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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by obixcel(m): 12:48pm On Sep 08, 2022
Let me just leave this right here. Another one grin

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 1:26pm On Sep 08, 2022
obixcel:
What haven't we seen for the past 4-6 yrs. They claim Trump was racist, they said he was a "foreign agent" in the White house - a Putin asset, they claimed He was an illegitimate President and stole the election via Collusion with Russia (Putin) etc I can go on and on - we all know the story.

The issue with the Russia-Ukraine War is that the Establishment Republicans and Democrats are milking it while they can, churning out Billions of Dollars and sending them to Ukraine. Of course they get huge kick backs, cash backs, call it whatever. They are enriching themselves while virtue signalling like they are doing some righteous thing or being on the right side of history in their support for Ukraine. The whole thing is deception.
The left has reached a "self actualization" level where they can do anything and half the population will support them because of intense propaganda. Take the case of the vaccines being safe and 98% effective. Any doctor who went against the grain was hounded. A vaccine denier. the climate crisis also , these guys are buying beach houses while screaming that Manhattan will be flooded due to climate change. This august due to climate change they had predicted the worst huricanes. There was not a single one. They were very sad but they explain that climate change causes disruption in the weather and climate. And leftists swallow that BS.

At the start I questioned why NATO wants Ukraine to join. That was a redline drawn up many years ago.
They sanctioned Russia , removed them from the SWIFT system. NOw Putin has cut off Nordstream II and the EU is crying about being held energy hostage, as if they themselves are not holding Russians hostage in the money transfer market.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 2:07pm On Sep 08, 2022
benalvino3:
They are no struggling to buy what they need even if you are being told that.

Russia have never entered the market to buy western made weapons. If they want materials for weapons, they can use proxies to buy it evading sanctions. Iran use same method to sell oil.

Besides, Russia is still heavily capable as they don't use their best tech and weapons on wars like this.

China as well think it is in their best interest for Russia to be a formidable force and continues to be because a friend indeed is a friend in need.

With China around, sanction will hardly stick these days and you have nations who tries to stay in the middle like India. They are benefit from the sanctions. They still buy Russian oil for a good deal now.

While EU buys indirectly for higher cost.
You will believe what you want, and evidence will not make a difference to you.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/09/06/russia-faces-far-deeper-longer-recession-kremlin-publicly-admits/

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Weregonnalose: 2:41pm On Sep 08, 2022
budaatum:
You will believe what you want, and evidence will not make a difference to you.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/09/06/russia-faces-far-deeper-longer-recession-kremlin-publicly-admits/
what evidence? the propaganda you ingest from the west?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 3:04pm On Sep 08, 2022
budaatum:
You will believe what you want, and evidence will not make a difference to you.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/09/06/russia-faces-far-deeper-longer-recession-kremlin-publicly-admits/
We all believe what we want, don't we?

the sanctions to cripple Russia did not work. the fact they are calling for more sanctions shows the prior ones failed to deter Russia. Hopefully, they can get it right. Ukraine is in a stalemate with Russia. The US is bleeding billions every month and Russia is bleeding millions every month. at the end of the day, china which is a bigger threat is rising.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 3:16pm On Sep 08, 2022
benalvino3:
We all believe what we want, don't we?

the sanctions to cripple Russia did not work. the fact they are calling for more sanctions shows the prior ones failed to deter Russia. Hopefully, they can get it right. Ukraine is in a stalemate with Russia. The US is bleeding billions every month and Russia is bleeding millions every month. at the end of the day, china which is a bigger threat is rising.
Our state finances have stabilised. I would like to note that this year's budget will be executed with a surplus of almost half a trillion roubles, somewhere around 485 billion roubles ($7.93 billion), Putin said at Russia's Eastern Economic Forum in Vladivostok
Get that , a budget surplus despite a 2% contraction while other countries are racking up debt to prop up a comedian
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 3:16pm On Sep 08, 2022
benalvino3:
We all believe what we want, don't we?

the sanctions to cripple Russia did not work. the fact they are calling for more sanctions shows the prior ones failed to deter Russia. Hopefully, they can get it right. Ukraine is in a stalemate with Russia. The US is bleeding billions every month and Russia is bleeding millions every month. at the end of the day, china which is a bigger threat is rising.
I don't think you know what you are talking about, as usual. If you were Russian and you had to sell your football team and had your yacht and bank accounts impounded and can't play tennis or drive a Formula 1 car or travel where you used to etc, I'm sure you change your tune.

And China is not a bigger threat unless you believe you must remain the only superpower or if you ignore the economic quagmire China currently find itself in, which, when it comes to the fore, you'd be here gloating at what you'd call China's demise.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by saxywale2: 3:18pm On Sep 08, 2022
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2022/09/07/688817/Iran-aircraft-maintenance-Russian-passenger-planes-Qassemi

Russia now sending passenger planes to Iran for maintenance. Effect of sanctions.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 3:32pm On Sep 08, 2022
budaatum:
I don't think you know what you are talking about, as usual. If you were Russian and you had to sell your football team and had your yacht and bank accounts impounded and can't play tennis or drive a Formula 1 car or travel where you used to etc, I'm sure you change your tune.

And China is not a bigger threat unless you believe you must remain the only superpower or if you ignore the economic quagmire China currently find itself in, which, when it comes to the fore, you'd be here gloating at what you'd call China's demise.
Citizens will eventually get tired because they know who is prolonging the war and making them start cutting down trees to keep warm over Easter, being told not to charge the EV cars at certain times, maintaining aircon at 19 degrees centigrade lest they are jailed ( spain) , reduce the number of times they shower.
And also making underground bunkers ready in case of a nuclear war.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZl5vrqmfHU


dont forget 1 USD was 127 to the rouble in Feb, now its 1 to 61
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by saxywale2: 3:43pm On Sep 08, 2022
obixcel:
One thing I know is that after they've all tried and done their worst against Trump, he will be vindicated in the end. I predict that before 2024 their last ditch attempt to stop Trump from running will be to assassinate him.
Trump is welcome to run in 2024, if he is legally allowed too. He is going to need the votes of those establishment Republicans you earlier mentioned, the independents and some Democrats. MAGA votes alone can't get him into the white house. I am sure you are aware of that.

Majority of The polls between yesterday and today below:

1.
A new poll reveals that almost half of those surveyed — 47 percent — said former President Trump did something illegal or unethical in the wake of documents being seized from his home in Florida and should be charged with a crime.

https://thehill.com/homenews/3633747-almost-half-say-trump-should-face-charges-in-connection-with-seized-documents-poll/


2.
Poll: Biden now leads Trump by widest margin in 6 months

https://news.yahoo.com/poll-biden-now-leads-trump-by-widest-margin-of-last-6-months-205506846.html


3.
Most Americans see Trump's MAGA as threat to democracy: Reuters/Ipsos poll

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/most-americans-see-trumps-maga-threat-democracy-reutersipsos-2022-09-07/


4.
Two-thirds of independents say they don't want Trump to run for president

https://www.npr.org/2022/09/07/1121307491/poll-trump-fbi-search-run-2024
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 3:47pm On Sep 08, 2022
basilico:
Citizens will eventually get tired because they know who is prolonging the war and making them start cutting down trees to keep warm over Easter, being told not to charge the EV cars at certain times, maintaining aircon at 19 degrees centigrade lest they are jailed ( spain) , reduce the number of times they shower.
And also making underground bunkers ready in case of a nuclear war.

https://www.youtube.co.m/watch?v=DZl5vrqmfHU
It's called democracy, Bas. If people chose to not support Ukraine (Czech Republic springs to mind), the people can vote for leaders who oppose supporting Ukraine. Just that not everyone is self-centred like you are. Some will make sacrifices for the good of others,
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 3:50pm On Sep 08, 2022
budaatum:
I don't think you know what you are talking about, as usual. If you were Russian and you had to sell your football team and had your yacht and bank accounts impounded and can't play tennis or drive a Formula 1 car or travel where you used to etc, I'm sure you change your tune.

And China is not a bigger threat unless you believe you must remain the only superpower or if you ignore the economic quagmire China currently find itself in, which, when it comes to the fore, you'd be here gloating at what you'd call China's demise.
Are you serious? do you know how Russians view the west?
they don't like the west and will not change their tune because of what the west is doing to them which only proves the propaganda they are fed to be legit.

you seem to be the clueless one. it is always a risky business for anyone to invest in another nation, especially a hostile nation.

China is not a threat? Buda you are lost. you have no clue what is coming. Do you think this is 1993 when they were weak and the west fed them well? Now they have a bigger navy than the US and it will not be easy for the US to sail close to china to counter it.

You have a football club whose owner is a Russian, Man who has helped the economy in England and provided work for a lot of people. Tell me why he is being punished despite helping England. let's say, You guys like to act Holy but deep down you guys are demons.

Lets us not forget what the Americans did to the Asian-Americans after the pearl harbor attack. You are fully in support of such thing nonsense. Because Putin bombed a nation, you will start stealing the assets of Russians in your country.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 3:55pm On Sep 08, 2022
basilico:
Citizens will eventually get tired because they know who is prolonging the war and making them start cutting down trees to keep warm over Easter, being told not to charge the EV cars at certain times, maintaining aircon at 19 degrees centigrade lest they are jailed ( spain) , reduce the number of times they shower.
And also making underground bunkers ready in case of a nuclear war.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZl5vrqmfHU


dont forget 1 USD was 127 to the rouble in Feb, now its 1 to 61
Leave Budaatum who refused to see the big picture. How can they put all those sanctions on Russia and their Currency is getting strong while the Pounds and euros are getting weak?

high cost of living sweeping through Europe.

it does not need a brain to understand that both sides are feeling the heat but one side is trying to make us feel like they have destroyed the otherside economically.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 3:56pm On Sep 08, 2022
budaatum:
It's called democracy, Bas. If people chose to not support Ukraine (Czech Republic springs to mind), the people can vote for leaders who oppose supporting Ukraine. Just that not everyone is self-centred like you are. Some will make sacrifices for the good of others,
dont be always negative. Everyone knows that if Ukraine agreed not to join NATO and to stop brutality in the Donbass region Putin would never have invaded. Many UKraine cities lie in ruins and the West is arming Ukraine to the teeth and money
In the meantime grain exports from Ukraine are curtailed creating a food crisis . Gas prices are high because of the war.
Citizens will eventually get tired and turn on the leaders who are fanning the war.
What had Boris gone to do in Ukraine circa April
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by saxywale2:
Steve Bannon is in custody. He is charged in NY with two counts of money laundering, three counts of conspiracy & one count of scheming to defraud.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 4:06pm On Sep 08, 2022
basilico:
dont be always negative. Everyone knows that if Ukraine agreed not to join NATO and to stop brutality in the Donbass region Putin would never have invaded. Many UKraine cities lie in ruins and the West is arming Ukraine to the teeth and money
In the meantime grain exports from Ukraine are curtailed creating a food crisis . Gas prices are high because of the war.
Citizens will eventually get tired and turn on the leaders who are fanning the war.
What had Boris gone to do in Ukraine circa April
Putin Cannot dictate who joins who. Ukraine can join whoever they want to. If they want it so bad then they should fight for it. if Russia wants to stop them so badly then they should fight for it. if the west has been cheering for Ukraine to join while they know the consequences of their actions... then they should be ready to get their soldiers and blood on Ukraine soil and fight with Ukraine. else, they should have not brought up the Idea of Ukraine Joining or acknowledged Ukraine's request to join.

as it is, Ukraine is being used as a pawn to fight Russia indirectly and the people of Ukraine are the ones who are suffering.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by saxywale2: 4:27pm On Sep 08, 2022
Fox News personality Geraldo Rivera said in a new tweet that he’s not going to support former President Trump again. Rivera on Wednesday stressed the former president’s “shameful” claims that the 2020 election was stolen.

“Election Deniers depress me,” Rivera said. “I blame President Trump for his shameful campaign to slander and undermine American faith in our elections.”

“For all his positive accomplishments, and there are many, I could never support him again,” Rivera added. “Without fealty to the Constitution, we’re 2d rate.”
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 4:54pm On Sep 08, 2022
saxywale2:
Steve Bannon is in custody. He is charged in NY with two counts of money laundering, three counts of conspiracy & one count of scheming to defraud.
He had been pardoned by Trump at the Federal level for the same offences. Democrats are pure evil.
Looking for anything to harrass Trump advisors.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by obixcel(m): 4:59pm On Sep 08, 2022
saxywale2:
Fox News personality Geraldo Rivera said in a new tweet that he’s not going to support former President Trump again. Rivera on Wednesday stressed the former president’s “shameful” claims that the 2020 election was stolen.

“Election Deniers depress me,” Rivera said. “I blame President Trump for his shameful campaign to slander and undermine American faith in our elections.”

“For all his positive accomplishments, and there are many, I could never support him again,” Rivera added. “Without fealty to the Constitution, we’re 2d rate.”
Election deniers hahahaha What about those Democrats who denied the 2016 Election Victory of Trump? The ones in the Senate that attempted to object to the Electoral College votes from each States? Hillary Clinton calling Trump an illegitimate President?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by saxywale2: 5:01pm On Sep 08, 2022
basilico:
He had been pardoned by Trump at the Federal level for the same offences. Democrats are pure evil.
Looking for anything to harrass Trump advisors.
Oh well. Better to completely stay away from crime.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by obixcel(m): 5:02pm On Sep 08, 2022
My thoughts and prayers are with Queen Elizabeth II; Doctors have branded her health situation 'extremely serious', she's currently in a hospital.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79gkVAAhkbg
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 5:04pm On Sep 08, 2022
benalvino3:
Putin Cannot dictate who joins who. Ukraine can join whoever they want to. If they want it so bad then they should fight for it.
Glad to see you at least disagree with basilico who thinks Russia should dictate to Ukraine and Europe.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 6:24pm On Sep 08, 2022
budaatum:
Glad to see you at least disagree with basilico who thinks Russia should dictate to Ukraine and Europe.
It was an unwritten agreement after the fall that NATO would not expand eastwards , which they consequently did.
Its commonly known that Russia has been seeething with anger over NATO, Their plan to put up a defensive shield does not go well . Because a defensive shield can be quickly turned into an offensive one where from Ukraine Moscow is only 500 miles away .

Anyway those are geopolitics. Putin is an expansionist too , with Crimea sea port he wants a land corridor to Russia.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by obixcel(m): 6:51pm On Sep 08, 2022
Queen ELIZABETH II is Dead; Dies at the age of 96
May her Soul rest in perfect peace

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 7:22pm On Sep 08, 2022
basilico:
It was an unwritten agreement after the fall that NATO would not expand eastwards , which they consequently did.
Its commonly known that Russia has been seeething with anger over NATO, Their plan to put up a defensive shield does not go well . Because a defensive shield can be quickly turned into an offensive one where from Ukraine Moscow is only 500 miles away .

Anyway those are geopolitics. Putin is an expansionist too , with Crimea sea port he wants a land corridor to Russia.
Basilico! Written agreements are rewritten, so why would you expect an unwritten agreement to be cast in stone unless you are naive?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 7:24pm On Sep 08, 2022
obixcel:
Queen ELIZABETH II is Dead; Dies at the age of 96
May her Soul rest in perfect peace
Long live the King. May she rip.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by obixcel(m): 7:59pm On Sep 08, 2022
budaatum:
Long live the King. May she rip.
Long live the Queen
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by feedthenation(m): 9:01pm On Sep 08, 2022
obixcel:
Long live the Queen
---The Queen passed on peacefully---long live the King---King Charles III---
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by obixcel(m): 9:06pm On Sep 08, 2022
feedthenation:
---The Queen passed on peacefully---long live the King---King Charles III---
grin Got it.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 9:51pm On Sep 08, 2022
budaatum:
Basilico! Written agreements are rewritten, so why would you expect an unwritten agreement to be cast in stone unless you are naive?
How did Americans react when Russians brought their missiles to Cuba? If you neighbor is a burglar do you want him renting next to you?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by obixcel(m): 10:34pm On Sep 08, 2022
Wow!! She aged gracefully indeed

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 10:49pm On Sep 08, 2022
Russia vs Europe. Some clever Indian breaks it down.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBbz8sjVz6I
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