KingOKON:


Reading your comments forced me into taking a second look at you and truly you are a boy, I can clearly see Nnamdi KANU orientation and education on you instead of deep academics and research.

Read the works of this men, the internet is willing to assist

Adiele Afigbo

Dr. Nwankwo T. Nwaezeigwe

Both are Igbos, cause if I should give you materials from Unical or UniUyo or the writings of Non Igbos about Aros and who they are it may not sit well with you

Read deeply to avoid this New yam nonsense, your profile is new and I would not like to entertain proponents of Mazi Nnamdi KANU mentality but deep thinkers

In addition, in the early years before large ships and ports, the coast was inhabitable. No one could actually live there, this is why most Igbos took the favourable lands that are high and less water logged.

But still had areas in the coast to trade. So, making it seem Aro was scared of the coast because of your type of people (not all Ibibios, for I respect them so much) that's why they didn't go there is silly to the highest. Aro was very great, no cap. And even Ibibios and Efiks were under their protection too, this was the reason Ijaws and the likes couldn't mishandle them like Ijaws praise themselves in using Efiks and Ibibios for sacrifices.

ThickSharon123:



In addition, in the early years before large ships and ports, the coast was inhabitable. No one could actually live there, this is why most Igbos took the favourable lands that are high and less water logged.

But still had areas in the coast to trade. So, making it seem Aro was scared of the coast because of your type of people (not all Ibibios, for I respect them so much) that's why they didn't go there is silly to the highest. Aro was very great, no cap. And even Ibibios and Efiks were under their protection too, this was the reason Ijaws and the likes couldn't mishandle them like Ijaws praise themselves in using Efiks and Ibibios for sacrifices.

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Oh my, this is history 101 from Abakaliki abeg I no wan laugh
Plz when you are done in za kitchen you can go to za oza room.
wetin Okoro no go sell

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KingOKON:
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Oh my, this is history 101 from Abakaliki abeg I no wan laugh
Plz when you are done in za kitchen you can go to za oza room.
wetin Okoro no go sell

Please ooo let me understand you.

Are you saying that Arochukwu and the igbos were ones slaves to the ibibios ?

KingOKON:
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Oh my, this is history 101 from Abakaliki abeg I no wan laugh
Plz when you are done in za kitchen you can go to za oza room.
wetin Okoro no go sell

Whatever, but I dislike when other people don't feel comfortable in other people's history. I guess you are a sexist your words shows your level of education. Rubbish.

AkuOlisa:
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Please ooo let me understand you.

Are you saying that Arochukwu and the igbos were ones slaves to the ibibios ?

Hear from the horses mouth themselves and also confirmed by an Aro born anthropologist Professor Felicia Ekejuba

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G.H Jones (1937:102) puts it straight thus:
The Aro themselves say, and always have said, that their
clan originated from a revolt of an Igbo slave or ggroup of slaves who called in Akpa mercenaries from further up the
Cross river. The revolt was successful and the Igbo, the
Akpa and what remained of the Ibibio amalgamated to found
the present clan. Today this consist of 19 villages, 6 of which
Claim an Akpa, 5 were descended from Igbo elements who came
in later either freely or as captives. The seniority was originally
with the Akpa, but almost immediately passed to the ancestor
of an Igbo village, a certain Okenachi and from that time the clan
appears to have become an Igbo one.
In affirming the above account, the people of Amanagwu village in Arochukwu, in a
petition to the District Officer dated September 4,1945, questioned the traditional right of the
Eze-Aro, Chief Oji (Arodive,1956) to claim the headship of Arochukwu. In that petition they
stated:
It is contented by your humble petitioners, and by
The Ibom-Isis, that the three Aro elements, viz: Ezeagwu,
Okenachi and Ibom Isi are separate, distinct and equal in status.
But it was the Aro-born anthropologist, Professor Felicia Ekejuba that fully confirmed
Jones‟ thesis of Aro origins. According to her (Ekejuba 1972, 13):

culled from( IKENGA International Journal of African Studies, Vol. 15, April, 2013). *****


The views of the descendants of IniOkon Ibom( now Arochukwu) who left after the betrayal and death of their Chief, Obong Okon Ita now residing in about 5villages in INI and Ibiono Ibom LG of AkwaIbom will tell you betrayal and hospitality brought them their sorrows.

Do you have any idea when the British came for Aros, where did you think they camped and who led them to the shrine?

You have plenty to learn but let it be known that America was once slaves to the British who were once slaves to Romans but where are they and where are we?
The difference is that they have forged ahead and become great while we are still lamenting and wailing as if it yesterday

ThickSharon123:


Whatever, but I dislike when other people don't feel comfortable in other people's history. I guess you are a sexist your words shows your level of education. Rubbish.

I merely repeated what the President said sometime ago, but honestly you made no factual arguments just "feel good mama and papa tales".

KingOKON:


I merely repeated what the President said sometime ago, but honestly you made no factual arguments just "feel good mama and papa tales".

Well, are the any more sources to what you posted. And the few questions I'll like to ask, if the Ibibios were great, why would Akpa people who are closely related to them rather fight with a foreign nation, the Igbos. It doesn't add up. And this is not what the Eze Aro say.
What we do hear is three clans living together till there was an argument in the Ibibio cricle which changed leadership fo the region.

And if they were tops as you said, why didn't they have a presence even in the Niger Delta self. It doesn't add up, why did Ibibios and Efiks relied on Aros for safety. You can see yourself it doesn't add up in any way. It skewed.

ThickSharon123:


Well, are the any more sources to what you posted. And the few questions I'll like to ask, if the Ibibios were great, why would Akpa people who are closely related to them rather fight with a foreign nation, the Igbos. It doesn't add up. And this is not what the Eze Aro say.
What we do hear is three clans living together till there was an argument in the Ibibio cricle which changed leadership fo the region.

And if they were tops as you said, why didn't they have a presence even in the Niger Delta self. It doesn't add up, why did Ibibios and Efiks relied on Aros for safety. You can see yourself it doesn't add up in any way. It skewed.

Aros for safety.....according to tales from your village square abi, abeg don't make me laugh
The above is what they say of themselves and not what the Ibibio group that were at Iniokon Ibom( Arochukwu) have has theirs side of the history
Plz what stock stock, tribe and clan are you

KingOKON:


Aros for safety.....according to tales from your village square abi, abeg don't make me laugh
The above is what they say of themselves and not what the Ibibio group that were at Iniokon Ibom( Arochukwu) have has theirs side of the history
Plz what stock stock, tribe and clan are you

So, it's now your own that truth. No Aro person says that hogwash story you just posted. It isn't in the history. You say it was Ibibios who owned it, why would Akpa fight a foreign nation and leave out the people close to them ? It doesn't make sense, biko.

And you haven't answered my question, is it that the Aro banned Ibibio who ever you think it is to stop trading when they were out. Why didn't they continue with their trade to defeat Aro? That's because it's ficition and never happened, other than that, Aro was trading in the Calabar ports and had its presence there too. So, stop these none relatable stories you bring up that has lots of gaps and question mark.

You said you were the great people that your supposed slaves ousted you.

Then you went forward to say Akpa who are closely related to you joined the slaves to fight you.

Furthmore, you couldn't even progress that much pre-colonialism when the confederacy happened. Answer this questions then I'll get your point.

KingOKON:


Aros for safety.....according to tales from your village square abi, abeg don't make me laugh
The above is what they say of themselves and not what the Ibibio group that were at Iniokon Ibom( Arochukwu) have has theirs side of the history
Plz what stock stock, tribe and clan are you

And I read the whole script, the writer of that project who ever it is seems to be gross with Aro partaking in the slave trade and believe they are unrepentant. So, I'll say it was just a book based on emotions other than intellect.

ThickSharon123

You are extremely funny, I bet you are another student of MNK the type who call intellectuals foolish people

For the fact that you don't get my points yet you are writings long epistles of whatever that is inside your head tells a lot
If you ain't proud of mentioning your heritage down to your root here, abeg don't mention my name again

KingOKON:
ThickSharon123

You are extremely funny, I bet you are another student of MNK the type who call intellectuals foolish people

For the fact that you don't get my points yet you are writings long epistles of whatever that is inside your head tells a lot
If you ain't proud of mentioning your heritage down to your root here, abeg don't mention my name again

Okay, you didn't answer my questions. Your intellectuals can be your god, but not for me they can still be refuted. Upon my days in Arochukwu I have never had of such story from either the Eze or anyone in particular. The story that's well know is yes they were slaves, but some the Ibibios had the land and invited others who came to support. But the minute there was a power tussle things changed. This is the story amongst the Ibibios and the Arochukwu themselves who still intereact and love themsleves as one. But from the god Gi Jones or whatever his name is called, you followed his point when they are actually gaps in the present. If the Ibibio kingdom was as powerful as they say they are why didn't they continue in their strength and power? Why didn't they at least control the coast or Niger Delta while Aro controlled its own or even sought ways to partner with them. It doesn't make sense.

You reason it. I am sure there are academic works that has refuted the points of such learned men. They are human beings and can make their errors too. To say, all of the Igbos who were in Aro were slaves is the highest form of silliness and upon that they had to partner with an Akpa person closely related to them.

There are Ibibios in Arochukwu, God knows it may be a disgruntled Ibibio he questionerred this too, but I don't want to base my suspicion on hearsay. The story as I've read from beginning to end runs contrary to the effects of Arochukwu east of the Niger, thank you.

The one thing Arochukwu don't talk in these things, is because they know they were the ones who caused pain and sorrow in the East and now being Igbos they don't want to touch on such sensitive topics and they feel sorry till now. But I see it as a blessing, because now we have Igbos in large measure in North America, the Carribbean and some parts of South America. So, what was sorrow to some was a blessing indeed for all. Do have a splendid day.


In addition, Aro had cordial relationship with the Ibibios and Efiks that it never touched them or maimed them in anyway. They were also allowed to freely use the Calabar port without hindrance of any kind. You can well see it doesn't make sense.

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KingOKON:


Hear from the horses mouth themselves and also confirmed by an Aro born anthropologist Professor Felicia Ekejuba

..***
G.H Jones (1937:102) puts it straight thus:
The Aro themselves say, and always have said, that their
clan originated from a revolt of an Igbo slave or ggroup of slaves who called in Akpa mercenaries from further up the
Cross river. The revolt was successful and the Igbo, the
Akpa and what remained of the Ibibio amalgamated to found
the present clan. Today this consist of 19 villages, 6 of which
Claim an Akpa, 5 were descended from Igbo elements who came
in later either freely or as captives. The seniority was originally
with the Akpa, but almost immediately passed to the ancestor
of an Igbo village, a certain Okenachi and from that time the clan
appears to have become an Igbo one.
In affirming the above account, the people of Amanagwu village in Arochukwu, in a
petition to the District Officer dated September 4,1945, questioned the traditional right of the
Eze-Aro, Chief Oji (Arodive,1956) to claim the headship of Arochukwu. In that petition they
stated:
It is contented by your humble petitioners, and by
The Ibom-Isis, that the three Aro elements, viz: Ezeagwu,
Okenachi and Ibom Isi are separate, distinct and equal in status.
But it was the Aro-born anthropologist, Professor Felicia Ekejuba that fully confirmed
Jones‟ thesis of Aro origins. According to her (Ekejuba 1972, 13):

culled from( IKENGA International Journal of African Studies, Vol. 15, April, 2013). *****


The views of the descendants of IniOkon Ibom( now Arochukwu) who left after the betrayal and death of their Chief, Obong Okon Ita now residing in about 5villages in INI and Ibiono Ibom LG of AkwaIbom will tell you betrayal and hospitality brought them their sorrows.

Do you have any idea when the British came for Aros, where did you think they camped and who led them to the shrine?

You have plenty to learn but let it be known that America was once slaves to the British who were once slaves to Romans but where are they and where are we?
The difference is that they have forged ahead and become great while we are still lamenting and wailing as if it yesterday

This one na long story all I am asking you is are you saying that igbos where once slaves to the ibibios ?

As in igbos ?

Bini dey claim igbos migrated from Bini kingdom

Even Ile-ife the claim onicha kingdom

And now ibibios are claiming IGBOS where once their slaves. Not that some igbos or igbo slaves migrated to ibibio land ooo but that igbos were once slaves to the ibibios.

Nothing I no go read for nairaland.

ThickSharon123:


Okay, you didn't answer my questions. Your intellectuals can be your god, but not for me they can still be refuted. Upon my days in Arochukwu I have never had of such story from either the Eze or anyone in particular. The story that's well know is yes they were slaves, but some the Ibibios had the land and invited others who came to support. But the minute there was a power tussle things changed. This is the story amongst the Ibibios and the Arochukwu themselves who still intereact and love themsleves as one. But from the god Gi Jones or whatever his name is called, you followed his point when they are actually gaps in the present. If the Ibibio kingdom was as powerful as they say they are why didn't they continue in their strength and power? Why didn't they at least control the coast or Niger Delta while Aro controlled its own or even sought ways to partner with them. It doesn't make sense.

You reason it. I am sure there are academic works that has refuted the points of such learned men. They are human beings and can make their errors too. To say, all of the Igbos who were in Aro were slaves is the highest form of silliness and upon that they had to partner with an Akpa person closely related to them.

There are Ibibios in Arochukwu, God knows it may be a disgruntled Ibibio he questionerred this too, but I don't want to base my suspicion on hearsay. The story as I've read from beginning to end runs contrary to the effects of Arochukwu east of the Niger, thank you.

The one thing Arochukwu don't talk in these things, is because they know they were the ones who caused pain and sorrow in the East and now being Igbos they don't want to touch on such sensitive topics and they feel sorry till now. But I see it as a blessing, because now we have Igbos in large measure in North America, the Carribbean and some parts of South America. So, what was sorrow to some was a blessing indeed for all. Do have a splendid day.


In addition, Aro had cordial relationship with the Ibibios and Efiks that it never touched them or maimed them in anyway. They were also allowed to freely use the Calabar port without hindrance of any kind. You can well see it doesn't make sense.

..I didn't want to engage you but seeing you being emotional with history is laughable,...how can you say the aros allowed ibibio access to the sea when they where they real occupant of the coastal area,...or did th Brits deal with the aros directly in respect to slave trading,... history are there ,..in Yoruba land the recognize the mogaji family,in eastern coast as they were called then the recognize,Eyo honesty clan ...abi is Eyo also aros name?

AkuOlisa:
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This one na long story all I am asking you is are you saying that igbos where once slaves to the ibibios ?

As in igbos ?

Bini dey claim igbos migrated from Bini kingdom

Even Ile-ife the claim onicha kingdom

And now ibibios are claiming IGBOS where once their slaves. Not that some igbos or igbo slaves migrated to ibibio land ooo but that igbos were once slaves to the ibibios.

Nothing I no go read for nairaland.

... history,who will once believe that Babylon was once a world power or British under roman while the present world power American was once under British,...just that nature has a way of balancing things up,..or the lsraelite in Egypt

You hear of bini kingdom,you think it's was the bini indigene that that goes through that activities to build the kingdom...it's was your people then..


You able young one ,both boy and girl always travel far to entertain our forefathers..so we called you guys unege... people that dance...

Na history

AkuOlisa:
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This one na long story all I am asking you is are you saying that igbos where once slaves to the ibibios ?

As in igbos ?

Bini dey claim igbos migrated from Bini kingdom

Even Ile-ife the claim onicha kingdom

And now ibibios are claiming IGBOS where once their slaves. Not that some igbos or igbo slaves migrated to ibibio land ooo but that igbos were once slaves to the ibibios.

Nothing I no go read for nairaland.

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If only say you de read books, stop listening to village gists and Nnamdi kanu version of history, e for beta for you
I gave you account from the horses mouth about the Aros, u still de run mouth.
Nnamdi Azikiwe with his own mouth also talked about his Benin heritage.

But let this sink into that head of yours, there was NEVER a war between the IBIBIOs and IBOS but a rebellion of slaves and betrayals of kinship against the the Chief of Iniokon Ibom (now Arochukwu).
The fallout of the rebellion/betrayal brought about the mixture of Ibibios Akpas and Ibos metamorphosing into Aros.

Whatever happened in Iniokon Ibom( Arochukwu) has no bearing of whatsoever to every other Ibibio settlements, if you think that was the only Ibibio domain that existed at that time then you must be dumber than anything.

Aros meant nothing to us, they never had any settlement in Ibibio land rather everything they have identity,culture,language, dress mode are Ibibio in origin.

If you think the Aros saw themselves as Ibos at that time, then you don't know ANYTHING......

*** Don't forget according to MNK, Ibibio means junior IBO's

Wetin Okoro no go tell Okon

powerhouse3:
..I didn't want to engage you but seeing you being emotional with history is laughable,...how can you say the aros allowed ibibio access to the sea when they where they real occupant of the coastal area,...or did th Brits deal with the aros directly in respect to slave trading,... history are there ,..in Yoruba land the recognize the mogaji family,in eastern coast as they were called then the recognize,Eyo honesty cloan ...abi is Eyo also aros name?

Is that what I said. And anytime someone speaks or debate on a topic you guys bring the lame excuse of being emotional. Now, my question to you, if you have a debate do you think with your buttocks to make a debate. When you try to geenralize a topic, don't you have to think it is right, feel it is certain and say it out to be refuted or logically endorsed.

Watch yourself too, aren't you being emotional with history too, what does Mogaji family have to do with the discussion we are talking about.

And when did I say Aro had forceful access to the sea. I'm talking about one man's research that's against the stories between the Ibibios and Aros themselves. So do we have to take GI Jones research as totally right when we do have negating events to it that doesn't in any way coincide with his paper work?

So, please, don't bring that being emotional with history, you people talk like when people talk they should think with their buttocks or hands. Even when people debate (in which you call emotional) they exchange words heatedly. It is only if you are emotional intellgent you'll know how to comport yourself. In essence, you're calling kettle black when you're showing the doings you're trying so condemn.

In addition, Aro controlled many areas but where Ibibios and Efiks also gained a lot from their power. They were immune to most things. So, you no get talk, biko. If we look closely, perhaps they made a pact or something else, but the generalisation is that they are closely related to Igbos, especially the Aros in general.

powerhouse3:
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You know,I see all Igbo now doing the itam Ekpe (lion Cap) as thier identify and I smile..

They lion Cap was to be put on buy chief and each side the tail of cap goes signify where the belong to and the position they held ,but we now see even a child putting on the cap and putting the tail backward ,..

Even till now everyone in abiriba still maintain that culture of okon aku,..and they call thier youth mkparawa and thier old men ette..


Just like peter obi ,I will tell them to go and verify

Lol, You are proper clown. Okpu agu belongs to Igbos and have nothing to do with akwa across, and has never.

Okpu agu originated from Ohafia likewise ukara Ekpe widely used by the Ekpe society. Please always get your fact right � and stop the culture appropriation.

bomb24:


Lol, You are proper clown. Okpu agu belongs to Igbos and have nothing to do with akwa across, and has never.

Okpu agu originated from Ohafia likewise ukara Ekpe widely used by the Ekpe society. Please always get your fact right � and stop the culture appropriation.

... you're the clown here,... check your history well ...even the okon aku which the abiriba and ohafia practice today where from were...or abi the Nsibidi.......and you even talk of ukara Ekpe...do you know the meaning of ukara..or his Ekpe also igbo language or ukara?

powerhouse3:
... you're the clown here,... check your history well ...even the okon aku which the abiriba and ohafia practice today where from were...or abi the Nsibidi.......and you even talk of ukara Ekpe...do you know the meaning of ukara..or his Ekpe also igbo language or ukara?

STFU Mr Man. Okpu agu is Igbo, and stop capping okon aku bullshit which has no link to to Okpu agu, which has different varient in Igbo land.

Ukara means cloth in Igbo, and is it well documented as Igbo creation... now suck on it.

Christistruth00:



Please read up on the Arochukwu British War especially the reasons for it

It was the War that opened up Igboland to the outside World

Correct.

KingOKON:
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Oh my, this is history 101 from Abakaliki abeg I no wan laugh
Plz when you are done in za kitchen you can go to za oza room.
wetin Okoro no go sell

You are a yoruba man, not an Ibibio. You deceive yourself alone.