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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by komekn(m): 10:03am On Dec 18, 2022
Marjoribanks:
Guy go and sit down. You wet never pass Ikorodu! The last time I check, it was Ghana that was banned from under 17 cos of age cheat. If you have the evidence of age cheat in both competition show it here, if you don't shut da fvck up!!
You will be surprised how many academy director and agents come to me talking about this players and that player from Nigeria.

I went to a local academy in Lagos last year, the coaching just like the facilities was abysmal. I didn't know where to start everything was outdated and highly inept.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Philosopher1979: 10:04am On Dec 18, 2022
codemaniacs:
Ejuke has the highest assists for his club and is more direct than Simon in the S.E..

when Simon plays for the S.E he plays without intensity and intent...
Moses SIMon is a wide forward and not a right sided midfielder. He is better off in a 433 as a wide forward.
He can't operate in a 442
The issue is that we have many explosive forwards who can explode in the past third of the pitch but we lack midfielders.
The quality of forwards is a serious advantage we don't know how t Ouse.
Get alhassan Yusuf, ovie ejaria, iwobi etc in our midfield and let them liberate our forwards and we are good to go.
This thing is very simple I wonder why it is so hard for our coaches.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by komekn(m): 10:05am On Dec 18, 2022
TheSuperNerd:
If you aren't afraid of the name, why don't you❓

His name is all over this thread and I am pretty sure his name sings in your head right now.
I don't want to upset your morning worship and sacrifice to your idol , how many chicken and goat you kill cannot change his narrative
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by komekn(m):
TheGoodJoe:
You are taking us in circles.

Look at your list and tell me the midfielder there that is gifted at keeping the ball and passing intelligently. Also give us the names of the players we should invite in the top clubs we do not know.

The point is, we do not have enough pool of players in top clubs. We have to measure up with comprehensive scouting for hidden gems to complement what we have.
Yes we do across Europe, if you cannot out of your parochial obsession with past glories and not the present continuous, see them that's your problem.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mujtahida: 10:17am On Dec 18, 2022
Marjoribanks:
How else do you want us to discover hidden gems if not age group competitions? We have Iwobi, Aribo, Nwakali, Onyedika who can hold and pass the ball! We have great lads in the under 17 and 20 coming up! What else do you want? You are the one talking in circles here!
If it was that Chukwueze is not a part of this team, you'd have heard it cried up endlessly how wrong the coaches are for not featuring him. His ability with the ball will be mentioned, his speed, his ability to work magic in tight spaces and sundry other qualities would be writ large and pumped up. But Chukwueze is in the team so it's quietness on that score.

Am I saying Chukwueze is not good? Nope. I'm saying that some watch out for players who are not part of the team and bend the whole of their analysis to rest on the absence of such players. If Moses is there, they will cry for Ejuke, if Ejuke is there they will cry for Moses.

If the player they mentioned is invited, they move on to the next absentee and on and on
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by codemaniacs: 10:17am On Dec 18, 2022
Philosopher1979:
Moses SIMon is a wide forward and not a right sided midfielder. He is better off in a 433 as a wide forward.
He can't operate in a 442
The issue is that we have many explosive forwards who can explode in the past third of the pitch but we lack midfielders.
The quality of forwards is a serious advantage we don't know how t Ouse.
Get alhassan Yusuf, ovie ejaria, iwobi etc in our midfield and let them liberate our forwards and we are good to go.
This thing is very simple I wonder why it is so hard for our coaches.
Moses Simon plays as a wide forward and winger for the SE.

He doesn't drop deep to help the midfield and defense..

Apart from midfield problem..

the SE also has a winger and wide forward problem.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mujtahida: 10:22am On Dec 18, 2022
mostob:
What have the said home based players achieve in the last 5 years? What are their performances in CAF competitions? When last did we win CHAN?
Our problem is not that we don't have players. We simply need a good coach.
Oasis007 do kindly offer a response. But mostob, it can equally be argued that the current SE have not achieved anything worthwhile
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by komekn(m): 10:23am On Dec 18, 2022
TheGoodJoe:

I visited an academy in D-Line Port Harcourt, at Igbokwu Street. The coach was with some kids and said something to the kids that touched me.

Oyinbo children have everything. They have eaten well. They go to good schools. They are not lacking. They have full kits and facility. They are ahead of you. The only thing you have is training. Do not play with it. Take it seriously and it can change your lives.
If your facilities are poor
If your coaches are poorly educated and trained
If your players lack basic kit
If you have no sports scientists to create individual player enhancement programs.
If you have old fashioned coaches relying on knowledge of decades ago.

Unfortunately your training will be poor and so also the quality of your players
A man reaps what he sows, you plant corn � and you want to harvest yam.

I'm sorry it's not happening.

What Nigerian youth players have in abundance is NATURAL TALENT and at youth level your athleticism, speed, physicality will win you games but not necessarily the marathon of football ⚽ progression.

Even those particular attributes will be strongly challenged by the youthful Africans in the European diaspora.

I was at a youth football tournament around Lagos 3/4 weeks ago. I watched PSG in particular all the player's 95% were completely black born in Paris but with origins in Senegal and Mali. The defensive line of PSG had boys who were over 6ft tall and physical they could easily play U21 at 14. Compared to other boys they were like giants.

There is a boy l saw in Juventus looks top quality his parents are from Benin.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mujtahida: 10:25am On Dec 18, 2022
Philosopher1979:
Moses SIMon is a wide forward and not a right sided midfielder. He is better off in a 433 as a wide forward.
He can't operate in a 442
The issue is that we have many explosive forwards who can explode in the past third of the pitch but we lack midfielders.
The quality of forwards is a serious advantage we don't know how t Ouse.
Get alhassan Yusuf, ovie ejaria, iwobi etc in our midfield and let them liberate our forwards and we are good to go.
This thing is very simple I wonder why it is so hard for our coaches.
If it is hard for the coaches, are you sure it is a simple matter?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mujtahida: 10:30am On Dec 18, 2022
codemaniacs:
Moses Simon plays as a wide forward and winger for the SE.

He doesn't drop deep to help the midfield and defense.

Apart from midfield problem..

the SE also has a winger and wide forward problem.
I thought it's been said that Moses Simon is preferred because of his contributions to the defense
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 10:35am On Dec 18, 2022
Mujtahida:
I thought it's been said that Moses Simon is preferred because of his contributions to the defense
Especially under Rohr...
The problem I have with Simon is that he sometimes waste good goalscoring opportunities by dribbling unnecessary when a pass, cross or shot could have been better.. Truth is, most of our wingers have that habit too.. they aren't direct enough...
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by elyte89: 10:43am On Dec 18, 2022
Mujtahida:
Oasis007 do kindly offer a response. But mostob, it can equally be argued that the current SE have not achieved anything worthwhile
Good response ,mostob abeg respond...we keep hammering on professionals ,what exactly have Dey achieved playing together for over 7years

No trophy
One World Cup appearance (group stage exit)
3rd place winner(afcon)
2nd round exit from afcon
Failed to qualify for dis present World Cup


What exactly is special about this result/outcome for d past 7years and yet we refuse to accept d reality,but expect to c different result using d same so called “professionals”. I don’t get
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Amedino99(m): 11:05am On Dec 18, 2022
codemaniacs:
Ejuke has the highest assists for his club and is more direct than Simon in the S.E..

when Simon plays for the S.E he plays without intensity and intent...
Simon has better stats for both club and country. Please don't compare him with ejike
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by codemaniacs: 11:53am On Dec 18, 2022
Amedino99:
Simon has better stats for both club and country. Please don't compare him with ejike
Ejuke has only played 3 matches for SE while Moses Simon has played 53 matches.. so you should take your own advice of don't compare with Ejuke.

For club, Moses Simon probably has a better agent than Ejuke because Moses Simon has played in more top leagues than Ejuke and has been playing in Europe longer than Ejuke..

Obviously Simon has more experience than Ejuke but changes have to be made in the wings of the S.E or you won't any changes in the team even if they bring in new midfielders and they will fail to qualify for the next world cup if the wingers aren't been substituted for others..

you should take your own advice of don't compare with Ejuke.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Odunayaw(m): 11:57am On Dec 18, 2022
Mujtahida:
I'm saying that some watch out for players who are not part of the team and bend the whole of their analysis to rest on the absence of such players.

If the player they mentioned is invited, they move on to the next absentee and on and on
This should be pinned on every thread page!

I used to only not engage such discussions. Now, I also don't read them.

Scrolling past is easy
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by codemaniacs: 12:01pm On Dec 18, 2022
Mujtahida:
I thought it's been said that Moses Simon is preferred because of his contributions to the defense
that's during Rohr's era when Rohr played defensive football...
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Odunayaw(m): 12:03pm On Dec 18, 2022
elyte89:
Good response ,mostob abeg respond...we keep hammering on professionals ,what exactly have Dey achieved playing together for over 7years

No trophy
One World Cup appearance (group stage exit)
3rd place winner(afcon)
2nd round exit from afcon
Failed to qualify for dis present World Cup


What exactly is special about this result/outcome for d past 7years and yet we refuse to accept d reality,but expect to c different result using d same so called “professionals”. I don’t get
So, what are you saying now?

We should turn the SE to an academy where we train NPFL boys because that's how we're going to win AFCON and WC
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Odunayaw(m): 12:11pm On Dec 18, 2022
The SE will not play outside the system the Coach is competent in

All this formations, combinations and permutations have zero guarantee
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by jihday(m): 12:16pm On Dec 18, 2022
codemaniacs:
Ejuke has only played 3 matches for SE while Moses Simon has played 53 matches.. so you should take your own advice of don't compare with Ejuke.

For club, Moses Simon probably has a better agent than Ejuke because Moses Simon has played in more top leagues than Ejuke and has been playing in Europe longer than Ejuke..

Obviously Simon has more experience than Ejuke but changes have to be made in the wings of the S.E or you won't any changes in the team even if they bring in new midfielders and they will fail to qualify for the next world cup if the wingers aren't been substituted for others..

you should take your own advice of don't compare with Ejuke.
this is a very weak line of excuse
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by elyte89: 12:47pm On Dec 18, 2022
Odunayaw:
So, what are you saying now?

We should turn the SE to an academy where we train NPFL boys because that's how we're going to win AFCON and WC
Nope what I am saying is simple ,this World Cup is an evidence to what nerdie and philosophy has been saying that invitation of players shld go beyond where u play alone but what u can bring to d team differently irrespective of where u play. Finito
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mujtahida:
Odunayaw:
This should be pinned on every thread page!

I used to only not engage such discussions. Now, I also don't read them.

Scrolling past is easy
Funny thing is that we even fight over it when we don't have shingbai influence over player selections. Some flatter themselves and say that NFF officials visit this thread. Well, that is possible but that this thread influences the NFF is the stuff of legend.

I'm not downplaying this thread but we take this issue of who gets invited to personally ridiculous levels and fighting each other even with so much bitterness.

Let Super Eagles play good football and win. Dazzol
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by mostob(m): 1:43pm On Dec 18, 2022
komekn:
You will be surprised how many academy director and agents come to me talking about this players and that player from Nigeria.

I went to a local academy in Lagos last year, the coaching just like the facilities was abysmal. I didn't know where to start everything was outdated and highly inept.
How does this relate with your age cheat allegation? He said you should drop evidence or shut up, you're doing unnecessary shalayes
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by mostob(m): 1:44pm On Dec 18, 2022
Mujtahida:
Oasis007 do kindly offer a response. But mostob, it can equally be argued that the current SE have not achieved anything worthwhile
I agree but what he suggested will worsen the situation.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by mostob(m): 1:50pm On Dec 18, 2022
elyte89:
Good response ,mostob abeg respond...we keep hammering on professionals ,what exactly have Dey achieved playing together for over 7years

No trophy
One World Cup appearance (group stage exit)
3rd place winner(afcon)
2nd round exit from afcon
Failed to qualify for dis present World Cup


What exactly is special about this result/outcome for d past 7years and yet we refuse to accept d reality,but expect to c different result using d same so called “professionals”. I don’t get
So filling the SE squad with home based players will rectify the situation? Can you tell me the difference between the Morocco of two years ago and the one that just finished 4th? What breeds the changes? Coaching and Leadership.
Our players are making impacts at their respective clubs week in week out but reverse is the case in the NT.
The problem is not the players. Get them a good coach with the right leadership and see if there won't be change. You want us to jump from frying pan to fire by filling the team with home based players who after a single cap, would not think twice about joining Abdullahi FC in Syria 4th division.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mujtahida: 1:54pm On Dec 18, 2022
elyte89:
Good response ,mostob abeg respond...we keep hammering on professionals ,what exactly have Dey achieved playing together for over 7years

No trophy
One World Cup appearance (group stage exit)
3rd place winner(afcon)
2nd round exit from afcon
Failed to qualify for dis present World Cup


What exactly is special about this result/outcome for d past 7years and yet we refuse to accept d reality,but expect to c different result using d same so called “professionals”. I don’t get
it is natural to make your selection from where the best converge.

Many point to Saudi Arabia but assuming Saudi Arabia has players in Europe will they choose their local players?

Take Japan for example. The J league is good but in this world cup, the bulk of their players came from Europe.

Or take Brazil and Argentina, their leagues are doing okay but Argentina picked only the substitute GK from river plate. All the rest are from elite leagues in Europe. Brazil picked two from the local league.

So why the advocacy for players from our own local leagues that is not up to par with either the J-leagues or Brazil or Argentine leagues?

Our problem is more of coaching than personnel. You often say our players can't string passes. If they cannot how come they playing in top leagues? How come Eguavoen's team played good football?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mujtahida: 1:55pm On Dec 18, 2022
Danielnino00:
Especially under Rohr...
The problem I have with Simon is that he sometimes waste good goalscoring opportunities by dribbling unnecessary when a pass, cross or shot could have been better.. Truth is, most of our wingers have that habit too.. they aren't direct enough...
Totally agree.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mujtahida: 1:59pm On Dec 18, 2022
Odunayaw:
The SE will not play outside the system the Coach is competent in

All this formations, combinations and permutations have zero guarantee
I'm looking for what to add to this but I got nothing to add. Beautifully captured
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by mostob(m): 2:00pm On Dec 18, 2022
Mujtahida:
it is natural to make your selection from where the best converge.

Many point to Saudi Arabia but assuming Saudi Arabia has players in Europe will they choose their local players?

Take Japan for example. The J league is good but in this world cup, the bulk of their players came from Europe.

Or take Brazil and Argentina, their leagues are doing okay but Argentina picked only the substitute GK from river plate. All the rest are from elite leagues in Europe. Brazil picked two from the local league.

So why the advocacy for players from our own local leagues that is not up to par with either the J-leagues or Brazil or Argentine leagues?

Our problem is more of coaching than personnel. You often say our players can't string passes. If they cannot how come they playing in top leagues? How come Eguavoen's team played good football?
Aptly put. God bless you. Was it not recently that an NPFL team there away a four-goal lead in CAFCL.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Oasis007(m): 2:08pm On Dec 18, 2022
Mujtahida:
Oasis.007 do kindly offer a response. But mostob, it can equally be argued that the current SE have not achieved anything worthwhile
Arguing here is a waste of time. Most are here to troll, rather than engaging in a sane discourse. No matter what you say, they would rather attack you and your points.

They are asking me what we have achieved with local players like we are achieving great results with foreign based players.

Someone asked what our local clubs achieve at continental level? LOL! What are same average foreign players we are parading achieve at their respective clubs?

.... like most so called foreign based players are not warming bench ar their respective clubs, despite that the Clubs are midtable or struggling to survive relegation.

Our U17, U20 and co are always assembled locally, yet they do wow the world and compete outstandingly against those highly rated Academy Players of foreign Countries.

They're are leaving my major point to debating what's in their mind. I clearly said; they must be attending trainings at least twice in a month until a formidable squad is assembled.

Let even compared last friendlies both squad had - foreign based Eagles and local based Eagles. Which one did we enjoy the most? Which of them played something we can actually call good football?!

Our fixation with anything foreign is part of our economic problem in the Country. Importation, Importation.... like local things are cursed.

A 16yrs old Endrick plying his trade in a local league was bought for €70m by Real Madrid. I watched his Clip and felt like, some of our local players can do more than that.

We have lost hopes on anything local, but that doesn't mean our local players are not as good as those foreign based bunch of mediocre players.

Because we so overrate them on this board, do not mean they are indeed world class players.... world players that are playing in unknown leagues or with clubs battling relegation?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 2:15pm On Dec 18, 2022
komekn:
If your facilities are poor
If your coaches are poorly educated and trained
If your players lack basic kit
If you have no sports scientists to create individual player enhancement programs.
If you have old fashioned coaches relying on knowledge of decades ago.

Unfortunately your training will be poor and so also the quality of your players
A man reaps what he sows, you plant corn � and you want to harvest yam.

I'm sorry it's not happening.

What Nigerian youth players have in abundance is NATURAL TALENT and at youth level your athleticism, speed, physicality will win you games but not necessarily the marathon of football ⚽ progression.

Even those particular attributes will be strongly challenged by the youthful Africans in the European diaspora.

I was at a youth football tournament around Lagos 3/4 weeks ago. I watched PSG in particular all the player's 95% were completely black born in Paris but with origins in Senegal and Mali. The defensive line of PSG had boys who were over 6ft tall and physical they could easily play U21 at 14. Compared to other boys they were like giants.

There is a boy l saw in Juventus looks top quality his parents are from Benin.
Despite that, kids with poor facilities and poor primary coaching won the U17. Osimhen did not have that primary De la creme coaching but he is flying higher than many with far better coaching.

A difficult start does not mean you can not become great.

Mane did not grow in some fancy academy and became one of the best players in the Premier League over many players that grew in first grade academies.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 2:16pm On Dec 18, 2022
komekn:
Yes we do across Europe, if you cannot out of your parochial obsession with past glories and not the present continuous, see them that's your problem.


I clearly stated give us the names and you are going about subtle attacks. List the names let us review.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Oasis007(m): 2:18pm On Dec 18, 2022
Lets list out our so called foreign players, their clubs and achievements so far. If we are ready for this discourse, then we should be ready to scrutinize our so called world class players.
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