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SopaterOfBeroea:
I dey learn from you na

Checked your profile now and found out that you've been here for more than a week and instead of picking interest in issues having to do with God your first love is Sexuality. Mark 12:29-30

So if you have any question pertaining to what we are discussing just ask because i am only attending to those who have interest in the things of God not ridiculers who only come here to promote their DESIRES! 2Peter 3:3

MaxInDHouse:
Apostates often catch them due to their being half-baked in knowledge!

Jesus openly declared that he only came for Israelites {Matthew 24:15} Zechariah said people from other nations will hold onto the skirt of Jews {Zechariah 8:23} and Jesus chose 12 Apostles all Jews and Apostles Paul also a Jew as and Apostle for the nations! Act 9:15

When John saw the lamb on mouth Zion it was with the 144,000 only {Revelations 14:1} others were later noticed just as Jesus said:

“And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those too I must bring in, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd" John 10:16

The kingdom will be given to a little flock {Luke 12:32} this are his spiritual brothers that all others must attach to if they want salvation {Matthew 25:34-40} all those who failed to acknowledge them Jesus will reject because they are Jesus' brothers! Matthew 25:41-46
Apostle Paul declared to faithful Christians in the first century that the strange sickness that's leading to untimely death in their midst was due to eating and drinking the emblem Jesus only initiated for only his spiritual brothers! 1Corinthians 11:27:30 compare to Matthew 22:11-13

WHY? Because many are invited for everlasting life but only few are chosen to become co-rulers with Christ in heaven! Matthew 22:14

*Jesus choosing of the 12Apostles & Saint Paul being an apostle to the gentiles is a well known fact and has nothing to do with the matter at hand.
*The 144,000 stand before the throne and the lamb, the great multitude also stand before the throne, and serve in God's temple (naos) or sanctuary day and night.(Discussing this in detail much later)
* John 10:16
"And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must BRING THEM ALSO, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be ONE FLOCK (they're no longer separate), ONE SHEPERD(under one shepherd-Christ)"
Who was Jesus talking about? Jesus disciples we're only made up of Jews only and Christ promise that he must add another flock to the sheepfold. Evidently the Gentiles who later joined them in worship under the headship of Christ.
Using cross-references we arrive at what Paul said at Ephesians 2:12-16:

Ephesians:2.12
remember that at that time you were SEPARATE from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and FOREIGNERS to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world.

Ephesians:2.13
But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.

Ephesians:2.14
For he himself is our peace, who has made the TWO ONE and has destroyed the BARRIER, the dividing wall of hostility,

Ephesians:2.15
by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself ONE new man out of the TWO, thus making peace,

Ephesians:2.16
and in this one body to reconcile BOTH OF THEM to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility.
Paul here is using a different analogy but still talking about HOW the TWO become ONE.
That Christ through his dead abolished the law(which separated the Jews from the Gentiles) Christ atonement broke that barrier and made the two separate parties to become one.
*Luke:12.32
"Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom."
#Jesus was and is eminently the Good Shepherd. His flock was small. Few really followed him, compared with the multitude who professed to love him. But, though small in number, they were not to fear. God was their Friend. He would provide for them.
It was his purpose to give them the kingdom, and they had nothing to fear.
(Jesus was specifically speaking to his twelve apostles who have their names written on the 12gates of the resplendent city "New Jerusalem"

*Matthew:25.40
"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these BROTHERS of mine, you did for me.'

#As adopted sons of God Christians automatically are "Christ brothers".
It includes those who are afflicted, poor, and persecuted, who are his brothers and companions in suffering, and who suffer as he did on earth. See Heb 2:11; Mt 12:50. How great is the condescension and kindness of the Judge of the world, thus to reward our actions, and to consider what we have done to the poor as done to him!

*Acts:4.12
Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved." (No other name apart from the name of Jesus)
Our salvation comes from no one else but Jesus. As for the least of Jesus brothers (members of the Christian Congregation) Christ will reward us if we treat this one's fairly.
Our salvation does not depend on any human, for we are saved through faith in Christ.

#THE GOODNEWS ACCORDING TO MAXIMUS A SLAVE OF WATCHTOWER AND A SHARER IN YOUR JINGOISM: """Apostle Paul declared to faithful Christians in the first century that the strange sickness that's leading to untimely death in their midst was due to eating and drinking the emblem Jesus only initiated for only his spiritual brothers!"""
#OUTRIGHT FALSEHOOD, EISESGESIS, DID YOU EVEN READ THE TEXT AT ALL?
What was the situation in Corinth? What really happened?
I'll be brief on this:
1 Corinthians:11.27
Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an UNWORTHY MANNER will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord.

1 Corinthians:11.30
That is why many among you are WEAK and SICK, and a number of you have FALLEN ASLEEP.

#The main reason why the Corinthians were sick and some falling asleep (either in actual or more evidently spiritual death)[according to the context](NWT footnote reads "Spiritual death"
was partaking of the Lord's Evening meal in an UNWORTHY MANNER
The term unworthily, can mean unworthy or improper MANNER; in a manner unsuitable to the purposes for which it was designed or instituted;
and may include the following things,
(1.) Such an irregular and indecent observance as existed in the congregation of Corinth, where even gluttony and intemperance prevailed under the professed design of celebrating the Supper.
(2.) An observance of the ordinance where there was no distinction between it and common meals, where they did not regard it as designed to show forth the death of the Lord Jesus.
The observance of the Lord's Evening Meal should be well arrange and carried out in a dignified manner, if a Christian refuses to partake of the emblems how will he fulfill this command at 1 Corinthians:11.26:
"For whenever you EAT this bread and DRINK this cup, you PROCLAIM the LORD'S DEATH until he COMES".


THE BIBLE WARNS AT Galatians:1.8
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!

Galatians:1.9
As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!
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MaxInDHouse:
Checked your profile now and found out that you've been here for more than a week and instead of picking interest in issues having to do with God your first love is Sexuality. Mark 12:29-30

So if you have any question pertaining to what we are discussing just ask because i am only attending to those who have interest in the things of God not ridiculers who only come here to promote their DESIRES! 2Peter 3:3

I was only laughing about Lil Nas X being confused of his gender.
But whatever you want to make of that is up to you.

SopaterOfBeroea:
I was only laughing about Lil Nas X being confused of his gender.
But whatever you want to make of that is up to you.

I only noticed that on a public forum like this where there are lots sections your first post is found in the SEXUALITY section only to come arguing when someone else is talking about FAITH on the RELIGION section!
Well it's just an observation!

OgaNightmare:
You still have much to learn though

What's your religion na?

OgaNightmare:
*Jesus choosing of the 12Apostles & Saint Paul being an apostle to the gentiles is a well known fact and has nothing to do with the matter at hand.
*The 144,000 stand before the throne and the lamb, the great multitude also stand before the throne, and serve in God's temple (naos) or sanctuary day and night.(Discussing this in detail much later)
* John 10:16
"And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must BRING THEM ALSO, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be ONE FLOCK (they're no longer separate), ONE SHEPERD(under one shepherd-Christ)"
Who was Jesus talking about? Jesus disciples we're only made up of Jews only and Christ promise that he must add another flock to the sheepfold. Evidently the Gentiles who later joined them in worship under the headship of Christ.
Using cross-references we arrive at what Paul said at Ephesians 2:12-16:

Ephesians:2.12
remember that at that time you were SEPARATE from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and FOREIGNERS to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world.

Ephesians:2.13
But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.

Ephesians:2.14
For he himself is our peace, who has made the TWO ONE and has destroyed the BARRIER, the dividing wall of hostility,

Ephesians:2.15
by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself ONE new man out of the TWO, thus making peace,

Ephesians:2.16
and in this one body to reconcile BOTH OF THEM to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility.
Paul here is using a different analogy but still talking about HOW the TWO become ONE.
That Christ through his dead abolished the law(which separated the Jews from the Gentiles) Christ atonement broke that barrier and made the two separate parties to become one.
*Luke:12.32
"Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom."
#Jesus was and is eminently the Good Shepherd. His flock was small. Few really followed him, compared with the multitude who professed to love him. But, though small in number, they were not to fear. God was their Friend. He would provide for them.
It was his purpose to give them the kingdom, and they had nothing to fear.
(Jesus was specifically speaking to his twelve apostles who have their names written on the 12gates of the resplendent city "New Jerusalem"

*Matthew:25.40
"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these BROTHERS of mine, you did for me.'

#As adopted sons of God Christians automatically are "Christ brothers".
It includes those who are afflicted, poor, and persecuted, who are his brothers and companions in suffering, and who suffer as he did on earth. See Heb 2:11; Mt 12:50. How great is the condescension and kindness of the Judge of the world, thus to reward our actions, and to consider what we have done to the poor as done to him!

*Acts:4.12
Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved." (No other name apart from the name of Jesus)
Our salvation comes from no one else but Jesus. As for the least of Jesus brothers (members of the Christian Congregation) Christ will reward us if we treat this one's fairly.
Our salvation does not depend on any human, for we are saved through faith in Christ.

#THE GOODNEWS ACCORDING TO MAXIMUS A SLAVE OF WATCHTOWER AND A SHARER IN YOUR JINGOISM: """Apostle Paul declared to faithful Christians in the first century that the strange sickness that's leading to untimely death in their midst was due to eating and drinking the emblem Jesus only initiated for only his spiritual brothers!"""
#OUTRIGHT FALSEHOOD, EISESGESIS, DID YOU EVEN READ THE TEXT AT ALL?
What was the situation in Corinth? What really happened?
I'll be brief on this:
1 Corinthians:11.27
Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an UNWORTHY MANNER will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord.

1 Corinthians:11.30
That is why many among you are WEAK and SICK, and a number of you have FALLEN ASLEEP.

#The main reason why the Corinthians were sick and some falling asleep (either in actual or more evidently spiritual death)[according to the context](NWT footnote reads "Spiritual death"
was partaking of the Lord's Evening meal in an UNWORTHY MANNER
The term unworthily, can mean unworthy or improper MANNER; in a manner unsuitable to the purposes for which it was designed or instituted;
and may include the following things,
(1.) Such an irregular and indecent observance as existed in the congregation of Corinth, where even gluttony and intemperance prevailed under the professed design of celebrating the Supper.
(2.) An observance of the ordinance where there was no distinction between it and common meals, where they did not regard it as designed to show forth the death of the Lord Jesus.
The observance of the Lord's Evening Meal should be well arrange and carried out in a dignified manner, if a Christian refuses to partake of the emblems how will he fulfill this command at 1 Corinthians:11.26:
"For whenever you EAT this bread and DRINK this cup, you PROCLAIM the LORD'S DEATH until he COMES".


THE BIBLE WARNS AT Galatians:1.8
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!

Galatians:1.9
As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!
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Thank you for this comprehensive explanation of the scriptures about Salvation, Jews, Gentiles and the Lord's evening meal. You did your homework well. This is how to read and understand the Bible. Can you see that the explanation you gave is very easy to understand, moreso when you read these verses in as many translations as possible? Not that twisted JW NWT Bible? Watchtower says eating and drinking the emblems is doing so Unworthily as in you're not worthy. Very twisted interpretation. Paul mentioned Unworthily or consuming them in an unworthy manner without them remembering the essence of what the emblems stand for. The emblems are not avenues to overeat and overdrink. They represent the Blood and body of Christ so they must be treated with respect for Christ. When you read those verses in context, Paul went on to explain what he meant by consuming them Unworthily. He was actually saying they were eating and drinking heavily without considering others who eventually see nothing to eat and drink. Gluttony. Greed. Since health care had not developed to the stage we are in now at the time of Paul, overeating could cause problems for people and make them sick and die when there are no drugs to treat them. He even said they should wait for one another so that others can see Bread and wine to eat and drink and if anyone is hungry, he or she should eat at home first before coming. Watchtower never reads these parts where Paul was explaining what he meant. They just read a few verses, twist and scatter everything and form a doctrine on that because they have an agenda. Intelligent people read the Bible in context to understand the Bible not isolated verses like Watchtower does. Watchtower's interpretation of those verses to prevent JWs from being adopted sons of God and consuming the emblems is nothing but inspiration from Demons since Satanists don't eat and drink the emblems signifying rejection of Jesus's Sacrifice. Jesus already said if you want everlasting life, if you want to be resurrected, you must eat and drink the emblems else you get nothing. He said Anyone. Not Anointed. Not Great Crowd. Anyone.

cornelboy:
What's your religion na?

John:4.23
Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.

Courz:
Thank you for this comprehensive explanation of the scriptures about Salvation, Jews, Gentiles and the Lord's evening meal. You did your homework well. This is how to read and understand the Bible. Can you see that the explanation you gave is very easy to understand, moreso when you read these verses in as many translations as possible? Not that twisted JW NWT Bible? Watchtower says eating and drinking the emblems is doing so Unworthily as in you're not worthy. Very twisted interpretation. Paul mentioned Unworthily or consuming them in an unworthy manner without them remembering the essence of what the emblems stand for. The emblems are not avenues to overeat and overdrink. They represent the Blood and body of Christ so they must be treated with respect for Christ. When you read those verses in context, Paul went on to explain what he meant by consuming them Unworthily. He was actually saying they were eating and drinking heavily without considering others who eventually see nothing to eat and drink. Gluttony. Greed. Since health care had not developed to the stage we are in now at the time of Paul, overeating could cause problems for people and make them sick and die when there are no drugs to treat them. He even said they should wait for one another so that others can see Bread and wine to eat and drink and if anyone is hungry, he or she should eat at home first before coming. Watchtower never reads these parts where Paul was explaining what he meant. They just read a few verses, twist and scatter everything and form a doctrine on that because they have an agenda. Intelligent people read the Bible in context to understand the Bible not isolated verses like Watchtower does. Watchtower's interpretation of those verses to prevent JWs from being adopted sons of God and consuming the emblems is nothing but inspiration from Demons since Satanists don't eat and drink the emblems signifying rejection of Jesus's Sacrifice. Jesus already said if you want everlasting life, if you want to be resurrected, you must eat and drink the emblems else you get nothing. He said Anyone. Not Anointed. Not Great Crowd. Anyone.

Thanks for the additional material

cornelboy:
What's your religion na?

The one and only religion where worshipers can boldly and confidently speak of as their own is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES {Isaiah 54:17} all others are on the broad road {Matthew 7:13-14} so worshipers there will always hide in the midst of the faithless crowds {Exodus 23:2} claiming they're believers yet when atheists are speaking against God's word:

Templee333:
do u believe the HOLY KORAN as God's word? ur answer to my question is also my answer to ur question.

Templee333:
if i choose to be an atheist does it concern u? If it pains u stop paying my school fees & cut off my feeding & outfits allowances.

These workers of iniquity will be on the mute button only to speak when a Christian is talking about mount Zion! Isaiah 2:2 compare to Matthew 5:14-16

I can see that there is already a full blown war on this thread. But I commend Templee333 for not engaging in meaningless fights.
He came here to tell his story.
Templee333 has been consistent. He shares his stories about all spiritual organizations that he was a part of.
He is not here to fight or discredit anyone. He just wants to tell his story.
You may not agree with what he says but clearly, he has been consistent and respectful.

MaxInDHouse:
The one and only religion where worshipers can boldly and confidently speak of as their own is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES {Isaiah 54:17} all others are on the broad road {Matthew 7:13-14} so worshipers there will always hide in the midst of the faithless crowds {Exodus 23:2} claiming they're believers yet when atheists are speaking against God's word:


These workers of iniquity will be on the mute button only to speak when a Christian is talking about mount Zion! Isaiah 2:2 compare to Matthew 5:14-16

When the words or sayings of Jesus in John 4:23,24 is not enough for everlasting life they go after men who says that same Jesus say they cannot produce perfect spiritual food for such spiritual leads to destruction. after all your Jesus said

Work, not for the food that perishes(the one provided by those you call your religious leaders that they say is imperfect and filled with spiritual poisons), but for the food that remains for everlasting life, which the Son of man will give you; for on this one the Father, God himself, has put his seal of approval.”


He will rather listen to those men than that of Jesus.

Your Jesus says in John 18:37 So Pilate said to him: “Well, then, are you a king?” Jesus answered: “You yourself are saying that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is on the side of the truth listens to my voice.”

Who is the truth?

Your Jesus continues.....
Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Who stays on the side of TRUTH?

Those who listens to the voice of Jesus. Let's hear the voice of your Jesus once again

But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me(Jesus) in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.

You MaxInDHouse will go about condemning and calling people who bears witness about Jesus Christ(the truth) workers of iniquities and lawlessness based on the imperfect spiritual food you learn from your TASKMASTERS

What set men free from bondage and traditions of men like your religious leaders who says people needs a visible religious organisation or imperfect spiritual food for salvation?

Your Jesus had more you to say

John 8:32

Then Jesus went on to say to the Jews who had believed him: “If you remain in my word, you are really my disciples, 32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

They will know Jesus and Jesus will set them free. Oh your Jesus didn't stop there.

So if the Son sets you free, you will be truly free.

You MaxInDHouse agitates and complain all over nairaland that other Christians wants to do whatever they like without no one controlling them or being a member of a religious denominations or organisation(freedom). These Christian you talked about knows what freedom means. Your Jesus Christ dey give that FREEDOM to those who values it not those who trade it with Jesus don't say our religious leaders will provide perfect spiritual food(traditions of men).

Go and read John 4 again this time slowly read. Here is your Jesus speaking again....

You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation begins with the Jews.

Salvation begins with the Jews yet Jesus never said to the woman you should become a JEW or JOIN the religious organization in Jerusalem to gain SALVATION or WORSHIP God.

Let this concluding part sink.

Let's assume for assumption sake Salvation begins with the religious organization of yours you always state existed from time of ABEL and go about to propagate as the only religious organization doing God's will. Your Jesus the head of that religious organization says you don't need to be a Jehovah’s witness or called one or join or go to kingdom halls to worship or gain salvation

OgaNightmare:
John:4.23
Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.

Spot on. I can't count how many times I have quoted this scripture to JWs. Unfortunately, what you said will fly over their heads because what the Samaritan woman said in John 4 vs 20 is exactly what JWs do and Jesus corrected her in verse 21. The Jews and the Samaritans have different religious beliefs and each believe they are better/superior to the other. JWs don't understand that verse. Watchtower gave JWs a different interpretation. When you read many translations, you will understand exactly what Jesus was saying. Jesus explained why the Jews believe in what they believe in BUT a time is coming, in fact that time is already now, that where you worship will no longer matter because true worshippers will worship God in Spirit and in truth. Place of worship no longer matters. God is no longer placing importance on physical buildings/denominations as long as people worship him in Spirit and in truth and these are the people he is looking for. He is not looking for people who place importance on denominations/place of worship and this is where JWs/Watchtower have failed. They are doing the opposite of what Jesus is saying. God is looking for people who worship him in the spiritual sense not in the physical sense that involves attachment to physical buildings. This is very easy to understand when you are spiritually awake but JWs don't understand it as they don't read the Bible in context to understand it.

Courz:
Spot on. I can't count how many times I have quoted this scripture to JWs. Unfortunately, what you said will fly over their heads because what the Samaritan woman said in John 4 vs 20 is exactly what JWs do and Jesus corrected her in verse 21. JWs don't understand that verse. Watchtower gave JWs a different interpretation. When you read many translations, you will understand exactly what Jesus was saying. Jesus says a time is coming, in fact that time is already now, that where you worship will no longer matter because true worshippers will worship God in Spirit and in truth. Place of worship no longer matters. God is no longer placing importance on physical buildings/denominations as long as people worship him in Spirit and in truth and these are the people he is looking for. He is not looking for people who place importance on denominations/place of worship and this is where JWs/Watchtower have failed. They are doing the opposite of what Jesus is saying. This is very easy to understand but JWs don't understand it as they don't read the Bible in context to understand it.

Dem no dey practice or follow wetin dem dey teach. Extract from one of their publications........


The mountain that the woman referred to was Mount Gerizim, located about 30 miles (50 km) north of Jerusalem. There the Samaritans once had a temple where they celebrated festivals such as the Passover. However, instead of focusing on this controversial difference between them, Jesus said to the woman: “Believe me, woman, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father.” (John 4:21) What an astounding comment, especially coming from a Jew! Why would the worship at God’s temple in Jerusalem cease?


The Jewish temple was a tangible structure at a specific geographic location. But spirit and truth are not material, nor are they limited to any physical place. Thus, Jesus was explaining that true Christian worship would not be centered in or dependent on any material structure or physical location, whether Mount Gerizim, the temple in Jerusalem, or any other sacred place.

When Jesus mentioned worshipping with spirit, he was not speaking of a particularly spirited, animated, or enthusiastic form of worship. Rather, he was talking about being guided by God’s holy spirit, which among other things guides our understanding of the Scriptures. (1 Corinthians 2:9-12) And the truth Jesus referred to is an accurate knowledge of Bible teachings. Therefore, rather than being rendered at any special place, our worship will be acceptable to God if it conforms to what the Bible teaches and is guided by the holy spirit.


See their article Should Christians Worship at Shrines?

Yet they released a letter of recent to all their congregations complaining that some have decided to continue and remain on ZOOM meetings at home instead of going to the kingdom halls stating they are not doing more to worship Jehovah in person at and inside the kingdom halls.




Kingdom halls na special and sacred place of worship for them that's why they dedicate it to Jehovah despite stating in the article metioned above that God don't need such places. If indeed kingdom halls are not sacred, dedicated or special places for worship. Let them open them up for other public events or gatherings or use it as polling booths for elections

achorladey:
Dem no dey practice or follow wetin dem dey teach. Extract from one of their publications........


The mountain that the woman referred to was Mount Gerizim, located about 30 miles (50 km) north of Jerusalem. There the Samaritans once had a temple where they celebrated festivals such as the Passover. However, instead of focusing on this controversial difference between them, Jesus said to the woman: “Believe me, woman, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father.” (John 4:21) What an astounding comment, especially coming from a Jew! Why would the worship at God’s temple in Jerusalem cease?


The Jewish temple was a tangible structure at a specific geographic location. But spirit and truth are not material, nor are they limited to any physical place. Thus, Jesus was explaining that true Christian worship would not be centered in or dependent on any material structure or physical location, whether Mount Gerizim, the temple in Jerusalem, or any other sacred place.

When Jesus mentioned worshipping with spirit, he was not speaking of a particularly spirited, animated, or enthusiastic form of worship. Rather, he was talking about being guided by God’s holy spirit, which among other things guides our understanding of the Scriptures. (1 Corinthians 2:9-12) And the truth Jesus referred to is an accurate knowledge of Bible teachings. Therefore, rather than being rendered at any special place, our worship will be acceptable to God if it conforms to what the Bible teaches and is guided by the holy spirit.


See their article Should Christians Worship at Shrines?

Yet they released a letter of recent to all their congregation complaining that some have decided to continue and remain on ZOOM meetings at home instead of going to the kingdom halls stating they are not doing more to worship Jehovah in person at and inside the kingdom halls.




Kingdom halls na special and sacred place of worship for them that's why they dedicate it to Jehovah despite stating in the article metioned above that God don't need such places. If indeed kingdom halls are not sacred, dedicated or special places for worship. Let them open them up for other public events or gatherings or use it as polling booths for elections

So, Watchtower admitted that what Jesus meant was no attachment to places of worship/physical buildings /denominations and yet they still turned around and taught JWs something opposite to what Jesus said to the Samaritan woman. These people know what they are doing.

Now, they are begging JWs to come to the Kingdom hall instead of using Zoom because the donations they have been getting has reduced and they are no longer able to control JWs fully. Using Zoom will reduce the donations and reduce their level of influence on JWs. In western countries as we speak, in most congregations have half of JWs on Zoom and there are reports of many JWs saying they will not go for Door to door Preaching since there is letter writing and Zoom. But what is worrying Watchtower now is that the Pandemic has resulted to many JWs leaving the Cult, donations are down and JWs don't want to go to the Kingdom Halls. Even after reading their letters of begging, JWs still stick to Zoom. It is very interesting to see these developments. If Watchtower comes for these JWs, they should use this same scripture from Jesus to the Samaritan to counter them. Jesus said no attachments/importance to place of worship lets see how Watchtower will react to that one.

Courz:
So, Watchtower admitted that what Jesus meant was no attachment to places of worship/physical buildings /denominations and yet they still turned around and taught JWs something opposite to what Jesus said to the Samaritan woman. These people know what they are doing.

Now, they are begging JWs to come to the Kingdom hall instead of using Zoom because the donations they have been getting has reduced and they are no longer able to control JWs fully. Using Zoom will reduce the donations and reduce their level of influence on JWs. In western countries as we speak, in most congregations have half of JWs on Zoom and there are reports of many JWs saying they will not go for Door to door Preaching since there is letter writing and Zoom. But what is worrying Watchtower now is that the Pandemic has resulted to many JWs leaving the Cult, donations are down and JWs don't want to go to the Kingdom Halls. Even after reading their letters of begging, JWs still stick to Zoom. It is very interesting to see these developments. If Watchtower comes for these JWs, they should use this same scripture from Jesus to the Samaritan to counter them. Jesus said no attachments/importance to place of worship lets see how Watchtower will react to that one.

You know dem be double face upper lips saying A and the lower lip saying B.

With all those things contained in that article you wonder why Max and his likes go about insulting and agitating on others about being a member of a religious organization or denominations or not stating the name of their religious denominations here on nairaland.

The fact that they had to start coaxing members to return to their sacred religious building for worship [/b]even stating that they should show more effort in worshipping God [b]in PERSON there says it all.

So those sitting at home are not worshipers of God in person? in TRUTH and in SPIRIT na inside kingdom halls e dey.

achorladey:
Dem no dey practice or follow wetin dem dey teach. Extract from one of their publications........


The mountain that the woman referred to was Mount Gerizim, located about 30 miles (50 km) north of Jerusalem. There the Samaritans once had a temple where they celebrated festivals such as the Passover. However, instead of focusing on this controversial difference between them, Jesus said to the woman: “Believe me, woman, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father.” (John 4:21) What an astounding comment, especially coming from a Jew! Why would the worship at God’s temple in Jerusalem cease?


The Jewish temple was a tangible structure at a specific geographic location. But spirit and truth are not material, nor are they limited to any physical place. Thus, Jesus was explaining that true Christian worship would not be centered in or dependent on any material structure or physical location, whether Mount Gerizim, the temple in Jerusalem, or any other sacred place.

When Jesus mentioned worshipping with spirit, he was not speaking of a particularly spirited, animated, or enthusiastic form of worship. Rather, he was talking about being guided by God’s holy spirit, which among other things guides our understanding of the Scriptures. (1 Corinthians 2:9-12) And the truth Jesus referred to is an accurate knowledge of Bible teachings. Therefore, rather than being rendered at any special place, our worship will be acceptable to God if it conforms to what the Bible teaches and is guided by the holy spirit.


See their article Should Christians Worship at Shrines?

Yet they released a letter of recent to all their congregations complaining that some have decided to continue and remain on ZOOM meetings at home instead of going to the kingdom halls stating they are not doing more to worship Jehovah in person at and inside the kingdom halls.




Kingdom halls na special and sacred place of worship for them that's why they dedicate it to Jehovah despite stating in the article metioned above that God don't need such places. If indeed kingdom halls are not sacred, dedicated or special places for worship. Let them open them up for other public events or gatherings or use it as polling booths for elections

Their greatest enemy is their own publications.

achorladey:
You know dem be double face upper lips saying A and the lower lip saying B.

With all those things contained in that article you wonder why Max and his likes go about insulting and agitating on others about being a member of a religious organization or denominations or not stating the name of their religious denominations here on nairaland.

The fact that they had to start coaxing members to return to their sacred religious building for worship [/b]even stating that they should show more effort in worshipping God [b]in PERSON there says it all.

So those sitting at home are not worshipers of God in person? in TRUTH and in SPIRIT na inside kingdom halls e dey.

This is what is making me laugh. So Watchtower agreed with all what we have been saying about the discussion between Jesus and the Samaritan woman yet the JWs in this forum are arguing blindly over doing the opposite of what Jesus taught. The JWs in this forum don't even know their own teachings.

JWs in this forum, can you see how your beloved Watchtower has disgraced you? Mad MaxInDHouse will come here to boast about being in the one true religion, being on the road to Salvation and how anyone who doesn't worship with JWs will perish yet Watchtower agreed with us that Jesus said Place of worship /denominations or attachment to buildings no longer matter. This is hilarious! Watchtower enjoys seeing JWs look stupid in public. Watchtower is the epitome of the word Contradiction.

oteneaaron:
Their greatest enemy is their own publications.

One thing I noticed about the publication I referenced was that it those magazines they give to the public to read. When the public buy into it and accept Bible study, then they gradually remove what they buy into indoctrinate them again with something else.

Look good on the outside something else inside. Indeed their publications na one of their palaver

tctrills:
I can see that there is already a full blown war on this thread. But I commend Templee333 for not engaging in meaningless fights.
He came here to tell his story.
Templee333 has been consistent. He shares his stories about all spiritual organizations that he was a part of.
He is not here to fight or discredit anyone. He just wants to tell his story.
You may not agree with what he says but clearly, he has been consistent and respectful.

STORIES! STORIES!! STORIES!!!
Are gotten from all sides but throughout the media it's rare to find news that's good and heartwarming no wonder Jesus referred to what his true disciples share as GOOD NEWS (GOSPEL) {Matthew 24:14} so when the lost sheep of the house of Israel {Matthew 10:6} hunger and thirst for Good News {Matthew 5:6} faithless humans will be longing for STORIES that's of no practical benefits! 2Timothy 4:3-4
Apostles Paul wrote a letter to our first century Christian brothers in philipi:

Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. Philippians 4:8

So when STORIES are brought to forums like this honest hearted and sincere individuals target TRUTH, HONESTY, JUSTICE, PURITY,LOVE, GOOD REPORTS, VIRTUE and PRAISE WORTHY things!

MaxInDHouse:
STORIES! STORIES!! STORIES!!!
Are gotten from all sides but throughout the media it's rare to find news that's good and heartwarming no wonder Jesus referred to what his true disciples share as GOOD NEWS (GOSPEL) {Matthew 24:14} so when the lost sheep of the house of Israel {Matthew 10:6} hunger and thirst for Good News {Matthew 5:6} faithless humans will be longing for STORIES that's of no practical benefits! 2Timothy 4:3-4
Apostles Paul wrote a letter to our first century Christian brothers in philipi:

Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. Philippians 4:8

So when STORIES are brought to forums like this honest hearted and sincere individuals target TRUTH, HONESTY, JUSTICE, PURITY,LOVE, GOOD REPORTS, VIRTUE and PRAISE WORTHY things!

my guy, I know exactly how you feel. I have been avoiding you for obvious reasons but I am learning from Templee333 examples. I would always show you love as much as I can from now on.
I understand you need to prove Templee333 wrong. But we don't fight for God.
Let him tell his story. Those who would believe would believe and those who would not would not. May you find peace.

achorladey:
One thing I noticed about the publication I referenced was that it those magazines they give to the public to read. When the public buy into it and accept Bible study, then they gradually remove what they buy into indoctrinate them again with something else.

Look good on the outside something else inside. Indeed their publications na one of their palaver

That is what I have noticed also. Why do you think they have separate Watchtower for JWs Study edition and there is Public edition? People reject their Watchtower and accept only Awake because they know the Jargons in there.

Courz:
This is what is making me laugh. So Watchtower agreed with all what we have been saying about the discussion between Jesus and the Samaritan woman yet the JWs in this forum are arguing blindly over doing the opposite of what Jesus taught. The JWs in this forum don't even know their own teachings.

JWs in this forum, can you see how your beloved Watchtower has disgraced you? Mad MaxInDHouse will come here to boast about being in the one true religion, being on the road to Salvation and how anyone who doesn't worship with JWs will perish yet Watchtower agreed with us that Jesus said Place of worship /denominations or attachment to buildings no longer matter. This is hilarious! Watchtower enjoys seeing JWs look stupid in public. Watchtower is the epitome of the word Contradiction.

God airpus.

No mind that one wey go dey parrot and boast about things e no understand for nairaland up and down thinking na military intelligence dem dey use understand bible or his religious publications


In their Bible teach book this is captured......

Remember, too, that you have made a dedication to Jehovah God himself, not to a work, a cause, other humans, or an organization. Your dedication and baptism are the beginning of a very close friendship with God​—an intimate relationship with him.... Page 183

Baptismal second question comes.......


Do you understand that your baptism identifies you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with Jehovah’s organization?


Double face everywhere

tctrills:
my guy, I know exactly how you feel. I have been avoiding you for obvious reasons but I am learning from Templee333 examples. I would always show you love as much as I can from now on.
I understand you need to prove Templee333 wrong. But we don't fight for God.
Let him tell his story. Those who would believe would believe and those who would not would not. May you find peace.

Philippians 4:8

Let's think about this very well. Be very honest. What kind of religion teaches that Jesus came invisibly then took the Holy Spirit away and instead assigned Angels to give them messages? Where was it written that the Holy Spirit will be no more? So, even if they receive messages from Angels, still they are not inspired. Can that religion be regarded as Christian when Jesus specifically mentioned the importance of the Holy Spirit in the life of a Christian? I am still shocked at this sort of teaching.

MaxInDHouse:
STORIES! STORIES!! STORIES!!!
Are gotten from all sides but throughout the media it's rare to find news that's good and heartwarming no wonder Jesus referred to what his true disciples share as GOOD NEWS (GOSPEL) {Matthew 24:14} so when the lost sheep of the house of Israel {Matthew 10:6} hunger and thirst for Good News {Matthew 5:6} faithless humans will be longing for STORIES that's of no practical benefits! 2Timothy 4:3-4
Apostles Paul wrote a letter to our first century Christian brothers in philipi:

Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. Philippians 4:8

So when STORIES are brought to forums like this honest hearted and sincere individuals target TRUTH, HONESTY, JUSTICE, PURITY,LOVE, GOOD REPORTS, VIRTUE and PRAISE WORTHY things!

When you go about plugging your post with the STORIES of a couple who attends different Christians religious denominations but had issues in their marriage using it to raise your religious organisation above theirs you forget Phillipians 4:8 and the part that says..... things are of good report

When you go about calling people all sorts of name, tags, labels, insult, workers of LAWLESSNESS and iniquities even saying.....

"They said Apostates are useless and hopeless"

You forget the account in Phillipians 4:8

achorladey:
God airpus.

No mind that one wey go dey parrot and boast about things e no understand for nairaland up and down thinking na military intelligence dem dey use understand bible or his religious publications


In their Bible teach book this is captured......

Remember, too, that you have made a dedication to Jehovah God himself, not to a work, a cause, other humans, or an organization. Your dedication and baptism are the beginning of a very close friendship with God​—an intimate relationship with him.... Page 183

Baptismal second question comes.......


Do you understand that your baptism identifies you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with Jehovah’s organization?


Double face everywhere

Double Double. Ahn Ahn!

Courz:
Spot on. I can't count how many times I have quoted this scripture to JWs. Unfortunately, what you said will fly over their heads because what the Samaritan woman said in John 4 vs 20 is exactly what JWs do and Jesus corrected her in verse 21. The Jews and the Samaritans have different religious beliefs and each believe they are better/superior to the other. JWs don't understand that verse. Watchtower gave JWs a different interpretation. When you read many translations, you will understand exactly what Jesus was saying. Jesus explained why the Jews believe in what they believe in BUT a time is coming, in fact that time is already now, that where you worship will no longer matter because true worshippers will worship God in Spirit and in truth. Place of worship no longer matters. God is no longer placing importance on physical buildings/denominations as long as people worship him in Spirit and in truth and these are the people he is looking for. He is not looking for people who place importance on denominations/place of worship and this is where JWs/Watchtower have failed. They are doing the opposite of what Jesus is saying. God is looking for people who worship him in the spiritual sense not in the physical sense that involves attachment to physical buildings. This is very easy to understand when you are spiritually awake but JWs don't understand it as they don't read the Bible in context to understand it.

Your Bible Translation is much simpler and direct
Which translation is this?

achorladey:
When you go about plugging your post with the STORIES of a couple who attends different Christians religious denominations but had issues in their marriage using it to raise your religious organisation above theirs you forget Phillipians 4:8 and the part that says..... things are of good report

When you go about calling people all sorts of name, tags, labels, insult, workers of LAWLESSNESS and iniquities even saying.....

"They said Apostates are useless and hopeless"

You forget the account in Phillipians 4:8

Just check out this testimony from an Ex Bethelite about a meeting they had with the governing body members at Bethel based on the issue of Bethelites having their own separate meetings separate from the rest of the Bethelites. Below are the words of two Governing body members to the whole Bethel family who are now late. So, not only are the bible principles not enough for JWs but they have to serve "Their Mother" a. k. a The Organisation that has over I000 rules and regulations to follow. Jesus says we are not under the Mosaic Law. Based on the screenshot, Watchtower says Mbanu, JWs must be under their law and that Law is the Organisation. People who want to join this Cult, I hope you are taking notes!

I think Archoladey has put everything in order
He was even using Watchtower Publications to prove the point raised
Which makes me wonder why the so-called apostates know more than Zealots and fanatics like Maximus
An apostate knows your organization more than you
E choke

OgaNightmare:
Your Bible Translation is much simpler and direct
Which translation is this?

New Living Translation. You have no idea how much this translation opened my eyes. There are other translations as good as this one. Once you start using these translations, you will understand why you never quite understood certain verses in the JW Bible. You will see their deception.

MaxInDHouse:
Philippians 4:8

it's well my brother. I understand you.

After reading from Templee333, I have come to believe that JW members need our love and understanding. Their doctrine may not be correct but the believe it with all their soul. Most of them are good people who are trying their best to follow Jesus Christ.