Kobojunkie:
For the umpteenth time, to the thief on the cross, Jesus Christ spoke of Paradise, an idea which is of God's Old Covenant Law of Moses - Luke 16 vs 19 - 31 and Deuteronomy 30 vs 15- 20 - and not the Kingdom of God nor Heaven which one cannot enter into except one is first born-again. You can easily figure this out for your own self by considering the fact that Jesus Christ died that day but didn't ascend to Heaven until about a week or two afterwards.

So unless you consider Jesus Christ a man who lies sometimes, you will for sure accept His every word as God's Truth, Words which He even said will Last forever.

Also, it does not matter either you immerse yourself in water or you sprinkle it, as John the Baptist instead made clear, the importance of the ritual is instead the marking of a one to signify change from following of the Old Way to instead following the New Way - Jesus Christ. - Matthew 3 vs 7 - 11

Kobojunkie:
1. So if no one has seen the Father we should instead believe that the one who gave Moses the Law was Christ? Are you for real? If no man has seen the Father then who gave the Law to Moses and who appeared to Abraham? Perhaps you know, share!

2. Wait a second... do you realize that by believing Jesus Christ is the one whom these men spoke to, you are attempting to rewrite the book of the Law itself?
How am I rewriting the law?

3. Now "No man has seen the Father" is also twisted to mean " No man has encountered the Father"?

Abraham did not just encounter someone who judged Sodom and Gomorah, he saw Him? Who else can judge a nation but God? Who did Abraham see?

4. Jesus cannot be YHWH because Jesus Christ is a different and separate Law from YHWH.

You still haven't proven your point by reference to scripture or inspiration. You are just stating your belief. I would even entertain you proving your point by sharing an inspiration that is not necessarily directly deducible from scripture. But then if this is your belief, I respect it as is.

efficiencie:
1. If the bolded statement is true then where did Jesus go when he told Mary Magdalene not to touch him? Jesus told her not to touch Him because He is yet to see the Father? But this same Jesus allowed Thomas touch His hand and side? Jesus indeed went to Heaven to offer the feast of first fruits before the Father which was according to the law 3 days after the passover sacrifice.

2. Although the scriptures did not explicitly state the time table of events but I believe, from an understanding of the law and prophets and from the accounts of the apostles that immediately Jesus said it is finished, He took the thief to paradise (new Jerusalem), next He went to the depths of Hell to get the keys to death and hell and to free the saints waiting for the sacrifice of the LORD Jesus and next He showed Himself to the Father with the souls He set free (first fruits) and returned to earth to show Himself before men to prove that He is arisen and that He is the second Adam (fully man yet fully God).

efficiencie:
1. If no man has seen the Father then who gave the Law to Moses and who appeared to Abraham? Perhaps you know, share!
2. How am I rewriting the law?
3. Abraham did not just encounter someone who judged Sodom and Gomorah, he saw Him? Who else can judge a nation but God? Who did Abraham see?
4.You still haven't proven your point by reference to scripture or inspiration. You are just stating your belief. I would even entertain you proving your point by sharing an inspiration that is not necessarily directly deducible from scripture. But then if this is your belief, I respect it as is.

Kobojunkie:
For the umpteenth time, to the thief on the cross, Jesus Christ spoke of Paradise, an idea which is of God's Old Covenant Law of Moses - Luke 16 vs 19 - 31 and Deuteronomy 30 vs 15- 20 - and not the Kingdom of God nor Heaven which one cannot enter into except one is first born-again.
You are conflating a location with dominion. Paradise is a location. The Kingdom of God is a citizenship status. Just as you can be an American resident in Nigeria so also you can be a member of the Kingdom of God and not be in Heaven or Paradise. Can you reference anywhere in the so called "old covenant law" where "paradise" is mentioned or an idea? I believe that at the promise of Jesus, to the thief, Jesus baptised him in the HolyGhost right there on the cross before he died just as He did His disciples
(John 20:22) before Pentecost. So if you think the thief did not go to Heaven (where Paradise is located) then where did he go? And tell me what qualifies a person to go to Paradise and not Heaven? And tell me, how is Paradise different from new Jerusalem? And also tell, what qualifies a person to go to Heaven, Paradise or New Jerusalem?


You can easily figure this out for your own self by considering the fact that Jesus Christ died that day but didn't ascend to Heaven until about a week or two afterwards.

So unless you consider Jesus Christ a man who lies sometimes, you will for sure accept His every word as God's Truth, Words which He even said will Last forever.

Also, it does not matter either you immerse yourself in water or you sprinkle it, as John the Baptist instead made clear, the importance of the ritual is instead the marking of a one to signify change from following of the Old Way to instead following the New Way - Jesus Christ. Can you then explain the purpose of the baptisms by Jesus? Why did John confess that Jesus will baptise in the HolyGhost and Fire? Why was the baptism of water not enough for the Ephesian Christians as Paul seemed to suggest? (Acts 19:3-6)? Can you answer these questions?

Kobojunkie:
1. Who was it that Moses is written to have seen? Don't be in a rush to add your ideas or explain away that which is written. That is a terrible way to approach comprehension. Instead, let that which is written speak to you instead.
2. You do so by twisting that which is written into what is not.
3. Who are you told in scripture that Abraham encountered?
4. I am not trying to prove anything to you but simply pointing out that rather than twist scripture, and rewriting the story told, you should pay more attention and heed to what is written as is written. God does not need anyone to lie on His behalf, so don't be in a rush to explain it all away as though you defend God by there what are lies.

efficiencie:
1. You are conflating a location with dominion. Paradise is a location. The Kingdom of God is a citizenship status. Just as you can be an American resident in Nigeria so also you can be a member of the Kingdom of God and not be in Heaven or Paradise. Can you reference anywhere in the so called "old covenant law" where "paradise" is mentioned or an idea? I believe that at the promise of Jesus, to the thief, Jesus baptised him in the HolyGhost right there on the cross before he died just as He did His disciples (John 20:22) before Pentecost. So if you think the thief did not go to Heaven (where Paradise is located) then where did he go? And tell me what qualifies a person to go to Paradise and not Heaven? And tell me, how is Paradise different from new Jerusalem? And also tell, what qualifies a person to go to Heaven, Paradise or New Jerusalem?
2. Can you then explain the purpose of the baptisms by Jesus? Why did John confess that Jesus will baptise in the HolyGhost and Fire? Why was the baptism of water not enough for the Ephesian Christians as Paul seemed to suggest? (Acts 19:3-6)? Can you answer these questions?

Kobojunkie:
1. If? Look, in order to understand what comes next, you must first accept the truth of what is stated. That is how comprehension/understanding typically works, right? You are told that Jesus Christ was in the grave for 3 days counting from the day that He spoke to the thief on the cross, meaning that Jesus Christ was most definitely not in Heaven on the day that He promised the thief that He would be in paradise. Hence Heaven is not the same as Paradise... simple!

2. Your understanding of the law is definitely faulty here, this since the New Jerusalem is not in the place of Death, the grave where Jesus Christ was in for 3 days before His resurrection. I suggest you please scrap all that you have there and start over learning these things. This time allowing that which is written to in fact speak for itself.

Kobojunkie:
1. According to Jesus Christ, Citizenship in the Kingdom of God belongs only to those who are born-again. The Thief on the cross was not of Jesus Christ's Kingdom of God but of the Old Covenant. And according to the Old Covenant, the unrighteous dead are to perish in their graves whereas the righteous dead are instead to sleep in their graves until the time of the resurrection when God will rule as King over the Land - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20.

* As Jesus Christ described in the parable/story he told in Luke 16, Paradise, the idea is not of the Kingdom of God but of the Old Law of Moses. And as such cannot be in the Kingdom of God where only those who are, again, born-again, can enter into.

* Also, Jesus Christ did not baptize any one of His disciples. He instead washed their feet, and the meaning of what He did is clearly explained in the context of the passage from which you lifted this idea from. So, if you believe Jesus Christ magically baptized the thief on the cross with magic water and then got Him born of Spirit, this without His eating the flesh and blood of Jesus Christ, then I see you trying yet again to rewrite even Jesus Christ as well.

* Again, according to the story/Parable told by Jesus Christ of Paradise, it is a place of Death where the righteous and unrighteous dead of the Old Covenant Law of Moses go to await final processing. There is no direct or indirect link from this to the Kingdom of God(Eternal Reward(Heaven) and Eternal Damnation(Hell/Hellfire)) provided in the story/parable for anyone to assume a link between the two, and there is no mention of the New Jerusalem spoken by the prophets to be of the place of Death.

2. a. John the Baptist himself explained the purpose of Baptisms in Matthew 3 vs 7 - 11 and Jesus Christ added that it was necessary in order to enter into the Kingdom of God where Heaven(Eternal Reward) and Hell/Hellfire(Eternal damnation) are both domains in - John 3 vs 1 - 8
b. John spoke of what Jesus Christ would do which is baptize His followers in the Holy Spirit and fire, not water.

c. Baptism of water simply marks one for being born-again, however, all those who will end up in Eternal damnation(Hell/Hellfire) in the Kingdom of God are all of them also born-again.

efficiencie:
1. Lol. I am not twisting the scripture and I am not forcing you to accept my exegesis. I am merely stating my belief and why I hold those beliefs. If you are given to prayer you will investigate just as I will also investigate.

2. It is the glory of God to conceal a matter while it is the glory of kings to reveal it. God concealed many mysteries in the scriptures and it is the responsibility of God's noble children to reveal the mysteries of scripture and this means we have to keep challenging what we think we know or believe in the place of meditation and prayer. So I am not stating my beliefs to convince you rather I am merely stating what I found in the place of meditation. I could be wrong so I keep pressing to know more.

efficiencie:
1. You quoted Luke 16. I read the two parables in that verse and still do not see how Paradise was a construct of the old covenant. Lol.

2. You really need to meditate over the scriptures and not merely read it like another textbook. The location, Abraham's bosom, which was referenced in the verse Luke 16, is a waiting place in Hell for the saints and that was the location Jesus went to to preach good tiding to the saints, free them and offer them to the Father as a first fruit offering. I do not intend to convince you oh. I am not the Holy Spirit but I trust He will reveal all truth.

efficiencie:
1. Lol. Your body is not you. Your body is just an operating system that allows you interact with the natural world. Jesus existed before He was born na. Jesus left His body in the tomb and went to the lower parts of the earth, Hell, the preach good tidings to the saints (Ephesians 4:9, 1 Peter 3:19) and this was witnessed as the resurrection of the saints which many saw with their own eyes (Matthew 27:52-53).

2. Jesus was at work even when His body was in the tomb, lol. The thief was admitted to new Jerusalem after death, the very same location Jesus said He was preparing for His disciples (John 14:2-3). I am not rewriting the bible. The mysteries of God will not be written plainly in the scriptures and that is why you must search the scriptures for the treasures of truth and knowledge buried in it (John 5:39).

efficiencie:


Adult baptism, if by this you mean baptism by immersion, will not take you to heaven. The thief on the side of Christ did not do water baptism but Jesus promised him paradise. When Jesus said you have to believe and be baptised to be saved (Mark 16:16) He wasn't referring to water baptism necessarily.

You see, water baptism is the last doctrine of the law and the prophets because it was initiated by John the Baptist, the last prophet of the long line of prophets from Enoch. Jesus submitted Himself to be baptised because onus was on the LORD Jesus to fulfill the law and the prophets to prove He is the sinless lamb that takes away the sins of the world (as confessed by John himself).

Now we know that the doctrines of the law and prophets are types and shadows (Colossians 2:16-17) of things to come. So the natural question is, what was the baptism of John shadowing? What are those things to come at the time of John, that John's baptism preceded. Just as John was a herald of the LORD Jesus, so also was water baptism a herald of the something far far greater.

John the Baptist himself confessed:

Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

Just as the passover sacrifice with lambs preceeded or heralded the sacrifice of our LORD and Savior Jesus Christ, the baptism of the HolyGhost and the baptism of Fire are the two baptisms that the baptism of water heralds or preceeds.

Now do we, as the Jews still following Moses, offer a lamb during the passover? No. Our passover sacrifice is the LORD Jesus Christ. Do we eat the roasted flesh of a passover lamb with bitter herbs as the Jews do? No, we eat the flesh of Jesus and drink His blood when we celebrate the passover (what some call "holy communion" ). Jesus Himself said concerning this, "my flesh is meat indeed and my blood is drink indeed" (John 6:55).

In this same manner are we to judge the baptisms in the HolyGhost and Fire which are the fulfilment of the baptism by immersion in water. But these are just two baptisms but Jesus referenced three baptisms (Matthew 28:19). Well baptism in the name of Jesus is the washing by the water of the word of God (Ephesians 5:26). The baptism in the name of the HolyGhost is the total takeover of your consciousness by the HolyGhost (Acts 1:8 ) and the baptism in the name of the Father is the baptism that completely transforms one's essence/nature into the essence/nature of the LORD Jesus and the Father (Hebrew 12:29, Revelations 1:11-16). The baptisms in the word (Jesus Christ) and in the HolyGhost are easily attained before the rapture but many will not attain the third baptism, the baptism by
fire, until the rapture (1 John 3:2) but a few will walk with God and attain it even before the rapture. Even now I believe there are people among us who are inching closer to the baptism of fire or have already attained it but are yet to manifest it on the orders of the LORD. I also believe that those who have attained the baptism of fire will not taste the corruption of death for they will be like Enoch and Elijah taken up by God straight to heaven.

So, don't get stuck on the baptism by immersion in water which is a shadow. You must be baptised in the Word, in the HolyGhost and in the Fire of the Father, if you must be pure enough to stand in the presence of the Father, the Son and the HolyGhost. Blessed are the pure for they shall see God (Matthew 5:8 )

efficiencie:


But the thief was not baptised. It was armed robbery that took him to the cross. If baptism was necessary and the theives were baptised they won't be on the cross for armed robbery unless you want to say that after baptism na to begin rob immediately. The thief was not baptised but he was granted entry into paradise. If baptism by immersion was that important so many Christians today would be Christians indeed...but we all see how folks who claim to be baptised are still perpetrating horrible acts of the flesh. Like one of my teachers used to say, if you go into the baptismal pool as a sinner you will come out as a wet sinner. The water does nothing. Who would you follow? John the Baptist or Jesus Christ? John baptises with water unto repentance but Jesus will baptise you with the HolyGhost and with Fire. If you like get soaked in water 1000 times if you are not baptised in the HolyGhost you will weigh as much as a tipper of sand when the trumpet sounds.

SanctifiedSista:
Don't argue or criticise..simply obey and watch as u come out of the water renewed and empowered

SanctifiedSista:
The Bible says u shall know the truth and it will set u free
Therefore if u are yet to do adult baptism,run to any living Faith church winners chapel near you and make enquiries..taking place on Saturday 7th Oct
A word is not enough for the wise
Think am lying? Go and buy the book Newness of Life by bishop Oyedepo and learn
U won't be denied entry to heaven cause of ignorance, if u read this post, it means u know and allowed d devil deceive u that it's not important like Eve

SanctifiedSista:


Analysis minister..may u not miss the blessing of God trying to figure out things dat are higher than ur brain..

SanctifiedSista:


Story... Do this first and fulfill all righteousness, u think u are now wiser than ur Saviour who did his own..stop confusing people with your distraction and analysis

efficiencie:
■ You quoted Luke 16. I read the two parables in that verse and still do not see how Paradise was a construct of the old covenant. Lol. You really need to meditate over the scriptures and not merely read it like another textbook. The location, Abraham's bosom, which was referenced in the verse Luke 16, is a waiting place in Hell for the saints and that was the location Jesus went to to preach good tiding to the saints, free them and offer them to the Father as a first fruit offering. I do not intend to convince you oh. I am not the Holy Spirit but I trust He will reveal all truth.