NRI PRIEST:

Umunnem ekeneem unu. I appreciate everyones contribution in this thread.I am actually new here but i have been following and been watching with keen interest
what you guys have been doing here,especially my Igbo folks.We Igbos are brothers,as so we are not suppose to be fighting each other over our beloved culture and tradition.It is well discern in history the influence of NRI KINGDOM and the daring acts of the ARO KINDOM,however,there is no doubt that NRI existed almost a thousand years before the advent of ARO.That alone tells you alot about their influence.We shouldnt be comparing ARO and NRI any way.
I want to also use this opportunity to  grolify all the people who has through the nairaland made me to be more proud of my root.
these people includes but are not limited to:
Afam4ever
Chinenye
Onlytruth
Bashra
Ezeuche
Ezeagu
baby osisi
Ikomi among others that i couldnt remenber now, onye nwe anyi gbaa unu ume mmaji pulu mmaji.

good for you.

these towns we are talking about here please how many of us are willing to relocate permanently to these places otherwise to me the arguments here are a waste of energy.

Which towns?

ezeagu:

Which towns?

all towns mentioned ie these people originated from town x or town y whether ngwa,aro,nri, southern,northern whatever.imean how many of us are willing to relocate our towns of origin permentanly to uplift or develop it?

I'm presume you're asking a rhetorical question, asha_80, but I'll answer anyway, and my answer is that I actually plan on doing just that.

ChinenyeN:

I'm presume you're asking a rhetorical question, asha_80, but I'll answer anyway, and my answer is that I actually plan on doing just that.

that is what i wanted to hear.to me i feel that is more important for now than any other thing.

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Question: Na who nominate am King of anybody, much more of Nigeria?

asha 80:

that is what i wanted to hear.to me i feel that is more important for now than any other thing.

Naturally. I agree. I remember when I was younger and I would be told stories of community development projects, when village-groups erected local schools, or when families provided communal plots to build this or that center. I don't hear those stories anymore. I barely even hear word of community development/benefit programs. Instead, it's all been replaced with pictures of the deplorable state of Aba, and that isn't right. Development is the most important thing.

ChinenyeN:

Naturally. I agree. I remember when I was younger and I would be told stories of community development projects, when village-groups erected local schools, or when families provided communal plots to build this or that center. I don't hear those stories anymore. I barely even hear word of community development/benefit programs. Instead, it's all been replaced with pictures of the deplorable state of Aba, and that isn't right. Development is the most important thing.

the peak of those things were in 50s,60s,70, and 80s but from 90s it started deteriorating.

do not get me wrong i do not have any issue with discussions of history and culture of different villages and towns BUT to me upliftment or development(especially defined one) is what i see as priority for now.

it does not make sense to me that someone will be boasting about coming from a place and bragging about it but if you visit you begin to wonder if this is the place noise is being made of.

maybe i am too forward looking.

No. You're not too forward looking. What you're talking about is correct. This is all about priorities. Cultural and historical discussions are all good and well. We can always have those, but at the same time, we should consider our priorities. To me, that is exactly what you're saying, and it's something I agree on 100%.

Obiagu1:




You all missed the point.
Whether you chose to believe the authority of Nri or not is not the issue. The fact is that Aro is younger than Nri and Aro was formed by Igbos and Aro had no authority over any other Igbo town or clan.

Ngwa is young and were of Mbaise descent.

No one is trying to establish hegemony over anyone. Nri never had army because that's not their system. Nri was not in control of my town (not far from Nri) and Nri clan does not exist. But the fact remains that Nri influence was felt across Igboland, including my town, and beyond and this was achieved not through war or coercion. If you dispute that, then you basically have problem. Whether that influence reached your town or clan does not make your town or clan bigger than Nri in Igboland. The bolded is the basic of all this dispute.

Aro was not formed by "Igbos" They are from a dynasty of Akamkpa/Akpa conquerors. From present day Akwa/Cross who brought civilisation ,introducing Nsibidi,Ekpe society etc. The Akpa reign in Aro till this day

OfoIgbo:
Exotic,

Nri kingdom is hundreds of years older than the Bini kingdom.
Artefacts ascribed to the Nri civilization (Igbo-Ukwu) are hundreds of years older than the best that your civilization could muster, and far more intricate that what your ancestors did hundreds of years later.

Nri built her influence without killing and maiming anyone because they had credibility. Your Bini civilisation spilled blood at every corner to enforce her rule.

Nri gave Bini the four days that I believe you guys still use till today (even though you guys may pronounce it slightly differently), so please you can go and study more about your past.

Ascribed to Nri civilisation? By whom? What is Nri civilisation.What artefacts exactly?
There is nothing like that, what you have is reconstructed stories based on a single archaeological discovery for which the contemporary locals had no tradition or explanations
Part of that discovery were beads of TransSaharan origin

omonnakoda:
Ascribed to Nri civilisation? By whom? What is Nri civilisation.What artefacts exactly?
There is nothing like that, what you have is reconstructed stories based on a single archaeological discovery for which the contemporary locals had no tradition or explanations
Part of that discovery were beads of TransSaharan origin

Cry all you like, Nri reigns supreme.

You forgot to mention the pendant that was also excavated. Guess what? The pendant is a face with Ichi scarification.

Guess who was/is the overall head of all Ichi men in Igboland, Igodomigodo, Igala and other places? The answer was always the Eze Nri.

So you can try and perform any cultural summersault you may want to perform, the clear fact remains that the Igbo-Ukwu findings tell a tale of the Nri people

OfoIgbo:



Cry all you like, Nri reigns supreme.

You forgot to mention the pendant that was also excavated. Guess what? The pendant is a face with Ichi scarification.

Guess who was/is the overall head of all Ichi men in Igboland, Igodomigodo, Igala and other places? The answer was always the Eze Nri.

So you can try and perform any cultural summersault you may want to perform, the clear fact remains that the Igbo-Ukwu findings tell a tale of the Nri people

It tells a tale?
What tale does It tell? One you like or make up?
The fact that archaeological discovery is made in New York today does not mean the ancestors of those living in New York today put it there
How do you explain the discovery of beads from North Africa in Nri?
When did this concept of "Igboland" arise?

omonnakoda:

How do you explain the discovery of beads from North Africa in Nri?

So there is this little thing that has been going on for thousands of years. People call it trade.

Wulfruna:

So there is this little thing that has been going on for thousands of years. People call it trade.

Even longer than that has been intelligent coherent communication?
What is your point?
That they traded in beads but not the other things that were unearthed?
That there is no residual evidence of bronze mask making as we have in Benin raises questions about where those items came from not just the beads
We cannot assume without proof that the current inhabitant s of Igbo Ukwu are descendants of the first inhabitants of Igbo Ukwu or that those items have anything to do with them.They could well be of Igala origin. There is no evidence of the spread across what we know as Igbo land
That facial scarification is not ubiquitous
They could have been spoils of war just like Benin bronzes in London

omonnakoda:

It tells a tale?
What tale does It tell? One you like or make up?
The fact that archaeological discovery is made in New York today does not mean the ancestors of those living in New York today put it there
How do you explain the discovery of beads from North Africa in Nri?
When did this concept of "Igboland" arise?

What is with constant need to deconstruct the perception of what is igbo, our history, culture and achievements? You cant even think outside the box and consider the trade? And whats with the question of the conception of igboland? Its an ethno-cultural region of people sharing a language, culture and history. Fuckinģ phenomenal morons like you will perform olympic gymanstics to deny any achievements begotten of us.

omonnakoda:
Even longer than that has been intelligent coherent communication?
What is your point?
That they traded in beads but not the other things that were unearthed?
That there is no residual evidence of bronze mask making as we have in Benin raises questions about where those items came from not just the beads
We cannot assume without proof that the current inhabitant s of Igbo Ukwu are descendants of the first inhabitants of Igbo Ukwu or that those items have anything to do with them.They could well be of Igala origin. There is no evidence of the spread across what we know as Igbo land
That facial scarification is not ubiquitous
They could have been spoils of war just like Benin bronzes in London

Unlike you i dont pretend to be an archrologist or a historian here is a source made by actual professionals and not wishmaker tauts like you.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/530674

For further reading look at the references of this wiki article, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeology_of_Igbo-Ukwu?wprov=sfla1

You ŕetard insinuating igbo-ukwu was igalan

omonnakoda:
Even longer than that has been intelligent coherent communication?
What is your point?
That they traded in beads but not the other things that were unearthed?
That there is no residual evidence of bronze mask making as we have in Benin raises questions about where those items came from not just the beads
We cannot assume without proof that the current inhabitant s of Igbo Ukwu are descendants of the first inhabitants of Igbo Ukwu or that those items have anything to do with them.They could well be of Igala origin. There is no evidence of the spread across what we know as Igbo land
That facial scarification is not ubiquitous
They could have been spoils of war just like Benin bronzes in London

In precisely the same general area of Igboland where pythons were held in high religious regard and people scarified their face in a radiating pattern (at least into the early part of the 20th century), archaeological digs uncover bronze works of a religious nature where the python motif was widely used and faces with radiating-pattern scarification, but you do not think it has anything to do with the surviving culture in that area. Lol. Dey play.