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Re: The Fallacy Of Agnosticism And Deism. by LordReed(m): 12:51pm On Feb 01, 2023 |
FxMasterz: You did. You said: FxMasterz: You even declared it as a fact. Show me how you know it for a fact. |
Re: The Fallacy Of Agnosticism And Deism. by FxMasterz: 12:53pm On Feb 01, 2023 |
LordReed: Fact from logic. Please take a look at the logic I presented. And also from my subsequent discourse. You'll see why I came to that conclusion. |
Re: The Fallacy Of Agnosticism And Deism. by FxMasterz: 12:58pm On Feb 01, 2023 |
Maynman: But you'll agree that if Atheism existed first, there'll be no theism. Or at least, anyone towing that lane would be considered a big fool. That which existed with the first humans is the major thing in this discourse. I didn't talk about reading up on a supreme being or Creator of the universe. I was talking about a common element of most religions. |
Re: The Fallacy Of Agnosticism And Deism. by Maynman: 1:00pm On Feb 01, 2023 |
FxMasterz:Don’t you understand? Atheism couldn’t have existed first. Did “anti corruption” exist first? It was corruption that existed first, then one of the answers of corruption was “anti corruption”. Theism came first, then one of the answer is “A’theism”. This is simple enough for even a big fool to understand. Which most religions? Where did you get that from? Logic? We have millions of religion, mention 10 that says that. Or you mean monotheistic religion which are the most popular? Do you think the religion we have now existed during the first humans? The oldest religion is Animism. |
Re: The Fallacy Of Agnosticism And Deism. by LordReed(m): 1:33pm On Feb 01, 2023 |
FxMasterz: Logic is not fact. Facts are pieces of information that have been shown to be real or true. Logic is reasoning based on non fallacious premises and conclusions. The 2 are not the same. So basically your statements are just conjectures you are making not facts. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Fallacy Of Agnosticism And Deism. by jaephoenix(m): 4:20pm On Feb 01, 2023 |
A001:Youre as dumb as they come. How did you manage to read and write? |
Re: The Fallacy Of Agnosticism And Deism. by jaephoenix(m): 4:23pm On Feb 01, 2023 |
FxMasterz:So if whatever the ancestors were worshipping showed themselves to our ancestors, how come they have been doing hide-and-seek with us? Shyness? 2 Likes |
Re: The Fallacy Of Agnosticism And Deism. by jaephoenix(m): 4:31pm On Feb 01, 2023 |
FxMasterz:Religion came from ignorance. The first man saw the earth, lightning, water etc and decided they must be created. And they decided there has to be a higher being who they had to complain to. Thus prayers were born. No god revealed anything 1 Like |
Re: The Fallacy Of Agnosticism And Deism. by A001: 4:54pm On Feb 01, 2023 |
jaephoenix:You invited me to a silly thread, claimed I said something I didn't say, and when I asked you to quote where I said so, you replied with the same post where I challenged you to back your claim with a proof. It's obvious you're suffering from a brain disorder. This forum needs a block button. Public nuisance like you and the dolt that created this thread should blocked. |
Re: The Fallacy Of Agnosticism And Deism. by A001: 4:57pm On Feb 01, 2023 |
The fool is criticizing religion to sound smart whereas he's as dumb as (if not more dense than) the religionists he's criticizing. All of una dey the same WhatsApp group. |
Re: The Fallacy Of Agnosticism And Deism. by FxMasterz: 5:56pm On Feb 01, 2023 |
jaephoenix: That's an assumption. How come human beings speak to the supposed God in prayers and still believes He hears. You can't speak to someone you don't see except you know for sure He exists. The first humans weren't fulls. They knew exactly what they were doing. I've not written this for argument sake anyway. Just to introduce some new line of thoughts. I do not have any doubt as touching what I believe. Thanks for your input. |
Re: The Fallacy Of Agnosticism And Deism. by FxMasterz: 6:01pm On Feb 01, 2023 |
jaephoenix: They can choose to relate with us the way they please. You're the one who calls it 'hide and seek' because of your limited experience. My question to you is that, have you ever sought for God? Also, why do you think God must seek you or deliberately show Himself to you without seeking Him? |
Re: The Fallacy Of Agnosticism And Deism. by FxMasterz: 6:04pm On Feb 01, 2023 |
Maynman: Even animism might not have started with the first humans or do you have any evidence for that? But, the real question is why should Theism come first? Or, why should Theism ever exist. What's the prelude to Theism? |
Re: The Fallacy Of Agnosticism And Deism. by jaephoenix(m): 6:28pm On Feb 01, 2023 |
A001:You are severely mentally cretarded. Reread that post and explain it to yourself. How does it sound to you? Was that initial post even addressed to me? |
Re: The Fallacy Of Agnosticism And Deism. by jaephoenix(m): 6:44pm On Feb 01, 2023 |
FxMasterz:Do you know there are thousands of gods during the ages of polytheism? And these gods were spread throughout the ages, from the Scandinavians(Thor), Aztecs, Mayans, Egyptians, Greeks(Zeus) etc. Did any of those gods speak to them? No. They even sacrificed people when no god told them to. Only high priests who claim to be spokespeople of those gods give them orders that 'thus says the gods'. Thus they are foools, contrary to your views. |
Re: The Fallacy Of Agnosticism And Deism. by jaephoenix(m): 6:49pm On Feb 01, 2023 |
FxMasterz:Remember in the bible and other 'sacred books', those gods spoke directly to their subjects. Even sent them blessings and curses directly. They saw action, first hand! Now what is happening? Hearsays! And from these hearsays, pastors, imans, etc scam these gullible people, using the religion to scam them. And talking of seeking god, you think atheists haven't tried all those stuffs and came up empty? 1 Like |
Re: The Fallacy Of Agnosticism And Deism. by Maynman: 7:33pm On Feb 01, 2023 |
FxMasterz: I never said animism started with the first humans. I said it’s the oldest religion. And where is your evidence that first humans did theism? And besides what do you mean first humans? Homo sapiens — homo erectus. And also the first humans were scattered, they didn’t live together in the same community.. So how do we know if ALL The first humans worship anything? 1 Like |
Re: The Fallacy Of Agnosticism And Deism. by A001: 8:27pm On Feb 01, 2023 |
I no get time for useless back-and-forth on a silly thread. Ara e o ya |
Re: The Fallacy Of Agnosticism And Deism. by FxMasterz: 9:18pm On Feb 01, 2023 |
Maynman: Personally I don't think we can rely on science for understanding man's history. Science itself isn't perfect, that's why it continues to evolve. Anyway, thanks for your input. |
Re: The Fallacy Of Agnosticism And Deism. by Maynman: 9:20pm On Feb 01, 2023 |
FxMasterz: Science is perfect it’s scientists that are evolving, and the reason they are evolving is because once they see new facts, data and evidence they accept it and not remain Dogmatic like theists. Science is the best explanation to understanding man’s history, it deals with facts and not logic. Homo sapiens, homo erectus….etc are established FACTS. You are welcome. |
Re: The Fallacy Of Agnosticism And Deism. by FxMasterz: 9:23pm On Feb 01, 2023 |
jaephoenix: Bro, there are scammers everywhere but that doesn't mean anyone is a scammer. The problem is that scammers are many in this world. Counterfeits are always surplus but the originals are few. I understand as you said that Atheists have made their own efforts before coming to a conclusion. But, while making those efforts, whose rule did they follow? |
Re: The Fallacy Of Agnosticism And Deism. by FxMasterz: 9:29pm On Feb 01, 2023 |
Maynman: Good assertion. Indeed science is perfect, humans evolve as they discover more about science. That's true. Theists evolve too even though there are some who remain dogmatic. For instance, all the many denominations of Christianity you see today are mostly as a result of new spiritual discoveries. New groups form when the mother group becomes rigid and dogmatic. Those who have fresh encounters move away to form new groups. New groups also emerge from new groups until we arrive at where we are today. The truth is that man is the architect of his own confusions. Man is the very problem of himself. |
Re: The Fallacy Of Agnosticism And Deism. by jaephoenix(m): 9:29pm On Feb 01, 2023 |
FxMasterz:So what should we rely on? Hearsays, like the one you're proposing? |
Re: The Fallacy Of Agnosticism And Deism. by jaephoenix(m): 9:30pm On Feb 01, 2023 |
Maynman:I wish there is a HyperLike button. Seun look into this 1 Like |
Re: The Fallacy Of Agnosticism And Deism. by jaephoenix(m): 9:32pm On Feb 01, 2023 |
FxMasterz:1. So which is the correct one out of those scammers? 2. How do we know your own 'rule' is the correct one? |
Re: The Fallacy Of Agnosticism And Deism. by FxMasterz: 9:35pm On Feb 01, 2023 |
jaephoenix: Anyone relying on hearsay is a fool bro. Don't assume that people are doing what they're doing based on hearsay. Nobody wants to fool himself when it comes to these things. You should understand and accept that some people have found or seen things you never found or saw. And you see, it happens in real life. We can watch the same events, and yet we could end up seeing different things in that same event. I think coming to a conclusion that people are running their lives on hearsay is too fast. |
Re: The Fallacy Of Agnosticism And Deism. by jaephoenix(m): 9:37pm On Feb 01, 2023 |
FxMasterz:Good. So 1. What did those people find or see? 2. How do we know they are telling the truth? Please answer these 2 questions, follow-ups are on their way, when you're done answering these. Thank You |
Re: The Fallacy Of Agnosticism And Deism. by FxMasterz: 9:38pm On Feb 01, 2023 |
jaephoenix:For question 1, knowing the original of anything takes time and study. We must apply this rule to our search. For question 2, you can't follow my rules, neither can you follow yours. If you must seek God, you must seek Him according to His own rules. |
Re: The Fallacy Of Agnosticism And Deism. by Maynman: 9:39pm On Feb 01, 2023 |
FxMasterz:Christianity is just one of the types of theism out of thousands. Mention other 5 religions that are not dogmatic. And besides, The split during great schism and Protestant Denomination is on political stands and has nothing to do with “spiritual”. You should look up on the word “spiritual”. Only the ignorant man is the architect of his own confusions. When you worship deities that are foreign to you, you lose your root and create problems for yourself especially christians that worship israelite god, yahweh. |
Re: The Fallacy Of Agnosticism And Deism. by FxMasterz: 9:40pm On Feb 01, 2023 |
jaephoenix:1. They found what you didn't find. 2. To know whether they're lying or not, experiment on their systems and see where it leads. |
Re: The Fallacy Of Agnosticism And Deism. by jaephoenix(m): 9:40pm On Feb 01, 2023 |
FxMasterz:This is fast turning into a circular argument, which is my problem with theists. What god rules are you talking about, AND HOW DO WE KNOW ITS FROM GOD? |
Re: The Fallacy Of Agnosticism And Deism. by jaephoenix(m): 9:42pm On Feb 01, 2023 |
FxMasterz:Bro, it looks like you like repeating yourself. I don't like repeating myself. Please answer my question and stop this echolalic statements |
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