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JesusIsAMuslim:
You are uttering absolute rubbish. There's no need to continue with you again.

Lawag3:
That's what you Moslem do when you start doubting your religion you start saying the other person is saying rubbish .

I know how hard it may be for you to admit it but you know Islam can't be right it got so many flaws. This is about your salvation just think what if Islam is wrong study the Quran more cross check it with the bible study the character of Mohammed ask Jesus for guidance he will show you the way .

Lawag3:
I feel like you understand what I mean could you please send me your email address I would love to seed you some books and videos and the Hadith of bukhari with that I hope you find the truth peace my brother

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ had a serious problem with fake mogs and pastors so much so that almost 50% of the rules He gave His followers contained warnings to steer clear of them and their lies. He condemned their lies and cursed them revealing them as part of the enemies camp - the weeds - in the Kingdom of God.

I have a problem with them because I see why Jesus Christ, the one who is my Master does, and like Him, I point them out for who they are.

2. What does Matthew 28 vs 16 say that bothers you?

And please, at this point in this conversation, I think you should stop pretending your confusion with what is written in the Gospels as mine. It is clear from the discussion that you haven't spend enough time actually investigating what is the Gospel of the Kingdom of God for your own self. So, can you please skip the pretense ?

P.s. - The reason God labeled the Israelites stiffnecked is that no matter what He did for them they refuse to accept and obey His teachings and commandments. They reject His teachings evClearly, I am not the stiffnecked one in this here conversation.

almarthins:
1. You re more than I thought. That verse of the scripture told us eleven were before jesus. By the account of two witness a matter is established, is not that what the holy scripture says?

2. You did said that Peter was not there when jesus after his resurrection. The account of John chapter 20 only recorded Thomas as the only person that was not there. You can run but you can't hide.

Righteousness2:
Pastor is a title!
Not everyone that saith Lord ! Lord will enter into Heaven, but those that obey and do the will of the Father.

As long as his first wife is alive, he is Deceiving himself.
Beware of such people parambulating as pastors.

desiredhome:
There are several pastors in hidden relationship especially with their members, what is the difference between this pastor and then?...how will you know so as to beware of?....

Righteousness2:
How is it hidden when you are aware?
If you are aware, and you continue with such a one, then you are Decieving yourself.
It does not Matter the title anyone bears. As long as you are living in sin, such a one is deceiving himself.

Lawag3:
That's what you Moslem do when you start doubting your religion you start saying the other person is saying rubbish .

I know how hard it may be for you to admit it but you know Islam can't be right it got so many flaws. This is about your salvation just think what if Islam is wrong study the Quran more cross check it with the bible study the character of Mohammed ask Jesus for guidance he will show you the way .

Kobojunkie:
1. I am not able to make heads or tails of the why of this particular reference here.

2. In John 20, it isn't written anywhere that Peter in fact saw Jesus Christ before the event by the lake written of in John 21. In John 20 vs 24, we see it mentioned that Thomas, one of the 12, had not been with the other followers(not necessarily any of the 12) when Jesus Christ previously appeared to them, the followers. And from the Gospels, we know that Jesus Christ has at least 60 followers at that time apart from the 12 disciples - Jesus Christ, before His death, is recorded to have sent our 72 of His followers in twos to go teach of the good news in the areas surrounding Jerusalem. So what part of the story are you having a hard time comprehending abeg?

almarthins:
1. If you re honest with yourself, you will speak what is truth. I believe you managing facts so that you can sound right. Why was the number 11 mentioned twice by two different disciples in their account? It is because judas iscariot was no more and there was only 11 remaining of the 12 disciples.

2. Secondly, the notion you re bringing in, that the followers could had been among the eleven is dangerous. Those supposed followers was never with Jesus all day and night like the 12 whom Jesus revealed hidden mystery behind all his parables.

3. The book of act 1:12-26 told us how they selected Matthias to replace Judas iscariot. That was how they became 12 again. Some of your interpretation of the Bible are disturbing. Scripture interprets scripture, every book of the Bible is connect together.

Kobojunkie:
2. In John 20, it isn't written anywhere that Peter in fact saw Jesus Christ before the event by the lake written of in John 21. In John 20 vs 24, we see it mentioned that Thomas, one of the 12, had not been with the other followers(not necessarily any of the 12) when Jesus Christ previously appeared to them, the followers. And from the Gospels, we know that Jesus Christ has at least 60 followers at that time apart from the 12 disciples - Jesus Christ, before His death, is recorded to have sent our 72 of His followers in twos to go teach of the good news in the areas surrounding Jerusalem. So what part of the story are you having a hard time comprehending abeg?

IrepChrist:
1 Timothy 3:2-2
King James Version
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach.

I have come to realize that we so much love titles in Nigeria without having ready to pay the price of the office.

Lawag3:
You are very funny The Cristian God is not like the Moslem God that you can only pray to by prostrating. If you have been to a church you would have known that christians could pray standing,face down or even sitting. Moses Abraham and Jesus bow down to pray to God doesn't mean they are Moslems. If that was the case then when the children of Israel bow down to worship the golden calf in the bible does that mean they were Moslems?.
You guys are always go to the bible for validation. The same bible you say was corrupted

JesusIsAMuslim:
Is golden calf not different from God? Not expecting you to be logical sha. If Jesus bowed, why is that missing in your churches if you are truly his followers? Seems like you derive joy in neglecting Jesus's message.

Lawag3:
The Cristian God is different from Allah so when Jesus bowed he did not bow to Allah he bowed and prayed to God Jehovah when moses and Abraham and Jesus bowed the they recite the Quranic prayers? I'm just coming from church some people bowed down to pray today in church that doesn't make them Moslem. They were other instance where Jesus didn't bow to pray why did you not mention them why?

If you want I could compare the Moslem God with the Christian God to prove to you that they're not the same.

uglodoh:
Oga let me ask you this question. Suppose the man married those two women traditionally before becoming a born again. What should he do as a person now that he has become a bishop?

IrepChrist:
The first wife as supported by the scripture is the actual wife. The founder of the redeemed Christian Church of God. Had more than one wife while the church started as a white garment Church. When God called him into the new covenant. He apologized to the the wives he married after the first wife. It's called restitution.

JesusIsAMuslim:
Definitely, they are not the same. My God doesn't need to kill his son to forgive nobody. He has the power to outrightly forgive. The truth is, there can't be two Gods. One has to be real and the other, false. I worship the one true God Jesus admonished the Israelites to worship.

Lawag3:
In your religion sin doesn't have consequences because even if you sin and die Allah may still grant you paradise but in my religion you have to be holy and without spot. sin stains you and puts a death sentence on you Jesus died to remove the death sentence.

JesusIsAMuslim:
Which yeye death sentence are you talking about. Why do I have to die again since Jesus already took that away. How are you guys so dumb?

Since Jesus already died for all your sins, I guess you can kill someone and God will let it go? I mean Christianity is a joke that's difficult to explain to any reasonable person.

We believe God is powerful enough to punish all sins, and at the same time merciful enough to forgive your sins without needing to sacrifice anyone for you. The only sins we believe God wouldn't forgive is associating others with him. God is absolute. He doesn't need no Jesus neither does he need Mary to function as God. He's the supreme being that doesn't need no one's help.

And if God decides to punish all of our sins then no one will come close to paradise. Do you understand or you want elaboration?

Lawag3:
I have already explain all this to you I have used illustrations I have explained all this you are asking why do you have to die again? If what you are talking about is physical death then let me explain you believe God is wise right? Originally Man was made to live forever but after the first sin if God was to allow them live on man will forever live in sin. That might not be a big deal to you but imagine immortal serial killers ritual killers imagine an undying adolf Hitler. So man has to die after living their lifetime so they can be judged. Jesus comes in to pay the price for the spiritual death which is hell the bible calls that the second death since no man can get to heaven by good works alone since no man is free of sin Jesus had to die the death we are supposed to die so who believes and not go back to your past life in him shall have everlasting life.

So if you where saved and you believe in Jesus but went back to your old life of sin you will not make heaven. We Cristians call this backsliding. Even the Bible says should we continue in sin because we have grace ? No God forbid!!

With all the questions you have asked me I can say that I have successfully defended Christianity.

I have questions to ask you about Islam I hope you are up for it my brother .

Mind you my brother I have read most part of the Quran and some Hadiths.

Lawag3:
I have already explain all this to you I have used illustrations I have explained all this you are asking why do you have to die again? If what you are talking about is physical death then let me explain you believe God is wise right? Originally Man was made to live forever but after the first sin if God was to allow them live on man will forever live in sin. That might not be a big deal to you but imagine immortal serial killers ritual killers imagine an undying adolf Hitler. So man has to die after living their lifetime so they can be judged. Jesus comes in to pay the price for the spiritual death which is hell the bible calls that the second death since no man can get to heaven by good works alone since no man is free of sin Jesus had to die the death we are supposed to die so who believes and not go back to your past life in him shall have everlasting life.

So if you where saved and you believe in Jesus but went back to your old life of sin you will not make heaven. We Cristians call this backsliding. Even the Bible says should we continue in sin because we have grace ? No God forbid!!

With all the questions you have asked me I can say that I have successfully defended Christianity.

I have questions to ask you about Islam I hope you are up for it my brother .

Mind you my brother I have read most part of the Quran and some Hadiths.

JesusIsAMuslim:
What do you know about the Hadith is the first thing you need to ask yourself.

Gibberish is what you wrote up there.

If Jesus has already paid the price for the spiritual death, which in itself is meant to prevent hellfire, then it doesn't matter the amount of sins I commit again because the most important of sins has been paid for.Na chicken sins remain.

Originally man was meant to live forever but if God had allowed that, we will continue to live in sin? Are you telling me your God is that useless he couldn't purify us all of our sins without the need for his "precious son" dying?

The more you try to explain Christianity, the dumber you become. Your religion is against commonsense and it's not a coincidence young people are leaving it for atheism. Use your head bro.

JesusIsAMuslim:
Ask me your questions please. But just don't make it like modern day christianity cos it is dumb.

Lawag3:
Thank you for the opportunity

Do you know that Allah refers disbelievers as worst of creatures why does Allah call his own creatures the worst of creatures just because you are not Moslem.

Why does the Quran says that all Moslems will go to hell until the judgement day when he will come and find the mark of prostration on your head.There is none of you that shall not go there (hell) - this is the judgment your Lord has purposed. Then we shall save those who fear Allah, and we shall leave the evil doers in the fire on their knees (Sura 19:71-72). So how are you warming up for hell .

Why is the Islam paradise so much immoral?
A thorough study of the Qur'an shows that the Christian heaven is different from the Muslim paradise, The Qur'an says there will be a lot of sexual activity in paradise.1 The book talks of many virgins which no persons or angels have deflowered. They are "pure spouses" (Sura 3:15) and "wide-eyed houri"2 There are companions with beautiful big and lustrous eyes, "maidens with swelling breasts."3 One Hadith says each Muslim (especially if he fought jihad very well on earth for the cause of Allah), will be entitled to 500 houris, 4,000 virgins and 8,000 non-virgins, making 12,000 women altogether, just for one person! In another Hadith, Muhammad said: The lowliest of the inhabitants of paradise will be he who has eighty thousand (80,000) servants, seventy-two wives.

Not only thatWith this background of marital life in Islam, it is perhaps not surprising that the Islamic paradise should be full of "women affairs." But apart from the unlimited honeymoons of Muhammad's paradise, there are also "rivers of wine" flowing in that heaven.23 This must be a wonderful and promising paradise for all unrepentant winebibbers and beer soakers. Because of Sura 5:93, wine is forbidden in some Islamic countries. Some people have seen this as a contradiction. But abstinence here may simply be to prepare our throats for the Great Beyond. One Hadith says: If you want to enjoy wine in the hereafter, abstain from it here. In Mishkat al Masabih (1990), Muhammad said: He who drinks wine in this world and dies when he is addicted to it, not having repented, will not drink it in the next. With all the drinking sprees and women affairs in the Islamic heaven, observers have wondered if Allah would not have a problem getting the attention of Muslims to worship him in that paradise. They have done enough worship on earth. Now, it is time for sensuous enjoyment unlimited. Someone asks, "Will all these orgies and profligacy be done in the presence of Allah in heaven?" Who knows? The whole Qur'an contains no description of Allah being present in paradise.

Islam is too funny My brother answer all.

JesusIsAMuslim:

You read the answer you gave and score yourself you must be an imam I love the way you unsuccessful twisted the words of your Quran

Let me grade your answers

The one who creates you surely knows you more than anyone else. If you disbelief in your creator, I guess you deserve whatever description you get. And the worst of punishments awaits you.

You did not tell why he calls his own creatures the worst of creatures you just justified it when Jesus was asked why he was only found in the company of sinners he said people who are not sick don't need doctors only sick people I said this are the people I came for. Allah on the other hand .

There is not one of you but will pass over it "The passing of the Muslims (over the Hellfire) means their passing over a bridge that is over it. But the passing of the idolators over the Hellfire refers to their admission to the Fire.'' Believers will be saved, disbelievers will not. Do you understand?

Wow where did you see pass over the fire there? none of you that shall not go there (hell) - this is the judgment your Lord has purposed. Then we shall save those who fear Allah, and we shall leave the evil doers in the fire on their knees (Sura 19:71-72). if the translation that you gave is true then save the people who crossed over the fire with a bridge why save them and leave the evil doers in the fire. Allah judged you for being Moslem , Allah purposed that judgement on you. See your answer? it means thier passing over it with a bridge but the passing of disbelievers over it means the admission into it? The story of Islam .

Will there be anything impure close to God? The men and the women will all be pure. The wine will be pure. Your heart will be pure so much that all those erroneous thinking you have will not come up. And paradise is a place of unrestricted fulfillment. If you can think it, you will get it. That's the biggest of rewards. The ultimate victory for all believers.
my God !!!read the verse it was perfectly clear The Qur'an says there will be a lot of sexual activity in paradise.1 The book talks of many virgins which no persons or angels have deflowered. They are "pure spouses" (Sura 3:15) and "wide-eyed houri"2 There are companions with beautiful big and lustrous eyes, "maidens with swelling breasts."3 One Hadith says each Muslim (especially if he fought jihad very well on earth for the cause of Allah), will be entitled to 500 houris, 4,000 virgins and 8,000 non-virgins, making 12,000 women altogether, just for one person!

And I hope you know about Hadiths? Some hadiths are classified as weak for the authenticity of such comments cant be ascertained. We don't mix Muhammed's (peace be upon him) saying with God's words. This is not the jam-packed Bible.

You have disgraced Islam why can't you mix Mohammed words with Allah's I thought he was Allah's prophet he is supposed to be speaking the words of Allah if you can't trust your prophet words to the extent that you can't mix and compare his words with the words of the one who sent him why do you follow and imitate him so it means Islam is a lie . So Mohammed words are classified as weak Hadiths

You said Quran didn't mention seeing God? What is this?

I didn't mention seeing God what I did ask is why The whole Qur'an contains no description of Allah being present in paradise.

“Some faces that Day shall be Nadirah (shining and radiant).

Looking at their Lord (Allah).”

[al-Qiyaamah :22-23].

You are a joke.[quote]

JesusIsAMuslim:
You are a joke.

Lawag3:
Islam is a joke, Islam is a scam, you know this.
You know in Christianity there is a sin that is unforgivable that sin is when God through the holy spirit gives enough evidence for you to come to him and you ignore all it will reach a point you can't come back to the light

I hope and pray you haven't gotten to that point yet.

Lawag3:
You are very funny The Cristian God is not like the Moslem God that you can only pray to by prostrating. If you have been to a church you would have known that christians could pray standing,face down or even sitting. Moses Abraham and Jesus bow down to pray to God doesn't mean they are Moslems. If that was the case then when the children of Israel bow down to worship the golden calf in the bible does that mean they were Moslems?.
You guys are always go to the bible for validation. The same bible you say was corrupted

Lukuluku69:
But you Christians also go to the Old Testament to validate your Jesus too? Yet the Jews that believed in that Old Testament never believed in your Christ?

How ironic!