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sonmvayina:
You did not back your opinions with scriptures from the Tanakh, please do, so I can get a better perspective on what you saying....

Thank you..

Opinions? I say make you ask your Rabbis questions about their supposed beliefs, you dey ask me for scripture. No be the same Law of Moses dem dey follow? Abi dem tell you say God don give them another Law to replace that?

sonmvayina:
Whose idea is that ?

Whose idea is that people of all nations should obey the constitution God gave the nation He established through Moses?

MaxInDHouse:
Whose idea is that people of all nations should obey the constitution God gave the nation He established through Moses?

Have I ever advocated that..

It is you that is forming "I too know".

I follow my odinani/omanani, I am ok with that.

But jesus has got nothing to do with the God of the Jews?

So where does that leave you?

Kobojunkie:
Opinions? I say make you ask your Rabbis questions about their supposed beliefs, you dey ask me for scripture. No be the same Law of Moses dem dey follow? Abi dem tell you say God don give them another Law to replace that?

Stop deflating..

Where did you get the idea you put up earlier...

Where did you get the idea of not being able to be redeemed by the law..



Let's deal with that first..

sonmvayina:
Where Did the God of Moses, Isaac and Jacob said he was sending his son as a new convenant to the nations?..
Maaalu

sonmvayina:
Have I ever advocated that..

It is you that is forming "I too know".

I follow my odinani/omanani, I am ok with that.

But jesus has got nothing to do with the God of the Jews?

So where does that leave you?

It's now obvious that you're a perpetual liar!
Because you always complain about the Torah and Tanakh yet are you now saying this?

By the way is it true that you're also a social media beggar begging people for money on Nairaland?

Rekhina:
somayvina used to beg leiylau for money in her email.
Leiylau told me

sonmvayina:
This is you bah...
Your just a worthless pile of shit..
You should thank God for internet, because that's the only way low life like you can talk to their grandparents under anonymity...
Don't mention me again before Amadioha strikes you dead..

I'm just curious because instead of you to deny it you started cursing this person in the name of your demons!

sonmvayina:
Stop deflating.. Where did you get the idea you put up earlier... Where did you get the idea of not being able to be redeemed by the law..Let's deal with that first..

Read what God says right there in the Law of Moses. He said He would curse and and scatter His Israel to all the ends of the earth, in similar fashion as He did Adam and Eve. What God did not say is that by obeying the same God that the people could eventually rid themselves of the curse which He placed on them and be able to return to Him. So, if they currently assume that they can remove that curse by simply going back to obeying the Law or Moses then they don't know the God who they claim to serve. ( there is no provision made in the Law of Moses as far as removal or curses placed on one by God).

Kobojunkie:
Read what God says right there in the Law of Moses. He said He would curse and and scatter His Israel to all the ends of the earth, in similar fashion as He did Adam and Eve. What God did not say is that by obeying the same God that the people could eventually rid themselves of the curse which He placed on them and be able to return to Him. So, if they currently assume that they can remove that curse by simply going back to obeying the Law or Moses then they don't know the God who they claim to serve. ( there is no provision made in the Law of Moses as far as removal or curses placed on one by God).

Read the whole of Deuteronomy 28...

Then come back and we will have a better discussion....

All the answers you seek are all there..

MaxInDHouse:
It's now obvious that you're a perpetual liar!
Because you always complain about the Torah and Tanakh yet are you now saying this?

By the way is it true that you're also a social media beggar begging people for money on Nairaland?





I'm just curious because instead of you to deny it you started cursing this person in the name of your demons!

Lol.. Maxindhouse...learn to ask questions so you can get a proper understanding.

I said it is about God's laws that he gave to mankind. ...

The Jews wrote it down and called it the Torah

The Igbos as well as some other tribes in Africa passed it on from father to so to grandson orally.
It is the basis of the Igbo omenani/odinani.

But the jesus of the Christian has got nothing to do with the creator of heaven and earth. He was created by the Roman church as a weapon of control..and you foolishly fell for the scam.

sonmvayina:
■ Read the whole of Deuteronomy 28... Then come back and we will have a better discussion....
All the answers you seek are all there..

1. Point to the exact part of Deuteronomy 28 which tells you that by following God's Law you can lift God's judgment and curse off one. Be specific abeg!

38 “Your fields will produce plenty of grain. But your harvest will be small, because the locusts will eat your harvest.
39 You will plant vineyards and work hard in them. But you will not gather the grapes or drink the wine from them, because the worms will eat them.
40 You will have olive trees everywhere on your land. But you will not have any of the oil to use, because the olives will drop to the ground and rot.
41 You will have sons and daughters. But you will not be able to keep them, because they will be captured and taken away.
42 Locusts will destroy all your trees and the crops in your fields.
43 The foreigners living among you will get more and more power, and you will lose the power you had.
44 The foreigners will have money to loan you, but you will not have any money to loan them. They will control you the way the head controls the body. You will be like the tail.
45 “All these curses will come on you. They will keep chasing you and catching you, until you are destroyed because you did not listen to what the Lord your God told you. You did not obey the commands and laws that he gave you.
46 These curses will show people that God judged you and your descendants forever. People will be amazed at the terrible things that happen to you.
47 “The Lord your God gave you many blessings. But you did not serve him with joy and a glad heart.
48 So you will serve the enemies the Lord will send against you. You will be hungry, thirsty, naked, and poor. He will put a load on you that cannot be removed. You will carry that load until he destroys you. - Deuteronomy 28 vs 38 - 48

You do realize that you cast God a liar by pretending that His judgment against His Israel - Deuteronomy 30 vs 1 - 6 - can be reversed by merely following the Law when God Himself never said it was possible that way.

Anyways, run along and go ask your scholars the questions I have asked. Or better yet, invite them to come to Nairaland so I can ask them directly.

Kobojunkie:
1. Point to the exact part of Deuteronomy 28 which tells you that by following God's Law you can lift God's judgment and curse off one. Be specific abeg!
You do realize that you cast God a liar by pretending that His judgment against His Israel - Deuteronomy 30 vs 1 - 6 - can be reversed by merely following the Law when God Himself never said it was possible that way.

Anyways, run along and go ask your scholars the questions I have asked. Or better yet, invite them to come to Nairaland so I can ask them directly.

Why did you start from verse 38?

What did they do to merit the curse?

sonmvayina:
Why did you start from verse 38?

Please direct my questions at your scholars and let's get somewhere abeg!

sonmvayina:
Lol.. Maxindhouse...learn to ask questions so you can get a proper understanding.

I said it is about God's laws that he gave to mankind. ...

The Jews wrote it down and called it the Torah

The Igbos as well as some other tribes in Africa passed it on from father to so to grandson orally.
It is the basis of the Igbo omenani/odinani.

But the jesus of the Christian has got nothing to do with the creator of heaven and earth. He was created by the Roman church as a weapon of control..and you foolishly fell for the scam.

Please leave this story aside because it will never end oya answer the question:

Is it true that you've been begging people for money on Nairaland?

Rekhina:
somayvina used to beg leiylau for money in her email.
Leiylau told me

Because instead of refuting it you started cursing this person in the name of your demons!

sonmvayina:
This is you bah...
Your just a worthless pile of shit..
You should thank God for internet, because that's the only way low life like you can talk to their grandparents under anonymity...
Don't mention me again before Amadioha strikes you dead..

sonmvayina:
■ Kingly line through Solomon Forever 1 Chron 22:9-10 " 1 Chron 28:4-7 "
■ Kingly line only through the sons Forever, 2Ch 13:5 , Jer 23:5 , Jer 33:15 , Psa 89:35-38 Jer 22:28 , Jer 36:30
■ Messiah must be a direct descendant from David and Solomon through his human biological father. J-s didn't qualify, he had a virgin birth. Even if he didn't have a virgin birth, the genealogy in Matthew 1 goes through Jeconiah, whose line was disqualified from kingship as part of Elohim's curse (Jeremiah 22:30,36:30) and in Luke 3 the genealogy doesn't go through Solomon as required but his brother Nathan (II Samuel 7:12-14, I Chronicles 17:11-14, 22:9-10, 28:4-6). J-s is most definitely not the Jewish Messiah.

God never in fact said that the Messiah would only come via Solomon.

8 “You must say this to my servant David: ‘This is what the Lord All-Powerful says: I chose you while you were out in the pasture following the sheep. I took you from that job and made you the leader of my people, the Israelites.
9 I have been with you every place you went. I have defeated your enemies for you. I will make you one of the most famous people on earth. 10-11 And I chose a place for my people, the Israelites. I planted the Israelites. I gave them their own place to live so that they will not have to move from place to place anymore. In the past, I sent judges to lead my people, but evil people gave them many troubles. That will not happen now. I am giving you peace from all of your enemies. I promise that I will make your family a family of kings.
12 “‘When your life is finished, you will die and be buried with your ancestors. But then I will make one of your own children become the king.
13 He will build a house for my name, and I will make his kingdom strong forever.
14 I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he sins, I will use other people to punish him. They will be my whips.
15 But I will never stop loving him. I will continue to be loyal to him. I took away my love and kindness from Saul. I pushed Saul away when I turned to you.
16 Your family of kings will continue—you can depend on that! For you, your kingdom will continue forever! Your throne will stand forever!’” - 2 Samuel 7 vs 8 - 16

Solomon, the next on the throne of David, however, did not keep the agreement that God made with David, and as a result, God punished him by using other people as He, God, said He would. God visited the descendants of Solomon with the consequences for his breaking the agreement God made with Him.

1. King Solomon loved many foreign women, including the daughter of Pharaoh and women from Moab, Ammon, Edom, Sidon, and the Hittites.
2. In the past the Lord had said to the Israelites, “You must not marry people from other nations. If you do, they will cause you to follow their gods.” But Solomon fell in love with these women.
3. He had 700 wives who were the daughters of leaders from other nations. He also had 300 slave women who were like wives to him. His wives caused him to turn away from God.
4. When Solomon was old, his wives caused him to follow other gods, so he did not follow the Lord completely as his father David did.
5. Solomon worshiped Ashtoreth, the goddess of Sidon, and Milcom, the horrible god of the Ammonites.
6. So Solomon did what the Lord said was wrong. He did not follow the Lord completely as his father David did.
7. On the mountain next to Jerusalem, Solomon built a place for worshiping Chemosh, that horrible idol of the Moabites. On the same mountain, Solomon built a place for worshiping Molech, that horrible idol of the Ammonites.
8. Solomon did the same thing for all of his other foreign wives who burned incense and gave sacrifices to their gods.
9. So Solomon did not remain faithful to the Lord, the God of Israel, even though God had appeared to him twice. The Lord became angry with him.
10. He had told Solomon that he must not follow other gods, but Solomon did not obey the Lord’s command.
11. So the Lord said to Solomon, “You have chosen to break your agreement with me. You have not obeyed my commands. So I promise that I will tear your kingdom away from you and give it to one of your servants.
12. But I loved your father David, so I will not take your kingdom away from you while you are alive. I will wait until your son becomes king. Then I will take it from him.
13. Still, I will not tear away all the kingdom from your son. I will leave him one tribe to rule. I will do this for my servant David and for Jerusalem, the city I chose.” - 1 King 11 vs 1-13

After Solomon's death, the throne of David became diminished. His descendants continued to serve as kings but not over the same throne that was occupied by David — all the tribes of Israel — but over the tribe Benjamin which was left.

5 This message is from the Lord: “The time is coming, when I will raise up a good ‘branch’ from David’s family. He will be a king who will rule in a wise way. He will do what is fair and right in the land.
6 When he rules, Judah will be saved, and Israel will live in safety. This will be his name: The Lord Makes Things Right for Us. - Jeremiah 23 vs 5 - 6

2. Neither did God suggest that it would only come through sons as you claim. None of the passages you quoted from allude to any of what you claim https://www.nairaland.com/7110397/gospel-minddump/3#120724375

Kobojunkie:
God never in fact said that the Messiah would only come via Solomon. Solomon, the next on the throne of David, however, did not keep the agreement that God made with David, and as a result, God punished him by using other people as He, God, said He would. God visited the descendants of Solomon with the consequences for his breaking the agreement God made with Him.
After Solomon's death, the throne of David became diminished. His descendants continued to serve as kings but not over the same throne that was occupied by David — all the tribes of Israel — but over the tribe Benjamin which was left.

2. Neither did God suggest that it would only come through sons as you claim. None of the passages you quoted from allude to any of what you claim https://www.nairaland.com/7110397/gospel-minddump/3#120724375

Are you suggesting that a woman can be the Messiah?

If so give me an instance in their history...

MaxInDHouse:
Please leave this story aside because it will never end oya answer the question:

Is it true that you've been begging people for money on Nairaland?



Because instead of refuting it you started cursing this person in the name of your demons!

Even if they tell you in your dreams will you believe it?

Even if I know you have the talent for believing lies...

sonmvayina:
Even if they tell you in your dreams will you believe it? Even if I know you have the talent for believing lies...

So who is lying between you and Rekhina?

Sebi you too also believe whatever they're saying about JWs so why should i not believe her?

Ọmọ if truly you're not a beggar all you need to do is simply refute it not cursing Rekhina in the name of your dead gods, your reaction spoke in volumes!

sonmvayina:
■Are you suggesting that a woman can be the Messiah?

If so give me an instance in their history...

1. No. God was specific about the messiah being a son from the line of David. Only He was not specific that it had to come through any particular Son and God did not specify that it could not come from a female in the line.

Kobojunkie:
Please direct my questions at your scholars and let's get somewhere abeg!

You did not ask any question..

I asked you to read the whole of Deuteronomy 28, you started from verse 38, why?

How are you going to understand anything with that attitude?

God gave them laws to keep to set them apart from other nations. He said if they keep it he would bless and prosper them and if they fail he would punish them...

And when they do fail, which they did..all they had to do was confess and forsake their sins, if they are humble enough...he would forgive their sins and heal their land....2nd chronicles 7:14...
He promised to send them a Messiah (anointed king) that would save them from their enemies and restore peace. They longed for such a person. The Romans /Greeks capitalised on the idea and created the jesus character. When the Jews asked why there is still no peace, the Christian answered that Jesus will come again to fulfill the promises. Just how dumb is that....and there is just no where God said the Messiah will come twice or that he would be divine....so you see where the problem is coming from? If you don't want to accept the fact that Jesus is not the jesus Messiah , that's fine..but don't try to super impose him onto the Tanakh. He is not there at all...

There Was never any time God said he would send his son (sic) as a sin sacrifice?

Kobojunkie:
1. No. God was specific about the messiah being a son from the line of David. Only He was not specific that it had to come through any particular Son and God did not specify that it could not come from a female in the line.

What has you been reading...?

Common kobojunkie..don't draw us back

It went through Solomon...

MaxInDHouse:
So who is lying between you and Rekhina?

Sebi you too also believe whatever they're saying about JWs so why should i not believe her?

Ọmọ if truly you're not a beggar all you need to do is simply refute it not cursing Rekhina in the name of your dead gods, your reaction spoke in volumes!

I don't even know her..

We have never ever talked outside of this form.

It is people that ask me for help, I have never asked any one here....

sonmvayina:
You did not ask any question..

I asked you to read the whole of Deuteronomy 28, you started from verse 38, why?

How are you going to understand anything with that attitude?

God gave them laws to keep to set them apart from other nations. He said if they keep it he would bless and prosper them and if they fail he would punish them...

And when they do fail, which they did..all they had to do was confess and forsake their sins, if they are humble enough...he would forgive their sins and heal their land....2nd chronicles 7:14...
He promised to send them a Messiah (anointed king) that would save them from their enemies and restore peace. They longed for such a person. The Romans /Greeks capitalised on the idea and created the jesus character. When the Jews asked why there is still no peace, the Christian answered that Jesus will come again to fulfill the promises. Just how dumb is that....and there is just no where God said the Messiah will come twice or that he would be divine....so you see where the problem is coming from? If you don't want to accept the fact that Jesus is not the jesus Messiah , that's fine..but don't try to super impose him onto the Tanakh. He is not there at all...

There Was never any time God said he would send his son (sic) as a sin sacrifice?

Enough! Present my questions as is before your scholars and let them answer accordingly.

sonmvayina:
What has you been reading...?

Common kobojunkie..don't draw us back

It went through Solomon...

I already explained before to you that I have absolutely no interest in discussing anything with you, a minion, but the scholars who you claim feed you what you spew on here.

sonmvayina:
I don't even know her..
We have never ever talked outside of this form.
It is people that ask me for help, I have never asked any one here....

Are you saying you're never sent an email to Leiylau?

Sonmvayina, i'm waiting for you o!

It's better you run away and never quote me on this forum again if you're not ready for this because i will always bring this case of Leiylau and Rekhina to your face.

You idiot!

MaxInDHouse:
Are you saying you're never sent an email to Leiylau?

Kobojunkie:
1. No. [b]God was specific about the messiah being a son from the line of David. [/b]Only He was not specific that it had to come through any particular Son and God did not specify that it could not come from a female in the line.

According to the bible Mary conceived Jesus christ through the holy Spirit, so is the Holy Ghost a descendant of David?

MaxInDHouse:
So who is lying between you and Rekhina?

Sebi you too also believe whatever they're saying about JWs so why should i not believe her?

Ọmọ if truly you're not a beggar all you need to do is simply refute it not cursing Rekhina in the name of your dead gods, your reaction spoke in volumes!

I hate christians pls avoid me

mysticwarrior:
According to the bible Mary conceived Jesus christ through the holy Spirit, so is the Holy Ghost a descendant of David?

The question you ought to ask instead is whether Mary was herself a descendant of David this since, as shown, God never decreed that the Messiah could only come from Male members of the line.

Jesus Christ didn't have an earthly father means the one who was descended from David in the picture had to be Mary.

Kobojunkie:
The question you ought to ask instead is whether Mary was herself was a descendant of David this since, as shown, God never decreed that the Messiah could only come from Male members of the line.

Jesus Christ didn't have an earthly father means the one who was descended from David in the picture had to be Mary.

impressive but am not convinced.

mysticwarrior:
impressive but am not convinced.

It isn't my job to convince but to tell it as written in scripture. You decide whether you will trust that attributed to God or not of your own.

Kobojunkie:
It isn't my job to convince but to tell it as written in scripture. You decide whether you will trust that attributed to God or not of your own.

it is your duty to convince me, tell me how was Mary conceived by the Holy Ghost, was the Holy ghost in human form when it happened?

mysticwarrior:
it is your duty to convince me, tell me how was Mary conceived by the Holy Ghost, was the Holy ghost in human form when it happened?

You and I read the same book, right? What does the book say?

When God created Adam, and then Eve, from mere clay did He need to be in human form to causis that to happen? Why would the same require a change in form to cause a pregnancy or even pimple, in one of the creatures He created of ordinary clay?

Kobojunkie:
You and I read the same book, right? What does the book say?

you are kobojunkie and you obviously seems to have deep understanding in unexplainable biblical occurrences, so am on the right track asking you to demystify me, please I would really appreciate it if you could kindly asnwer my question.