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budaatum:
Protesting for your rights and to stop being oppressed is very acceptable to me. I after all would not sit back doing nothing if you are sitting on my neck choking me, and I somehow do not think you'd agree that you should not be violently resisted if you are choking me.

I might be wrong though. You just might want me to not be violent towards you if you are choking me, but what you might want does not in any way dictate what I might do.

British police have been gunning down minorities? The more you know...

So violence is justified if you believe that your reasons are noble.

So say, hypothetically, some British citizens decided to take matters into their own hands about the Islamic child trafficking gangs that the police have mostly ignored, would you keep the same energy? Even though some innocents would get caught up in the collateral damage?

CoolUsername:
British police have been gunning down minorities? The more you know...

So violence is justified if you believe that your reasons are noble.

So say, hypothetically, some British citizens decided to take matters into their own hands about the Islamic child trafficking gangs that the police have mostly ignored, would you keep the same energy? Even though some innocents would get caught up in the collateral damage?

Is that a question or what?

British police who have gunned down minorities or anyone, pay for their gunning down if their gunning down is not justified.

British citizens who decide to take matters into their own hands about the Islamic child trafficking gangs that the police have not mostly ignored would be committing a crime and would end up in jail just as the Jan 6 insurrectionist are being jailed.

And for your information, violence is not justified, especially not if based on whatever one may believe. You might note that I did not say I'd be violent if I believed you were choking me. But if you are actually choking me, as opposed to me just believing you are, I'd be surprised if you think I wouldn't violently fight for my life.

One moment you are saying this

Protesting for your rights and[b] to stop being oppressed is very acceptable to me[/b]. I after all would not sit back doing nothing if you are sitting on my neck choking me, and I somehow do not think you'd agree that you should not be violently resisted if you are choking me.

and another moment you are contradicting yourself.

budaatum:
British citizens who decide to take matters into their own hands about the Islamic child trafficking gangs that the police have not mostly ignored would be committing a crime and would end up in jail just as the Jan 6 insurrectionist are being jailed.

The one guy who protest justice for the victims of the grooming gang was vilified by your kind of people.

Kamala Harris and other democrats were sponsoring rioters by raising funds for them to be bailed after they break the law. but its trump that will cause war to you.

budaatum:
Is that a question or what?

British police who have gunned down minorities or anyone, pay for their gunning down if their gunning down is not justified.

So what exactly were the riots for?

budaatum:
British citizens who decide to take matters into their own hands about the Islamic child trafficking gangs that the police have not mostly ignored would be committing a crime and would end up in jail just as the Jan 6 insurrectionist are being jailed.

Cool, so why won't you condemn violence from BLM and Antifa as I did with the Jan 6 rioters? Why are we arguing in circles here?

budaatum:
And for your information, violence is not justified, especially not if based on whatever one may believe. You might note that I did not say I'd be violent if I believed you were choking me. But if you are actually choking me, as opposed to me just believing you are, I'd be surprised if you think I wouldn't violently fight for my life.

Ok, since violence isn't justified. I'm sure as reasonable people we can agree the violence from BLM and Antifa wasn't justified either. I'm sure we can come together to condemn the Jan 6 rioters and the BLM/Antifa rioters, right?


Right?

CoolUsername:
So what exactly were the riots for?

Which riots? Far Right anti-Muslim riots that had been going on before the sex ring was discovered, or those protesting against Far Right anti-Muslim riots? We did have both over here, in case you do not know, just as America had protesters and rioters at Charlotte.

CoolUsername:
Cool, so why won't you condemn violence from BLM and Antifa as I did with the Jan 6 rioters? Why are we arguing in circles here?

I would condemn violence from BLM and Antifa, except that I don't see the need to since they are a minority and they are not my focus. I won't condemn the BLM and Antifa protesters however, Cool, same way I would not condemn you for resisting me trying to choke you if I were choking you. Na. That's not exactly true. I likely might condemn you resisting me trying to choke you if I were choking you since you'd be stopping me from achieving my desired goal to choke you if I were choking you. I'm biased that way, I guess. I will condemn the Jan 6 insurrectionists however, because they were rioting based on a lie.

Think EndSars. I do condemn them for looting and rioting (they completely destroyed my local government building!), but I most definitely do support their cause which was against police brutality.

CoolUsername:
Ok, since violence isn't justified. I'm sure as reasonable people we can agree the violence from BLM and Antifa wasn't justified either. I'm sure we can come together to condemn the Jan 6 rioters and the BLM/Antifa rioters, right?
Right?

I know you don't like my apparent contradiction, but I'm afraid you will need to learn to square a circle.

My violence against you choking me is very justified. But your violence against me choking you is not justified at all by me, because you would be stopping me from achieving my desired goal which is to choke you.

Not all BLM/Antifa protests were riots. Here in UK BLM/Antifa did not riot though they did protest, and if the Jan 6 had been a peaceful protest I'd not have much to object to apart from their ignorance at believing a lie. They however went a tad too far, which is why they are ending up in jail, and which is where the BLM/Antifas who protested violently should hopefully end up too.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/02/22/fact-check-thousands-black-lives-matter-protesters-arrested-2020/6816074001/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qASOp_O92U

https://wolfstreet.com/2022/09/18/the-wolf-street-report-this-inflation-will-be-tough-to-get-under-control/

budaatum:
Which riots? Far Right anti-Muslim riots that had been going on before the sex ring was discovered, or those protesting against Far Right anti-Muslim riots? We did have both over here, in case you do not know, just as America had protesters and rioters at Charlotte.


I would condemn violence from BLM and Antifa, except that I don't see the need to since they are a minority and they are not my focus. I won't condemn the BLM and Antifa protesters however, Cool, same way I would not condemn you for resisting me trying to choke you if I were choking you. Na. That's not exactly true. I likely might condemn you resisting me trying to choke you if I were choking you since you'd be stopping me from achieving my desired goal to choke you if I were choking you. I'm biased that way, I guess. I will condemn the Jan 6 insurrectionists however, because they were rioting based on a lie.

Think EndSars. I do condemn them for looting and rioting (they completely destroyed my local government building!), but I most definitely do support their cause which was against police brutality.


I know you don't like my apparent contradiction, but I'm afraid you will need to learn to square a circle.

My violence against you choking me is very justified. But your violence against me choking you is not justified at all by me, because you would be stopping me from achieving my desired goal which is to choke you.

Not all BLM/Antifa protests were riots. Here in UK BLM/Antifa did not riot though they did protest, and if the Jan 6 had been a peaceful protest I'd not have much to object to apart from their ignorance at believing a lie. They however went a tad too far, which is why they are ending up in jail, and which is where the BLM/Antifas who protested violently should hopefully end up too.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/02/22/fact-check-thousands-black-lives-matter-protesters-arrested-2020/6816074001/

Antifa BLM are gang of thugs financed by democrats.
They are used when democrats want to drive an agenda
A whole summer of rioting n burning , democrats demanded the head of GF accused.
They are also used to break up conservative speakers in campuses or when they are holding a protest. These thugs always show up to silence dissenting views . Or to create chaos.
Basically the democrats private army.

budaatum:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qASOp_O92U

https://wolfstreet.com/2022/09/18/the-wolf-street-report-this-inflation-will-be-tough-to-get-under-control/

My 2cents.

This is quite common nowadays except maybe in 3rd world and perhaps some 2nd world countries where safetynet is rare. Government jumping in with all sort of goodies (circa $500) to provide some relief. Same is happening in the UK, Canada, Australia e.t.c. That being said. I don't think the one-off payments would help the recipients much neither would it drive up inflation that much as well (if at all).

The $2k the governor is pushing for in Pennsylvania for about 250,000 residents is likely not going to fly and the voters will blame the GOP controlled state house and state senate. It's more like a political stunt TBH since election is in 10 weeks for all members of the state house and half the state senate.

$500 might pass but $2,000 is an overkill.

saxywale2:
My 2cents.

This is quite common nowadays except maybe in 3rd world and perhaps some 2nd world countries where safetynet is rare. Government jumping in with all sort of goodies (circa $500) to provide some relief. Same is happening in the UK, Canada, Australia e.t.c. That being said. I don't think the one-off payments would help the recipients much neither would it drive up inflation that much as well (if at all).

The $2k the governor is pushing for in Pennsylvania for about 250,000 residents is likely not going to fly and the voters will blame the GOP controlled state house and state senate. It's more like a political stunt TBH since election is in 10 weeks for all members of the state house and half the state senate.

$500 might pass but $2,000 is an overkill.

A safety net if a state can afford is good. Short term Some people will not bother getting a job because their basic needs are being met and they don't have to wake up early and be ordered around
Eventually productivity falls

Inflation also sets in, prices rice because business know that their customers can afford.
Speaking of which, I saw someone on YouTube comments praying Biden forgives student debt ,which will add him 1500 per month that he says will enable him travel around the world

basilico:
A safety net if a state can afford is good. Short term Some people will not bother getting a job because their basic needs are being met and they don't have to wake up early and be ordered around
Eventually productivity falls

Inflation also sets in, prices rice because business know that their customers can afford.
Speaking of which, I saw someone on YouTube comments praying Biden forgives student debt ,which will add him 1500 per month that he says will enable him travel around the world

When I mentioned safety net, I am talking about combination of overall safety net like unemployment insurance/job seekers allowance (they have term limits to prevent abuse), food banks, tax credit for low income families, child benefit, student grants for students from low income families e.t.c Either Republican or Dem or independent, no party or individual will take those away. They are one of the factors that makes a country 1st world or developed.

In my previous post, I included a clause to the one-off payments budatuum posted about:

"That being said. I don't think the one-off payments would help the recipients much"

Anyone that leaves a job because of $500 one off payment must be a very foolish person. That's like one month of grocery shopping. No one can solely live on that for a month let alone one year.

While I do not 100% support student loan forgiveness (I paid mine in full - about $40,000), I also do not have a crab in a bucket mentality. The recipient should be grateful as such gestures of goodwill are rare. I also do not 100% support other forgiveness of debts like the PPP loan alot of Republican politicians and their families got were forgiven. That could also be detrimental to the fight against inflation too.

As per the $1500 per month additional savings? Does his student loan have a $150,000 balance? I thought Biden only waived around $10k - $20k.

saxywale2:
When I mentioned safety net, I am talking about combination of overall safety net like unemployment insurance/job seekers allowance (they have term limits to prevent abuse), food banks, tax credit for low income families, child benefit, student grants for students from low income families e.t.c Either Republican or Dem or independent, no party or individual will take those away. They are one of the factors that makes a country 1st world or developed.

In my previous post, I included a clause to the one-off payments budatuum posted about:

"That being said. I don't think the one-off payments would help the recipients much"

Anyone that leaves a job because of $500 one off payment must be a very foolish person. That's like one month of grocery shopping. No one can solely live on that for a month let alone one year.

While I do not 100% support student loan forgiveness (I paid mine in full - about $40,000), I also do not have a crab in a bucket mentality. The recipient should be grateful as such gestures of goodwill are rare. I also do not 100% support other forgiveness of debts like the PPP loan alot of Republican politicians and their families got were forgiven. That could also be detrimental to the fight against inflation too.

As per the $1500 per month additional savings? Does his student loan have a $150,000 balance? I thought Biden only waived around $10k - $20k.

Im no expert on finance apart from balancing my paycheck. I like reading feedback comments on social forums like FB, twatter or youtube.This guy was like he is burdened by the loans his idea of getting extra relief was for pure personal pleasure ... Lets say the comments from those ( like you) who paid off were not pleasant

Covid relief PPP was scammed by quite a number of companies and individuals. Both Republican n Democrats

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/covid-relief-fraud-ppp-billions-taxpayer-funded-paycheck-protection-program-loans

budaatum:
Which riots? Far Right anti-Muslim riots that had been going on before the sex ring was discovered, or those protesting against Far Right anti-Muslim riots? We did have both over here, in case you do not know, just as America had protesters and rioters at Charlotte.

You are calling a march and protest a riot
but you will call anti-fa riots protest

budaatum:
I would condemn violence from BLM and Antifa, except that I don't see the need to since they are a minority and they are not my focus.

So if they are a minority, you won't condemn them? A minority that caused deaths and held cities hostage and burn down police stations, beat up elderly people, harass innocent people eating at a restaurant should not be condemned because they are minorities, they are not your focus you said...

budaatum:
I won't condemn the BLM and Antifa protesters however, Cool, same way I would not condemn you for resisting me trying to choke you if I were choking you.

Again, Noticed how he used to protest for Antifa and BLM even though an entire block was completely burnt down. He is not even trying to be reasonable, all he does he to show how brainwashed he is. and how he has been coached to love fascists and violence as long as they go after people he has been told to hate.

you

budaatum:
Think EndSars. I do condemn them for looting and rioting (they completely destroyed my local government building!), but I most definitely do support their cause which was against police brutality.

also you

budaatum:
I would condemn violence from BLM and Antifa, except that I don't see the need to since they are a minority and they are not my focus.

and again

budaatum:
I won't condemn the BLM and Antifa protesters however, Cool, same way I would not condemn you for resisting me trying to choke you if I were choking you.

Antifa and BLM did far worse than endsar. EndSars is a riot but Antifa and BLM is protests

budaatum:
I know you don't like my apparent contradiction, but I'm afraid you will need to learn to square a circle.

No one should like a walking contradiction

My violence against you choking me is very justified. But your violence against me choking you is not justified at all by me, because you would be stopping me from achieving my desired goal which is to choke you.

budaatum:
Not all BLM/Antifa protests were riots. Here in UK BLM/Antifa did not riot though they did protest, and if the Jan 6 had been a peaceful protest I'd not have much to object to apart from their ignorance at believing a lie. They however went a tad too far, which is why they are ending up in jail, and which is where the BLM/Antifas who protested violently should hopefully end up too.

UK Riots lie to yourself as you please but you are not fooling anyone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWNUu4Q6MzQ

budaatum:
Which riots? Far Right anti-Muslim riots that had been going on before the sex ring was discovered, or those protesting against Far Right anti-Muslim riots? We did have both over here, in case you do not know, just as America had protesters and rioters at Charlotte.


I would condemn violence from BLM and Antifa, except that I don't see the need to since they are a minority and they are not my focus. I won't condemn the BLM and Antifa protesters however, Cool, same way I would not condemn you for resisting me trying to choke you if I were choking you. Na. That's not exactly true. I likely might condemn you resisting me trying to choke you if I were choking you since you'd be stopping me from achieving my desired goal to choke you if I were choking you. I'm biased that way, I guess. I will condemn the Jan 6 insurrectionists however, because they were rioting based on a lie.

Think EndSars. I do condemn them for looting and rioting (they completely destroyed my local government building!), but I most definitely do support their cause which was against police brutality.


I know you don't like my apparent contradiction, but I'm afraid you will need to learn to square a circle.

My violence against you choking me is very justified. But your violence against me choking you is not justified at all by me, because you would be stopping me from achieving my desired goal which is to choke you.

Not all BLM/Antifa protests were riots. Here in UK BLM/Antifa did not riot though they did protest, and if the Jan 6 had been a peaceful protest I'd not have much to object to apart from their ignorance at believing a lie. They however went a tad too far, which is why they are ending up in jail, and which is where the BLM/Antifas who protested violently should hopefully end up too.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/02/22/fact-check-thousands-black-lives-matter-protesters-arrested-2020/6816074001/

So we can condemn the extremists without lumping everyone from the group in, right? Then let us do that.

Let's not lump in everyone who wants increased border security with racists.

Let's not lump in everyone who is skeptical about the Operation Warp Speed Covid vaccine with anti-vaxxers.

Let's not lump in everyone who didn't think the 2020 elections were free and fair with insurrectionists.

CoolUsername:
So we can condemn the extremists without lumping everyone from the group in, right? Then let us do that.

Let's not lump in everyone who wants increased border security with racists.

Let's not lump in everyone who is skeptical about the Operation Warp Speed Covid vaccine with anti-vaxxers.

Let's not lump in everyone who didn't think the 2020 elections were free and fair with insurrectionists.

Those who lump in everyone as you write above are stupid and ignorant.

Note how I don't lump you with the likes of Ben and Bas. There must be a reason for it.

budaatum:
Those who lump in everyone as you write above are stupid and ignorant.

Note how I don't lump you with the likes of Ben and Bas. There must be a reason for it.

Commenting like you are the sharpest tool in the shed while all you do is run away from topics every time

basilico:
Commenting like you are the sharpest tool in the shed while all you do is run away from topics every time

It is you I run away from, bas. I do not want to be infected with your ignorance and non-brain use, so I immune myself by avoiding you when I want to.

If you want my attention, you just have to use your brain and resist telling lies.

budaatum:
It is you I run away from, bas. I do not want to be infected with your ignorance and non-brain use, so I immune myself by avoiding you when I want to.

If you want my attention, you just have to use your brain and resist telling lies.

What lies have I told? That you ran away from topics and bring up irrelevant stuff stiffling a good convo?

basilico:
What lies have I told? That you ran away from topics and bring up irrelevant stuff stiffling a good convo?

As I said and have said many times, "If you want my attention, you just have to use your brain and resist telling lies".

That nice

Criminal trump is now running away from the Special Master, ewoo

Obrigardo:
Criminal trump is now running away from the Special Master, ewoo

After his dodgy judge have him one, lol.

Obrigardo:
Criminal trump is now running away from the Special Master, ewoo

HAAAAAAAAAAA. Miscalculation.

Authorities in Texas have opened a criminal investigation into Gov. Ron DeSantis’ operation to fly roughly 50 Venezuelan migrants from Texas to Martha’s Vineyard last week.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article266044016.html

State lines were crossed. The FBI might be interested as well.

budaatum:
After his dodgy judge have him one, lol.

Whatever sin they have hidden will always come to light. How long can a cult leader like Criminal trump survive? Not too long i guess

saxywale2:
HAAAAAAAAAAA. Miscalculation.

A knife to the heart miscalculation. Shows you the grifters, liars and brain dead dodos that surround the dementia Criminal trump. The sooner the DOJ arrest him and place him in a senior home or even better executed, the better for us all.

saxywale2:
Authorities in Texas have opened a criminal investigation into Gov. Ron DeSantis’ operation to fly roughly 50 Venezuelan migrants from Texas to Martha’s Vineyard last week.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article266044016.html

State lines were crossed. The FBI might be interested as well.

Another democrat engages in witchunt.
Biden had 70 flights into Florida under the cover of darkness,.
Again as you may expect democrats are after smashing republicans, spoiling their reputations and if possible prevent them from runn ing

budaatum:
As I said and have said many times, "If you want my attention, you just have to use your brain and resist telling lies".

I never put that as a fact, I added a disclaimer. The govt has never come clean on what the consulate was upto.

It's not if but when..
Cant' wait

budaatum:
After his dodgy judge have him one, lol.

My understanding of this. Trump declassified the documents. Whatever documents that the Executive sees are copies. The originating document is held by the IC . They have everything they are looking for in the original docs,
Trump only took copies . And the President has a right to declassify, those busy bodies cannot revoke anything that he declassifies.

Long story . Failed effort by FBI because the special master was the judge who signed 4th FISA warrant to spy on Carter Page. The FISA was presented to him was fake, Kevin Klinesmith had altered documents, Igor Danchenko had already told FBI that his sources were bartalk.
The FISA warrant used Steele's dossier which was lies and Mueller knew it too . Igor in March 2017 was put on FBI payroll till the day Durham was appointed to protect him appearing as a witness as he was a CHS. THe FBI lied to the court and to this special master who will go through the documents that the FBI desperately wants to be ones to evaluate

Its a cover up operation by FBI and DOJ . Nothing to see here.
FBI and DOJ better concetrate their withhunt on Jan 6 sham committee which will not call Pelosi and Mayor of DC to ask them why they rejected 10000 National Guards on Jan 6.

Anyway your TDS cannot let you see anything wrong DOJ or FBI is doing

American Justice system can be this sweet.
Judge Dearie is asking Criminal trump - tell me how you declassified the docs?
Criminal trump is squealing that he can't reveal it because it is his defense when he eventually gets
indicted and criminally charged.
So Judge Dearie is saying to the idiot, tell me now or the docs won't be returned to you.

Noice

So Criminal trump has two responses in the next watershed hours

a, Criminal trump's response due in 11th Circuit
b, Dearie convenes hearing, open to the public

So will Criminal trump now tell the 11th Circuit that "maybe" he declassified the docs?
Then Dearie is just going to wrap up this thing a lot quicker lol

basilico:
My understanding of this. Trump declassified the documents.

Your total understanding from that point was and is pure trash, doesn't make any sense even with the many paragraphs you could muster.
None of the agencies involved in the docs ever proved Criminal trump went through declassification process.
The Former criminal president didn't declassify by speaking into thing air like abracadabra and the docs were declassified.

I won't be surprised that's what you think Criminal trump did, he just said i declassify all, and the docs became declassified