
He doesn't know what the real problems with Nigeria actually are, neither does he know the causes.
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Any average person who is reading this might claim that he already knows the problems with Nigeria, and that everybody knows that too...
But the truth is that, most of the ordinary Nigerians know and feel the resultant effects of the actual problems, they don't know the problems, neither do they know the root causes..
This is also where Atiku might fall in too.
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So, Choose Wisely.!!
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mrvitalis:
You can have an idea of what the problem is ...that's why he takes the car to mechanic not a painter , not a doctor , not and electrician ... someone he feels have the highest possibility of identifying then problem

Anambra was like Nigeria when obi took over ... exactly like Nigeria ...schools on strike , insecurity , unemployment and so forth ...he fixed it

Support who you think have the technical know how , the educational and professional experience , capacity to identify and treat Nigerians problem

Agboriotejoye:
I disagree. With your submission, you're just playing semantics. Politicians are corrupt. You say it's not a problem but we should go looking for what is making them corrupt. In order words, don't blame the politicians for being corrupt. Blame whatever it is that is making them corrupt. That's an ad hominem and a false narrative. Politicians being corrupt is a problem. Politicians don't present themselves to the populace as corrupt when they seek political offices. If they did, no one will vote them. So why get there and become corrupt?!!

mrvitalis:
Humans are not good , it's our nature to cut corners ....that's why we take one ways if we are allowed ...but if there is a clear consequences for your actions your way it and see it's not worth it

What's the worst that can happen if you are corrupt now ? Just still enough to defend yourself in case your are caught

You think bank workers won't like to steal banks money the way politicians steal Nigerian money ? But they can't , they can't even if they won't to

Take the most corrupt Nigerian politicians give them the same position in Norway , Iceland , Sweden even USA I can bet you they can't steal 10% of what they steal in Nigeria ,1% even ...you know why the system won't even allow that

Same personal different systems...since we are not God to determine good people from looking at them best bet is design a system that won't allow corruption ...so a faulty system is the problem not corruption

Agboriotejoye:
What brought about the faulty system? What is the fault in the system? It is still corruption

mrvitalis:
That is a lie understanding a problem is 70% the solution what most people know are symptoms of the problem not the problem


Nigerians are poor is not a problem but symptoms of a problem ... understanding why Nigerians are poor is actually the problem

Nigerian politicians are corrupt is not a problem but symptoms the problem is what makes it possible to be corrupt and why people are allowed to be

Insecurity like obi said is not really a problem but a symptom of and underlying problem

Understanding a problem is key once it's done any idiot can't solve the problem

Agboriotejoye:
The root causes of corruption in Nigeria is nepotism and lack of adherence to the rule of law
People steal because they get in a position they don't merit and thus the next thing is to start thinking of what to benefit from the position
When they steal enough, they become big men who are too big for the arm of the law to reach
In my own experience, it is easier to find the problem than to get a true working solution.
For example, when Obi says Nigeria earned 1.3 trillion and spent 4 trillion, even a primary 3 pupil can see a problem in that of a shortfall of 2.7trillion.
The question is, what is the solution?

OldNairalander:
You are only giving textbook definition bro.
When you handle a key post in government, you'll know that corruption is bigger than nepotism and non adherence to whatever rule of law.
Let me give you an example of the power sector that I know fully well.
Are you aware that we have all the resources it takes to produce more megawatts than Egypt?
Do you know that something led to the frustration of Buhari's effort at landing a deal with Siemens?
Do you know why Bath Nnaji resigned from GEJ's cabinet?
Have you ever heard of the phrase "corruption fighting back?
To give you a little glimpse, Buhari as President is not the most powerful man in this country.
If you enter government office and see the the real corruption, you'll leave the fight and jejely do your 8 years and resign peacefully.
Unless you're in for the dirty fight.

mrvitalis:
Humans are not good , it's our nature to cut corners ....that's why we take one ways if we are allowed ...but if there is a clear consequences for your actions your way it and see it's not worth it

What's the worst that can happen if you are corrupt now ? Just still enough to defend yourself in case your are caught

You think bank workers won't like to steal banks money the way politicians steal Nigerian money ? But they can't , they can't even if they won't to

Take the most corrupt Nigerian politicians give them the same position in Norway , Iceland , Sweden even USA I can bet you they can't steal 10% of what they steal in Nigeria ,1% even ...you know why the system won't even allow that

Same personal different systems...since we are not God to determine good people from looking at them best bet is design a system that won't allow corruption ...so a faulty system is the problem not corruption

mrvitalis:
You can't say that ...but that's a possibility but to fix corruption you must understand that you need to fix the faulty system not hope or pressure people to become good people

SmartPolician:
Imagine how boring you will sound when you join an association for the first time and start telling them what to do to make the association better. Meanwhile, these solutions are things they already do or know. Sometimes, I feel like slapping such people. So, for me, you need to really understand the root causes of problems and their effects before drawing action plans that will help you tackle them.


Common sense should tell you that anyone that gives solution to a problem, have already analyzed the problem and spot all the causes before profering solutions.
But identifying problem without telling the way out is not normal. Because everyone knows there is problem already..... We need solutions to our enormous challenge

As for the conference, I think that some politicians may not want to share their solutions so that their opponents don't use it against them or implement them despite not winning the election. We know how Buhari criticized Atiku when he mentioned selling NNPC and how he did the same when Jonathan removed PMS subsidy. Politics is complicated and evil.

A friend once told me about selling an idea to Etisalat. After submitting the proposal, he was told to go that the organisation would look into it. Weeks later, he received a regret email from them. Afterwards, the company started implementing the same idea he sold to them. Dude was terribly devastated.

Agboriotejoye:
You are still dancing round the answer. You don't hope or pressure people to not become corrupt. You create deterrents and ensure it cuts across all boards.
The system did not get faulty by itself. Neither can the system fix itself. It still requires people to fix it. If you can't remove corruption from the system, it remains faulty.
To fix the faulty system, you have to fight corruption

Agboriotejoye:
The root causes of corruption in Nigeria is nepotism and lack of adherence to the rule of law
People steal because they get in a position they don't merit and thus the next thing is to start thinking of what to benefit from the position
When they steal enough, they become big men who are too big for the arm of the law to reach
In my own experience, it is easier to find the problem than to get a true working solution.
For example, when Obi says Nigeria earned 1.3 trillion and spent 4 trillion, even a primary 3 pupil can see a problem in that of a shortfall of 2.7trillion.
The question is, what is the solution?

mrvitalis:
Yes I agree but you don't fight corruption by fighting corrupt people alone ...as you fight the symptoms fight the root cause the system that allowed corruption in the first place

BluntCrazeMan:
About it being easy to find a problem than Solution,, have you ever gone to see a doctor?
Why do doctors waste time in asking questions about all the possible symptoms, and even ask you questions that you think are not related to the problem,, and even ask you to do tests upon after you might have reported all the symptoms??
And the Solution seems very easy and effective...
Have you imagined what happens when you took the wrong strong medicine for another strong ailment, just because the symptoms are similar to another strong ailment??
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About Nepotism, and adherence to the Rule of Law, and getting into positions not merited,, I guess you know that something causes all those...
Yess.
Lack of patriotism causes all those, and more.
And Something causes lack of patriotism in people.,,
And that is,, “Low moral values”.
And how can that be fixed.??
(When campaign starts, we deal with that)
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About the 2.7trillion shortfall stuffs,, that one na symptoms naa,, And not the problem

Agboriotejoye:
What exactly do you mean by "low moral values"? Is that not definition of corruption? You see, you're just going round in circles. Nepotism is corruption.
None adherence to rule of law is corruption
Low moral values is corruption.
Whatever solutions you're seeking to apply is a solution to battle corruption.

Your analogy of the doctor leaves out the fact that the doctor already has the solutions. If he did not, knowing the problem will not solve it.
For example AIDS has been known till 1980s. Yet, doctors don't have a cure.
On the other hand, malaria drugs have been available since 19th century. Yet the doctor asks you to take a malaria test.
What I'm pointing out is that the solution for malaria is already known, so the doctor asks for a test to know what the problem is. The time he spends to know the problem does not mean the solution is easily found.
Covid was identified as a problem in a matter of months. Yet the solution is still not clear till today.

BluntCrazeMan:
You're now coming to the point.
Peter Obi has the Solution.
But he is letting us know that what we think are the problems, are not really the actual problems.
And that he knows what the problems are, being that he had passionately looked into the situation.
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A doctor knows the solutions,, but he must diagnose properly, in order not to give the wrong medications.
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Trust Peter...
Whenever you listen to him,, he gives solutions.
He doesn't give the full details, so that his ideas won't be stolen.
But he gives the overview of the direction in which his solutions are going to follow.
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Like Security, he said that the current security system needs an overhaul. (Not even state police.. but a total overhauling.. But he cannot do that without overhauling the Constitution.. then, he said that when we get to that river, we know how to cross the river, but anything that is necessary to get the system working, which might mean an overhaul of the current system which allows for serious Corruption, then he would do that).

Agboriotejoye:
Now you're claiming what Obi never claimed. Obi has not come out to say he has the solution.
For example, today, he said Nigeria got 1.9 trillion income between January and April and had over 4 trillion expenditure. He never gave a solution for that.
For security, it is obvious our security system needs overhaul. That is not a solution itself. That's rather a problem because as you pointed out, overhauling our security architecture demands an amendment of our constitution.
If Obi wins, he stands the risk of becoming the first democratically elected president to have a legislature that's not led by his party. How then does he intend to overhaul the Constitution and by extension the security architecture?
So you can see that he hasn't provided a solution, neither can waiting to get to the bridge be a solution. Buhari has taught us to not just follow leaders blindly, but those who have roadmap to work with.

BluntCrazeMan:
How many of Peter Obi’s interviews have you listened to??
Go and find the recent NEWS-CENTRAL interview and listen to it.
As for roadmaps...
We still have five full months to decide who has the best of roadmaps.

femisplash:
Maybe they've been living under a cave. Imagine adults with grown balls being ignorant of the problems bedeviling the country, unless these folks are little kids.

BluntCrazeMan:
As for Peter Obi, he knows a lot about the problems..
Agreed.!!
He knows both the root causes of the problems as well as the resultant effects.
But he is still thinking up the best lasting specific “once-and-for-all” solutions to all these problems, both the causes and the resultant effects.
..
..
As for Atiku Abubakar, he actually has a lot of ideas of all the “trial-and-error” possible solutions that he could apply, so as to see whether the resultant effects which we are currently seeing can at least go down a bit...
He doesn't know what the real problems with Nigeria actually are, neither does he know the causes.
..
Any average person who is reading this might claim that he already knows the problems with Nigeria, and that everybody knows that too...
But the truth is that, most of the ordinary Nigerians know and feel the resultant effects of the actual problems, they don't know the problems, neither do they know the root causes..
This is also where Atiku might fall in too.
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So, Choose Wisely.!!
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Prince111111:
Knowing the problems does not really translate to knowing the solutions. A lot of people know their problems but do not know the solutions to them. Okay?

mrvitalis:
That is a lie understanding a problem is 70% the solution what most people know are symptoms of the problem not the problem


Nigerians are poor is not a problem but symptoms of a problem ... understanding why Nigerians are poor is actually the problem

Nigerian politicians are corrupt is not a problem but symptoms the problem is what makes it possible to be corrupt and why people are allowed to be

Insecurity like obi said is not really a problem but a symptom of and underlying problem

Understanding a problem is key once it's done any idiot can't solve the problem

mrvitalis:
That is a lie understanding a problem is 70% the solution what most people know are symptoms of the problem not the problem


Nigerians are poor is not a problem but symptoms of a problem ... understanding why Nigerians are poor is actually the problem

Nigerian politicians are corrupt is not a problem but symptoms the problem is what makes it possible to be corrupt and why people are allowed to be

Insecurity like obi said is not really a problem but a symptom of and underlying problem

Understanding a problem is key once it's done any idiot can't solve the problem

femisplash:
Cover your face in shame.