ezeagu:

The dependence of Ajala, Ajani in Abia state shows Nri influence.

Ajala. . is that supposed to be the same thing as Ala?

Yes, in parts of Abia State.

So Ala equals Nri? Is that what you're saying?

The earth goddess taboos and rituals are from Nri. She was controlled along with the yam spirit at Nri and the highest consultation of her comes from Nri. Other Igbo communities may have deities that do not come from Nri as they were consulted later.

What are the ritual?

Ajala is actually a "spirit" and it exist in my moms village.

ChinenyeN:

What are the ritual?

What Ifyalways was saying about "ikpu aru" such as suicide which is against the earth goddess.

@Ezeagu.That your town has allegiance with Nri,does not mean that every Igbo town has allegiance with Nri.Most Southern Igbos have no history of any links with Nri.They only started hearing about Nri in social studies and their grand parents never talked about Nri.

I am not disputing the possibility of being under Nri influence in the past but the links must have been lost more than 600 years ago.Hence no memory of Nri contact.

Abagworo:

I am not disputing the possibility of being under Nri influence in the past

That's the reason.

So let me get this straight. . . because of a "possibility", Mr. Ofoigbo will come here and have the gull to categorically tell me that my own traditions "never happened"? Because of a "possibility" you all will deem it perfectly acceptable to turn a blind eye to the COMPLETE LACK of Nri-centered traditions in the area? Because of some "possibility" you find it reasonable and okay to falsely propagate AS FACT some Nri religio-cultural hegemony that YOU GUESS extended to the coast?

Because of some "possibility", you think it is okay to come here and LIE. Because of some "possibility".

You have yet to even begin explaining the complete lack of Nri-centered traditions. Still you proudly waltz in here to categorically lie, stating that Nri covered all of Igbo.

ezeagu:

What Ifyalways was saying about "ikpu aru" such as suicide which is against the earth goddess.

I actually went and inquired about this a few days ago. We don't know "Ikpu aru" in Ngwa, only "Ikwa Ala".

I found a quote from an Amaigbo group (the place where many southern Igbo traditions point to).

The name Amaigbo means the street or meeting center (Ama) of the Igbo Civilization, for such (Eastern and Southern) Igbo groups as the Ohuhu, Ngwa, Mbaise, Ndoni, and Cross River Igbo the role of the Nri Kingdom (cradle of Igbo Civilization) is occupied by Amaigbo Civilizaition in the Orlu area, In the oral tradition of the Igbo groups mentioned, it was from Amaigbo that their founding ancestors/ancestress dispersed, while Nri Kingdom is more of the spiritual center of Igbo Civilization in general, Amaigbo represents more of the ancestral factor (particularly among the Southern and Eastern Igbo), these two centers are in North Central uplands (Nsukka-Afikpo-Awka-Orlu) of Igbo Civilization which is referred to as the heartland and the earliest area of settlement in Igboland,

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=26271364438

I am inclined to make my statement categorically, but I'll just reserve that and say that I have strong doubts and suspicions about those Amaigbo/Eastern Isuama claims. I believe I even shared those doubts here in this same thread.

You know what, it doesn't matter. I'll make my statement categorically. I've always had a problem with the Eastern Isuama/Orlu/Amaigbo claim. I've found it doubtful and debatable. In fact, I categorically deny/dismiss the claim completely.

Is it the semitic Igbo-Odudwa origin, or the Eri Nri children of a man called Igbo?

I don't get what you're asking.

That's the origin theories I've read from Amaigbo.

Well then Amaigbo should speak for itself.

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What is written there(Amaigbo page) has to do with the Isu group.I believe Isu is the Nri of Southern Igbo because most groups usually have one link or the other to Isu.Orsu for example is a hybrid of Isu and Oru.But further South,I doubt if Oroatta and Ikwerre have much in common with Isu.
They call every other Igbo people Umuisuama or Nwisuama.While Ikwerre also calls Oroatta Nwisuama.It is therefore possible that most Southern Igbos are linked to Amaigbo which is the heart of Isu.

We've all borrowed some parts of our collective traditions from each other, and even from our non-Igbo neighbors. Nobody is disputing Nri influence at some point, in SOME parts of Igbo land. But there is really no evidence that much of what is Igbo tradition originated in Nri as some are claiming. Just because something was practiced in Nri does not mean other Igbos were not practicing it before them. There are certain things that Nri exported to other areas, but to sit here and think that it is a one way street with Nri 'TUTORING' other Igbos IS JUST CONDESCENDING. Surely, they learnt from other Igbos that they were in contact with. There is no evidence that the Ala deity started in Nri, or even the four market days,,,,,,they might have exported it to Benin(which the binis dispute) or Igala, but it does not mean they founded the practice in Igboland.

On the topic of Southern Igbo and Isu

One interesting thing I've noticed is that once one goes beyond Mbaitolu, Ikeduru and Obowu, there are virtually no claim of kinship with Isu or other Isu groups. For example, in Ezilihite, there is a traditional recognition of Isu people as strangers/immigrants in the area. The local name for Isu people is 'Isoma' (a corruption of the self-given name 'Isuama'). It is also traditional said that pre-colonially, the people known as 'Isoma' could not typically travel to Ngwa without an Ezilihite escort.

This is one reason why I doubt the claims of Eastern Isuama origin.

I'll like to say this again. Nri is not a clan. Nri gave birth to towns and clans. Nri clan does not exist. If any clan evolved directly from Nri, then it'll probably be Isu.

What I find so irritating is that those shouting Nri has no influence in my town are those that already have issues with the so called "Northern Igbos" so their argument is already biased.

If your town or clan have no link to Nri and/or Amaigbo, then you should probably quit this thread and go and find where you came from because you might not have Igbo origin and was probably assimilated.

Is there not an "Umu-Nri" clan? Also, where are you getting this "Isu came from Nri" thing?

Obiagu1:

What I found so irritating is that those shouting Nri has no influence in my town are those that already have issues with the so called "Northern Igbos" so their argument is already biased.

Don't even try pulling this nonsense. The reason why I "have issues" with the so called "Northern Igbo" is specifically because of this topic we have been discussing (the false claims of Nri association). These lies are my only issue with "Northern Igbo" axis. So you cannot claim "biased argument", since my argument with "Northern Igbo" has always and has only been this particular topic at hand.

Obiagu1:

If your town or clan have no link to Nri and Amaigbo, then you should probably quit this thread and go and found where you came from because you might not have Igbo origin and was probably assimilated.

The problem with this quote is that you wrote "Igbo origin". You might want to consider reassessing your statement since there is no such thing as "Igbo origin", like you seem to be using it.

if there's no such thing as Igbo origin then what the hell do we speak and whose language is that?
A beg leave matter.

You seem to be uncomfortable with what was written on that Amaigbo website, suddenly the oldest man on earth, Chinenye, start having issues with Isuama origin. Funny boy.

There's Umu-Nri but it's not a clan. People will list Agukwu-Nri, Enugwu-Ukwu, Nawfia etc but they forget that Agulu was one of the earliest desendants of Nri and Eri.

Your sarcasm gets real annoying. Is it that you are unable to just speak straight or what? Why must you add sarcasm to everything? Stop playing dumb with this your "origin/language" thing. You know that Igbo is a collection of related and unrelated peoples. So don't come here talking about "Igbo origin".

Also, let me clarify some things up for you. What those Isu wrote on their Amaigbo website has to do with them (the Isu). What the Ngwa/Ezilihite and others have to say about Isu suggests otherwise. So no, I did not "suddenly" start having an issue with the Isuama origin.

Obiagu1:

There's Umu-Nri but it's not a clan. People will list Agukwu-Nri, Enugwu-Ukwu, Nawfia etc but they forget that Agulu was one of the earliest desendants of Nri and Eri.

Relax. I only asked a simple question, because I have seen people (even Nri people) speak of an "Umu-Nri" clan. I wouldn't know. I'm not Nri, or anything near related to it. So I only asked a question, in response to what you wrote about "no such thing as Nri clan".

Umunnem ekeneem unu. I appreciate everyones contribution in this thread.I am actually new here but i have been following and been watching with keen interest
what you guys have been doing here,especially my Igbo folks.We Igbos are brothers,as so we are not suppose to be fighting each other over our beloved culture and tradition.It is well discern in history the influence of NRI KINGDOM and the daring acts of the ARO KINDOM,however,there is no doubt that NRI existed almost a thousand years before the advent of ARO.That alone tells you alot about their influence.We shouldnt be comparing ARO and NRI any way.
I want to also use this opportunity to grolify all the people who has through the nairaland made me to be more proud of my root.
these people includes but are not limited to:
Afam4ever
Chinenye
Onlytruth
Bashra
Ezeuche
Ezeagu
baby osisi
Ikomi among others that i couldnt remenber now, onye nwe anyi gbaa unu ume mmaji pulu mmaji.

Ndeewo NRI PRIEST. If you want to keep sane in this website, confine yourself to the culture section, or never go to the politics section.

Ezeagu, daalu nwanne mmadu, I so much respect your knowledge and your resilience(Igbo resilience) towards issues that concerns Ndigbo. And thanks for your advice on hw to have a peaceful sojoin here, I will like to know where you come from because you have the traits of,

Pictures.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-730776.0.html

i see.