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MaxInDHouse:
Exactly and Jesus is a god just like all other gods it's the erroneous interpretation of those translators that made them use the same upper case for both the son and his father whereas the father has many sons!

MaxInDHouse:
Rest my guy this is more than what you can grasp!

Corrections:
What am saying and truth is that anyone that calls Jesus "God" is right or correct because of the obvious reasons listed above ( by OP ) and backed by the Holy scripture ( holy Bible )

MaxInDHouse:
That's why you people have so many doctrines contradicting and conflicting because you missed the mark of truth. Luke 11:23

God has many sons ✓
Jesus is one of them ✓
God refers Jesus as "Son" ✓
Jesus addresses his father as "Father" ✓
God has never been in agony needing help ✓
Jesus was begging God for help ✓
Jesus worships his Father ✓
God worships no one ✓

So if translators now use the same case for the both of them whereas one is described as standing/sitting at the right hand side of the other {Act 7:56 compare to Psalms 110:1} then something is wrong with your doctrine!

MaxInDHouse:
Learn!

Steep:
It does take away the scriptural truth that Jesus is God Almighty.

Truvelisback:
Col1:15 is a figurative speech. Jesus was refer as The FIRST BORN of every creature because it was through Him( His birth) we all became the Sons of God. That was why He told Nichodemaus that he needs to be Born again. Being Born(Begotten or adopted) and being created are 2 different things.

MaxInDHouse:
Well the phrase "FIRST BORN" connotes one of those being born!

MaxInDHouse:
Do you know the meaning of ALMIGHTY?

About the ninth hour, Jesus called out with a loud voice, saying: “Eʹli, Eʹli, laʹma sa·bach·thaʹni?” that is, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” Matthew 27:46

“Father, if you want to, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, let, not my will, but yours take place" Luke 22:42


Therefore, in response Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, the Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever things that One does, these things the Son does also in like manner" John 5:19

"I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me". ~ John 5:30

Jesus then said: “After you have lifted up the Son of man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing of my own initiative; but just as the Father taught me, I speak these things" John 8:28

Almighty indeed!

Truvelisback:
Yes, Begotten or Adopted. He was the First Born(Begotten or Adopted) that through Him we might be the Sons of God. Isaiah 9:6.

Steep:
Jesus said those things because he became a man.
He is Amighty God in his divine nature.

MaxInDHouse:
No this what Isaiah 9:6 means:

For a child has been born to us, A son has been given to us (among the Jews a male child is to be born) And the rulership will rest on his shoulder (he will continue the rulership of Israel but his rulership will not end). His name will be called (he will do this works) Wonderful Counselor (best teacher in the history of mankind), Mighty God (a God among the Israelites) , Eternal Father (replacement for our father Adam who brought sin upon us but this time he has come to pay for our sin and unlike Adam he will live forever), Prince of Peace (his rulership will bring peace to the end of the earth)

Steep:
Jesus said those things because he became a man.
He is Amighty God in his divine nature.

Truvelisback:
U have just Answered the Question "Mighty God".

MaxInDHouse:
"Mighty"
Of course all spirit sons of God are mighty in power that's why God's word said:

God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. Psalms 82:1 Holy Bible

God connotes a mighty being spirit or human but not Almighty which means the one who is above all!

Truvelisback:
Stop twisting the Scripture. That Scripture referred Him as God.

MaxInDHouse:
OLÓDO!

Which divine nature again?

Both in heaven and on earth he is described as different from God!
Before he came to earth David referred to him as Lord but David saw two persons one JEHOVAH (LORD) and Jesus (Lord) Psalms 110:1, Stephen when stoned to death gazed into the heavens and saw two persons one standing at the right hand side of the other. Act 7:56

So what stupid divine nature made Jesus the Almighty God and when, how?

Steep:
OLODO who said Jesus and the father are the same person?
Jesus is God Almighty.

Corrections:
The male cub of a LION will NEVER grow up to become a donkey. Never!! When a PRINCE shows up at an event with all his father's support and authorities to represent him, NO ONE at the event would dare disrespect or denie such PRINCE the respect or recognition they would Accord his father "the KING."

God the creator of heaven and Earth rules over all that he creates. He gives out his orders and no one anywhere can reverse it.

Isaiah 14:27

The LORD of Heaven’s Armies has spoken— who can change his plans? When his hand is raised, who can stop him?”

He gave his order that the sun and the moon should keep shining out their lights till the end of time. Who has been able to reverse this order by God given to the moon and the sun?

When God chooses to bless or reward his people who can curse them? Or vice versa? God's authorities can never be challenged by anything or anyone? It pleased God to favour Joseph to become the prime minister of Egypt even though he had no credentials to occupy the position. Yet no one could challenge him.

It pleased him (God ) to declare Abraham his friend. It doesn't matter the opinion or questions of people ( does God need a friend? ) about his declaration, Abraham still remains a friend to God.


Isaiah 41:8
“ But you, Israel, are My servant,
Jacob whom I have chosen,
The descendants of Abraham My friend.

James 2:23
And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, 'Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.'And he was called the friend of God.

When God speaks people's logical questions or opinion systematically become outdated. Questions like " does God need a friend to be happy?" "How can Abraham be God's friend when he has not seen God?" do not in anyway concern or compare with God's knowledge because what he ( God ) can not do does not exist. No human logical thinking can be compared with that of God. Never!! If God says you are blind just know that indeed you are blind irrespective of tones of images your eyes see physically every day .

Isaiah 55:8-11

8 "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD.
9
"As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.
10
As the rain and the snow come down from heaven, and do not return to it without watering the earth and making it bud and flourish, so that it yields seed for the sower and bread for the eater,
11
so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.


Now in the same light, this same God was pleased to reward and declare JESUS his beloved SON. Now know this and have peace that irrespective of logical questions people may ask no one can reverse it. Here this, if God can declare human being ( an ordinary flesh ) his people in Hosea 2:23, is it Jesus Christ whose birthday ( his mother got pregnant without her husbands sperm in her ) and death ( came back to live after practically dying for 3 day) are mysteriously strange ( [b]the first and the last of it kind combined the world would ever withness till end of time ) that God can't declare his BELOVED SON?[/b]

Here in the verse, Jesus was declared by God to be his Son

Mark 1:11, NIV: And a voice came from heaven: 'You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.

Mark 9:7, ESV: And a cloud overshadowed them, and a voice came out of the cloud, “This is my beloved Son; listen to him.”

Just like how a king would relinquish power to his loyal prince so also has God ( his father ) given him ( Jesus Christ the prince ) extra ordinary power to rule over all that he ( God the Father ) has created both on Earth and in heaven.

Ephesians 1:21-22
Now he is far above any ruler or authority or power or leader or anything else—not only in this world but also in the world to come. God has put all things under the authority of Christ and has made him head over all things for the benefit of the church.

Also, God his father ( the king ) has given him ( Jesus Christ the prince) power to be the medium or platform [/b]through which people can get to heaven to live with God his father for ever.


[b]John14:6
Jesus told him ' I am the way-
Yes, and the truth and the life. No one can GET to the father (GOD the king)
except by means of me ( JESUS Christ the prince ).

John14:1
Let not your heart be troubled. You have trust in God ( the king ) now trust in me ( JESUS Christ the prince ).


John15:23
Anyone that is hating me ( JESUS the prince ) is hating the father (GOD the king)



NOTE! NOTE! NOTE!
WHEN YOU SEE THE PRINCE YOU HAVE SEEN THE KING!!

John 12:49
I don’t speak on my own authority. The Father ( God the king ) who sent me has commanded me ( Jesus Christ ) what to say and how to say it

Janosky:
My main issue is the OMISSION indefinite article in your subject heading (in the last sentence).
You said:

A Lions Cub Is A Lion! A Kings Prince Is A King! Jesus Christ SON Of God is God!

The correct Heading should be:

"A Lions Cub Is A Lion! A Kings Prince Is A King! Jesus Christ SON Of God is A God!"
Better still, "Jesus Christ the Son of God is a god!"


Please Observe This point attentively:
In Greek John 14:1, Jesus said & John wrote:
Trust in the God (ho Theos)",

If you Go to Greek John 4:24, Jesus said & John wrote:
"The God (ho Theos) is a Spirit"
Confirmed again @ Greek Acts 3:13, Peter said & Luke wrote: the God (ho Theos ) of Abraham is the God (ho Theos) of Jesus Christ, his servant.

Confirmed again @ Deuteronomy 10:17
Is the God (ho Theos) the same the God (ho Theos)
of Jesus Christ @ Greek John 14:1 , Greek John 1:1 ,4:24 & Greek Acts 3:13?

Yes!
There is only one true God, his Father, the God ho Theos- 1 Corinthians 8:6.

Ho Theos ( the God Almighty) of other gods, (spirits, Jesus Christ & man,Deuteronomy 10:17. & Psalm 82:6) is our Father and our God, John 20:17.


Shalom.

MaxInDHouse:
That's why you people have so many doctrines contradicting and conflicting because you missed the mark of truth. Luke 11:23

God has many sons ✓
Jesus is one of them ✓
God refers Jesus as "Son" ✓
Jesus addresses his father as "Father" ✓
God has never been in agony needing help ✓
Jesus was begging God for help ✓
Jesus worships his Father ✓
God worships no one ✓

So if translators now use the same case for the both of them whereas one is described as standing/sitting at the right hand side of the other {Act 7:56 compare to Psalms 110:1} then something is wrong with your doctrine!

Corrections:
The male cub of a LION will NEVER grow up to become a donkey. Never!! When a PRINCE shows up at an event with all his father's support and authorities to represent him, NO ONE at the event would dare disrespect or denie such PRINCE the respect or recognition they would Accord his father "the KING."

God the creator of heaven and Earth rules over all that he creates. He gives out his orders and no one anywhere can reverse it.

Isaiah 14:27

The LORD of Heaven’s Armies has spoken— who can change his plans? When his hand is raised, who can stop him?”

He gave his order that the sun and the moon should keep shining out their lights till the end of time. Who has been able to reverse this order by God given to the moon and the sun?

When God chooses to bless or reward his people who can curse them? Or vice versa? God's authorities can never be challenged by anything or anyone? It pleased God to favour Joseph to become the prime minister of Egypt even though he had no credentials to occupy the position. Yet no one could challenge him.

It pleased him (God ) to declare Abraham his friend. It doesn't matter the opinion or questions of people ( does God need a friend? ) about his declaration, Abraham still remains a friend to God.


Isaiah 41:8
“ But you, Israel, are My servant,
Jacob whom I have chosen,
The descendants of Abraham My friend.

James 2:23
And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, 'Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.'And he was called the friend of God.

When God speaks people's logical questions or opinion systematically become outdated. Questions like " does God need a friend to be happy?" "How can Abraham be God's friend when he has not seen God?" do not in anyway concern or compare with God's knowledge because what he ( God ) can not do does not exist. No human logical thinking can be compared with that of God. Never!! If God says you are blind just know that indeed you are blind irrespective of tones of images your eyes see physically every day .

Isaiah 55:8-11

8 "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD.
9
"As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.
10
As the rain and the snow come down from heaven, and do not return to it without watering the earth and making it bud and flourish, so that it yields seed for the sower and bread for the eater,
11
so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.


Now in the same light, this same God was pleased to reward and declare JESUS his beloved SON. Now know this and have peace that irrespective of logical questions people may ask no one can reverse it. Here this, if God can declare human being ( an ordinary flesh ) his people in Hosea 2:23, is it Jesus Christ whose birthday ( his mother got pregnant without her husbands sperm in her ) and death ( came back to live after practically dying for 3 day) are mysteriously strange ( [b]the first and the last of it kind combined the world would ever withness till end of time ) that God can't declare his BELOVED SON?[/b]

Here in the verse, Jesus was declared by God to be his Son

Mark 1:11, NIV: And a voice came from heaven: 'You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.

Mark 9:7, ESV: And a cloud overshadowed them, and a voice came out of the cloud, “This is my beloved Son; listen to him.”

Just like how a king would relinquish power to his loyal prince so also has God ( his father ) given him ( Jesus Christ the prince ) extra ordinary power to rule over all that he ( God the Father ) has created both on Earth and in heaven.

Ephesians 1:21-22
Now he is far above any ruler or authority or power or leader or anything else—not only in this world but also in the world to come. God has put all things under the authority of Christ and has made him head over all things for the benefit of the church.

Also, God his father ( the king ) has given him ( Jesus Christ the prince) power to be the medium or platform [/b]through which people can get to heaven to live with God his father for ever.


[b]John14:6
Jesus told him ' I am the way-
Yes, and the truth and the life. No one can GET to the father (GOD the king)
except by means of me ( JESUS Christ the prince ).

John14:1
Let not your heart be troubled. You have trust in God ( the king ) now trust in me ( JESUS Christ the prince ).


John15:23
Anyone that is hating me ( JESUS the prince ) is hating the father (GOD the king)



NOTE! NOTE! NOTE!
WHEN YOU SEE THE PRINCE YOU HAVE SEEN THE KING!!

John 12:49
I don’t speak on my own authority. The Father ( God the king ) who sent me has commanded me ( Jesus Christ ) what to say and how to say it

MaxInDHouse:
So Jesus is NOT the only Son of God who is also a God!

Corrections:
I believe you know the difference between God and god.

Steep:
There is a difference between adopted son and begotten Son.
Jesus christ is the only begotten Son of God.