Why did Judas betray Jesus, is because of the fulfillment of the scriptures and prophecy, to liberate the mankind from destruction, after Adam fail God in the garden of Eden.

CONTINUE HERE: https://scholarse.com/why-did-judas-betray-jesus/

It was the intention of God for mankind and Angels to have communion together, but the fell of a man results the first coming of Christ to save the world after the time of Flood.

CONTINUE HERE: https://scholarse.com/why-did-judas-betray-jesus/

because it was written

Greed!
No other person can betray you other than a close confidant so Satan is only careful when it comes to selecting someone to use as a bait. Judas Iscariot cherish money {John 12:4-6} that's why Jesus made him the group's treasurer {John 13:29} but due to greed Judas allowed Satan to manipulate him. It's his love for money that led him into such grievous blunder! 1Timothy 6:9-10

So it may not have been him had it been he is not greedy, Satan is only intelligent, calculative and cunning he has no hold on you if you're sticking to the counsel of our Master, Lord and King Christ Jesus! Matthew 7:24-27

MaxInDHouse:
Greed!
No other person can betray you other than a close confidant so Satan is only careful when it comes to selecting someone to use as a bait. Judas Iscariot cherish money {John 12:4-6} that's why Jesus made him the group's treasurer {John 13:29} but due to greed Judas allowed Satan to manipulate him. It's his love for money that led him into such grievous blunder! 1Timothy 6:9-10

So it may not have been him had it been he is not greedy, Satan is only intelligent, calculative and cunning he has no hold on you if you're sticking to the counsel of our Master, Lord and King Christ Jesus! Matthew 7:24-27

well i would delve a bit further

1. Judas was obviously carnally minded
2. He didn't fully believe that Jesus Christ was the Messiah
3. Judas was logical and his "betrayal" of Jesus was calculative, like most people he wanted a win -win situation i.e in his thinking he felt he had a solution to test if Jesus was truly the Messiah and at the same time make money, so his plan of betraying Jesus could lead to one of two things (a) Jesus would escape and save himself thus proving to Judas that Jesus was truly the Messiah, or (b) if Jesus didn't save Himself that meant that He wasn't the Messiah ,in either case he makes money. Unfortunately for Judas and Most people he didn't understand this verse -Isaiah 55: 8-9 "For my Thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My Ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my Ways", by the time Judas realized his folly, he made another grave mistake of committing suicide.

snthesis:

well i would delve a bit further

1. Judas was obviously carnally minded
2. He didn't fully believe that Jesus Christ was the Messiah
3. Judas was logical and his "betrayal" of Jesus was calculative, like most people he wanted a win -win situation i.e in his thinking he felt he had a solution to test if Jesus was truly the Messiah and at the same time make money, so his plan of betraying Jesus could lead to one of two things (a) Jesus would escape and save himself thus proving to Judas that Jesus was truly the Messiah, or (b) if Jesus didn't save Himself that meant that He wasn't the Messiah ,in either case he makes money. Unfortunately for Judas and Most people he didn't understand this verse -Isaiah 55: 8-9 "For my Thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My Ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my Ways", by the time Judas realized his folly, he made another grave mistake of committing suicide.

NO!
Those people deceived Judas Iscariot!
They told him they only want to know him so they can ask him questions, but Judas failed to keep in mind all the things Jesus Christ told them about how he would end his human life {Matthew 16:21} Judas Iscariot thought he's about to make good money freely but after seeing the way those people were mistreating Jesus to the point of killing him Judas couldn't bear the guilt!

Emmato77:
Why did Judas betray Jesus, is because of the fulfillment of the scriptures and prophecy, to liberate the mankind from destruction, after Adam fail God in the garden of Eden.

Did anyone ask Judas if he wanted to play a role in this drama?
If Jesus came to die, why didn’t he just surrender himself instead of destroying Judas in the process?

KnownUnknown:

Did anyone ask Judas if he wanted to play a role in this drama?
If Jesus came to die, why didn’t he just surrender himself instead of destroying Judas in the process?

Of course he surrendered himself but someone just have to betray him since he doesn't dress differently nor behave like their boss, so only a close confidant can do that.
Judas's love for money brought him to Satan's notice just as an intelligent person could predict the person who can betray you for money among your friends!

MaxInDHouse:

Of course he surrendered himself but someone just have to betray him since he doesn't dress differently nor behave like their boss, so only a close confidant can do that.

My questions were rhetorical by the way.
He didn’t surrender. If he had surrendered there would be no need for the so called betrayal. Regardless how he acted amongst them, if his mission was to die and if he knew his mission, there was was need to put Judas in that situation. He obviously didn’t until bloodshed. He could have left them to go to the Roman’s himself without putting Destroying Judas in the process. Just say that’s how the story is written instead of trying to Justify it.

MaxInDHouse:

Judas's love for money brought him to Satan's notice just as an intelligent person could predict the person who can betray you for money among your friends!

What does Satan have to do with this?

KnownUnknown:

My questions were rhetorical by the way.
He didn’t surrender. If he had surrendered there would be no need for the so called betrayal. Regardless how he acted amongst them, if his mission was to die and if he knew his mission, there was was need to put Judas in that situation. He obviously didn’t until bloodshed. He could have left them to go to the Roman’s himself without putting Destroying Judas in the process. Just say that’s how the story is written instead of trying to Justify it. What does Satan have to do with this?

Was it the Romans that wanted him dead?
Remember the Roman governor said his hands is not in this man's death.

Did Judas himself accuse Jesus of anything other than leading the opposition to Jesus?

MaxInDHouse:


Was it the Romans that wanted him dead?
Remember the Roman governor said his hands is not in this man's death.

The stories say the Roman authorities were in charge and put him to death. The Roman governor saying it wasn’t in his hand is not a defense because his troops carried out the execution.
Also, why bother about who wanted him dead when the plan was for him to die? He should have known where to go and who to go to instead of waiting for Judas to destroy himself.
Why paint him like a victim that had enemies when the point of his existence was his execution. The Jews, Romans, and poor Judas are just unwilling cogs in the wheel.
It wasn’t these parties that wanted him dead. He wanted himself dead as the only begotten son that was given to be executed. So why soil the rest of them?

KnownUnknown:

The stories say the Roman authorities were in charge and put him to death. The Roman governor saying it wasn’t in his hand is not a defense because his troops carried out the execution.
Also, why bother about who wanted him dead when the plan was for him to die? He should have known where to go and who to go to instead of waiting for Judas to destroy himself.
Why paint him like a victim that had enemies when the point of his existence was his execution. The Jews, Romans, and poor Judas are just unwilling cogs in the wheel.
It wasn’t these parties that wanted him dead. He wanted himself dead as the only begotten son that was given to be executed. So why soil the rest of them?

He didn't want himself dead!
The plan was for a perfect human blood to be shed on planet earth to redeem obedient descendants of Adam. So Jesus coming was like a lamb whose blood must be shed but the problem is with Satan who doesn't want Jesus to succeed in the mission.
JEHOVAH used a stone to kill two birds, Jesus is to counsel obedient mankind on how to break free from Satan's chains, if any human become wise through Jesus' counsel such a person has conquered Satan because even if Satan should kill the person resurrection is sure. So in a bid to stop Jesus from going about with this counseling Satan began looking for ways to kill Jesus right from the time of his birth. Do you remember the star that led Babylonian sorcerers to where Jesus was laid? Well the star first led them to Herod the great who hated to hear about the birth of the Messiah that has come from another family not from his own palace.
So Satan kept looking for ways to destroy Jesus but God has told Jesus how he will go about the mission until it's time for the ultimate sacrifice to be offered.
Jesus knew the time but Satan didn't all what Satan wanted is for Jesus to give up on the mission and forfeit his crown of glory to rule as the Messiah.
So all the insults, assaults, humiliations, accuse, betrayal and the charge that Jesus blasphem against God is just to break Jesus' integrity.
When Jesus was praying to his father saying:

“Abba, Father, all things are possible for you; remove this cup from me. Yet, not what I want, but what you want.” Mark 14:36

It wasn't death that Jesus was scared of because he trusted his father that his resurrection is sure {John 10:17} but what Satan knew very well is that Jesus can't stand anything that will bring dishonour to his father's name. So by charging Jesus for blasphemy as in speaking against God it's something too much for Jesus to bear!

So calm down and learn if you are willing not just concluding on what you can't decipher!

MaxInDHouse:


He didn't want himself dead!
The plan was for a perfect human blood to be shed on planet earth to redeem obedient descendants of Adam. So Jesus coming was like a lamb whose blood must be shed

So if the plan was for his perfect human blood to be shed, he should have gone to the executioners on his own instead of the drama with Judas. Unless, he was scared and didn’t want to go through with shedding that perfect human blood of his.

Did the plan include unaware participants who didn’t know that they were characters in a planned event?
Would Judas have killed himself if he was told that he was just a patsy?

KnownUnknown:

So if the plan was for his perfect human blood to be shed, he should have gone to the executioners on his own instead of the drama with Judas. Unless, he was scared and didn’t want to go through with shedding that perfect human blood of his.
Did the plan include unaware participants who didn’t know that they were characters in a planned event?
Would Judas has killed himself if he was told that he was just a patsy?

Judas is doomed because what Jesus taught his group is not to be taken lightly, for Judas to have failed to keep what Jesus taught them he caused his own destruction.
Jesus was to counsel obedient mankind so he needed time but Satan was just desperate to thwart that mission that's why Satan was looking to get Jesus dead unknowingly to Satan that Jesus will maintain his integrity to the end! John 19:30

Of course it's a close confidant that must betray Jesus after all most people only had his name many don't know him facially so Judas fell for the bait it's not compulsory that it must be him!

MaxInDHouse:


Judas is doomed because what Jesus taught his group is not to be taken lightly, for Judas to have failed to keep what Jesus taught them he caused his own destruction.

Of course it's a close confidant that must betray Jesus after all most people only had his name many don't know him facially so Judas fell for the bait it's not compulsory that it must be him!

Why must Jesus doom one of his close confidants and cause that confidant’s suicide if he knew the plan was for him to be executed? He told Peter that Peter would deny him three times, he could have warmed Judas and stop the betrayal by simply giving himself up.
Even if he tried to keep whatever Jesus taught him, it was the plan that a close confidant must betray Jesus so he was a patsy.

In light of this, Judas is not guilty by reason circumstances beyond his own power. Like you said, a close confidant must betray Jesus but why would Jesus approve of such a depraved action that led to Judas’ doom?

KnownUnknown:

Why must Jesus doom one of his close confidants and cause that confidant’s suicide if he knew the plan was for him to be executed? He told Peter that Peter would deny him three times, he could have warmed Judas and stop the betrayal by simply giving himself up.
Even if he tried to keep whatever Jesus taught him, it was the plan that a close confidant must betray Jesus so he was a patsy.
In light of this, Judas is not guilty by reason circumstances beyond his own power. Like you said, a close confidant must betray Jesus but why would Jesus approve of such a depraved action that led to Judas’ doom?

Remember Jesus is no man's brother o!

You only gain through him if you're willing to live by his counsels. All his friends did except Judas who loves money more than himself so it's not Jesus' fault he gave all of them the same chance Judas Iscariot only allowed himself to be used by Satan!

MaxInDHouse:


Remember Jesus is no man's brother o!

You only gain through him if you're willing to live by his counsels. All his friends did except Judas who loves money more than himself so it's not Jesus' fault he gave all of them the same chance Judas Iscariot only allowed himself to be used by Satan!

Which one is it, was Judas used by Satan to betray Jesus or was it Jesus’ plan that Judas betray him?

Satan has no part to play here unless you want to say that he was in cahoots with Jesus to use one of his disciples regardless if it’s Judas or Peter.

Why do you steal meat from your mothers pot as a child? AN$: SIN IS MAN'S NATURE UNTIL HEAL OF IT CHRIST.

KnownUnknown:

Which one is it, was Judas used by Satan to betray Jesus or was it Jesus’ plan that Judas betray him?
Satan has no part to play here unless you want to say that he was in cahoots with Jesus to use one of his disciples regardless if it’s Judas or Peter.

Satan used so many opportunities {Luke 4:13} Judas just ended up being a scapegoat due to his greed for money! 1Timothy 6:9-10
Satan once used Peter too and Jesus told him immediately that Satan is the one speaking not Peter! Matthew 16:23

MaxInDHouse:


Satan used so many opportunities {Luke 4:13} Judas just ended up being a scapegoat due to his greed for money! 1Timothy 6:9-10
Satan once used Peter too and Jesus told him immediately that Satan is the one speaking not Peter! Matthew 16:23

So it was Satan that caused Jesus’ death by turning Judas into a marionette. Good to see that Satan contributed to the plan. He’s a very nice antagonist.

KnownUnknown:

So it was Satan that caused Jesus’ death by turning Judas into a marionette. Good to see that Satan contributed to the plan. He’s a very nice antagonist.

Of course he really contributed greatly though unknowingly because he was only intelligent but not wise!

KnownUnknown:


Did anyone ask Judas if he wanted to play a role in this drama?
If Jesus came to die, why didn’t he just surrender himself instead of destroying Judas in the process?

Abi o. Why wait for anyone to rat you out? If truly Jesus came to die, he doesn't need Judas to come kiss him at all. On the Gospel narratives, there are opportunities for Jesus to have give himself up and redeem mankind.

1. When Satan took him on that excursion, he could have jumped and end it all.

2. What is the point in walking on water when he knew that he can drown if he go beneath?

3. The Swords Peter was carrying about Jesus could have asked for it and do a Japanese harakiri and save everyone the drama. Sebi na blood him Papa need?

MaxInDHouse:

Of course he really contributed greatly though unknowingly because he was only intelligent but not wise!

So Satan wasn’t responsible for his actions neither because he contributed to the plan unknowingly. So instead of Jesus going peaceably to his execution, he managed to besmirch Judas and Satan who were unknowingly part of the plan. Why the drama?

Lukuluku69:

3. The Swords Peter was carrying a out, Jesus could have asked for it and do a Japanese harakiri and save everyone the drama. Sebi na blood him Papa need?

I second this motion.

KnownUnknown:

So Satan wasn’t responsible for his actions neither because he contributed to the plan unknowingly. So instead of Jesus going peaceably to his execution, he managed to besmirch Judas and Satan who were unknowingly part of the plan. Why the drama?

Satan wanted Jesus death when he was a baby that couldn't PREACH or TEACH but since he has escaped that stage the next thing is to break Jesus' integrity not to kill him because he knew that will make Jesus a conqueror whose mission is successful!
All what Satan wanted by that time is to make Jesus feel like his earthly mission is not worth it.
Imagine Jews who has been anticipating the coming of the Messiah (Christ) turned against him, their religious leaders spread evil reports about him, most of his disciples left him, his closest confidants one betrayed him the other denied him and while suffering excruciating pains on the torture stake some were mocking him, even one of the criminals executed along with him also mocked him all because he loves to save mankind.

What Satan was expecting from Jesus is to break free and say this people doesn't worth all these suffering but Jesus bear it all till the end and declared "it has been accomplished " John 19:30

At that moment Satan felt really bad because he knew Jesus has won!

Emmato77:
Why did Judas betray Jesus, is because of the fulfillment of the scriptures and prophecy, to liberate the mankind from destruction, after Adam fail God in the garden of Eden.

CONTINUE HERE: https://scholarse.com/why-did-judas-betray-jesus/

It was the intention of God for mankind and Angels to have communion together, but the fell of a man results the first coming of Christ to save the world after the time of Flood.

CONTINUE HERE: https://scholarse.com/why-did-judas-betray-jesus/

The case of Judas reveals the state of a devotee who cannnot be reformed through normal devotion. He was acting in the role of a devotee to betray Jesus. His suicide revealed his reformation on seeing the love and kindness of Jesus, as He prayed to God to excuse the sinners for their ignorance. Judas represents the middle state of devotion, which is neither very high, with total surrender nor very low, lacking the very possibility of reformation. If a very low-level devotee had been in the place of Judas, he would not have committed suicide.

Judas’ suicide represents the intensity of his repentance after fully realizing his sin. God wanted to give him a fresh birth with a perfectly reformed soul to make a fresh start in his spiritual effort, forgetting the mistake done by him in the previous birth. If God had saved him from suicide in that very birth, Judas would not have pursued the spiritual path since he would not have been able to ever forget the mistake done by him in cheating Jesus and becoming the cause for His crucifixion.


Since Judas repented and punished himself, he is free of the sin. He has neither gone to hell nor to heaven. Since his sin was wiped out, he did not go to hell. Since he had not done any meritorious deed, he did not go to heaven. So, he was born again on this earth, which is in between heaven and hell. Earth is in between heaven and hell, not in a physical sense, but in the sense of value.

Emmato77:
Why did Judas betray Jesus, is because of the fulfillment of the scriptures and prophecy, to liberate the mankind from destruction, after Adam fail God in the garden of Eden.

CONTINUE HERE: https://scholarse.com/why-did-judas-betray-jesus/

It was the intention of God for mankind and Angels to have communion together, but the fell of a man results the first coming of Christ to save the world after the time of Flood....

Rubbish!

It is Because he was evil and Evil people must do evil things.

MaxInDHouse:

NO!
Those people deceived Judas Iscariot!
They told him they only want to know him so they can ask him questions, but Judas failed to keep in mind all the things Jesus Christ told them about how he would end his human life {Matthew 16:21} Judas Iscariot thought he's about to make good money freely but after seeing the way those people were mistreating Jesus to the point of killing him Judas couldn't bear the guilt!

Gosh! Is this how great you deceive yourself?

Even when we have seen that he followed Jesus for "political appointments".

Now, I understand why you love self deceit and why you deceive yourself.

Now I understand why you love JW because jw's target market is about damaged people.

Dtruthspeaker:

Gosh! Is this how great you deceive yourself?
Even when we have seen that he followed Jesus for "political appointments".
Now, I understand why you love self deceit and why you deceive yourself.
Now I understand why you love JW because jw's target market is about damaged people.

Who are the so called "WE" with you?

Ọmọ everyone on this forum has known that you're a confirmed nuisance, i'm talking about what JWs believe so tell me the church that believe what you're saying. And don't hide under non-denominational because everyone i know on this forum disagree with you!

KnownUnknown:


Did anyone ask Judas if he wanted to play a role in this drama?
If Jesus came to die, why didn’t he just surrender himself instead of destroying Judas in the process?

That is why the op is wrong.

You can not go into mud and not be muded. A Holy Person can not go to evil people and tell them that they are evil and those evil beasts will not kill him.

Exactly how God had sent His prophets to them and they murdered them.

So, it is only natural that this would happen because it is a guarantee that an evil man will always fall into the trap of doing an evil thing.

MaxInDHouse:


Who are the so called "WE" with you?

Ọmọ everyone on this forum has known that you're a confirmed nuisance, i'm talking about what JWs believe so tell me the church that believe what you're saying. And don't hide under non-denominational because everyone i know on this forum disagree with you!

Your reaction has just proven how right I was!

I definitely pressed your boil and now your puss is flowing out

Dtruthspeaker:

Your reaction has just proven how right I was!
I definitely pressed your boil and now your puss is flowing out

Each person with his or her own interpretation so you don't have any "WE" around you if there's no church you can present having your line of thought!