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Sixfiguresmart:
Good that you are digging deep in the scriptures now to authenticate your quran just as mohammed commanded you to ask the christians. As a Christian, let me teach you haha. God was talking to Jesus in those contexts. Jesus is at the right hand side of God. The Bible said that all thing was made THROUGH Jesus and Jesus work with the father. The Bible also says that they are in union, meaning that they work with a common objective. In the Bible, Jesus said that God taught him, Jesus everything that he does and say. He loves his father and his father loves him.

So, who was allah talking to?

Does allah also have a son?

When allah said we, does that overule when he said that he was alone?

When allah said us, does that insinuate that he has a son with al uzza that he hides away from muslims?

The Hebrew God.

The idea that the Hebrew religion was based on “one God” is outrageous nonsense. They worshipped many gods and in the Old Testament texts they refer again and again to god in the plural, as with Elohim. The Jewish singular “god”, El, comes from the name Elohim, which is plural.

El, in the Edda relates to all this. But in the English translations the plural gods are turned into the singular God. The first line of Genesis “In the Beginning God created the heaven and the Earth”actually reads in the Hebrew: “In the beginning the gods created the heavens and the Earth.”

The word Elohim, plural, is used 30 times in Genesis and 2,570 times in all. These include the terms: And the elohim said let us make men in our live “image”; the elohim said “come let us go down” in the story of the Tower of Babel; and “Behold, the man has become like one of us, to know good and evil” in the Garden of Eden.

Also in Genesis we have: “And elohim said, Let us make Adam”. Terms like Yahveh-elohim or Yahveh of the gods, is translated as Lord and Lord God to hide the truth. It was impossible to eliminate “the gods” when these texts were first written because the whole of the world was worshipping a vast range of gods.

The King James Version of the Bible, the most used translation of them all, was sponsored by King James 1st, the first king of England and Scotland, who took the joint throne after the death of Elizabeth 1st in 1603.

Even most of the “new” Bibles are only updates of the King James Version. The “King James” removed a lot of marginal notes included in its predecessor, the so-called Geneva Bible, published in 1560. The king wanted to revise the Bible text because, like his mother, Mary Stuart, he believed totally in the “divine right of kings” in which the monarch answered to no one except “God”(the gods).

The Geneva Bible included phrases he did not like in relation to this “divine right” and so he had them removed.

The Old Testament was joined by the name of “New” with the founding of Christianity, a religion that was based on the same Levite fables. In fact, there was no “New Testament”until the 4th century AD.

That’s a long time for the texts to be formulated for a religion that supposed to have been started 300 years earlier. And who arranged for all this? The Roman Emperor Constantine the “Great”after AD325. He was the official head of a Roman Empire.

Go do your research to verify.

PoliteActivist:
The royal "we".
As when the president or monarch says we - he actually means just himself

In the books before Islam, God never referred to Himself as We!
Check the Zabur, Injeel ,Taurat for confirmation.

wolesmile:
The Hebrew God.

The idea that the Hebrew religion was based on “one God” is outrageous nonsense. They worshipped many gods and in the Old Testament texts they refer again and again to god in the plural, as with Elohim. The Jewish singular “god”, El, comes from the name Elohim, which is plural.

El, in the Edda relates to all this. But in the English translations the plural gods are turned into the singular God. The first line of Genesis “In the Beginning God created the heaven and the Earth”actually reads in the Hebrew: “In the beginning the gods created the heavens and the Earth.”

The word Elohim, plural, is used 30 times in Genesis and 2,570 times in all. These include the terms: And the elohim said let us make men in our live “image”; the elohim said “come let us go down” in the story of the Tower of Babel; and “Behold, the man has become like one of us, to know good and evil” in the Garden of Eden.

Also in Genesis we have: “And elohim said, Let us make Adam”. Terms like Yahveh-elohim or Yahveh of the gods, is translated as Lord and Lord God to hide the truth. It was impossible to eliminate “the gods” when these texts were first written because the whole of the world was worshipping a vast range of gods.

The King James Version of the Bible, the most used translation of them all, was sponsored by King James 1st, the first king of England and Scotland, who took the joint throne after the death of Elizabeth 1st in 1603.

Even most of the “new” Bibles are only updates of the King James Version. The “King James” removed a lot of marginal notes included in its predecessor, the so-called Geneva Bible, published in 1560. The king wanted to revise the Bible text because, like his mother, Mary Stuart, he believed totally in the “divine right of kings” in which the monarch answered to no one except “God”(the gods).

The Geneva Bible included phrases he did not like in relation to this “divine right” and so he had them removed.

The Old Testament was joined by the name of “New” with the founding of Christianity, a religion that was based on the same Levite fables. In fact, there was no “New Testament”until the 4th century AD.

That’s a long time for the texts to be formulated for a religion that supposed to have been started 300 years earlier. And who arranged for all this? The Roman Emperor Constantine the “Great”after AD325. He was the official head of a Roman Empire.

Go do your research to verify.

Let me be your research. BTW, It took you a week to research your comment. Thank God that you finally reached a conclusion. Anyways, let's get to it.

You do exactly the same thing that you accuse the Jews of. Each time that you refer to a single individual as "ARE" in English, you are committing the same crime.

Some words referring to multiple things are grouped as one and some referring to one is collected as many.
You ARE the ONE; 'Are' here is essentially a plural verb but used for one person.

The sheep are healthy; 'Are' here references multiple sheep, not one.

Saying that elohim means multiple gods, you have to be aware that in Hebrew, allah means Elohim too.

If the quran were translated to Hebrew, you will eschew your argument. The delusion in your argument will manifest.

You are quoting Genesis but right there it clearly says that the very one talking is God. Wholly or completely, God SAID. In every indication if they were polytheistic, it would have read, the father said or the spirit said, but individually God, Wholly said.

budaatum:
Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

Would you therefore claim that God is polytheistic too or that "God created children out of emitted sperm"?

Yes God was not talking to himself

TenQ:
In the books before Islam, God never referred to Himself as We!
Check the Zabur, Injeel ,Taurat for confirmation.

This is totally untrue.
The Bible was long b4 Koran:

Gen. 1 Verse 26
[26] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

PoliteActivist:
This is totally untrue.
The Bible was long b4 Koran:

Gen. 1 Verse 26
[26] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

I was very careful with my choice of words. God never referred to Himself as WE!
Check it out.

Sixfiguresmart:
surah 56:66 We have been penalized.

By who?

Did you notice that allah..... Mary! Allah gives you good news of a Word from Him, his name will be the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary; honoured in this world and the Hereafter, and he will be one of those nearest ˹to Allah˺.

what does Messiah mean to Muslims?

God is the divine Father hence He is in a respectable post like a King hence use the word 'We'.

Devotees treat God as Father and God is the Divine Father and not the biological father. If God is the biological father, all the male souls and female souls that are created must be brothers and sisters, in which case marriages should not take place. If God had a wife and if His wife carried on each soul as the child in her womb and then delivered the child, in such case God can be the biological father.

God has created the soul like the biological father and the nature or creation or Prakruti has created the body for the soul by the power of God only. Inert Prakruti can’t be the non-inert biological mother so that we can give equal credit as given to the mother. The process of birth of the child from biological parents is quite different from the birth of a soul with body from God and nature. There are several occasions when God created the soul with body by His will as in the case of the birth of God Viirabhadra from the hair-lock of the head of God Shiva. Here, God created nature while the biological father does not create the biological mother.

Hence, when the Gita says that God is the father like seed giving birth to a tree (Ahaṃ bīja pradaḥ pitā), it means that God is the creator of the seed, which does not mean that He is not the creator of earth that forms the body of the plant. Here, the simile is not a complete simile because God created the earth as well just as He created the seed. Simile shall be taken as a partial comparison only. God is said to be the intellectual as well as the material cause of the creation (Abhinna nimittopādāna kāraṇaṃ Brahma). Hence, God is the Divine Father, who is the total cause for the soul and its body.

People mock at God Brahma, who married Goddess Sarasvati even though she is His daughter. Is she His biological daughter? If so, where is her biological mother. If you say that since God Brahma created Sarasvati, she must be His biological daughter only. Then, God Brahma created all the human beings as He created Sarasvati. In such a case, all the human beings must be sons and daughters of God Brahma alone and should not perform marriages within themselves. When you criticize others, you must examine yourself. In the same way, God created Adam and Eve, who became husband and wife.

Sixfiguresmart:
Let me be your research. BTW, It took you a week to research your comment. Thank God that you finally reached a conclusion. Anyways, let's get to it.

You do exactly the same thing that you accuse the Jews of. Each time that you refer to a single individual as "ARE" in English, you are committing the same crime.

Some words referring to multiple things are grouped as one and some referring to one is collected as many.
You ARE the ONE; 'Are' here is essentially a plural verb but used for one person.

The sheep are healthy; 'Are' here references multiple sheep, not one.

Saying that elohim means multiple gods, you have to be aware that in Hebrew, allah means Elohim too.

If the quran were translated to Hebrew, you will eschew your argument. The delusion in your argument will manifest.

You are quoting Genesis but right there it clearly says that the very one talking is God. Wholly or completely, God SAID. In every indication if they were polytheistic, it would have read, the father said or the spirit said, but individually God, Wholly said.

If I like I can take a whole year to respond. I don't spend my whole time on the internet. We all have other engagements.
Perhaps I should remind you that your Bible was translated from Hebrew and Greek texts.
You also need to go research on how King James the first had the Bible translated to suit his own manipulative purposes.

TenQ:
I was very careful with my choice of words. God never referred to Himself as WE!
Check it out.

No one can possible be this dense. So I know you are pretending. We and us are synonymous. Ok, God said "let we make man in our image". Is that better?

PoliteActivist:
No one can possible be this dense. So I know you are pretending. We and us are synonymous. Ok, God said "let we make man in our image". Is that better?

Does God refer to Himself as WE in the bible. In the Qur'an, the only pronoun Allah uses for himself is WE and never "I", "ME" not "MY". Throughout the Qur'an my friend.

But since you didn't know, no offence.

Hence I said:
I was very careful with my choice of words. God never referred to Himself as "WE" in the bible!
Check it out.

PoliteActivist:
This is totally untrue.
The Bible was long b4 Koran:
Gen. 1 Verse 26
[26] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

God was discussing with His only begotten Son who was with God before the creation of other things! Proverbs 8:22-31; John 1:1-2; Colossians 1:15-16

MaxInDHouse:
God was discussing with His only begotten Son who was with God before the creation of other things! Proverbs 8:22-31; John 1:1-2; Colossians 1:15-16

I disagree.

God was talking to the earth. She provided the dust for making the body..

sonmvayina:
I disagree.
God was talking to the earth. She provided the dust for making the body..

No wahala at least God was talking to someone the only difference here is that i believe God spoke with another supernatural being while you believe God spoke to Earth, shey?
It is well!

MaxInDHouse:
No wahala at least God was talking to someone the only difference here is that i believe God spoke with another supernatural being while you believe God spoke to Earth, shey?
It is well!

But yours can't not be substantiated..

How come Abraham and Moses never knew about Jesus. And he even said in Deuteronomy 6:4 that God is one...
So...

sonmvayina:
But yours can't not be substantiated..
How come Abraham and Moses never knew about Jesus. And he even said in Deuteronomy 6:4 that God is one...
So...

Your question is really amusing!
How can your ancestors who lived centuries before you know anything about you?
Come on the book says both Abraham and Moses died over a thousand years before the birth of Jesus so how can they possibly know him?

MaxInDHouse:
Your question is really amusing!
How can your ancestors who lived centuries before you know anything about you?
Come on the book says both Abraham and Moses died over a thousand years before the birth of Jesus so how can they possibly know him?

Lol..

So who was God talking to in genesis 1:26

Akpakpu

sonmvayina:
Lol..
So who was God talking to in genesis 1:26
Akpakpu

To His only begotten (spirit) Son who was with Him before the creation of all other things! Colossians 1:15-16
If you're doubting the gospels what about the account at Proverbs 8:22-31

MaxInDHouse:
To His only begotten (spirit) Son who was with Him before the creation of all other things! Colossians 1:15-16
If you're doubting the gospels what about the account at Proverbs 8:22-31

Lol..common maxindhouse. You are clever than this..

Proverbs 8 is a song about "wisdom"
Wisdom was personified.

I will advice you to read the whole of genesis 1 and 2 in context
You will find out he was not talking to jesus but to the earth. I wish I can sit you down and really give you a good lecture..

But...add me on WhatsApp, don't worry, am on berekete...I will call you

Oh ate oh tiri tiri six ate tiri ate tiri six

wolesmile:
If I like I can take a whole year to respond. I don't spend my whole time on the internet. We all have other engagements.
Perhaps I should remind you that your Bible was translated from Hebrew and Greek texts.
You also need to go research on how King James the first had the Bible translated to suit his own manipulative purposes.

Sir, it takes me two minutes to type this cos' I have all the information in my little head.

You cannot hide ignorance behind the curtain of time. We are all busy people. If you are ignorant state it and knowledge will be afforded you.

Your argument is disjointed and lackluster. Where are you driving at. What really are you trying to say? Shoot, bro! I can barely understand you. You came up fuming like you got a killer punch line but is this comment meant to be an update or an information? hahahahaha I just can't with you, Sir. You sound like a missing child who has missed 6 main course meals.

No one contests here that the Bible was translated from Hebrew and Greek. As a matter of fact, we say it loudly because the string of history indemnifies the veracity of the Bible in English.

KJB did some alterations, that is correct. We do not hold the king James as the pre-eminent Bible. The KJB is only about 400 years. The King James happens to be, not the first translated, but the first completely translated version of the Bible IN ENGLISH. Before English, the Bible had already been completely translated in Latin, in Spanish, in French, in Syriac, etc.

Note the KEYWORD: ENGLISH. And, it was not the first to translate the Bible to English, but COMPLETELY TRNSLATE. So, the Bible had partly been translated and circulated in English before the KJB. Also, note that it is called King James VERSION not translation. Because, they plagiarized previous translations.

With that covered, the errors in the KJB can easily be fixed. How? Simple, check the earlier translations to other languages. Most profoundly, go earlier than the French and Spanish. Go to Syriac, which is a language spoken around Egypt and Syria at the time Jesus was here on earth. So, the contents would be covered. They had the Bible. Boom! You can fix the error nice and easy.

In the quran, Mohammed at around 640 CE stated that the book that the Christians and Jews had WAS SENT TO US BY ALLAH. The last scroll of the Bible was written about 550 years by the apostle John before Mohammed said those words.

Which means that according to Mohammed, the Christians preserved the Bible for 550 years. That is an excellent record. And, also since Moses got it about 3000 years earlier, Mohammed testified that the Jews preserved the Torah for 3500 years.

Islam is only 1400 years. If the Jews could preserve the Torah that Mohammed saw in 640 CE and testified in the quran that it is a book from God, Why would they have a problem preserving it for this 1400 years that Islam has existed?

Why didn't the Muslims keep a copy of at least of those original and Mohammed-certified copies to show us today? Why they burn these books that Mohammed certified knowing that Mohammed insists that it is an authenticating authority for the quran?

Back to your comment, regardless of how any twists the Bible today, we still have the Hebrew texts. We can go and verify if one's translation is right or wrong. That is how we were able to spot the erroneous insertion in the KJB.

Let us take it to the quran now. The Birmingham scroll of the quran which is the oldest copy of the quran has no diacritics. Who inserted the diacritics in the quran of today? Would you call the diacritics errors or deceits? And, according to the carbon date, it was written before Mohammed was born or became a prophet so I wonder how that happened.

I will attach it here for your edification.

If you can download it on your device and go ask your mullah that if allah forgot to wrote the diacritics, why did someone else help him to do it.

Also, ask him who decided the actual diacritics to insert to a word.

Muslims brag that the quran is just as allah sent it dot for dot and letter for letter. Kindly show your Imam or mullah this oldest quran and ask the questions above.

Why are the dots different? Why are the letters different?

If you know anything about Arabic, one single diacritic can change a word completely.

Press them on who decided what diacritic goes on a letter.

sonmvayina:
Lol..common maxindhouse. You are clever than this.. Proverbs 8 is a song about "wisdom" Wisdom was personified. I will advice you to read the whole of genesis 1 and 2 in context You will find out he was not talking to jesus but to the earth. I wish I can sit you down and really give you a good lecture..
But...add me on WhatsApp, don't worry, am on berekete...I will call you
Oh ate oh tiri tiri six ate tiri ate tiri six

OK wisdom is "PERSONIFIED" saying he was with God before creation and that he worked with God during creation and that he loves humans most, shey?

Ọmọ can you present the BENEFITS of this your so called wisdom? because i can testify to the WISDOM of God that once walked this planet: Jesus Christ! 1Corinthians 1:24

He walked this planet and laid the foundation for pure worship {Matthew 16:18} called "Christianity" in the city of Antioch {Act 11:26} this is what we are using today and God's word at Isaiah 2:2-4 and Micah 4:1-3 has come to reality!

So if you can't point, present, show, tell me the PRACTICAL BENEFITS of this WISDOM then there's no reason chatting you on WhatsApp i talk to people with whom i can find BENEFITS of what i wasted my precious time and data for not just stories! 1Corinthians 9:26 Compare to Ephesians 5:15-16

MaxInDHouse:
OK wisdom is "PERSONIFIED" saying he was with God before creation and that he worked with God during creation and that he loves humans most, shey?

Ọmọ can you present the BENEFITS of this your so called wisdom? because i can testify to the WISDOM of God that once walked this planet: Jesus Christ! 1Corinthians 1:24

He walked this planet and laid the foundation for pure worship {Matthew 16:18} called "Christianity" in the city of Antioch {Act 11:26} this is what we are using today and God's word at Isaiah 2:2-4 and Micah 4:1-3 has come to reality!

So if you can't point, present, show, tell me the PRACTICAL BENEFITS of this WISDOM then there's no reason chatting you on WhatsApp i talk to people with whom i can find BENEFITS of what i wasted my precious time and data for not just stories! 1Corinthians 9:26 Compare to Ephesians 5:15-16

There is no such thing like pure or good idolatry..

No matter how good you think your group is as long as they disobey Gods commandments they are not of God...

You follow mark Mathew ,Luke John and Paul, whoever they are...not the creator and the laws he laid down.

sonmvayina:
There is no such thing like pure or good idolatry.. No matter how good you think your group is as long as they disobey Gods commandments they are not of God...
You follow mark Mathew ,Luke John and Paul, whoever they are...not the creator and the laws he laid down.

How do you distinguish between true religion and false religion?
Ọmọ it's by the production not just what you read in books that's not practicable nor beneficial.
So claiming a group that's performing great throughout the earth is idolatrous shows how low your IQ because the only evidence of pure worship is PERFORMANCE not rules that you can't apply for the good of anyone!

MaxInDHouse:
How do you distinguish between true religion and false religion?
Ọmọ it's by the production not just what you read in books that's not practicable nor beneficial.
So claiming a group that's performing great throughout the earth is idolatrous shows how low your IQ because the only evidence of pure worship is PERFORMANCE not rules that you can't apply for the good of anyone!

Why did God hate the other cities in the old testament?

Maxindhouse, true religion will be obeying God's commandments to the letter just like he wants, time after time he says "obedience is better than sacrifice"

A bad religion will be doing the opposite of what the law prohibits like human sacrifice when God clearly commanded "thou shall not kill"..

sonmvayina:
Why did God hate the other cities in the old testament?

God never hated anyone!

He sent a warning message to all the nations around Canaan that He's coming with Israel to establish pure worship so all those that joined His people became His people.
That was the covenant He made with the Israelites but today that covenant has become obsolete {Jeremiah 31:33} so He's writing His laws in our hearts unlike the ones He gave the Israelites on tablets.
What you failed to grasp is that God gave the Israelites those laws for a purpose that's why people like Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph never lived by those laws yet God related well with them because the laws was to establish a nation not for individuals who will hold it in isolation.
All those people lived without those laws and were accepted because God hasn't decided to establish an organization then.
That's why i'm asking you now to present an organized people making use of that Torah to BENEFITS because in the absence of such then it's either your Torah is needless or your God failed!

sonmvayina:
Maxindhouse, true religion will be obeying God's commandments to the letter just like he wants, time after time he says "obedience is better than sacrifice"
A bad religion will be doing the opposite of what the law prohibits like human sacrifice when God clearly commanded "thou shall not kill"..

We are not killing anyone on the other hand it's people like you who are killing your neighbours for your god: POLITICS!
In the face of politics today you will kill anyone whether they uphold your Torah or not whereas we must not practice politics nor kill anyone for any reason whatsoever!

MaxInDHouse:
We are not killing anyone on the other hand it's people like you who are killing your neighbours for your god: POLITICS!
In the face of politics today you will kill anyone whether they uphold your Torah or not whereas we must not practice politics nor kill anyone for any reason whatsoever!

I wan laff belle tear...

Please stay on discuss..

MaxInDHouse:
God never hated anyone!

He sent a warning message to all the nations around Canaan that He's coming with Israel to establish pure worship so all those that joined His people became His people.
That was the covenant He made with the Israelites but today that covenant has become obsolete {Jeremiah 31:33} so He's writing His laws in our hearts unlike the ones He gave the Israelites on tablets.
What you failed to grasp is that God gave the Israelites those laws for a purpose that's why people like Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph never lived by those laws yet God related well with them because the laws was to establish a nation not for individuals who will hold it in isolation.
All those people lived without those laws and were accepted because God hasn't decided to establish an organization then.
That's why i'm asking you now to present an organized people making use of that Torah to BENEFITS because in the absence of such then it's either your Torah is needless or your God failed!

Lol .who made the Torah obsolete? Funny you.

The Torah is forever....those people you mentioned are part of the Torah. The Torah is the first 5 books of the bible..

sonmvayina:
Lol .who made the Torah obsolete? Funny you.
The Torah is forever....those people you mentioned are part of the Torah. The Torah is the first 5 books of the bible..

The Torah you're referring to is the laws that was stated in the Bible book of Exodus it was written after Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob Joseph were dead!
So God's laws those people lived by is not what you're quoting in the book of Exodus!