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broadman20:
Giving the Nigerian police a direction they don't not have.

Which direction is he giving them now that they didn't have before?

lexy2014:
What is the correlation between "slightly distorted narrative” and "full digitisation, and inter-connectivity of the activities of the Nigerian Police"?

Meanwhile, you haven't answered the questions I asked...

If someone comes to a police station with a "slightly distorted narrative", why should that affect the result of the investigation? Is that not why there must be an investigation to ascertain the veracity of a complaints story? If the police obtain different results from one investigation, shouldn't it be a result of the failure of police investigative processes which are usually about helping the highest bidder than ensuring justice? Why are you blaming poor database for bad police work?

According you "But here we are in Nigeria, we have a very docile police system who doesn't even have the slightest access to any privileged information or intelligence."

Am glad you called it "docile police system ". Is it lack of database that made the system "docile"? Is it availability of database that will make it not to be docile? If you fix the docility, how database fix it?

It's funny that you say police don't have access to intelligence. Who will give them that access? Isn't their job to source for intelligence to get things done?

I told you earlier that you deviated from the point I was trying to make.

And you're still missing the point.

And I won't try to explain again.

Sorry bro

tk4radi:
I told you earlier that you deviated from the point I was trying to make.

And you're still missing the point.

And I won't try to explain again.

Sorry bro

You haven't answered the questions.

What is the correlation between "slightly distorted narrative” and "full digitisation, and inter-connectivity of the activities of the Nigerian Police"?

If someone comes to a police station with a "slightly distorted narrative", why should that affect the result of the investigation? Is that not why there must be an investigation to ascertain the veracity of a complaints story? If the police obtain different results from one investigation, shouldn't it be a result of the failure of police investigative processes which are usually about helping the highest bidder than ensuring justice? Why are you blaming poor database for bad police work?

According you "But here we are in Nigeria, we have a very docile police system who doesn't even have the slightest access to any privileged information or intelligence."

Am glad you called it "docile police system ". Is it lack of database that made the system "docile"? Is it availability of database that will make it not to be docile? If you fix the docility, how database fix it?

It's funny that you say police don't have access to intelligence. Who will give them that access? Isn't their job to source for intelligence to get things done?

tk4radi:
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The summary of the whole thing is that the IGP is trying to put an end to “THE ORDER IS FROM ABOVE...”
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This is rubbish. It will make original investigating bodies demy gods. My petition to Force HQ was referred back to FCT Command where my client was nearly beaten up by police who collected money from the culprit.
That case has no headway till date. We can't even follow up except write all other bodies like min of justice etc without response. It's a hell of a country.

lexy2014:
You haven't answered the questions.

When I told you that you missed the whole point I was trying to make.. I meant every bit of what I said.

What is the correlation between "slightly distorted narrative” and "full digitisation, and inter-connectivity of the activities of the Nigerian Police"?

Investigations cannot happen without having Information.
And the police cannot have Information without having data.
Digitisation and inter-connectivity will enhance data sharing.

Now, the fact you brought “slightly distorted narrative” here made me believe that you didn't understand the comment.
Go back and read it again.

Meanwhile, if the police have a database where they register their cases and Investigations, two police Stations cannot be handling the same “investigation” without being aware that both of them are handling the same case independently.
Whether they are slightly distorted or not.
It would have shown clearly on their system, that another station is already investigating on it..

I take it to be that you have not encountered the Nigerian Police yet.

If someone comes to a police station with a "slightly distorted narrative", why should that affect the result of the investigation? Is that not why there must be an investigation to ascertain the veracity of a complaints story? If the police obtain different results from one investigation, shouldn't it be a result of the failure of police investigative processes which are usually about helping the highest bidder than ensuring justice? Why are you blaming poor database for bad police work?

Now you want me to repeat myself?
If the two police investigators asked all the likely investigative questions, there is every possibility that they asked similar questions,, and thus, they should seek for the answers by gathering all the necessary information they could lay their hands on, and they need to gather and process a lot of data before they get the information they need.
So, why would there ever be different Investigation-results?
It's because the different investigators might have asked slightly different questions, which led them to seek for different Information form differing data-sources.. And thus, the information at their disposal differed.
(You cannot just be here and be trying your best make me to believe that police investigation must always be like: “bring money let me cover everything up for you”..
Even if that used to happen,, my comment is looking forward to a future police which we are hoping for, where Information is what powers and fuels the Investigations, and not about money, or corrupt police system.. GO BACK AND READ MY COMMENT AGAIN.. I WASN'T BLAMING. I WAS TRYING TO PROVIDE SOLUTIONS.)

According you "But here we are in Nigeria, we have a very docile police system who doesn't even have the slightest access to any privileged information or intelligence."

Am glad you called it "docile police system ". Is it lack of database that made the system "docile"? Is it availability of database that will make it not to be docile? If you fix the docility, how database fix it?

I didn't understand the last part of this question, but nevertheless, let me answer the ones I understood.

Meanwhile, to answer you here again means that I am repeating myself all-over again.

If the police system is effective, the Policemen will also deliver.

It's funny that you say police don't have access to intelligence. Who will give them that access? Isn't their job to source for intelligence to get things done?

Now you got it,, but you deliberately skewed off again.
(I know your type, but that's not what I am here to talk about)...
It is their job to source for intelligence,, and to source for it in any way possible.
But then, the places they should be sourcing for the intelligence, they still don't have access to them, even though they are supposed to have access to them based on the laws that established them.
So, we should be asking the Nigerian Police why they don't have access to such useful databases from where they are supposed to be getting useful information and intelligence, whereas they are supposed to have such access based on the laws that established them.

But you're here telling me that have such access to data and Information is not necessary.
Are you for real??
So, how then are they supposed to carry out their supposed Investigations, and reach to conclusive ends, and get justice truly served if they don't have access to enough Information?

Snakedoctor1:
This is rubbish. It will make original investigating bodies demy gods. My petition to Force HQ was referred back to FCT Command where my client was nearly beaten up by police who collected money from the culprit.
That case has no headway till date. We can't even follow up except write all other bodies like min of justice etc without response. It's a hell of a country.

I understand exactly what you mean.






Do you believe that a good government leadership can turn things around??
Especially in the “Nigeria Police Force”, and Judiciary System.?

Do you believe that, if we elect a good president and good legislative members come February, that they can do something to correct all these anomalies, and reform the Nigerian Police for good?

tk4radi:
I understand exactly what you mean.






Do you believe that a good government leadership can turn things around??
Especially in the “Nigeria Police Force”, and Judiciary System.?

Do you believe that, if we elect a good president and good legislative members come February, that they can do something to correct all these anomalies, and reform the Nigerian Police for good?

Obidient all the way

tk4radi:
When I told you that you missed the whole point I was trying to make.. I meant every bit of what I said.

Investigations cannot happen without having Information.
And the police cannot have Information without having data.
Digitisation and inter-connectivity will enhance data sharing.

Now, the fact you brought “slightly distorted narrative” here made me believe that you didn't understand the comment.
Go back and read it again.

Meanwhile, if the police have a database where they register their cases and Investigations, two police Stations cannot be handling the same “investigation” without being aware that both of them are handling the same case independently.
Whether they are slightly distorted or not.
It would have shown clearly on their system, that another station is already investigating on it..

I take it to be that you have not encountered the Nigerian Police yet.



Now you want me to repeat myself?
If the two police investigators asked all the likely investigative questions, there is every possibility that they asked similar questions,, and thus, they should seek for the answers by gathering all the necessary information they could lay their hands on, and they need to gather and process a lot of data before they get the information they need.
So, why would there ever be different Investigation-results?
It's because the different investigators might have asked slightly different questions, which led them to seek for different Information form differing data-sources.. And thus, the information at their disposal differed.
(You cannot just be here and be trying your best make me to believe that police investigation must always be like: “bring money let me cover everything up for you”..
Even if that used to happen,, my comment is looking forward to a future police which we are hoping for, where Information is what powers and fuels the Investigations, and not about money, or corrupt police system.. GO BACK AND READ MY COMMENT AGAIN.. I WASN'T BLAMING. I WAS TRYING TO PROVIDE SOLUTIONS.)



I didn't understand the last part of this question, but nevertheless, let me answer the ones I understood.

Meanwhile, to answer you here again means that I am repeating myself all-over again.

If the police system is effective, the Policemen will also deliver.

Now you got it,, but you deliberately skewed off again.
(I know your type, but that's not what I am here to talk about)...
It is their job to source for intelligence,, and to source for it in any way possible.
But then, the places they should be sourcing for the intelligence, they still don't have access to them, even though they are supposed to have access to them based on the laws that established them.
So, we should be asking the Nigerian Police why they don't have access to such useful databases from where they are supposed to be getting useful information and intelligence, whereas they are supposed to have such access based on the laws that established them.

But you're here telling me that have such access to data and Information is not necessary.
Are you for real??
So, how then are they supposed to carry out their supposed Investigations, and reach to conclusive ends, and get justice truly served if they don't have access to enough Information?

These are your exact words:

"Meanwhile, you missed my point about the “slightly distorted narrative” line.
I was referring to the full digitisation, and inter-connectivity of the activities of the Nigerian Police."

What is the point that was missed?

If investigation can't happen without information, what type of information is needed? What type data are you referring to?

For instance, a woman in bauch killed her co-wife in bauchi and was arrested. How will lack "Digitisation and inter-connectivity will enhance data sharing" prevent the police from investigating the case?

What has my encountering or not encountering nigerian police yet got to with what I asked you?

So what is the "slightly distorted narrative" as used here...."would carry the same matter to another station with a slightly distorted narrative"?

Can you show me where I said that "...police investigation must always be like: “bring money let me cover everything up for you”?

Pls where is Abba Kyari, the "super cop"?

You are looking "forward to a future police which we are hoping for, where Information is what powers and fuels the Investigations". On what foundation should this future police be built? Is the present police work not powered and fueled by information?

You aren't repeating yourself. You didn't answer the question. Am glad you called it "docile police system ". How is the police system docile? Is it lack of database that made the system "docile"? Is it availability of database that will make it not to be docile? If you fix the docility, how will database fix it?

Here you are saying you are blaming but you keep saying that the reason police isn't effective is because of lack of database.
Hence the questions I asked about "docile police system". What makes the police system docile?

Pls what is "intelligence" and what is "information"? Where are the places the need to source for intelligence that they don't have access to?

What information does the police need to investigate let's say Abba Kyari that they don't have? What database do they need to investigate him?

Are you saying that all inconclusive cases in the nigerian police are a result of lack of database?

tk4radi:
But then...
In my own little contribution to this....

This cannot work effectively IF THE NIGERIAN POLICE DOESN'T HAVE A UNIFIED DATABASE SYSTEM which serves for the whole of the Police Operations in the country.



I think the Nigerian Police should have a unified database across the whole nation.

So that someone cannot come to one station and report someone, and then, the same person that was reported against (in the first station) would carry the same matter to another station with a slightly distorted narrative, and yet, the second station wouldn't be aware that such a case was already pending in another station.

The Nigerian Police should streamline all their database and data-management systems, and make it unified, and then, allow it to be updated in real-time.



Then again:......
The Nigerian Police should also have access to the NIMC’s NIN-Numbers database, and BVN, and INEC’s VIN-Numbers database, so that people's identities can be verified properly and also cross-verified when necessary..

The Nigerian Police are supposed to have all the necessary security by-pass to all the possible available identity-management data-base systems in Nigeria, including BVN, NIMC-NIN, NCC, FRSC, TIN, NHIS, NPC, INEC-VIN, PASSPORT-NUMBER etc., and be able to cross-check data from any of them in order to get out every possible information that pertains to the identification of individuals, which would give them further leads in their investigations.

But here we are in Nigeria, we have a very docile police system who doesn't even have the slightest access to any privileged information or intelligence.

Even the banks have by-pass access to run checks on customers’ INEC-VIN, NIMC-NIN, FRSC-LICENCE, AND PASSPORTS.
But our police doesn't have any, which is very very baadd.


THEN,, For the sake of privacy policy, and for the Protection of private information of the citizens, the by-pass granted to the police for the checks should be regulated, and be fully official and formal, and ANY of such checks made on any of the data-base portals would be properly lodged against the logon-identity of the officer who conducted the check as well as that of the team-leader who authorised the checks, including the file-number of the case-file for which the check was done.

Thus, the results of any single data-base checks should have the logon-identity of the officer who ran the check and that of the officer who authorised for the checking to be done, the title of the case-file and file-number, and a brief description for the need of the check..

This would minimise unauthorized checking of people's private information by compromised or unauthorized police officers, for unauthorised purposes.

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