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Ken4Christ:
How could Jesus be talking about spiritual death when they were already dead spiritually?

So, are you saying that generation is still alive spiritually? Your comment doesn't hold water.

Not everyone among them was spiritually dead.

They are alive spiritually. They have eternal life.

Remember Jesus also said, "he who believes in me, though he die he shall live again, and he who lives and believes in me SHALL NOT DIE.
John 11:25

The second prophecy had it's first fulfilment in the first century, the generation that heard Jesus that very day witnessed the end of Jewish religious system, though God's Holy Spirit later revealed to Matthew the Apostle how God's angel in the most holy abandoned the temple {Matthew 27:51} but nobody knew that the temple has been destroyed spiritually speaking at Jesus' last breath!
Note that Jesus said he will destroy that temple and rebuilt it in three days {John 2:19} so at his death the heavens has condemned that temple with whatever is practiced in it {Matthew 23:38} when Jesus rose from the dead he became the foundation stone of the new temple spiritually speaking and those that believe in him as one BODY (GROUP) from that moment became the new temple of the living God {1Corinthians 3:16} so instead of Jesus to return to the old temple he only enters into the New Temple! Luke 24:36; John 20:19 compare to Matthew 18:20

But when is the second fulfilment of this prophecy?

If you want to know just type "YES"

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

mployer:
Not everyone among them was spiritually dead.

They are alive spiritually. They have eternal life.

Remember Jesus also said, "he who believes in me, though he die he shall live again, and he who lives and believes in me SHALL NOT DIE.
John 11:25

Obviously, Jesus Christ didn't mean whatever it is you refer to as spiritual death since right in there, he tells you that death is indeed inevitable.

Your many interpretations will always stand in conflict with the Truth of God, so why not accept the Truth as is?

Kobojunkie:
Obviously, Jesus Christ didn't mean whatever it is you refer to as spiritual death since right in there, he tells you that death is indeed inevitable.

Your many interpretations will always stand in conflict with the Truth of God, so why not accept the Truth as is?

Every man is born spiritually dead.
Spiritual life, which is the true life starts after salvation. This life is eternal, the people that have it SHALL NEVER DIE

Jesus never recognized this earthly life as real life. Reason he said "let the dead bury the dead".
He considers everyone that doesn't have the life of God in him as a dead man, even when they are physically alife.

The life of God is the real life, it iseternal life, people that have it will live forever, reason he said they shall not taste death.

mployer:
Every man is born spiritually dead.

That doctrine is not scriptural.

Kobojunkie:
That doctrine is not scriptural.

He told Adam, 'the day you eat this fruit you shall die'.

Adam didn't die physically but he died spiritually. Every man coming through Adam inherited the same spiritual death.

mployer:
He told Adam, 'the day you eat this fruit you shall die'.

Adam didn't die physically but he died spiritually. Every man coming through Adam inherited the same spiritual death.

Adam was in the garden of Eden, God's domain and garden, when that sentence of death was pronounced on him by God, was he not? And less than a thousand years after Adam's expulsion from God's domain, Adam died, right? Well, It is recorded in scripture that a day in the presence of God is like a thousand years. Adam died the very same day he disobeyed God .I.e. less than a 1000 years in man years. Adam is recorded to have physically died that very same day he was expelled from the garden of Eden by God.

Your idea of some spiritual death is not of scripture but of the doctrines and traditions of men.

Kobojunkie:
Adam was in the garden of Eden, God's domain and garden, when that sentence of death was pronounced on him by God, was he not? And less than a thousand years after Adam's expulsion from God's domain, Adam died, right? Well, It is recorded in scripture that a day in the presence of God is like a thousand years. Adam died the very same day he disobeyed God .I.e. less than a 1000 years in man years. Adam is recorded to have physically died that very same day he was expelled from the garden of Eden by God.

Your idea of some spiritual death is not of scripture but of the doctrines and traditions of men.

@bold, your favorite phrase, what a dummy you are, you don't know the scriptures,
you are just repeating false doctrines of what some others say

when Jesus said: "let the dead bury the dead"
He was speaking off: let the spiritually dead bury the physical dead

a day is like a thousand years to God and a thousand years like a day,
meaning time is seen diffrently for God who has always lived
than it is seen for humans who live just a little while

every time God mentions a day, is not talking off a thousand years

God didn't say the very same day you eat, you will die within a thousand years
adam died (spiritually) the very same day that he disobeyed God, just as God said he would

i'm not spending time finding scriptures for you, try that for yourself, or not

paxonel:
the two scriptures have already been fulfilled.

Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled

So, they have all been fulfilled in that generation.
HIS COMING WITH GLORY AND POWER REFERS TO HIS RESURRECTION AFTER HIS CRUCIFIXION

Are you saying that the anti Christ has come because it was part of the prophecy?

Are you saying that Jesus has returned because he said his return shall be visible just like the sun that rises and sets?

Are you saying that the elect has been raptured?

Are you saying that every nation is walking in hatred toward Israel?

The prophecies Christ gave were many and he said they will witness them all.

Let's stop twisting the scripture just to win an argument.

The prophecies failed because of the plan God has for us the Gentiles which he hid from Christ at that time.

mployer:
Not everyone among them was spiritually dead.

They are alive spiritually. They have eternal life.

Remember Jesus also said, "he who believes in me, though he die he shall live again, and he who lives and believes in me SHALL NOT DIE.
John 11:25

You have nothing to say. Why not just try and learn.

paxonel:
the two scriptures have already been fulfilled.

Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled

So, they have all been fulfilled in that generation.
HIS COMING WITH GLORY AND POWER REFERS TO HIS RESURRECTION AFTER HIS CRUCIFIXION

the generation that shall not pass until all these things be fulfilled
is the generation that's alive at the time of all the things happening that Jesus spoke of

this generation alive today might be that generation:
(wars and rumors of wars, famines and earthquakes, Many false prophets will arise,
lawlessness is increased, love will grow cold, etc.)




Jesus didn't come in power after his resurrection, like He is going to

He will come in power when he comes with His angels and has the devil
bound a thousand years, and has the beast and false prophet thrown into the lake of fire,
destroys the armys of the world gathered at Jerusalem, and He reigns on earth for a millinium


and of course three days after Jesus was executed, He rose from the dead

He wasn't seen coming on the clouds of the sky which happens at Jesus second coming:

Mat 24:30  And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory.

johnw47:
1. when Jesus said: "let the dead bury the dead"
He was speaking off: let the spiritually dead bury the physical dead

2. a day is like a thousand years to God and a thousand years like a day, meaning time is seen diffrently for God who has always lived than it is seen for humans who live just a little while every time God mentions a day, is not talking off a thousand years

3. God didn't say the very same day you eat, you will die within a thousand years
adam died (spiritually) the very same day that he disobeyed God, just as God said he would

4. i'm not spending time finding scriptures for you, try that for yourself, or not

1. Jesus Christ was not there speaking of spiritual dead but of those who under God’s Law are condemned to die --- from dust they were made and to dust they return --- this according to Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22 & Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20.

2. Wrong! The scripture that speaks of this idea clearly states it is only applicable in God's domain. So, it does not apply every time God speaks of day and time to men.

3. Again, Eden is God's domain. The presence of God is in His Garden and God gave the Law to man while man lived in the very presence of God. And as scripture clearly states, a day in the presence of God equates to a thousand years in man's time/world/world.

4. Spend more of your time working on understanding what is written as it is written for your own sake..

Ken4Christ:
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i'm just curious and wondering about having your email address as your signature,

do you get some spam email, because of email bots harvesting your email address from there

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ was not there speaking of spiritual dead but of those who under God’s Law are condemned to die --- from dust they were made and to dust they return --- this according to Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22 & Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20.
2. Wrong! The scripture that speaks of this idea clearly states it is only applicable in God's domain. So, it does not apply every time God speaks of day and time to men.
3. Again, Eden is God's domain. The presence of God is in His Garden and God gave the Law to man while man lived in the very presence of God. And as scripture clearly states, a day in the presence of God equates to a thousand years in man's time/world/world.
4. Spend more of your time working on understanding what is written as it is written for your own sake..

like i said: "what a dummy you are"

johnw47:
Jesus didn't come in power after his resurrection

This is what Jesus told his disciples before he was crucified when they asked him will few be saved?
Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate(ie the gate of the kingdom): for many(referring to the multitude of disciples who followed him at that time), I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

Take note of the emboldened

Luke 13:25 When once THE MASTER OF THE HOUSE(referring to Jesus himself) IS RISEN UP and hath shut to the door...

This implies that the resurrection of Jesus was literally the gate of the kingdom spoken in all his parables, the era of salvation.
That resurrection was the coming of Jesus with power and Glory

but he will come in power when he comes with His angels

no!
There is no such thing

When the disciples asked him about the signs of his coming in Matthew 24, they already had it at their minds that his coming was about to happen right there in their presence.
So Jesus told them when they hear wars and rumours of wars. Ofcourse, the Roman empire conquered Israel at that time and pilates who judged Jesus ruled Israel unbehalf of the Roman empire.
There was famine, pestilence and so on.
All these may have occurred due to wars at that time which was part of the signs

And remember, when Jesus was crucified there was earthquake and there was darkness. All these were part of the signs

and has the devil
bound a thousand years, and has the beast and false prophet thrown into the lake of fire,
destroys the armys of the world gathered at Jerusalem, and He reigns on earth for a millinium

thank God you even mention Jerusalem here.

Does that not tell you that all these things signfies events that may have happened in Jerusalem some 2000 years ago?

You see this religion that White people brought to Africa, na these whites understand it.
We Africans we are just blinded

paxonel:
Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate for many I say unto you will seek to enter in and shall not be able.
Luke 13:25  When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are

verses are talking off salvation
not off second coming

paxone: (re johnw47: Jesus comes with his angels)

no!
There is no such thing

Mat_16:27  "For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and WILL THEN REPAY EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS.

^^ now that's talking of second coming

paxone: You see this religion that White people brought to Africa, na these whites understand it.
We Africans we are just blinded

i agree with the "you" part of "we"

Thortp:
How you arrive at this conclusion amazed me.

You should also back it with a bible passage showing Jesus prophesies were not fulfilled.

Don't you know Jesus speaks in parables? So what happened to he who drinks from the living water will thirst no more?

Oga not everything Jesus said was a parable. There is a big difference between a parable and a prophecy.

Ken4Christ:
This is an excerpt from my Daily Devotional Study - Rhema for Living Devotional

Feel free to make your points known but with scripture references.

Thursday, December 8th.

Why Two Prophecies of Jesus Were Unfulfilled - 1.

"For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Verily I say unto you, THERE BE SOME STANDING HERE, WHICH SHALL NOT TASTE OF DEATH, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."(Matthew 16:27-28).

Our Lord Jesus gave two prophecies that were unfulfilled with regards to the time frame they were supposed to happen. First of all, it's important to note here that our Lord Jesus didn't operate as God on earth even though he is fully God in human flesh. He functioned as man on earth. This was why he had to be anointed by the Holy Spirit to carry out his ministry.

So, as man, he didn't know all things. The prophecy he gave as contained in the opening text was with clarity of terms. He said that some of his audience standing with him will not taste death till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Jesus is yet to come as foretold but that generation are long dead. Now, the question is, why wasn't it fulfilled as spoken?

It's because of the present church age which was still a mystery at that time. The word mystery in this context means hidden secret. Before the death of Christ, salvation was only for the Jews because they were the only nation on earth in covenant relationship with God. At that time, the Gentiles had no covenant with God - Ephesians 2:12. So, salvation was not yet extended to the Gentiles. This is why Jesus instructed his disciples when he sent them out to preach; "... Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: BUT GO RATHER TO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL." (Matthew 10:5-6).

On another occasion, he said to the Canaanite woman who requested him to heal her daughter; "... I am not sent BUT UNTO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL."(Matthew 15:24). Salvation extended to the Gentiles after his death when the children of Israel rejected him as their Messiah. Thus, it is written; "He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name." (John 1:11-12).

So, if not for the opportunity given to the Gentiles which constitutes the present day church, the prophecy would have been fulfilled within the specified time frame. Isreal as a nation is partially blind with respect to the salvation Jesus brought. The blindness will only be removed when God is through the Gentiles - Romans 11:25-26. We will look at the second prophecy tomorrow.

Prayer: Heavenly Father, I thank you for the opportunity given to me to be a part of your kingdom. I am your son and an heir of your kingdom. Fill me with joy and peace as I look forward to the glorious return of our Lord Jesus in the mighty name of Jesus. Amen.
Further Study: Ephesians 3:4-6, Romans 11:15-24.




Friday, December 9th.

Why Two Prophecies of Jesus Were Unfulfilled - 2.

"So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, THIS GENERATION SHALL NOT PASS, till all these things be fulfilled." (Matthew 24:33-34).

On an occasion when Jesus and his disciples left the temple, his disciples drew his attention of Jesus to the temple. And Jesus responded by predicting the destruction of the temple. This prompted the disciples to ask him three questions. The first was, when will the destruction take place. The second is the sign of his coming. The last is when will this present world (age) end.

Our Lord Jesus immediately began to foretell the events of the further in chronological order. Notable amongst the predictions are; wars and rumours of war, famine and earthquakes in divers places. Furthermore, he said false prophets and teachers will arise and they will be hated by all nations which will result in their persecutions.

In addition, he predicted that the abomination of desolation that Daniel spoke about will stand in the holy place. The abomination is the image of the anti Christ that the false Christ who they will accept as their Messiah will erect in the temple of God. And everyone on earth will be forced to worship that image.

The Jews because of their adherent to the Law of Moses which forbids the worship of any other gods will refuse to worship this image. This will result in their persecution. And they will pass through a great tribulation, a kind that has never happened in the history of the world.

At the end of the great tribulation period, Jesus will come back and the elect (144,000 Jews) will first be raptured. He will defeat the anti Christ and the false Christ who are revealed as the first and second beast respectively in Revelation, chapter 13.

The crux of the narration of this event was the prediction that the generation he was addressing with witness all these events. But that generation is gone and most of the events are yet to be fulfilled. This is because of the church age which was a mystery at that time. God, the Father hid this mystery even from his Son, Jesus at that time. This is why the prediction in Matthew, Chapter 24 didn't include the church. It's about the nation of Israel. The mystery was unveiled after the resurrection of Jesus.

But after the rapture of the church, the events will all be fulfilled. The anti Christ will come and reign in a revived and revised Roman Empire. It will be a confederalism of ten European Countries. And it will be the new world power. He will only reign for seven years. The last three and a half years will be the period of great tribulation. But at the end of the seven years, Jesus will come back, defeat them and establish his millennium reign on earth. The faithful saints will be given various responsibilities and leadership over nations. We will reign with Christ on earth for 1,000 years.

Prayer: Dear Father, I thank you for the great plans you have for us as unveiled in your word. A plan that will be consummated at the appearance of our Lord Jesus. I pray that I will be counted worthy to reign with Christ when he comes to establish his kingdom on earth in the mighty name of Jesus. Amen.

Further Study: Daniel 9:27, Revelation 13:1-18; 19:11-21.

While your explanations are completely incorrect, This is one of the best topics ever brought up on Nairaland and I commend you for that.

Richy4:
OP.. next time you are writing something you are not sure of, please consult Google first....

Thanks to technology, things are easy nowadays...When I read about your post about Matthew 16:27-28, I was shocked at your submission...
I was forced to research It by typing the meaning of Matthew 16:28.. just a click of a button...I was amazed at what many religious scholars and some others said about that passage... their interpretations were different...But what they all have in common is... It's a parable and not just physical death as u supposed it to be....

If you had googled the meaning of the word Parable, you would have also come to the realization that the claims made by those same so-called religious scholars regarding that stated by Jesus Christ in Matthew 16 vs 27 - 28 are false.

A parable is a succinct, didactic story, in prose or verse, that illustrates one or more instructive lessons or principles. It differs from a fable in that fables employ animals, plants, inanimate objects, or forces of nature as characters, whereas parables have human characters.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable

As the above clearly explains, a Parable is a form of story telling. And If you understand what a story is, and you carefully examine the passage of Matthew 16 vs 24 - 28 below, you will immediately find there is no story—Parable— within that there passage.

24 Then Jesus said to his followers, “If any of you want to be my follower, you must stop thinking about yourself and what you want. You must be willing to carry the cross that is given to you for following me.
25 Any of you who try to save the life you have will lose it. But you who give up your life for me will find true life.
26 It is worth nothing for you to have the whole world if you yourself are lost. You could never pay enough to buy back your life.
27 The Son of Man will come again with his Father’s glory and with his angels. And he will reward everyone for what they have done.
28 Believe me when I say that there are some people standing here who will see the Son of Man coming with his kingdom before they die.” - Matthew 16 vs 24 - 28

Instead, verses 27 - 28 contain what is a direct revelation, by Jesus Christ of that which is to take place. Clearly, verse 27 speaks of the time of His return, an event further elucidated upon by Jesus Christ in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. Verse 28 speaks of that which is to happen in the lives of some who stood with Him at the moment when He spoke those words.

Ken4Christ:
Are you saying that the anti Christ has come because it was part of the prophecy?

Paul addressing the early Christian church, not us o

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world

So, the antichrist is not what is coming, it has already been there.
They persecute early Christians and killed the martyrs.

Are you saying that Jesus has returned

see,in the real sense Jesus has been returning, remember he told his disciples after he resurrected that it will not take long for him to return?
If you are stil waiting for him to return after 2000 years that's long now.
It means, you never understood what he meant when he said he was returning soon

because he said his return shall be visible just like the sun that rises and sets?

hmm!
Parables!
Please find out the meaning

Are you saying that the elect has been raptured?

Jesus preached resurrection of the dead. That the dead in Christ will be resurrected just like he had resurrected. Hence whosever believed in him shall have everlasting life.
But that thing you people called rapture? It's nowhere to be found in the bible, i don't know where you people got it from

Are you saying that every nation is walking in hatred toward Israel?

Christ came to saved the world and he has done it.
I don't know what you people are still doing with Israel with their old covenant beliefs.

See, Israel today is just like every other nations of the world who cares about them?

Their Pharisees antagonized Christ( and crucified him and perhaps, they were the antichrists who killed early Christians, but where is their nation today?
They lost everything over the years.
Even their King Solomon great temple they so adored is where to be found.

The prophecies Christ gave were many and he said they will witness them all.

And he even said that generation will not pass until they witness them all or are Christians today doubting what Christ has said such thst they are stil waiting for his coming?
I don't get it

Let's stop twisting the scripture just to win an argument.

The prophecies failed because of the plan God has for us the Gentiles which he hid from Christ at that time.

you believed that the prophesies fail because you have not seen Jesus coming physically, unknown to you that he has been coming

johnw47:
the generation that shall not pass until all these things be fulfilled
is the generation that's alive at the time of all the things happening that Jesus spoke of

Exactly!

this generation alive today might be that generation:

what do you mean?

That generation have since gone, this generation is this generation

(wars and rumors of wars, famines and earthquakes, Many false prophets will arise,
lawlessness is increased, love will grow cold, etc.)




Jesus didn't come in power after his resurrection, like He is going to

He will come in power when he comes with His angels and has the devil
bound a thousand years, and has the beast and false prophet thrown into the lake of fire,
destroys the armys of the world gathered at Jerusalem, and He reigns on earth for a millinium

The book of revelation was a vision John saw which may have happened during the early Christian church, perhaps may have happened long time ago.
stop living in day dreams. you have your current life to live and that is the most important.

The literal meaning of mark of the beast or to worship the beast, or Babylon the great in revelation refers to a dominant religion at the time early Christians were persecuted.
This dominant religion (whatever the religion was) persecuted Christianity

and of course three days after Jesus was executed, He rose from the dead

is that not coming with glory enough, what else do you want?

He wasn't seen coming on the clouds of the sky which happens at Jesus second coming:

oh!
You want to see him coming in the clouds
Una die wella

Mat 24:30  And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory.

you know what is confusing you people?
When Jesus is taking in parables like this, you will all get lost
Without considering the literal meaning of these kind of statements your minds will just be thinking of sky, fly, sky, fly

That's why I said, this religion white people brought to Africa no go kill us

I hear you

tctrills:
Oga not everything Jesus said was a parable. There is a big difference between a parable and a prophecy.

paxonel:
Paul addressing the early Christian church, not us o

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world

So, the antichrist is not what is coming, it has already been there.
They persecute early Christians and killed the martyrs.
see,in the real sense Jesus has been returning, remember he told his disciples after he resurrected that it will not take long for him to return?
If you are stil waiting for him to return after 2000 years that's long now.
It means, you never understood what he meant when he said he was returning soon
hmm!
Parables!
Please find out the meaning
Jesus preached resurrection of the dead. That the dead in Christ will be resurrected just like he had resurrected. Hence whosever believed in him shall have everlasting life.
But that thing you people called rapture? It's nowhere to be found in the bible, i don't know where you people got it from
Christ came to saved the world and he has done it.
I don't know what you people are still doing with Israel with their old covenant beliefs.

See, Israel today is just like every other nations of the world who cares about them?

Their Pharisees antagonized Christ( and crucified him and perhaps, they were the antichrists who killed early Christians, but where is their nation today?
They lost everything over the years.
Even their King Solomon great temple they so adored is where to be found.
And he even said that generation will not pass until they witness them all or are Christians today doubting what Christ has said such thst they are stil waiting for his coming?
I don't get it
you believed that the prophesies fail because you have not seen Jesus coming physically, unknown to you that he has been coming

It's true that there are so many anti Christ that has been operating on earth and there are still many more even on this forum. But Jesus is taking about a specific anti Christ who is revealed as the first beast in Revelation 13. He will rule in a confederalism of ten European countries and dominate the world for seven years.

Jesus has been coming and returning but I am talking about his visible return when he comes to establish his kingdom on earth and reign for 1,000 years.

When he ascended back, the angels told those who saw him;

Acts 1:11
Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, SHALL SO COME IN LIKE MANNER as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Well, I don't blame your generation of Christians. I blame ministers who have turned churches into business centers. Instead of teaching and preaching the undiluted word of God, they focus on whatever they can do to get the crowd most of which don't know the Lord or his ways.

tctrills:
While your explanations are completely incorrect, This is one of the best topics ever brought up on Nairaland and I commend you for that.

Which of the explanation is wrong.

That this present church age was a mystery?

Even when Daniel saw the 70 weeks Revelation, he didn't see the church age. He never knew that after the 69th week, there will be an interruption before the fulfillment of the last week.

And this interruption was because of the church age which Prophet Daniel didn't see and God also hid it from Jesus.

Even our Lord Jesus acknowledged at least once that he doesn't know the day of his return which the Father has kept secret.

So, Jesus as a man who not all knowing. This is the human side of Jesus.

So what happened to he who drinks from the living water will thirst no more?

Good question?

Ken4Christ:
Which of the explanation is wrong.

That this present church age was a mystery?

Even when Daniel saw the 70 weeks Revelation, he didn't see the church age. He never knew that after the 69th week, there will be an interruption before the fulfillment of the last week.

And this interruption was because of the church age which Prophet Daniel didn't see and God also hid it from Jesus.

Even our Lord Jesus acknowledged at least once that he doesn't know the day of his return which the Father has kept secret.

So, Jesus as a man who not all knowing. This is the human side of Jesus.

Let's say you are right that Jesus Christ did not know everything but still he was not a lier and a false prophet. He would not give a prophecy that was not revealed to him.
Everything Jesus taught is true. All his prophecies are correct. He is not dishonest or a lier.
It's one thing not to know everything but it's another thing to say what you don't know and that is called dishonesty

Ken4Christ:
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to much trouble for you to reply, ok
https://www.nairaland.com/7471863/hard-truth-why-two-prophecies/1#119064665

paxonel:
Exactly!
what do you mean?
That generation have since gone, this generation is this generation
The book of revelation was a vision John saw which may have happened during the early Christian church, perhaps may have happened long time ago.
stop living in day dreams. you have your current life to live and that is the most important.
The literal meaning of mark of the beast or to worship the beast, or Babylon the great in revelation refers to a dominant religion at the time early Christians were persecuted.
This dominant religion (whatever the religion was) persecuted Christianity
is that not coming with glory enough, what else do you want?

you have no understand of what i have been saying and reply to things not said

paxonel: oh!
You want to see him coming in the clouds
Una die wella

you have no understanding of scripture either, and you don't believe God's word:

Mat 24:30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory.

paxonel: you know what is confusing you people?
When Jesus is taking in parables like this, you will all get lost
Without considering the literal meaning of these kind of statements your minds will just be thinking of sky, fly, sky, fly
That's why I said, this religion white people brought to Africa no go kill us

well at least you know by all your posted emoticons that you are a laughing fool:

Ecclesiastes 7:6
For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool

tctrills:
Let's say you are right that Jesus Christ did not know everything but still he was not a lier and a false prophet. He would not give a prophecy that was not revealed to him.
Everything Jesus taught is true. All his prophecies are correct. He is not dishonest or a lier.
It's one thing not to know everything but it's another thing to say what you don't know and that is called dishonesty

God forbid me to call Jesus a liar. He never lied. Those two prophecies failed because of the present church age which was a mystery at that time.

Ken4Christ:
God forbid me to call Jesus a liar. He never lied. Those two prophecies failed because of the present church age which was a mystery at that time.

Every false prophet is a lier. And there are no excuses for a false prophet.
Jesus prophecies never fail. If Jesus Christ never said something he wasn't sure of.

johnw47:
you are a laughing fool

must you resort to committing fallacies?

Put your premises in support of the point you are trying to make you can't.
Then the next thing, you are insulting

tctrills:
Every false prophet is a lier. And there are no excuses for a false prophet.
Jesus prophecies never fail. If Jesus Christ never said something he wasn't sure of.

I understand the angle you are coming from. But you also know false prophets by their fruits. And Jesus doesn't fit into that category.

In addition, false Prophet lie deliberately and usually get the source of their power from strange gods. Our Lord Jesus also doesn't fit into that category.