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Re: Soludo's Tax Policies Choking — Schools, Traders Protest by Moymoy: 11:23am On Nov 11, 2022
Sammy07:
How will a state run without enough IGR?

or you want him to keep borrowing like Buhari?

Some of una economics self, Abi no be the same economics, pub. Fin, macro eco, econometrics we do for schoolhuh
Can we be frank for once? IGR collection is not the issue, but leakages. If the people have to hand cash over to a human being, money go loss.... Almost all.
Get a system going that hits the state government account immediately, Cancel this road block mentality, for God's sake.
Do you get what I am saying? For instance, the TOTAL card for drivers buying fuel. Carry a card, pay for what you consume. Stops pilfering because the driver is not using cash. If you go to Abuja markets and even the international airport, they disable the automatic gate because that one accurately audits the takings, and they issue a manual ticket. Why? Because in that case, it's whatever they like that they will remit.
If we want good examples, let's see South Africa. In Johannesburg when I went in 2012, they had an electronic toll system. If you drive under it on the highway, it detects whether your car paper is still valid or not. If your paper is expired, they have already scheduled your banking details when the car papers were renewed. It directly debits your account. No Road safety to block you on the road and give you illegal fines that will end up in private pockets.

Simple. Do something similar. Forget all these tickets, toll gates, multiple taxation from government, local government, unions, etc. Make a simple, accountable system, fix leakages, and let's move forward.
Re: Soludo's Tax Policies Choking — Schools, Traders Protest by DadaHammed: 11:27am On Nov 11, 2022
Soludo is clueless, I even overrated the man's intelligence, you are taxing SME's to death with multiple taxations, yet you want them to clap for you. The only idea you have is...punitive tax...tax....tax..

The man has ran out of ideas. He should step aside.
Re: Soludo's Tax Policies Choking — Schools, Traders Protest by DadaHammed: 11:31am On Nov 11, 2022
frugal:
The same state Obi ran without borrowing a single kobo and still left huge sums of money for the next guy? How did he do it? Did he tax the people to death to generate IGR?
Obiano used the treasury to drink champagne and expensive wine.
Re: Soludo's Tax Policies Choking — Schools, Traders Protest by ElSudani: 11:32am On Nov 11, 2022
XerXers:
SE economy is run by informal sector. This is why it has high GDP but low IGR. Soludo should understand the peculiarities of the state before joining the IGR bandwagon
Paying your taxes is one of your legal responsibilities to the state. How much tax is a different argument, but taxes you must pay.
Re: Soludo's Tax Policies Choking — Schools, Traders Protest by Nobody:
seguno2:
Raise fees for universities without free education for all children in primary and secondary schools?
So what are they doing with the IGR collected from the people, as well as allocations and loans? Did Awolowo and the LOBOO governors have so much money when they provided free education, as every japa country still does?
This is not a defence of the government, but the fact is, we are not generating enough in IGR, and in oil money, even if we take away stealing.

Anytime I hear IGR figures for any state, I just laugh. We should be earning in the trillions of naira per state, not the billions, to be honest.

The problem is, Nigeria has a low tax to gdp ratio, and a low taxation uptake. Not just Nigeria...most African countries. The problem also is, most of us live under the poverty line...so if we charged taxes at the rate they did in say the USA, or UK, people would revolt. The looting that goes on in this government...and past ones, makes the matter worse....so it is not like I am saying that 'Nigeria is underdeveloped because we are not collecting enough in taxes...'....it is just one of the many reasons...most prominent...our oil dependency....that we have issues.

You can mock Lagos, and I also laugh...but the fact is, Lagos has a higher tax uptake than most Nigerian states...which means that as you are lauighing at Lagos, you are also laughing at the whole country....including the states run by the party or side you support.


If we want more money, either subsides on education, petrol, power and so forth go......or we become a producer nation (which is why APC has failed really....that is the correct answer to the question why we whould not vote APC again...we haven't become a producer nation under them...).....or we take loans.

That's one reason why I cannot vote for their tinubu, and your Atiku, and your Obi. None of these people are willing to make hard choices to get us out of this mess. Because telling people that they need to pay more tax, taxing the informal sector to guarantee the free education YOU want....removing petrol subsidy, removing power subsidy...all that means short term suffering....which most of us don't want.

Hell, I don't want it myself. I wish we could have free universites, free power, petrol at N10 (Which one of my heroes Gani was formulating years ago) and so forth. But the thing is, good stuff, even the free stuff , has to be paid for.

Because nothing is free in Freetown.

By the way, education is free in Germany.NHS is free at the point of contact in the UK... Meanwhile, their tax rate is scary stuff...if we implemented it in Nigeria, there would be a revolution in minutes. Free stuff costs money.

You can call me a APC supporter, or a PDP supporter, or a Zomideint..or whatever...but nothing is free. We either wake up to that, or pretend that we can keep things free, while we take loans tire to maintain the pretense of 'free stuff'
Re: Soludo's Tax Policies Choking — Schools, Traders Protest by VaginaMiners: 11:50am On Nov 11, 2022
XerXers:
SE economy is run by informal sector. This is why it has high GDP but low IGR. Soludo should understand the peculiarities of the state before joining the IGR bandwagon
Lmao
Social media sha
See a poorly lettered clown lecturing a professor of Economics on Economic matters .
grin grin
Re: Soludo's Tax Policies Choking — Schools, Traders Protest by adaure202: 11:51am On Nov 11, 2022
When you have nothing to offer, you begin Blame games..Soludo, Buhari really taught you wellWhen you have nothing to offer, you begin Blame games..Soludo, Buhari really taught you well...
Re: Soludo's Tax Policies Choking — Schools, Traders Protest by VaginaMiners: 11:55am On Nov 11, 2022
BossGerald:
Igr without any improvement in the lives of ogun state residents...bad roads everywhere

Show me a picture of your cities better than Owerri, stop your nonesense igr shit that abiodun has embezzled.
See this ungrateful refugee
Why not go back to your shit hole with good roads grin grin
Re: Soludo's Tax Policies Choking — Schools, Traders Protest by Nobody: 11:57am On Nov 11, 2022
XerXers:
SE economy is run by informal sector. This is why it has high GDP but low IGR. Soludo should understand the peculiarities of the state before joining the IGR bandwagon
The truth is, oil revenue has been poor for nearly 9 years...

So, either your governor starts taxing the informal sector, or the state is going to have to take loans.

As much as I hate to say this, you cannot be doing your informal business in Anambra and not be paying a dime to government.

So, taxes...or more loans. Take your choice.
Re: Soludo's Tax Policies Choking — Schools, Traders Protest by zionstaar75(m): 12:04pm On Nov 11, 2022
gypsey:
Your cousin is not the only person paying taxes in the UK, i have being paying taxes since i turned 18 in the UK, not every wages are taxed, if your cousin wants to work 80 hours a week he will pay high taxes, but if he works 20 hours a week he will not pay taxes, Soiudo is going about forcing people who are struggling to make ends meet to pay taxes. Did your cousin also tell you that he doesn't pay for hospital bills and he can receive out of work benefit if he wasn't working? Is Soludo offering these benefits in Anambra? Soludo is a goon
so working 4 hours a day is what?if he taxes people and they don't see what he's doing with the money fine but just accusing him for taxing people is hogwash.
Re: Soludo's Tax Policies Choking — Schools, Traders Protest by Nobody: 12:13pm On Nov 11, 2022
zionstaar75:
so working 4 hours a day is what?if he taxes people and they don't see what he's doing with the money fine but just accusing him for taxing people is hogwash.
Well.. if your cousin don't want to pay taxes he should work less hours, as i have explained taxes are paid acording to earnings, if i am jobless, i cannot be taxed, if my earnings are not enough to pay my bills i cannot be taxed. grin I am not accussing him of taxing people,.my point is he is chasing after the wrong people for taxes and using guns to force people to pay, that is wrong, in Naigeria if Soludo forces me to pay taxes this month next month i might shut my shop, naigeria is not like UK where people are guaranteed work most Naigerians are wheel barrow pushers, market women and food stuff petty traders, if you support paying taxes i ask you again, have you paid your own taxes?
Re: Soludo's Tax Policies Choking — Schools, Traders Protest by Nobody: 12:14pm On Nov 11, 2022
Sammy07:
But of truth.

Anambra is currently choking of tax.

I don't know why media is just reporting it,

for like 2 weeks now
I thought he was talking about harmonizing tax collection recently... ?
Re: Soludo's Tax Policies Choking — Schools, Traders Protest by BossGerald: 12:19pm On Nov 11, 2022
VaginaMiners:
See this ungrateful refugee
Why not go back to your shit hole with good roads grin grin
Point of correction, I don't live in your overrated region, I live in a better atmosphere, what about you?? Any pictures?? Pls don't show me lagos

I want your home state pictures
Re: Soludo's Tax Policies Choking — Schools, Traders Protest by bayelsaowei(m): 12:25pm On Nov 11, 2022
E choke... cheesy
Re: Soludo's Tax Policies Choking — Schools, Traders Protest by caracas: 12:26pm On Nov 11, 2022
Odin13:
Bro dem no reach

All those imo and Abia people

Observe how their thread they die

They need to keep opening thread after thread and none the make sense

Obi will lose Anambra

E sure

Anambrains are not bingos grin
Lose to who?
Monkey just full nairaland sha
Re: Soludo's Tax Policies Choking — Schools, Traders Protest by Nobody: 12:28pm On Nov 11, 2022
ElSudani:
Paying your taxes is one of your legal responsibilities to the state. How much tax is a different argument, but taxes you must pay.
Not nercerssarily, for a government to tax me, they must explain to me why i am been taxed, they cannot wake up one day and start collecting taxes just because they want, Soludo should start by taxing high earners like the so called celebrities who are flashing their cash on social medias and big businesses not harrassing barrow pushers and keke drivers, Soludo should go to main market onitsha,Old moto parts and New parts Nkpor, Electronics line in Onitsha or Old parts Obosi, Medicines market, Mechanic workshops and see if he will not lose support, him and his gun carrying thugs will be beaten up at these places i mentioned.
Re: Soludo's Tax Policies Choking — Schools, Traders Protest by Nobody: 12:42pm On Nov 11, 2022
StrongandMighty:
Soludo goofed this time around..
It's always very important to chose your battles wisely
Goofed for saying the truth!

Soludo has been boxed to a tight corner and all he can do now is say the truth so Anambran`s dont think the state has much!

Anambra has been looted heavily that Soludo barely has little to start a project, and why he is embarking on cosmetic projects!

If Soludo should release more detailed info about past administration, you will weep for dude!

So you expect him to be covering up when all is not going well!
Re: Soludo's Tax Policies Choking — Schools, Traders Protest by Dirpetaner: 1:04pm On Nov 11, 2022
igbo amaka

Re: Soludo's Tax Policies Choking — Schools, Traders Protest by IfnobeGod20(m): 1:10pm On Nov 11, 2022
Any governor that want to use Lagos model to collect tax in his state, is digging his political grave. I have said and I will say it again. Lagos special features allow many things to be done without aisle and its also a business hub for any goods.
Charles Soludo has to look for alternative ways of generating revenue for the state before he pelt himself against the people of Anambra. It is better people outside should abuse you that he didn't increase Anambra IGR but you make your people comfortable and ease than putting strain on them.
All states cannot be like Lagos because of its peculiarity that cannot be seen in any state of the federation.
The economy is harsh now, tax increment should be gradual and not in a sweep as he does. From #500 to #3,000. That gap is much. He need to do that gradually based on the economy situation, as it improves.
Re: Soludo's Tax Policies Choking — Schools, Traders Protest by EngrKemp: 1:12pm On Nov 11, 2022
Hollysaint:
Are you from Anambra?
Go to any any Anambra group on Facebook it's filled with complain about taxes.Keke operator's went on strike because of 15,000 tax.Please verify it and you will see that this is true.
But it's not bad to pay tax now haba.
Nigerians should learn to pay taxes.
If Keke pays year tax of 15k ,it's still better than agboros collecting the money from them daily.
They should pay.
The only thing is that if they feel it's too much which I don't think, they should go and negotiate with the government.
Re: Soludo's Tax Policies Choking — Schools, Traders Protest by Nobody: 1:27pm On Nov 11, 2022
gypsey:
Not nercerssarily, for a government to tax me, they must explain to me why i am been taxed, they cannot wake up one day and start collecting taxes just because they want, Soludo should start by taxing high earners like the so called celebrities who are flashing their cash on social medias and big businesses not harrassing barrow pushers and keke drivers, Soludo should go to main market onitsha,Old moto parts and New parts Nkpor, Electronics line in Onitsha or Old parts Obosi, Medicines market, Mechanic workshops and see if he will not lose support, him and his gun carrying thugs will be beaten up at these places i mentioned.
I get what you are saying, but the harsh truth is, everyone living in a state, must be taxed..the poor inclusive, or most states are going to be broke.

I noticed you defended taxation in developed countries by saying that they 'are sure of a job'. Well, I got news for you....many of those people complain about not being paid a living wage. Many complain about how high taxes are , and how they suffer.

The truth is we cannot earn enough money for all our needs by selling oil or agric or any other raw materials because one big issue with them is that their prices fluctuate, and as such are never at a level that can sustain us. (The reason why Saddam invaded Kuwait in 1990 was because oil prices were too low to sustain Iraq, and he thought that by taking over Kuwait, the Iraqi nation would get more oil money for its needs.).

The UK has a lot of good amenities ...because tax rates are very very very high. Free health care? High taxes. Good roads..high taxes, and tolls. You see the picture. (Even the BBC....everyone, including foreign residents, pays TV licence fees. And yes, it costs money, and yes, it is a major expense. And recently they included people over 75 years of age. That is why the BBC looks like a modern station despite being a government run business...).

Nigeria has problems because of bad leaders....and one of the signs of bad leadership is pretending that we can live from the revenue selling oil. The thing is, at best we can earn less than 100billion dollars per annum IF oil is around 100-120 dollars per barrel. IF. Meanwhile we need at least 3 times that before we can get up to UK or Saudi level of living.

Soludo is being realistic. Either he starts charging taxes....or he is going to have to take loans to supplement the income he gets from der FAAC. The real reason why most of your governors take loans, apart from the mass stealing they do...is because they want to avoid taxing everyone in their state at a high rate. Soludo is too much of a technocrat to do that.
Re: Soludo's Tax Policies Choking — Schools, Traders Protest by Nobody: 1:29pm On Nov 11, 2022
IfnobeGod20:
Any governor that want to use Lagos model to collect tax in his state, is digging his political grave. I have said and I will say it again. Lagos special features allow many things to be done without aisle and its also a business hub for any goods.
Charles Soludo has to look for alternative ways of generating revenue for the state before he pelt himself against the people of Anambra. It is better people outside should abuse you that he didn't increase Anambra IGR but you make your people comfortable and ease than putting strain on them.
All states cannot be like Lagos because of its peculiarity that cannot be seen in any state of the federation.
The economy is harsh now, tax increment should be gradual and not in a sweep as he does. From #500 to #3,000. That gap is much. He need to do that gradually based on the economy situation, as it improves.
So what are the alternative ways?

Raw materials? okay...but prices of raw materials rise and fall, and are never stable.

Beg Abuja for more oil money? When what we are earning is not enough in the first place before looting?

That leaves us with taking loans...which you so don't want....or taxes.

Plus Lagos is not perculiar or anything....most people living there are as broke as anything.
Re: Soludo's Tax Policies Choking — Schools, Traders Protest by EdiskyHarry: 1:36pm On Nov 11, 2022
If it was wike he would have been tagged a dictator, if it's El rufai he is a religious bigot,
But once it's soludo he is right according to some people
Re: Soludo's Tax Policies Choking — Schools, Traders Protest by Nobody: 1:37pm On Nov 11, 2022
EdiskyHarry:
If it was wike he would have been tagged a dictator, if it's El rufai he is a religious bigot,
But once it's soludo he is right according to some people
If Wike or El Rufai did the same, some of us would be tagging them wise.

Oil money cannot feed all of us.
Re: Soludo's Tax Policies Choking — Schools, Traders Protest by Nijablast: 1:47pm On Nov 11, 2022
Zombedientz fighting back. The have really collected the gbas gbos wotowoto this week grin grin grin
Awon paper investors >: angry shocked
Re: Soludo's Tax Policies Choking — Schools, Traders Protest by zionstaar75(m): 1:48pm On Nov 11, 2022
gypsey:
Well.. if your cousin don't want to pay taxes he should work less hours, as i have explained taxes are paid acording to earnings, if i am jobless, i cannot be taxed, if my earnings are not enough to pay my bills i cannot be taxed. grin I am not accussing him of taxing people,.my point is he is chasing after the wrong people for taxes and using guns to force people to pay, that is wrong, in Naigeria if Soludo forces me to pay taxes this month next month i might shut my shop, naigeria is not like UK where people are guaranteed work most Naigerians are wheel barrow pushers, market women and food stuff petty traders, if you support paying taxes i ask you again, have you paid your own taxes?
of course I do,I pay land tax,I pay for signage in front of my office, I pay vat e.t.c.im a legit guy so I pay several taxes
Re: Soludo's Tax Policies Choking — Schools, Traders Protest by netmillionaires(m): 1:49pm On Nov 11, 2022
I don't gerrit. Did Soludo attack Obi? Just a question.

Realist12:
You'd be surprised the kind of attacks Soludo will face in the coming days . All his policies will be attacked , nothing good will come out from his government even if he paves the road gold and copper, how dare he criticize Obi.
H.E Soludo should brace up for Buhari level of criticism in the coming days .
Re: Soludo's Tax Policies Choking — Schools, Traders Protest by LZAA: 2:03pm On Nov 11, 2022
Sammy07:
Mini or mega.

A state and country cannot run without enough money.

Except they keep on borrowing.

Why do you think developed countries tax her people seriously??

Cos they want to reduce borrowing
No
They tax them seriously because the economy is strong enough
I don't know how some of you reason
Economically you are correct but common sense always trumps economics at some point
That is the reason you have rebates and reliefs and covid checks
Do you get the picture now?
Also like someone rightly said the informal sector drives the SE economy
If you try taxing it to death you will meet massive resistance
That aside i really pity Anambra ,imo and abia states
Obi and mbakwe aside,those states have been governed by i.mbeciles
Re: Soludo's Tax Policies Choking — Schools, Traders Protest by alphaNomega: 2:20pm On Nov 11, 2022
Soludo, the cow that wanted to redenominate naira. What an idiotic move!
Re: Soludo's Tax Policies Choking — Schools, Traders Protest by alphaNomega: 2:21pm On Nov 11, 2022
LZAA:
No
They tax them seriously because the economy is strong enough
I don't know how some of you reason
Economically you are correct but common sense always trumps economics at some point
That is the reason you have rebates and reliefs and covid checks
Do you get the picture now?
Also like someone rightly said the informal sector drives the SE economy
If you try taxing it to death you will meet massive resistance
That aside i really pity Anambra ,imo and abia states
[b]Obi and mbakwe aside,those states have been governed by i.mbecile[/b]s
I tell you and this Soludo cow has joined the wagon.
Re: Soludo's Tax Policies Choking — Schools, Traders Protest by Nobody:
Kobonaire234:
I get what you are saying, but the harsh truth is, everyone living in a state, must be taxed..the poor inclusive, or most states are going to be broke.

I noticed you defended taxation in developed countries by saying that they 'are sure of a job'. Well, I got news for you....many of those people complain about not being paid a living wage. Many complain about how high taxes are , and how they suffer.

The truth is we cannot earn enough money for all our needs by selling oil or agric or any other raw materials because one big issue with them is that their prices fluctuate, and as such are never at a level that can sustain us. (The reason why Saddam invaded Kuwait in 1990 was because oil prices were too low to sustain Iraq, and he thought that by taking over Kuwait, the Iraqi nation would get more oil money for its needs.).

The UK has a lot of good amenities ...because tax rates are very very very high. Free health care? High taxes. Good roads..high taxes, and tolls. You see the picture. (Even the BBC....everyone, including foreign residents, pays TV licence fees. And yes, it costs money, and yes, it is a major expense. And recently they included people over 75 years of age. That is why the BBC looks like a modern station despite being a government run business...).

Nigeria has problems because of bad leaders....and one of the signs of bad leadership is pretending that we can live from the revenue selling oil. The thing is, at best we can earn less than 100billion dollars per annum IF oil is around 100-120 dollars per barrel. IF. Meanwhile we need at least 3 times that before we can get up to UK or Saudi level of living.

Soludo is being realistic. Either he starts charging taxes....or he is going to have to take loans to supplement the income he gets from der FAAC. The real reason why most of your governors take loans, apart from the mass stealing they do...is because they want to avoid taxing everyone in their state at a high rate. Soludo is too much of a technocrat to do that.
I support taxations not just in the UK, i support taxations in Naigeria too, and the poor shouldn't be taxed, if anything taxea are used to look after the poor. grin how many politicians and celebrities pays taxes in Naigeria, Soludo should begin taxes from taxing his wealthy friends not harrasing poor people.


In the UK the government provide jobs and then tax workers, but Soludo have not provided any jobs but want to force taxes...
Did you also know that the UK government provides jobless people with money to live until they can find a job, Is Soludo doing the same?

Have you paid your taxes? grin if Soludo carries on like this he will lose support. He should educate people on how important it is to pay taxes and show them examples of why paying taxes are important not harrassing poor people in the name of collecting taxes, people will pay willingly if they see where their taxes are going positively into the system.
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