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Sixfiguresmart:
The problem i am having is that Muslims here insult the Holy spirit. But they fail to realize that their clerics in the Arab world are teaching and preaching this holy spirit
I dont know how to help them cos even allah confirms that he as been penalized in the noble quran by human beings. So humans have the capability to penalize allah
surah 56:66 We have been penalized.

So, Muslims also believe that Jesus will come again. The issue is that they assert that Jesus will come back again and then revert to islam. pay attention, Jesus will REVERT to Islam. If he will revert, so he must have been Muslim, if he was Muslim, why reverting? or, did he deviate? if he did, why do they honorify him with (PBUH) just as they do Mohamed who is the muslim?

so, the issue makes one wonder if Muslims are ever going to see Jesus. Check my profile for more of this.

They didn't say you should quote from the koran

derecho:
Yes, I have.
But the Best Bible Teacher is the Holy Spirit.

When the student is ready,the teacher would appear says a Chinese proverb.

If you desire Truth, spend time on the word and prayers.
When you're convinced, you care less who disagrees or agrees.
Both Rapture and Christ would return but these are not as important as purifying yourself.

I thought this topic is a teaching not preaching, it Holy spirit is your best teacher why do we rely on the bible

MindHacker9009:
The 2nd coming happened in 70 AD when the Temple was destroyed.

NO!
The destruction of the temple that year marked the end of the old covenant not the second coming of Christ!
Jesus told the Jews that he is the same guardian angel who has been putting up with all their rebellious attitudes {Matthew 23:37 compare to Daniel 12:1} but since they rejected him God has also rejected that nation and a new nation has replaced them {Matthew 21:43} so after his last breath on the torture stake {John 19:30} the large curtain between the holy and most holy room in the temple reaped apart {Matthew 27:51} of course those faithless priests in the temple won't tell their people so they may not correlate such event with the passing away of Jesus who claims he's the Christ (Son of God) Matthew 27:54

So after the Christian congregation has been firmly established God brought His judgment against that faithless nation but before then the chosen nation (Jewish disciples of Christ) has left Judea in obedience to Christ's order! Luke 21:20-24

That was how the disciples of Christ were saved that year but for most Jews living in Judea it was an event they will forever remember throughout their generations!

I don't understand your question.

pcagbaji:
I thought this topic is a teaching not preaching, it Holy spirit is your best teacher why do we rely on the bible

The question you all should ask is

Are you prepared?



If you are not prepared you are just wasting internet data

The rapture first in this event Jesus descends to the clouds, he does not come to the earth, then the time of Jacobs trouble, So he would be redeemed and finally the Second coming ( i dont want to call it a third coming), in this event Jesus descends to the Earth, and he saves The Jews.


Thessalonians is one of the pillars for the foundation for believing in a rapture of the Church.

Let me clarify what i believe it says and mean, its how i have come to understand it.

1 Thessalonians 5

3 While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

4 But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. 5 You are all children of the light and children of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. 6 So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be awake and sober. 7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night. 8 But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet. 9 For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. 10 He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him. 11 Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing.


2 Thessalonians 2
The Man of Lawlessness
Lets look at 2 Thessalonians 2, notice it is talking about the day of the lord, what is coming before the day of the lord,

1) If you look at it closely, its says the first thing that happens is a falling away ( very likely i believe is the rapture)
2) Then the Son of perdition is revealed

If you read further it explains further, that Son of perdition cannot be revealed until the one who withstands, is removed out of the way.

The one who can withstand the devil is either God the father, God the son Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit also known as the spirit of Christ.

We know that the Holy Spirit came upon the church. Therefore if the Church is removed from the scene, the holy spirit goes up with the church.


So read Thessalonians maybe you will come to this understanding.

2 Thessalonians
3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9

Finally look at this

1 Thessalonians 4:13-17

13 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

tctrills:
While some Christians believe that Christ is coming to earth again to reign, others believe that he would rapture the righteous to heaven and leave the wicked on earth. What does the bible say about both. Please use the scriptures.

Show me at least 3 scriptures that support that


1Tess4:16-17
For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.

derecho:
The Rapture and Christ Second Coming are two different things.Personal beliefs is immaterial
Study your Bible to understand yourself.

The important thing is be prepared to meet God.

they are not,... you are the one who needs Bible study .

Tomgerald:
Just like a brother has said earlier, the coming of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and Rapture are two different events!
1. First of all, rapture will take place for the Christians who have cleanse themselves from all filthiness while
2. Jesus will come again after rapture and the millennium reign (which is the reign of Satan and his followers), those who repented and change their ways will be taking to heaven by Jesus himself.
Thank you and happy Sunday.

lies. there is only one resurrection in the Bible for the believers not two. Christ is coming once again not twice again.

SeriouslySense:
The rapture first in this event Jesus descends to the clouds, he does not come to the earth, then the time of Jacobs trouble, So he would be redeemed and finally the Second coming ( i dont want to call it a third coming), in this event Jesus descends to the Earth, and he saves The Jews.


Thessalonians is one of the pillars for the foundation for believing in a rapture of the Church.

Let me clarify what i believe it says and mean, its how i have come to understand it.

1 Thessalonians 5

3 While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

4 But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. 5 You are all children of the light and children of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. 6 So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be awake and sober. 7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night. 8 But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet. 9 For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. 10 He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him. 11 Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing.


2 Thessalonians 2
The Man of Lawlessness
Lets look at 2 Thessalonians 2, notice it is talking about the day of the lord, what is coming before the day of the lord,

1) If you look at it closely, its says the first thing that happens is a falling away ( very likely i believe is the rapture)
2) Then the Son of perdition is revealed

If you read further it explains further, that Son of perdition cannot be revealed until the one who withstands, is removed out of the way.

The one who can withstand the devil is either God the father, God the son Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit also known as the spirit of Christ.

We know that the Holy Spirit came upon the church. Therefore if the Church is removed from the scene, the holy spirit goes up with the church.


So read Thessalonians maybe you will come to this understanding.

2 Thessalonians
3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9

Finally look at this

1 Thessalonians 4:13-17

13 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

Sir, from the scriptures you quoted, we are told that they would met the Lord in the air
Some translations say the cloud. The last I checked, the air and cloud were still a part of the earth. So it seems the rapture has nothing to do with the rightous going up to heaven

tctrills:
While some Christians believe that Christ is coming to earth again to reign, others believe that he would rapture the righteous to heaven and leave the wicked on earth. What does the bible say about both. Please use the scriptures.

Die, confirm, then come back to tell us

God knows i tried my best, maybe in time you will understand .

tctrills:
Sir, from the scriptures you quoted, we are told that they would met the Lord in the air
Some translations say the cloud. The last I checked, the air and cloud were still a part of the earth. So it seems the rapture has nothing to do with the rightous going up to heaven

hahahahahah

I am trying to find out who is punishing allah in surah 56:66 We have been penalized.

pcagbaji:
They didn't say you should quote from the koran

derecho:
The Rapture and Christ Second Coming are two different things.Personal beliefs is immaterial
Study your Bible to understand yourself.

The important thing is be prepared to meet God.

Understanding the bible is not even easy because you would see series of contradictions

Then you are calling Jesus Christ a liar when He said in:
Matthew 16:28
"Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom"

Also you are calling Jesus Christ a liar here when He said "Immediately after the distress of those days" and this was in Judea from 66AD to 70AD.
Matthew 24:29-30
29 “Immediately after the distress of those days “’the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’
30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth c will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTxDcif-XT4

MaxInDHouse:
NO!
The destruction of the temple that year marked the end of the old covenant not the second coming of Christ!
Jesus told the Jews that he is the same guardian angel who has been putting up with all their rebellious attitudes {Matthew 23:37 compare to Daniel 12:1} but since they rejected him God has also rejected that nation and a new nation has replaced them {Matthew 21:43} so after his last breath on the torture stake {John 19:30} the large curtain between the holy and most holy room in the temple reaped apart {Matthew 27:51} of course those faithless priests in the temple won't tell their people so they may not correlate such event with the passing away of Jesus who claims he's the Christ (Son of God) Matthew 27:54

So after the Christian congregation has been firmly established God brought His judgment against that faithless nation but before then the chosen nation (Jewish disciples of Christ) has left Judea in obedience to Christ's order! Luke 21:20-24

That was how the disciples of Christ were saved that year but for most Jews living in Judea it was an event they will forever remember throughout their generations!

Contradictions for those who depend on their human intellect

Ubdavis:
Understanding the bible is not even easy because you would see series of contradictions

Naijanascam:
Is the Second Coming and Rapture only meant for the Blacks,Africa and Nigeria in particular?.......

yes

iramure:
yes

Really

No wonder they kept it in ruins because they hope to be taken up to the sky alive as Rapture........ while the whites are building and making their places more liveable.....

The Rapture and Christ Second Coming are two different things.Personal beliefs is immaterialStudy your Bible to understand yourself.The important thing is be prepared to meet God.The Rapture and Christ Second Coming are two different things.Personal beliefs is immaterialStudy your Bible to understand yourself.The important thing is be prepared to meet God....

Tomgerald:
Just like a brother has said earlier, the coming of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and Rapture are two different events!
1. First of all, rapture will take place for the Christians who have cleanse themselves from all filthiness while
2. Jesus will come again after rapture and the millennium reign (which is the reign of Satan and his followers), those who repented and change their ways will be taking to heaven by Jesus himself.
Thank you and happy Sunday.

And you got all these from the bible? Wonderful!

SeriouslySense:
God knows i tried my best, maybe in time you will understand .

Or maybe you are just plain wrong. I guess in time you might learn

EmmyDJourno:
Die, confirm, then come back to tell us

We all would die so what's your point.

phemmyfour:
Show me at least 3 scriptures that support that


1Tess4:16-17
For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.

3 scriptures to support what?
Again why do you need 3 scriptures why not one?

After not realizing how He died for us?

Okay

tctrills:
Or maybe you are just plain wrong. I guess in time you might learn

MaxInDHouse:
If this is your PERSONAL belief do you think it's the same with others?
Because some people's belief may contradict yours!

PLS READ HIS POST AGAIN...BCOZ U GOT IT WRONG...

Tomgerald:
Just like a brother has said earlier, the coming of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and Rapture are two different events!
1. First of all, rapture will take place for the Christians who have cleanse themselves from all filthiness while
2. Jesus will come again after rapture and the millennium reign (which is the reign of Satan and his followers), those who repented and change their ways will be taking to heaven by Jesus himself.
Thank you and happy Sunday.

See that number 2. e get one question wey i wan ask from there.

tctrills:
3 scriptures to support what?
Again why do you need 3 scriptures why not one?

For emphasis and validation sake, you need more than one scripture to back your claims so that you LL not be misinterpreting the bible

E.g Is Christ the Messiah?

The scriptures below and more validated that

Mark 11:9–10; John 12:13)

phemmyfour:
For emphasis and validation sake, you need more than one scripture to back your claims so that you LL not be misinterpreting the bible

E.g Is Christ the Messiah?

The scriptures below and more validated that

Mark 11:9–10; John 12:13)

I did not make any cliams, I asked a question so I don't understand what you want.