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Workch:
this is true at your own reference frame.
From the a photons reference frame, you didn't travel faster than light.

I hope you understand

Still haven't said WHY humans cannot survive a wormhole trip.

See my previous post:

LordReed:
LoLz. Let's illustrate. For example a wormhole connects a region of space near earth's orbit and a region of space 1 lightyear away. The light from our sun will take one year to traverse the distance normally. A person in a space ship uses that wormhole and arrives at the end point after 10mins. Which is faster, the person in the space ship or the light from the sun?

LordReed:
LoLz. Let's illustrate. For example a wormhole connects a region of space near earth's orbit and a region of space 1 lightyear away. The light from our sun will take one year to traverse the distance normally. A person in a space ship uses that wormhole and arrives at the end point after 10mins. Which is faster, the person in the space ship or the light from the sun?

according to theory of relativity, the time it will take light to travel the same distance that you covered using the warmhole is relative. Please, read about theory of relativity carefully.

From your own reference frame, it will take light about 8 minutes to travel from the sun to the surface of the earth, but that's your own reference and this time is relative depending on the reference frame you are talking about. From a photon's reference frame, it took 0second to travel from the sun to the surface of the earth.


This is according to special theory of relativity. I think you should check it up.

LordReed:
Still haven't said WHY humans cannot survive a wormhole trip.

See my previous post:

I will tell you why humans cannot survive warmholes, but that won't really matter if warmholes technically doesnt make you travel faster than light.
It might within your own reference frame but not within all frame of references. This is because time is relative

Workch:
I will tell you why humans cannot survive warmholes, but that won't really matter if warmholes technically doesnt make you travel faster than light.
It might within your own reference frame but not within all frame of references. This is because time is relative

Well spit it out then.

Workch:
according to theory of relativity, the time it will take light to travel the same distance that you covered using the warmhole is relative. Please, read about theory of relativity carefully.

From your own reference frame, it will take light about 8 minutes to travel from the sun to the surface of the earth, but that's your own reference and this time is relative depending on the reference frame you are talking about. From a photon's reference frame, it took 0second to travel from the sun to the surface of the earth.


This is according to special theory of relativity. I think you should check it up.

LoLz. The 10mins travel time and the 1 year travel time are being recorded from the same frame of reference.

LordReed:
LoLz. The 10mins travel time and the 1 year travel time are being recorded from the same frame of reference.

Nope, do you understand theory of relativity?

Yes or no, I can explain if you don't

Workch:
Nope, do you understand theory of relativity?

Yes or no, I can explain if you don't

LoLz. You aren't the one giving the scenario, I am the one giving it and I telling you the frame of reference is the same. The 10mins travel time for the wormhole is not the traveller's subjective time. As a matter fact the traveller's subjective time would be even shorter that the 10mins the observers frame of reference would have recorded. If you understand relativity you'll understand why that is the case.

LordReed:
LoLz. You aren't the one giving the scenario, I am the one giving it and I telling you the frame of reference is the same. The 10mins travel time for the wormhole is not the traveller's subjective time. As a matter fact the traveller's subjective time would be even shorter that the 10mins the observers frame of reference would have recorded. If you understand relativity you'll understand why that is the case.

But he's right, the time taken for you to travel through that warmhole can never be faster than light from a photon's perspective.

That's relativity. Time is never objective, it's never going to be. Nothing can travel faster than light if you consider this.

From your scenario, the person traveling through the wormhole will travel faster but it's an illusion, that's actually not the case in reality.

Go and check

Trollronaldo:
But he's right, the time taken for you to travel through that warmhole can never be faster than light from a photon's perspective.

That's relativity. Time is never objective, it's never going to be. Nothing can travel faster than light if you consider this.

Go and check

In the observer's frame of reference the wormhole traveller is faster than light but in the traveller's frame of reference he is not. I already said several times that: The wormhole doesn't require you to accelerate to lightspeed! It is not the speed of the traveller that is making him faster than light, it's the wormhole. The wormhole folds space so that the traveller actually travels a much shorter length inside the wormhole than outside it.

LordReed:
In the observer's frame of reference the wormhole traveller is faster than light but in the traveller's frame of reference he is not. I already said several times that: The wormhole doesn't require you to accelerate to lightspeed! It is not the speed of the traveller that is making him faster than light, it's the wormhole. The wormhole folds space so that the traveller actually travels a much shorter length inside the wormhole than outside it.

But light doesn't accelerate in reality, it only does from your own frame of reference.

Light is every where simultaneously in reality. It's not that hard to figure

Workch:
lol OK 😂😂

You claim you don't believe or disprove but by disproving him you sound like you know already and believe God doesn't exist. There are many means of proving things even science doesn't know. Science is an ever changing and evolving concept, nothing you know yesterday is true today.

So calm down with trying to show you're smart by undermining others knowledge and believes.

Trollronaldo:
But light doesn't accelerate in reality, it only does from your own frame of reference.

Light is every where simultaneously in reality. It's not that hard to figure

I didn't say light accelerates, I said: The wormhole doesn't require you to accelerate to lightspeed!

Is it that you guys are not reading what I write and are just seeing what you want to see?

LordReed:
I didn't say light accelerates, I said: The wormhole doesn't require you to accelerate to lightspeed!

Is it that you guys are not reading what I write and are just seeing what you want to see?

We are reading your comment.

You are the person not wanting to understand how time works. You only want it to work from one reference point, which is your own.

It doesn't work that way

Trollronaldo:
We are reading your comment.

You are the person not wanting to understand how time works. You only want it to work from one reference point, which is your own.

It doesn't work that way

LoLz! This is funny. If you are reading it then did you see where I said that the subjective time of the traveller's frame of reference is shorter than that of the observer? Does that sound to you like I don't know that time is relative?

I don't think you guys are actually reading what I write, you just want to argue for your own position.

LordReed:
LoLz! This is funny. If you are reading it then did you see where I said that the subjective time of the traveller's frame of reference is shorter than that of the observer? Does that sound to you like I don't know that time is relative?

I don't think you guys are actually reading what I write, you just want to argue for your own position.

So why are you trying to box him to the corner by trying to let him see the scenario from one time reference frame instead of having a holistic approach?

If you do that, you will only win the argument by painting a myopic picture instead of just stating the whole truth.

Effective FTL travel via wormholes is possible. Scientists will achieve superluminal travel either using this method or others that will still be invented in the future.

All this is within the realm of possibility in science. Don't underestimate the power of the human mind.

It may seem hard or impossible for you, but not for some genuises or gifted people.

A historian like OtemAtum explained that gifted humans in ancient times achieved superluminal travel and many other great feats such as design of human body, animals, plants, things that look like science fictions.

Still, they all lie within the realm of possibility for scientists. Just give it time.

Trollronaldo:
So why are you trying to box him to the corner by trying to let him see the scenario from one time reference frame instead of having a holistic approach?

If you do that, you will only win the argument by painting a myopic picture instead of just stating the whole truth.

LoLz. How did I make him see only one frame of reference when I mentioned the 2?

LordReed:
LoLz. How did I make him see only one frame of reference when I mentioned the 2?

Is only two frames that we have?

Consider all the frames then you will realize that light is everywhere simultaneously

Trollronaldo:
Is only two frames that we have?

Consider all the frames then you will realize that light is everywhere simultaneously

LoLz yet the light from the sun takes 8mins to reach Earth. LMAO!

Lemme ask you this hypothetical quetion: If the sun suddenly disappears in a split second would we immediately see it disappear from Earth? Or will it take 8mins for us to see it has disappeared?

LordReed:
LoLz yet the light from the sun takes 8mins to reach Earth. LMAO!

Lemme ask you this hypothetical quetion: If the sun suddenly disappears in a split second would we immediately see it disappear from Earth? Or will it take 8mins for us to see it has disappeared?

light taken 8mins from the sun to earth is mirage. It's not true in all frames of reference.

In our frame of reference, we won't notice until after 8mins but for a photon, the sun appeared and disappeared simultaneously.

Time is weird sir

Trollronaldo:
light taken 8mins from the sun to earth is mirage. It's not true in all frames of reference.

In our frame of reference, we won't notice until after 8mins but for a photon, the sun appeared and disappeared simultaneously.

Time is weird sir

In which other frame of reference aside from being physical close to the sun would the disappearance also be immediate?

LordReed:
In which other frame of reference aside from being physical close to the sun would the disappearance also be immediate?

none, but the time by which it will be felt varies depending on how slower than light speed the frame of reference that is in question, which makes time a mirage.

An observer traveling at a speed 0.0001m/s slower than light will feel the disappearance of the sun almost immediately that it would be considered immediately.

There's actually only one evidence for God: your heart.

"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened."
Romans 1:18‭-‬21 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/rom.1.18-21.NKJV

This life speaks to our hearts every day. Some people choose to ignore it but alas on the last day when we stand before the judgement throne of Christ (For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
II Corinthians 5:10 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/2co.5.10.NKJV), you cannot (can never) look God in the face and say "I didn't know you existed".

The only person that can prove His existence to you is God Himself and trust me every day He speaks to mankind in words, actions, dreams, events, nature, through men, Angels, creation (he even spoke through a donkey once to a prophet Balaam in Numbers 22:21-39).

If you choose not to hear or believe, is not because there's no proof (there might be no scientific proof. You don't expect what was created to prove the existence of its own Creator), but because you refused to examine the proof laid out to you in your heart.

We also know that there's more to life than meets the eye. This world doesn't end in this realm.
We are not products of Science and everything in this world cannot be explained by it. There are other realms. Metaphysical. Like in the movie Matrix, we're all in a dimension of time and eternity. For you to believe that all you see is all there is to this life is already folly. That's why the Bible says "the fool days in his heart there's no God" (Psalm 14:1).

If you believe that there are other realms apart from this, it already means that you believe in spirits and spiritual things.

Now, even our earthly life mirrors the spiritual. Just as there is hierarchy in this life so also is there hierarchy in the spiritual.

God is called the Father of spirits: the head of all spiritual hierarchy (Hebrews 12:9).

But we also know that there is evil in that spiritual realm (read the story of Job in Job chapter 1). The Devil; the head of the dark spiritual hierarchy is looking for every opportunity to cause the evil we see in the world today.

This will give credence to the story of the Bible of there being a creature (Lucifer/Satan/Devil) who used to be close to God but rebelled out of envy. (Man was actually the object of that envy as God gave man dominion and elevated him so much in His plan that Satan became envious and rebelled against God).

Satan job is simple: keep mankind hostage to fear so that they can't worship God and become objects of God's wrath too just as he too is.

He does this through lies and deceit. One lie he has invested a lot in is the lie of there being no God.

I'll close with two scriptures:
But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
Hebrews 11:6 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/heb.11.6.NKJV

Faith involves believing that God exists and that He is good (a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him).
Faith is therefore the substance you use to know and fellowship with God. That's why atheists and agnostics are said to have no faith.
It's also not enough to believe that God exists, you must believe He is love. Some religions (like Islam I'm sorry to say) believe in a god without mercy or goodness. That's why they end up producing people who are trying to please their god (one who apparently is difficult to please) by enforcing his principles on others most times through terrorism.

The Bible calls God love (1 John 4:8 and 16). John 3:16, which summarises the Christian message, says "For God SO LOVED the world, He have His only begotten Son". That realisation of God being a loving Father who wants to have a loving relationship with you, changes the way you see life and treat His other creation, the highest of them being man (yourself and your neighbour, both of whom Jesus asked us to love; Matthew 22:39).

The second scripture is:
You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!
James 2:19 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/jas.2.19.NKJV

Even Satan believes and knows there is God and only One for that matter.
Charles Spurgeon once said: "atheism is a terrible vice. Even Satan didn't fall did it".

Don't fall did it too my brother.

kay1one:
There's actually only one evidence for God: your heart.

"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened."
Romans 1:18‭-‬21 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/rom.1.18-21.NKJV

This life speaks to our hearts every day. Some people choose to ignore it but alas on the last day when we stand before the judgement throne of Christ (For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
II Corinthians 5:10 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/2co.5.10.NKJV), you cannot (can never) look God in the face and say "I didn't know you existed".

The only person that can prove His existence to you is God Himself and trust me every day He speaks to mankind in words, actions, dreams, events, nature, through men, Angels, creation (he even spoke through a donkey once to a prophet Balaam in Numbers 22:21-39).

If you choose not to hear or believe, is not because there's no proof (there might be no scientific proof. You don't expect what was created to prove the existence of its own Creator), but because you refused to examine the proof laid out to you in your heart.

We also know that there's more to life than meets the eye. This world doesn't end in this realm.
We are not products of Science and everything in this world cannot be explained by it. There are other realms. Metaphysical. Like in the movie Matrix, we're all in a dimension of time and eternity. For you to believe that all you see is all there is to this life is already folly. That's why the Bible says "the fool days in his heart there's no God" (Psalm 14:1).

If you believe that there are other realms apart from this, it already means that you believe in spirits and spiritual things.

Now, even our earthly life mirrors the spiritual. Just as there is hierarchy in this life so also is there hierarchy in the spiritual.

God is called the Father of spirits: the head of all spiritual hierarchy (Hebrews 12:9).

But we also know that there is evil in that spiritual realm (read the story of Job in Job chapter 1). The Devil; the head of the dark spiritual hierarchy is looking for every opportunity to cause the evil we see in the world today.

This will give credence to the story of the Bible of there being a creature (Lucifer/Satan/Devil) who used to be close to God but rebelled out of envy. (Man was actually the object of that envy as God gave man dominion and elevated him so much in His plan that Satan became envious and rebelled against God).

Satan job is simple: keep mankind hostage to fear so that they can't worship God and become objects of God's wrath too just as he too is.

He does this through lies and deceit. One lie he has invested a lot in is the lie of there being no God.

I'll close with two scriptures:
But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
Hebrews 11:6 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/heb.11.6.NKJV

Faith involves believing that God exists and that He is good (a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him).
Faith is therefore the substance you use to know and fellowship with God. That's why atheists and agnostics are said to have no faith.
It's also not enough to believe that God exists, you must believe He is love. Some religions (like Islam I'm sorry to say) believe in a god without mercy or goodness. That's why they end up producing people who are trying to please their god (one who apparently is difficult to please) by enforcing his principles on others most times through terrorism.

The Bible calls God love (1 John 4:8 and 16). John 3:16, which summarises the Christian message, says "For God SO LOVED the world, He have His only begotten Son". That realisation of God being a loving Father who wants to have a loving relationship with you, changes the way you see life and treat His other creation, the highest of them being man (yourself and your neighbour, both of whom Jesus asked us to love; Matthew 22:39).

The second scripture is:
You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!
James 2:19 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/jas.2.19.NKJV

Even Satan believes and knows there is God and only One for that matter.
Charles Spurgeon once said: "atheism is a terrible vice. Even Satan didn't fall did it".

Don't fall did it too my brother.

Religious gods are out of the topic, we know those are made up nonsense.

We are talking about a non-religious god, the one that doesn't interfere.

Trollronaldo:
An observer traveling at a speed 0.0001m/s slower than light will feel the disappearance of the sun almost immediately that it would be considered immediately.

At what distance from the sun is this observer?

yrhuhfy113:
Next time, do your quality research before opening threads.

there are too many SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN EVIDENCES.... from WORMHOLES, TO TIME VARIATIONS, TO OUR DNA STRUCTURE, TO EVOLUTION.... etc



HERE IS ONE EVIDENCE.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuUR7v7hkOQ

Really? So that is your evidence of god? Genetic code is the evidence? What if I tell you its the Flying Spaghetti Monster that made it?

christistruth01:
Scientists Proved God Exists long ago why do the seasons always follow each other without failing

It is not just Random

How does a seed Grow into a mighty Tree

The Earth is Suspended in Mid Air who do you think is preventing the Earth from Crashing

This is how you know someone that is vastly and mightily ignorant in science. Bro, did you do geography or biology in school? I’m talking O level stuff

Workch:
I am telling you that these things are impossible, they are as impossible as putting two matter in exact same space.

Do you have evidence they are impossible

Workch:
I didn't say wormholes cannot exist, I saying that there no evidence that they do.

There's only mathematical proof, blackholes aslo had mathematical proofs before their existence had evidence.

Do you know the difference between no evidence and cannot exist?

Pray, tell us

LordReed:
At what distance from the sun is this observer?

if the position of the observer is close to the sun at that moment.

However, due to superppstioning and the fact that every matter exist as a particle and wave simultaneously, this particular observer that is traveling at 0.0001m/s less than light will be almost everywhere at the same time in the universe because of its wave functions.

jaephoenix:
This is how you know someone that is vastly and mightily ignorant in science. Bro, did you do geography or biology in school? I’m talking O level stuff

I did it at degree Level

Go and read about Photosynthesis

It could only be God ordering each step perfectly



Do you know why they moon has not yet Crashed into the Earth despite

moving round it every month?

It is God that keeps it perfectly in Place

Trollronaldo:
if the position of the observer is close to the sun at that moment.

However, due to superppstioning and the fact that every matter exist as a particle and wave simultaneously, this particular observer that is traveling at 0.0001m/s less than light will be almost everywhere at the same time in the universe because of its wave functions.

LoLz. Light doesn’t behave this way. If light was simultaneously everywhere in the universe then it wouldn't take light 8mins to traverse from the sun to the Earth and by implication we would see exactly when suns far away from us go supernova plus many other things.