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Re: 2023 Presidency: Who Do You Think The Organized Private Sector Will Support? by Freebills12: 9:40pm On Nov 16, 2022
Where were they when Buhari with nepa bill as a school certificate won 2015 election?

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Re: 2023 Presidency: Who Do You Think The Organized Private Sector Will Support? by Franchise21(m): 9:40pm On Nov 16, 2022
Atlantis585:


What does Tinubu do for a living?
What does he manufacture other than drugs and exportation of Lagos money?
Thank you. Good question asked... Unfortunately, they won't have answers to it
Re: 2023 Presidency: Who Do You Think The Organized Private Sector Will Support? by PrinceOfLagos: 9:40pm On Nov 16, 2022
MelesZanawi:


No wonder Soludo said you Obi supporters are stupid. This fool thinks the OPS is a chieftaincy title like the one you guys are killing yourselves over.
The Peter Obi movement is bigger than everything you stand for. The earlier you realise these the better for you

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Re: 2023 Presidency: Who Do You Think The Organized Private Sector Will Support? by franudi: 9:41pm On Nov 16, 2022
Peter Obi.

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Re: 2023 Presidency: Who Do You Think The Organized Private Sector Will Support? by plaindealer: 9:43pm On Nov 16, 2022
Atlantis585:


What does Tinubu do for a living?
What does he manufacture other than drugs and exportation of Lagos money?


Today you go say Tinubu owns the whole of Lagos, after that he owns The Nation, TVC, MAX FM and so on, and tomorrow, you still go shout and wail that he's jobless and doesn't do anything for a living and he's just looting your money from abia and umuahia..


Who swear for you people? grin grin

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Re: 2023 Presidency: Who Do You Think The Organized Private Sector Will Support? by phorget(m): 9:43pm On Nov 16, 2022
MelesZanawi:


Obi is part of those destroying the Nigerian economy by his importation of baked beans and salad cream. He is a threat to Nigeria's Local rice sustainability as he has said he will support importation of rice.
The OPS knows how to deal with people like him.


The audio investment in local productions of rice hasn't yield nothing bro.
A good investor would identify what the solution is then invest. If salad cream and baked beans local production is not enough to satisfy the demand then why would you blame the importation of such goods?
If the government of the day is living up to expectations then why would an Obi import?

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Re: 2023 Presidency: Who Do You Think The Organized Private Sector Will Support? by Melvinkel: 9:43pm On Nov 16, 2022
JoeNL22:

And who told you that the private sector can't support him?

Your comments are an attack on obi......why do you think is policies won't favour local producers?....Is it only imports obi does?

Because obi doesn't brag like Tinubu or Atiku, flying around the world for medical treatments doesn't mean obi is not well rounded in terms of money.

The Tinubu you just mentioned now is flying to France and London for medical rest.....why can't he do the medical rest in Lagos? After now!, his urchins will claim he built Lagos. And Atiku......that guy just want to be privatise anything and everything. The 2 of them are jokers!......whether you like it or not. Peter the rock will recieve the overwhelming support of the private sector. For with God not you. Obi shall be POssible
.

Stop crying stop crying

Re: 2023 Presidency: Who Do You Think The Organized Private Sector Will Support? by stanisbaratheon: 9:43pm On Nov 16, 2022
They will be split across party lines and tribe.

Remember what happened when Justice onoghen was removed? The judiciary was split into two. Those in support of the government due to party affiliation and tribe, and those that are in support of the independence of the judiciary and democracy.
Re: 2023 Presidency: Who Do You Think The Organized Private Sector Will Support? by Belleful: 9:45pm On Nov 16, 2022
It's obvious the writer don't know much about Atiku, and he is a fan of Peter obi, that is why he praise Obi with assumption's of what he don't know. Before you write something for debate, please try doing a proper research next time.
Re: 2023 Presidency: Who Do You Think The Organized Private Sector Will Support? by Reference(m): 9:47pm On Nov 16, 2022
N3TRAL:


Can you please explain the correlation between inflation and the size of government? Your explanation will be better if you can provide one or two successful case studies. Thank you.

This night, haba.
But the short answer is:
Who controls the bulk of the money in and out and what they do with it to produce stuff or not.

Successful case studies? within nations, in Nigeria or around the world?
Re: 2023 Presidency: Who Do You Think The Organized Private Sector Will Support? by ogododo: 9:47pm On Nov 16, 2022
PrinceOfLagos:

The Peter Obi movement is bigger than everything you stand for. The earlier you realise these the better for you
A man wey wan open borders for all products. Una no know wetin una dey do. Obi no get plan.
Re: 2023 Presidency: Who Do You Think The Organized Private Sector Will Support? by Mordecai(m): 9:49pm On Nov 16, 2022
N3TRAL:


Can you please explain the correlation between inflation and the size of government? Your explanation will be better if you can provide one or two successful case studies. Thank you.

It's a simple relationship. Reducing the amount of money in circulation can slow down inflation. Government being the biggest spender can reduce money in circulation by making payments to creditors instead, and reducing the overbloated current expenditure.

Thing is, in Nigeria, there are other factors at play, which they don't account for in economics textbooks - the stolen funds stashed away in warehouses, tanks, pits etc. The crazy demand for the dollar as a store of value for the stolen funds, which defies all rational thought.

These people cannot be wished away, but you cannot still entrust our future to them.

This is why we need someone like PO, humble enough to massage their ego and keep them from torpedoing the economy, yet stubborn enough to take the right decisions even he is being manipulated emotionally, as well as disciplined enough not to join the other side when he gets to power.
Re: 2023 Presidency: Who Do You Think The Organized Private Sector Will Support? by Mordecai(m): 9:53pm On Nov 16, 2022
ogododo:
A man wey wan open borders for all products. Una no know wetin una dey do. Obi no get plan.

It's counterintuitive, but it's the way out of this quagmire. Take a look at our entertainment industry. The IT industry. It didn't get where it is today by censure.

We Nigerians being who we are, as well as with our numbers, will be the ones swallowing up these other economies, not the other way round.
Re: 2023 Presidency: Who Do You Think The Organized Private Sector Will Support? by 36STATES: 9:56pm On Nov 16, 2022
As a businessman I will support a candidate that has been a genuine businessman from birth and that is Peter Obi. Tinubu and Atiku are government businessmen that have stolen billions in dollars. They can't compete without government given monopoly and the stolen fund. Obi has been in business all his life without any government support or stolen money like Tinubu and Atiku, It is only a brain dead person that will take those two candidates above Peter Obi.

Who said importers are not businessmen? Obi is the only one amongst them that understands what steady electricity means for a business man. Tinubu does not need electricity to run Alpha Beta, and TVC was not set up to make profit, it is just for his political interest. Athiku does not need electricity to collect his fees at Nigerian ports which he cornered when he was in government. Do you know that he owns the company that processes passport payment for those of us overseas?

Obi runs a brick and mortar business like the NEXT Group and beer brewing business, those are the real business not Tinubu and Atiku portfolio carrying business.
Re: 2023 Presidency: Who Do You Think The Organized Private Sector Will Support? by Idaytesj29(m): 9:56pm On Nov 16, 2022
JoeNL22:

And who told you that the private sector can't support him?

Your comments are an attack on obi......why do you think is policies won't favour local producers?....Is it only imports obi does?

Because obi doesn't brag like Tinubu or Atiku, flying around the world for medical treatments doesn't mean obi is not well rounded in terms of money.

The Tinubu you just mentioned now is flying to France and London for medical rest.....why can't he do the medical rest in Lagos? After now!, his urchins will claim he built Lagos. And Atiku......that guy just want to be privatise anything and everything. The 2 of them are jokers!......whether you like it or not. Peter the rock will recieve the overwhelming support of the private sector. For with God not you. Obi shall be POssible

Check the op post, it was filled with bias against Tinubu, but you didn't see that because its Tinubu he deserves it, it's fair.

But then someone came up to defend Tinubu and pointed out that instead of Tinubu, it's in fact Obi that the organised private sector will not support and he gave points to defend his position. You started barking.

You people criticise but can't take criticism.
It will take miracle for Obi to win this election and a big chunk of the blame will be on the Obi supporters

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Re: 2023 Presidency: Who Do You Think The Organized Private Sector Will Support? by N3TRAL: 9:57pm On Nov 16, 2022
Mordecai:


It's a simple relationship. Reducing the amount of money in circulation can slow down inflation. Government being the biggest spender can reduce money in circulation by making payments to creditors instead, and reducing the overbloated current expenditure.

Thing is, in Nigeria, there are other factors at play, which they don't account for in economics textbooks - the stolen funds stashed away in warehouses, tanks, pits etc. The crazy demand for the dollar as a store of value for the stolen funds, which defies all rational thought.

These people cannot be wished away, but you cannot still entrust our future to them.

This is why we need someone like PO, humble enough to massage their ego and keep them from torpedoing the economy, yet stubborn enough to take the right decisions even he is being manipulated emotionally, as well as disciplined enough not to join the other side when he gets to power.

You're talking about demand-pull inflation. Nigeria does not suffer demand-pull inflation. A country with a minimum wage of 30,000 naira a month cannot suffer demand pull inflation. We suffer cost-push inflation and promoting an economic policy that will prevent injection will make our built-in inflation worse.

That's by the way. You still haven't shown how government spending in Nigeria significantly causes inflation.

Put differently: How does government spending make the price of indomie to change every month?
Re: 2023 Presidency: Who Do You Think The Organized Private Sector Will Support? by ogododo: 9:57pm On Nov 16, 2022
Mordecai:


It's counterintuitive, but it's the way out of this quagmire. Take a look at our entertainment industry. The IT industry. It didn't get where it is today by censure.

We Nigerians being who we are, as well as with our numbers, will be the ones swallowing up these other economies, not the other way round.
Eat, drink and wear Naija.
Re: 2023 Presidency: Who Do You Think The Organized Private Sector Will Support? by emmydee(m): 9:58pm On Nov 16, 2022
Peter Obi
Re: 2023 Presidency: Who Do You Think The Organized Private Sector Will Support? by 36STATES: 9:58pm On Nov 16, 2022
plaindealer:



Today you go say Tinubu owns the whole of Lagos, after that he owns The Nation, TVC, MAX FM and so on, and tomorrow, you still go shout and wail that he's jobless and doesn't do anything for a living and he's just looting your money from abia and umuahia..


Who swear for you people? grin grin



Those are no business, they are for his political project, You cannot make money with those kind of business.
Re: 2023 Presidency: Who Do You Think The Organized Private Sector Will Support? by ogododo: 9:59pm On Nov 16, 2022
36STATES:
As a businessman I will support a candidate that has been a genuine businessman from birth and that is Peter Obi. Tinubu and Atiku are government businessmen that have stolen billions in dollars. They can't compete without government given monopoly and the stolen fund. Obi has been in business all his life without any government support or stolen money like Tinubu and Atiku, It is only a brain dead person that will take those two candidates above Peter Obi.

Who said importers are not businessmen? Obi is the only one amongst them that understands what steady electricity means for a business man. Tinubu does not need electricity to run Alpha Beta, and TVC was not set up to make profit, it is just for his political interest. Athiku does not need electricity to collect his fees at Nigerian ports which he cornered when he was in government. Do you know that he owns the company that processes passport payment for those of us overseas?

Obi runs a brick and mortar business like the NEXT Group and a bear brewing business, those are the real business not Tinubu and Atiku portfolio carrying business.

You sabi Intels? Obi no get plan.
Re: 2023 Presidency: Who Do You Think The Organized Private Sector Will Support? by 123papas(m): 10:00pm On Nov 16, 2022
Obi was chairman of Chams
Re: 2023 Presidency: Who Do You Think The Organized Private Sector Will Support? by GloriousGbola: 10:01pm On Nov 16, 2022
The head office of fidelity bank is in lagos. In vi. The vi that Tinubu rebuilt. The chairman of fidelity bank knew he could not site the banks head office in Anambra. And that was foresight. Today ESN would have kidnapped and beheaded the fidelity bank board.
Re: 2023 Presidency: Who Do You Think The Organized Private Sector Will Support? by sayso: 10:03pm On Nov 16, 2022
Penguin2:
The Organized Private Sector (OPS) made up of the Nigerian Chambers of Commerce, Industry, Mines and Agriculture (NACCIMA), Manufacturers Association of Nigeria (MAN), and other similar bodies, are one of the strongest cabals in Nigeria that are rarely spoken of.

This body holds all the banks, Insurance companies, Telecom companies, etc, with millions of employees under their influence.

Sometimes ago, I heard it said somewhere that if the Organized Private Sector do not want you to win an election, you are going nowhere. While this is debatable, it is not far from the truth.

Having established the sphere of influence of the OPS, let’s now go into the crux of this piece - who do you think the OPS will support for the presidency in the 2023 presidential election?

Is it Tinubu?

Tinubu was governor of Lagos for 8 years; everyone knows about that. And I think his only relationship with the OPS came from when he was governor since Lagos is the economic nerve centre of the country. But that was it. Before and after his governorship, Tinubu is not known to have owned any business that made him a member of any of these bodies which would make him understand the needs of these bodies. If anything, the administration of Tinubu introduced a lot of taxes which suffocates businesses; no matter how we want to argue about how imperative the introduction of those taxes are.

Is it Atiku?

Like Tinubu, Atiku has no much affiliation with the OPS except for his time as Vice President of Nigeria and his ownership of Intels, a company that handles shipping of oil or so, which he has now divested from. Atiku also owns the American University in Adamawa but I don’t know if proprietors of schools are part of the OPS (people who know better should inform us).

Is it Peter Obi?

Of the 3 frontline candidates, Peter Obi is the only one who has been, and might still be, a member of the OPS. Having been Chairman of Fidelity Bank and sat on the board of directors of another bank, Obi is clearly sunken into the OPS. Again, being a major importer in Nigeria, something his traducers seldom use against him, Peter Obi is also a member of importers and exporters association of Nigeria (if there’s any such body). But what his being an importer means is that he understands the pains importers pass through to source forex and to clear their goods when they eventually land; not talking about high excise duties that these importers pay just to clear their goods.

So, from the foregoing, it’s quite obvious that Peter Obi is not only a friend of the OPS, he’s part of the OPS, if not part of the board of directors.

But this is Nigeria. That Peter Obi is part of the OPS is not a guarantee that the body would support him. So many other factors might make the body choose to support another presidential candidate like Tinubu or Atiku. Worthy to mention that it is also not likely that they will all swing to one person as interest and motivation might bring about divergence of opinion and choices amongst them.

But who do you think they will support?

Penguin is a bird of reason.
You gave Tinubu 1 paragraph.
You gave Atiku 1 paragraph.
You gave Obi 3 paragraphs.
You already decided before posting.
After 25th of February 2023, you will know.
Re: 2023 Presidency: Who Do You Think The Organized Private Sector Will Support? by masseratti: 10:05pm On Nov 16, 2022
ogododo:


[b]Real estate
Edit
In 1974, he applied for and received a 31,000 naira loan to build his first house in Yola, which he put up for rent. From proceeds of the rent, he purchased another plot and built a second house. He continued this way, building a sizeable portfolio of property in Yola, Nigeria.[20] In 1981, he moved into agriculture, acquiring 2,500 hectares of land near Yola to start a maize and cotton farm. The business fell on hard times and closed in 1986. "My first foray into agriculture, in the 1980s, ended in failure," he wrote in an April 2014 blog.[21] He then ventured into trading, buying and selling truckloads of rice, flour and sugar.[citation needed]

Transportation
Edit
Abubakar's most important business move came while he was a Customs Officer at the Apapa Ports. Gabrielle Volpi, an Italian businessman in Nigeria, invited him to set up Nigeria Container Services (NICOTES), a logistics company operating within the Ports. NICOTES would later go on to become Intels Nigeria Limited and provide immense wealth to Abubakar. Abubakar is a co-founder of Intels Nigeria Limited, an oil servicing business with extensive operations in Nigeria and abroad.[22] Atiku's other business interests are centred within Yola, Adamawa; and include the Adama Beverages Limited, a beverage manufacturing plant in Yola, an animal feed factory, and the American University of Nigeria (AUN), the first American-style private university to be established in Sub-Saharan Africa. He retired in April 1989 and took up full-time business and politics[/b]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atiku_Abubakar
oga stop this argument, in 1982 a foreigner must have a partner that is a Nigerian to own any company in Nigeria, the law or decree still exist today as we speak, it was the nationalization decree under Obj in the 70s it was relaxed to have have private sector involved but with a Nigerian on the board, Atiku was co founder but not the owner, ask yourself how can he sell shares worth $83m to the parent company of INTELS and the company was making a turnover over over $200m in a year tugging vessels, handling logistics for FG, NNPC at one if he is the majority shareholder.. Does that make sense?
Re: 2023 Presidency: Who Do You Think The Organized Private Sector Will Support? by asanausana91: 10:06pm On Nov 16, 2022
Atiku and nothing but Atiku.
Atiku talk about the private sector any time he gets an opportunity.
God bless Atiku the in-coming president of Nigeria.
Re: 2023 Presidency: Who Do You Think The Organized Private Sector Will Support? by kaska360(m): 10:07pm On Nov 16, 2022
For a better Nigeria vote ATIKU for president 2023.
Re: 2023 Presidency: Who Do You Think The Organized Private Sector Will Support? by asanausana91: 10:10pm On Nov 16, 2022
JoeNL22:

I don't need your attention......what I need is you to understand that obi has wat it takes for the private sector to support him. He has created various establishments and has helped people grow. Hence your assertion about him killing the local industry is dead on arrival and holds no water to begin with.
Obi can only win in nairaland and other social media platforms.
Private sectors are friends of Atiku.
God bless Atiku the in-coming president of Nigeria.
Re: 2023 Presidency: Who Do You Think The Organized Private Sector Will Support? by Sufyaan003(m): 10:10pm On Nov 16, 2022
Atiku is one of the most important people in Nigeria's organised private sector as he is on the top 5 biggest employers of Labor. He is one of them and understands their pains. He is also one of them since he also produces and he knows where the pinch is. When FOREX is a problem, he feels it and knows the pain. He knows the pain of finding the right staff, the pain of getting the raw materials, the same pains other people in the private sector go through

We're going to vote atiku abubakar 2023 insha Allah
Re: 2023 Presidency: Who Do You Think The Organized Private Sector Will Support? by Bigleaf1006: 10:10pm On Nov 16, 2022
JoeNL22:

I don't need your attention......what I need is you to understand that obi has wat it takes for the private sector to support him. He has created various establishments and has helped people grow. Hence your assertion about him killing the local industry is dead on arrival and holds no water to begin with.

Can you come out with facts?
Re: 2023 Presidency: Who Do You Think The Organized Private Sector Will Support? by Bigleaf1006: 10:12pm On Nov 16, 2022
LagosEmir:

I think it's only fair that you give room for Level playing ground for all the 3 front runners to sell there candidates instead of taking side with Tinubu. Tinubu will never be president no matter how hard you try to push for him.

What if he becomes president? What are you going to do about it....argue with facts and put sentimental and emotions aside
Re: 2023 Presidency: Who Do You Think The Organized Private Sector Will Support? by Mordecai(m): 10:12pm On Nov 16, 2022
N3TRAL:


You're talking about demand-pull inflation. Nigeria does not suffer demand-pull inflation. A country with a minimum wage of 30,000 naira a month cannot suffer demand pull inflation. We suffer cost-push inflation and promoting an economic policy that will prevent injection will make our built-in inflation worse.

That's by the way. You still haven't shown how government spending in Nigeria significantly causes inflation.

Before we go further, and just for records sake, note that even the minimum wage earner actually spends more than 30k a month. Black tax, subsidies etc all play a part in that.

Now, Government spending in Nigeria is not really what you think. Despite what they say, the government is not really "spending". The billions you hear about mostly go into "savings accounts" owned by public officers. To make it worse, these billions don't even go into the financial system. They end up removing cash from the system. Both in naira and in dollars.

A prudent government will actually curtail these by reducing the amount available for these "black market operations", and actual spending would in reality increase, and be channelled to sectors where there are impacts on the people. When these set of public office holders can steal no more, they will begin to spend from the loot.

They would be expected to actually flood the economy with unexplained cash.

Prudence by government is what will help then, as against chasing them around with EFCC.

Edit: Just seeing your last question.

Real government spending does not affect the price of Indomie in Nigeria. But the higher the amount touted, the higher the amount stolen. And the higher the amount stolen, the higher the demand for dollars to store the loot. When the private sector is crowded out of the FX market by noncompetitive operators, prices rise.
Re: 2023 Presidency: Who Do You Think The Organized Private Sector Will Support? by rowland545(m): 10:13pm On Nov 16, 2022
post=118449415:
JAGABAN all da way......

A vote for Pandora or his Oga Atifku is a vote for JAGABAN.

A vote for JAGABAN is a vote JAGABAN.

God bless Our incoming Presido JAGABAN Bola Ahmed Tinubu.

God bless all sane, honest and hardworking Nigerians.

God bless Nigeria.
H
I thought it was Starboy osibanjo u were clamoring for?....what now changed.....or did they promise to increase your 30k stipend?

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