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Re: Agnosticism by Workch: 1:45pm On Jan 28, 2023 |
Maynman:That's what people refer to as God generally and I don't know if such a thing exist. |
Re: Agnosticism by Workch: 1:46pm On Jan 28, 2023 |
Maynman:and how did you know that flying lions cannot exist? Have you searched all planets in the universe? |
Re: Agnosticism by Maynman: 1:46pm On Jan 28, 2023 |
Workch: I get your point. What I’m saying is before you make a statement you should have evidence for it, not you saying I should disprove your claim. 1 Like
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Re: Agnosticism by Maynman: 1:47pm On Jan 28, 2023 |
Workch: But “god” is an English word, different people call different things god, what qualifies something to be a “god”? |
Re: Agnosticism by Maynman: 1:48pm On Jan 28, 2023 |
Workch: It’s you that’s making the statement, it’s you that should prove it.
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Re: Agnosticism by Workch: 1:50pm On Jan 28, 2023 |
Maynman:science is all about making informed statements called hypothesis and then to design an experiment to test those hypotheses. It becomes a fact when that hypothesis has been proven true. Without an experiment to falsify a hypothesis, you cannot say that the hypothesis is wrong or right. Now, can you design a test to falsify a deistic god? |
Re: Agnosticism by Maynman: 1:52pm On Jan 28, 2023 |
Workch:Before you bring out the hypothesis you should first prove it works, if you can’t prove it then it doesn’t work, it’s not my job to prove if your hypothesis is wrong or right. Is like saying you have cure for hiv, okay, show us you have it. Not you saying I should prove you don’t have the cure. Now, can you design a test to defend your “deistic god”, after you do it then i can test your defence.
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Re: Agnosticism by Workch: 1:58pm On Jan 28, 2023 |
Maynman:Nope, in science, it doesn't necessarily mean that the person who brought the hypothesis should test it. Charles Darwin established the hypothesis of evolution by natural selection. He didn't prove it, other scientists tested it to prove it or disprove it. They found out that its true. Albert Einstein's theory of relativity was a hypothesis he never tested, other scientists tested the idea by designing experiments, they found that it's true. Stephen hawking formulated hawking radiation, it was tested and validated after he had died. So yes, one can drop a hypothesis and another people invalidate it. Often times, this happens in science. So now, can you design an experiment to invalidate a deistic god hypothesis? |
Re: Agnosticism by Maynman: 2:01pm On Jan 28, 2023 |
Workch:Let’s start with charles darwin, what was his hypothesis? I’m sure he didn’t just give a blank statement, he showed workings of how he arrived at the hypothesis. How did you arrive at a “deistic god”?
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Re: Agnosticism by Workch: 2:06pm On Jan 28, 2023 |
Maynman:Darwin proposed that species can change over time, that new species come from pre-existing species, and that all species share a common ancestor and this happens via natural selection. Darwin himself didn't prove this claim. Other scientists years after him did and there were things that he proposed that were disproven as well along the line. |
Re: Agnosticism by LordReed(m): 2:07pm On Jan 28, 2023 |
Workch: I don't understand what you are driving at. |
Re: Agnosticism by Maynman: 2:07pm On Jan 28, 2023 |
Workch:Darwin didn’t just make a statement and call it hypothesis, how did darwin arrive at the conclusions? He didn’t carry out experiments?
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Re: Agnosticism by Workch: 2:09pm On Jan 28, 2023 |
Maynman:Darwin himself didn't prove his hypothesis, he had ideas from several species. He couldn't prove that a species can change overtime through inheritance. He formulated the idea from his observations |
Re: Agnosticism by Workch: 2:09pm On Jan 28, 2023 |
Maynman:Darwin never provided evidence for evolution. Other scientists did it for him by testing his ideas. |
Re: Agnosticism by Maynman: 2:11pm On Jan 28, 2023 |
Workch: Darwin didn’t just wake up one day and make a statement calling it hypothesis. He observed, experimented and used others people ideas to arrive at its conclusion.
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Re: Agnosticism by Workch: 2:11pm On Jan 28, 2023 |
LordReed:What I am driving at is that, your analogy doesn't necessarily disprove the possibility of a frits cause. I am not saying that a first cause necessarily exist but your analogy doesn't address that issue |
Re: Agnosticism by Maynman: 2:11pm On Jan 28, 2023 |
Workch:Darwin didn’t just wake up and claim there is “evolution”? Or that’s what he did? He didn’t explain how he arrived at it? |
Re: Agnosticism by Maynman: 2:13pm On Jan 28, 2023 |
Workch:Darwin provided masses of evidence for his work, he didn’t make a blank statement calling it hypothesis. |
Re: Agnosticism by Workch: 2:15pm On Jan 28, 2023 |
Maynman:Do you know scientific procedures? Seems like you are not aware. What's you are showing me are darins observations and not his experimenrs and tests. 1. You make observations by looking at specimens, this is what Darwin did. 2. Then you create hypothesis from your observations. Darin propose evolution by natural selection after observing all these specimens. 3. Design an experiment to test your hypothesis. Darwin never did this. It was done years after he died 4. Design a method and theory to explain your results. Darwin never did this, it was done after he died. If you disgaree when show me the experiment specifically attributed to Darwin in science. 4. |
Re: Agnosticism by Maynman: 2:16pm On Jan 28, 2023 |
Workch:Darwin provided tons of evidence for his hypothesis. Where are the evidences of your deistic god?
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Re: Agnosticism by Workch: 2:17pm On Jan 28, 2023 |
Maynman:Darwin provided mass observations and not evidence just like lamarck did. Other scientists like Friedrich Miescher, mendel, Watson and crick etc provided empirical and testable evidence for evolution with discovery of nucleic acids, their structures and genetics. Darwin didn't provide any empirical evidence. |
Re: Agnosticism by Maynman: 2:18pm On Jan 28, 2023 |
Workch:He provided mass of evidence for his work, he didn’t make a blank statement telling people to disprove it.
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Re: Agnosticism by Workch: 2:19pm On Jan 28, 2023 |
Maynman:No one believed darwin even in science until other scientist proved it with testable evidence. Forget all these thing you are posting. Darwin made observations and it wa never a theory until he died |
Re: Agnosticism by Workch: 2:21pm On Jan 28, 2023 |
Maynman:Ok, let me ask you a question. What experiment did darwin design? Tell me In science, do you reach conclusions without an experiment? If you go ot the other cksms about Einstein and Hawking, you will discover that those guys made claims that other proved |
Re: Agnosticism by Maynman: 2:21pm On Jan 28, 2023 |
Workch: Darwin provided tons of evidence, it was those evidence that other scientists work on. He didn’t wake up one day and say evolution exist without explaining how he arrive at it.
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Re: Agnosticism by Workch: 2:22pm On Jan 28, 2023 |
Maynman:Darwin ideas was not proven in one day, it took years of gathering evidence. It was finally a scientific theory when he died. |
Re: Agnosticism by Maynman: 2:23pm On Jan 28, 2023 |
Workch:Didn’t he work on animals, travelling round the globe? And documenting his evidence. He didn’t make a blank statement telling people to disprove it, he showed workings of how he arrived at it! |
Re: Agnosticism by Workch: 2:23pm On Jan 28, 2023 |
Maynman:Darwin provided tons of observations. No evidence. He wasn't even a scientists, he doesn't know much about experimental methods. It's fact |
Re: Agnosticism by Maynman: 2:23pm On Jan 28, 2023 |
Workch:Who said it was proven in one day? Darwin also didn’t wake up one day and say evolution exists, he showed workings and scientist tested that.
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Re: Agnosticism by Maynman: 2:25pm On Jan 28, 2023 |
Workch: Darwin was not to first to work on evolution, he didn’t wake up one day and claim there’s evolution.
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Re: Agnosticism by Workch: 2:25pm On Jan 28, 2023 |
Maynman:His documentation are his observations and the proposal. He never provide evidence for us to test. Other scientists after him designed experiments to test his proposal. Some passed, some failed. Darwin never tested evolution in any lab. He never called any speicmen that was analyzed in a lab and repeated tested. Others did it |
Re: Agnosticism by LordReed(m): 2:26pm On Jan 28, 2023 |
Workch: It's not an analogy. Scientists can demonstrate that the idea of causality can be disrupted at the quantum level. If as is being surmised the big bang was a result of a disturbance in the quantum foam then it is possible there was no cause since the chain of cause and effect can be shown to be different from what we are familiar with. Now I am not saying that is what happened I am just saying that is a possibility we might need to get our heads around. |
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