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Dtruthspeaker:
hahahaha See complainings and Change of Posts because of lack of something valid to say in rebuttal! hahahahaha

When The Debate Is Lost, Slander Becomes The Tool Of The Loser
Hahahahaha

LMFAO
you don't have any debate neither have you typed anything reasonable that will warrant rebuttal....all you keep Typing is nonsense

I stand available to anyone who would reasonably and validly satisfy my quest for answers
I never change or violate any fair rule of validity and fair rule of debate.
And you have not been able to ever validly or reasonably answer my questions precisely, correctly and accurately.
So till then keep lamenting your losses and failure

Mutant001:
3.when was each book of the bible written and compiled?

My guess for the gospels is some time between the year 26 and the year 200. I haven't done all the research that I wouid want to do, to narrow it down any more than that. I haven't done any research on the other questions. Why? What difference does it make?

I'm interested in your answers to your questions, if you would ever like to post them.

Maynman:
What century was this history book(bible) written?
And what century were this “prophecies” happening?
It’s just like me prophesying that buhari will become president in 2015 and writing a book about it in 2022, and then claiming “prophecy.”

And the New Testament is the most DOCTORED AND EDITED DOCUMENT IN HISTORY.
If you say the bible is historically accurate, what other books apart from the one in the bible or archaeological evidence affirm this “accurate history”?

The bible is indeed very accurate I've done my findings on stories from the bible from the crossing of the red sea to God coming down on a mountain to meet Moses most biblical stories are also in history archeology also proves the bible to be correct

Even you can't deny the prophecies in the bible
Isaiah prophecies about Cyrus hundred of years before he was born even calling his name Jesus saw the destruction of Jerusalem let say seven decades before it happened
Many bible prophecies about how people of this age will be very knowledgeable how transportation will be easy the bible is very very accurate it's also the word of God even Mohammed acknowledge that the bible is accurate he called it the word of God.

Lawag3:
The bible is indeed very accurate I've done my findings on stories from the bible from the crossing of the red sea to God coming down on a mountain to meet Moses most biblical stories are also in history archeology also proves the bible to be correct

Even you can't deny the prophecies in the bible
Isaiah prophecies about Cyrus hundred of years before he was born even calling his name Jesus saw the destruction of Jerusalem let say seven decades before it happened
Many bible prophecies about how people of this age will be very knowledgeable how transportation will be easy the bible is very very accurate it's also the word of God even Mohammed acknowledge that the bible is accurate he called it the word of God.

Send me links of your findings
Who wrote the isiah book?
What century was it written?

You haven’t said anything tangible.

Again, If you say the bible is historically accurate, what other books apart from the one in the bible or archaeological evidence affirm this “accurate history”?

Maynman:
Send me links of your findings
Who wrote the isiah book?
What century was it written?

You haven’t said anything tangible.

Again, If you say the bible is historically accurate, what other books apart from the one in the bible or archaeological evidence affirm this “accurate history”?

I will if you will kindly tell me how the Quran was written who wrote it why was some different from others and why some versions were burnt if you tell me I will show you my links.
Christianity is more trustworthy than Islam

Lawag3:
I will if you will kindly tell me how the Quran was written who wrote it why was some different from others and why some versions were burnt if you tell me I will show you my links.
Christianity is more trustworthy than Islam

You are the one making claims, i never make claims of any book.
Send me your findings of your “accurate history”. Come on


The New Testament is the most DOCTORED AND EDITED DOCUMENT IN HISTORY, even quran no reach!

Maynman:
You are the one making claims, i never make claims of any book.
Send me your findings of your “accurate history”. Come on


The New Testament is the most DOCTORED AND EDITED DOCUMENT IN HISTORY, even quran no reach!

You believe the new testament is a lie? Tell me what you think is wrong with the new testament . Tell me what they changed let me know stop showing only screen shots

Lawag3:
You believe the new testament is a lie? Tell me what you think is wrong with the new testament . Tell me what they changed let me know stop showing only screen shots

Answer this first sir, You are the one making claims, i never make claims of any book.
Send me your findings of your “accurate history”. Come on

Maynman:
Answer this first sir, You are the one making claims, i never make claims of any book.
Send me your findings of your “accurate history”. Come on

I'm getting there my friend I just want you to tell me what part of the new testament was changed and from what it was changed from. Then I will show you facts that proves everything on the new testament is actually accurate. you made claim that the new testament was doctored I'm only trying to disprove that.

Lawag3:
I'm getting there my friend I just want you to tell me what part of the new testament was changed and from what it was changed from. Then I will show you facts that proves everything on the new testament is actually accurate. you made claim that the new testament was doctored I'm only trying to disprove that.

I asked first, show me, how hard is it, since morning that i have been asking.
You are been dubious, my friend.
Answer this first sir, You are the one made the FIRST claim, i never make claims of any book.
Send me your findings of your “accurate history”. Come on

Maynman:
I asked first, show me, how hard is it, since morning that i have been asking.
You are been dubious.
Answer this first sir, You are the one made the FIRST claim, i never make claims of any book.
Send me your findings of your “accurate history”. Come on

Now my friend what made me call out those facts it was because your said the new testament is false you disprove the bible isn't it? So now I'm telling you to show me where in the new testament was doctored what it was changed from it makes it easier for me because I will know what I'm dealing with .if you can show me where the new testament got it wrong and what it is supposed to be I will be able to say no this is where you got it wrong and here is proof. You get it right?

Lawag3:
Now my friend what made me call out those facts it was because your said the new testament is false you disprove the bible isn't it? So now I'm telling you to show me where in the new testament was doctored what it was changed from it makes it easier for me because I will know what I'm dealing with .if you can show me where the new testament got it wrong and what it is supposed to be I will be able to say no this is where you got it wrong and here is proof. You get it right?

My friend, it was you that FIRST said the bible is a accurate history book, and you said you have done your findings, then send me your findings, you’ve been dodging since.
First you send I should prove quran which i never made mention of, then you said I should prove what’s wrong with New Testament.
Why don’t you send me those findings? Nawa ooo

You are been dubious, I can’t trust you.

Maynman:
My friend, it was you that FIRST said the bible is a accurate history book, and you said you have done your findings, then send me your findings, you’ve been dodging since.
First you send I should prove quran which i never made mention of, then you said I should prove what’s wrong with New Testament.
Why don’t you send me those findings? Nawa ooo

You are been dubious, I can’t trust you.

Did I say I won't show you my findings if only you specify I can't just can't start spilling facts I want it to be a direct answer to your claims that isn't so hard I had high hope for you don't disappoint me

Lawag3:
Did I say I won't show you my findings if only you specify I can't just can't start spilling facts I want it to be a direct answer to your claims that isn't so hard

My friend, I asked first, so answer then I’ll answer you.
This is common sense na.
Did i say I won’t also answer you?
I’ve been asking you to prove your “accurate history” since morning literally, how hard is it?

Maynman:
My friend, I asked first, so answer then I’ll answer you.
This is common sense na.
Did i say I won’t also answer you?
I’ve been asking you to prove your “accurate history” since morning literally, how hard is it?

Why do I have a feeling that you don't understand what I'm trying to do you made a claim that the new testament is wrong following it up with screen shots isn't it ?now show me where in the new testament is wrong so I can answer you has become a problem? Just show where in the new testament is wrong what makes it wrong and what should be there then I will show you with proof that you are wrong don't you know anything bad about the new testament? All this time were you this empty?

You said you have done research and you find the bible historically accurate, then send me the links, na problem since morning.

Lawag3:
Why do I have a feeling that you don't understand what I'm trying to do you made a claim that the new testament is wrong following it up with screen shots isn't it ?now show me where in the new testament is wrong so I can answer you has become a problem? Just show where in the new testament is wrong what makes it wrong and what should be there then I will show you with proof that you are wrong don't you know anything bad about the new testament? All this time were you this empty?

I already asked you to show me your findings how you came to know that the bible is historically correct, before i even mentioned anything about New Testament.

Send me links of your findings then you’ll ask me of my own findings too, this is common sense!
You just looking for excuse.


Again, If you say the bible is historically accurate, what other books apart from the one in the bible or archaeological evidence affirm this “accurate history”?
You are acting dubious.

Lawag3:
The bible is indeed very accurate I've done my findings on stories from the bible from the crossing of the red sea to God coming down on a mountain to meet Moses most biblical stories are also in history archeology also proves the bible to be correct

Even you can't deny the prophecies in the bible
Isaiah prophecies about Cyrus hundred of years before he was born even calling his name Jesus saw the destruction of Jerusalem let say seven decades before it happened
Many bible prophecies about how people of this age will be very knowledgeable how transportation will be easy the bible is very very accurate it's also the word of God even Mohammed acknowledge that the bible is accurate he called it the word of God.

You made mention of Isaiah how accurate the prophesy was and how accurate of a history book it is.

Is Isaiah in New Testament?
Show me your findings since, na problem.

Maynman:
You made mention of Isaiah how accurate the prophesy was and how accurate of a history book it is.

Is Isaiah in New Testament?
Show me your findings since, na problem.

Ok if you are talking about Isaiah then this is what I know


Isaiah (the son of Amoz) is the author of the book of Isaiah. His name means “the Lord is salvation,” and this idea is reflected in his writings. Isaiah served as a prophet in Jerusalem for about 40 years (approximately 740–701 B.C.), during the reigns of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, Hezekiah, and Manasseh of the Southern Kingdom of Judah. Isaiah was married and had at least two sons (see Isaiah 7:3; 8:1–3). “Tradition states that he was ‘sawn asunder’ during the reign of Manasseh” (Bible Dictionary, “Isaiah”).

When and where was it written?
The book of Isaiah was written sometime during the ministry of Isaiah (approximately 740–701 B.C.). Since Isaiah’s ministry was centered in Jerusalem, this is the most likely location of the book’s origin.

What are some distinctive features of this book?
“Isaiah is the most quoted of all the prophets, being more frequently quoted by Jesus, Paul, Peter, and John (in his Revelation) than any other Old Testament prophet. Likewise the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants quote from Isaiah more than from any other prophet” (Bible Dictionary, “Isaiah”).

Isaiah prophecies the coming of Jesus the messiah and In one of the most amazing prophecies of the Bible, the Lord revealed Cyrus’s decree to free the Jews to Isaiah. One hundred fifty years before Cyrus lived, the prophet calls him by name and gives details of Cyrus’ benevolence to the Jews: “This is what the Lord says to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I take hold of to subdue nations before him . . . ‘I summon you by name and bestow on you a title of honor, though you do not acknowledge me’” (Isaiah 45:1, 4; see also 41:2-25; 42

Are you happy now.

Lawag3:
Ok if you are talking about Isaiah then this is what I know


Isaiah (the son of Amoz) is the author of the book of Isaiah. His name means “the Lord is salvation,” and this idea is reflected in his writings. Isaiah served as a prophet in Jerusalem for about 40 years (approximately 740–701 B.C.), during the reigns of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, Hezekiah, and Manasseh of the Southern Kingdom of Judah. Isaiah was married and had at least two sons (see Isaiah 7:3; 8:1–3). “Tradition states that he was ‘sawn asunder’ during the reign of Manasseh” (Bible Dictionary, “Isaiah”).

When and where was it written?
The book of Isaiah was written sometime during the ministry of Isaiah (approximately 740–701 B.C.). Since Isaiah’s ministry was centered in Jerusalem, this is the most likely location of the book’s origin.

What are some distinctive features of this book?
“Isaiah is the most quoted of all the prophets, being more frequently quoted by Jesus, Paul, Peter, and John (in his Revelation) than any other Old Testament prophet. Likewise the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants quote from Isaiah more than from any other prophet” (Bible Dictionary, “Isaiah”).

Isaiah prophecies the coming of Jesus the messiah and In one of the most amazing prophecies of the Bible, the Lord revealed Cyrus’s decree to free the Jews to Isaiah. One hundred fifty years before Cyrus lived, the prophet calls him by name and gives details of Cyrus’ benevolence to the Jews: “This is what the Lord says to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I take hold of to subdue nations before him . . . ‘I summon you by name and bestow on you a title of honor, though you do not acknowledge me’” (Isaiah 45:1, 4; see also 41:2-25; 42

Are you happy now.

Send me links to all these claims.
Lol, You said Isaiah lived 740-701 BC, and he started writing 740-701BC?

Maynman:
Send me links to all these claims.
Lol, You said Isaiah lived 740-701 BC, and he started writing 740-701BC?

I don't remember me typing he lived 740-701 that was the length of his ministry he served as a prophet for 40 years

I'll try finding some YouTube videos I watched I will send you a link of it

Lawag3:
I don't remember me typing he lived 740-701 that was the length of his ministry he served as a prophet for 40 years

I'll try finding some YouTube videos I watched I will send you a link of it

What century did he live?
The reigns of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, Hezekiah, and Manasseh of the Southern Kingdom of Judah are what century?

I’m waiting for the links that’s what i asked for initially, since you have done your research and the bible is a accurate history book, you just posted something with nothing to back it up.


And what about the other book, send your findings were they are accurate history.

Maynman:
What century did he live?
The reigns of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, Hezekiah, and Manasseh of the Southern Kingdom of Judah are what century?

I’m waiting for the links that’s what i asked for since you have done your research and the bible is a accurate history book, you just posted something with nothing to back it up.


And what about the other book, send your findings were they are accurate history.

We don't know when he was born but we know he started his ministry in the reign of those four kings which is 740-701BC although they were three writers of Isaiah who were Isaiah himself king Hezekiah or a second prophet whose name we don't know and a third prophet who we also know nothing about (this two prophets may also be the same person) wrote the book let me explain

According to tradition first appearing in the Talmud, a compendium of Jewish law redacted in Babylonia at about 500 CE (Bava Batra 14b-15a), the Book of Isaiah was written by King Hezekiah, who reigned from 715 to 686 BCE, and his aides.


How the Jewish sages came to this conclusion is clear. The first verse of the book says that the prophet prophesied during the reigns of four Judean monarchs, the last of whom was Hezekiah. It would make sense that it was the king and his scribes who put together the compilation of Isaiah's prophecies after his death.


It would also make sense for a royal archive, if one existed in First Temple Jerusalem, would likely have contained records of prophecies. The royal archives of the Semitic city-state of Mari (in today's Syria) held records of prophecies 1000 years before Hezekiah. The royal archives of the Neo-Assyrian capital Nineveh held records of prophecies too, some written just a few decades after Isaiah's time. Keeping records of prophecies in royal archives may have been the norm or because some chapters were written in another language and made no mention of Isaiah They had to have been written by someone living after the destruction of Jerusalem in 586 BCE. The original Isaiah lived more than a century earlier, so could not have said “Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the Lord's hand double for all her sins” (40:2.)

These chapters had to have been written by some other prophet living in the context of the Babylonian Exile. Since we do not know his name, scholars refer to him (or, less likely, her) as Second Isaiah or Deutero-Isaiah.

The prophesies in the last 10 chapters of the book (56-66) seem to have been written by yet a third prophet, who lived after the Babylonian Exile, during the early Second Temple period (probably the fifth century BCE). “Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people“ (56:7), - this for example would not have been written by a prophet living in a time that the Temple lay waste.Scholars call this prophet Third Isaiah or Trito-Isaiah, though some think the language of Second and Third Isaiah are so similar that they may have been the same person writing before and after the return to Jerusalem.

Let me find the YouTube video I will post the link

Lawag3:
We don't know when he was born but we know he started his ministry in the reign of those four kings which is 740-701BC although they were three writers of Isaiah who were Isaiah himself king Hezekiah or a second prophet whose name we don't know and a third prophet who we also know nothing about (this two prophets may also be the same person) wrote the book let me explain

According to tradition first appearing in the Talmud, a compendium of Jewish law redacted in Babylonia at about 500 CE (Bava Batra 14b-15a), the Book of Isaiah was written by King Hezekiah, who reigned from 715 to 686 BCE, and his aides.


How the Jewish sages came to this conclusion is clear. The first verse of the book says that the prophet prophesied during the reigns of four Judean monarchs, the last of whom was Hezekiah. It would make sense that it was the king and his scribes who put together the compilation of Isaiah's prophecies after his death.


It would also make sense for a royal archive, if one existed in First Temple Jerusalem, would likely have contained records of prophecies. The royal archives of the Semitic city-state of Mari (in today's Syria) held records of prophecies 1000 years before Hezekiah. The royal archives of the Neo-Assyrian capital Nineveh held records of prophecies too, some written just a few decades after Isaiah's time. Keeping records of prophecies in royal archives may have been the norm or because some chapters were written in another language and made no mention of Isaiah They had to have been written by someone living after the destruction of Jerusalem in 586 BCE. The original Isaiah lived more than a century earlier, so could not have said “Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the Lord's hand double for all her sins” (40:2.)

These chapters had to have been written by some other prophet living in the context of the Babylonian Exile. Since we do not know his name, scholars refer to him (or, less likely, her) as Second Isaiah or Deutero-Isaiah.

The prophesies in the last 10 chapters of the book (56-66) seem to have been written by yet a third prophet, who lived after the Babylonian Exile, during the early Second Temple period (probably the fifth century BCE). “Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people“ (56:7), - this for example would not have been written by a prophet living in a time that the Temple lay waste.Scholars call this prophet Third Isaiah or Trito-Isaiah, though some think the language of Second and Third Isaiah are so similar that they may have been the same person writing before and after the return to Jerusalem.

Let me find the YouTube video I will post the link

the Book of Isaiah was written by King Hezekiah, who reigned from 715 to 686 BCE, and his aides? Ooh really

The original Isaiah lived more than a century earlier, so could not have said “Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the Lord's hand double for all her sins” (40:2.)

These chapters had to have been written by some other prophet living in the context of the Babylonian Exile. Since we do not know his name, scholars refer to him (or, less likely, her) as Second Isaiah or Deutero-Isaiah.

The prophesies in the last 10 chapters of the book (56-66) seem to have been written by yet a third prophet, who lived after the Babylonian Exile, during the early Second Temple period (probably the fifth century BCE).

We are making progress.

Lawag3:
We don't know when he was born but we know he started his ministry in the reign of those four kings which is 740-701BC although they were three writers of Isaiah who were Isaiah himself king Hezekiah or a second prophet whose name we don't know and a third prophet who we also know nothing about (this two prophets may also be the same person) wrote the book let me explain

According to tradition first appearing in the Talmud, a compendium of Jewish law redacted in Babylonia at about 500 CE (Bava Batra 14b-15a), the Book of Isaiah was written by King Hezekiah, who reigned from 715 to 686 BCE, and his aides.


How the Jewish sages came to this conclusion is clear. The first verse of the book says that the prophet prophesied during the reigns of four Judean monarchs, the last of whom was Hezekiah. It would make sense that it was the king and his scribes who put together the compilation of Isaiah's prophecies after his death.


It would also make sense for a royal archive, if one existed in First Temple Jerusalem, would likely have contained records of prophecies. The royal archives of the Semitic city-state of Mari (in today's Syria) held records of prophecies 1000 years before Hezekiah. The royal archives of the Neo-Assyrian capital Nineveh held records of prophecies too, some written just a few decades after Isaiah's time. Keeping records of prophecies in royal archives may have been the norm or because some chapters were written in another language and made no mention of Isaiah They had to have been written by someone living after the destruction of Jerusalem in 586 BCE. The original Isaiah lived more than a century earlier, so could not have said “Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the Lord's hand double for all her sins” (40:2.)

These chapters had to have been written by some other prophet living in the context of the Babylonian Exile. Since we do not know his name, scholars refer to him (or, less likely, her) as Second Isaiah or Deutero-Isaiah.

The prophesies in the last 10 chapters of the book (56-66) seem to have been written by yet a third prophet, who lived after the Babylonian Exile, during the early Second Temple period (probably the fifth century BCE). “Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people“ (56:7), - this for example would not have been written by a prophet living in a time that the Temple lay waste.Scholars call this prophet Third Isaiah or Trito-Isaiah, though some think the language of Second and Third Isaiah are so similar that they may have been the same person writing before and after the return to Jerusalem.

Let me find the YouTube video I will post the link

if I destroy faiths as exaggerated a claim as that sound, it's no different than destroying dishonesty or opiate addiction..All believers trick themselves into thinking that a jewish deity named yahweh created all races of humanity which formed science, technology and civilization for 4000yrs until yahweh decided to reformulate his whole plan and send a son he impregnated a human virgin with to save humans from his own threat of eternal punishment of disbelief. That whole story is so full of logical contradictions, a considerable amount of the worlds population doesn't believe such mythology. If there had been one single truth hidden in your piles of shallow research that had been repeated over and over again for so many centuries without a doubt, it would have been discovered and the whole universe would have at least agreed on that point. If that truth was necessary, as the sun is to the earth, it would shine like the sun. It is an absurdity, it is an outrage against the human race, it is a felonious assault against the infinite and supreme God to say: there is a truth essential to man and the supreme inventor has hidden it.
The entire religion has persisted as an attempt to salvage the verity of written claims made centuries ago that eschew rather than confirm logic which is an older mental discipline. The text proves to be logically flawed, and what good is any god that is described within demonstrably flawed texts? God should have written his own book but he didn't what good is an Illiterate god?

Mutant001:
if I destroy faiths as exaggerated a claim as that sound, it's no different than destroying dishonesty or opiate addiction..All believers trick themselves into thinking that a jewish deity named yahweh created all races of humanity which formed science, technology and civilization for 4000yrs until yahweh decided to reformulate his whole plan and send a son he impregnated a human virgin with to save humans from his own threat of eternal punishment of disbelief. That whole story is so full of logical contradictions, a considerable amount of the worlds population doesn't believe such mythology. If there had been one single truth hidden in your piles of shallow research that had been repeated over and over again for so many centuries without a doubt, it would have been discovered and the whole universe would have at least agreed on that point. If that truth was necessary, as the sun is to the earth, it would shine like the sun. It is an absurdity, it is an outrage against the human race, it is a felonious assault against the infinite and supreme God to say: there is a truth essential to man and the supreme inventor has hidden it.
The entire religion has persisted as an attempt to salvage the verity of written claims made centuries ago that eschew rather than confirm logic which is an older mental discipline. The text proves to be logically flawed, and what good is any god that is described within demonstrably flawed texts? God should have written his own book but he didn't what good is an Illiterate god?

People who have discovered God agrees with what I have said I could help you discover God.

Point out the flawed verses let's tackle them together.

Lawag3:
People who have discovered God agrees with what I have said I could help you discover God.

Point out the flawed verses let's tackle them together.

first of all answer these questions in chronological order with accuracy, precision and validity...don't forget to send links
1.who wrote the bible?

2.who compiled it?

3.when was each book of the bible written and compiled?

4.who stored it over thousands of years?

5.who appointed and selected the book that should be included as canonical books?

6.on what basis were some canonical books removed and added and why is the book of the bible 66?

7.did supreme God himself pick the book of the bible to be included during compilation?

8.did Supreme God appoint anyone as compilator...then when was that..and whom did he appoint?

9.why did pagan historical actors like emperors and ceaser has so much influence on the bible?

10.who truly wrote ecclesiastes, proverb and many more books in the bible with controversial authors?