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Re: Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL by TenQ(op): 11:52am On Feb 19, 2023
LegalWolf:
LOL! Potential thief!!! grin grin grin


By your logic, who is your witness that you ALMOST recited the Shahada? At least, I am not asking you who moses witness was when 'yhwh' purpotedly revealed himself to him (something over three thousand years ago) but you that we are contemporaries. Tell us your witness, potential thief!

(all underlines mine)

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Dum dum!
Feigning reboot!
LOL!
Re: Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL by TenQ(op): 11:53am On Feb 19, 2023
LegalWolf:
Hey TenQ

When are you forging a new topic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!? Stand up and stop being a lazy ass grin grin grin grin grin grin

Lol! Future thief TenQ
Is Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL ?
Re: Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL by TenQ(op): 11:53am On Feb 19, 2023
LegalWolf:
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Is Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL ?
Re: Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL by LegalWolf: 12:03pm On Feb 19, 2023
TenQ:
Is Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL ?
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Re: Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL by LegalWolf: 12:04pm On Feb 19, 2023
TenQ:
Is Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL ?
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Re: Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL by LegalWolf: 12:04pm On Feb 19, 2023
TenQ:
Dum dum!
Feigning reboot!
LOL!
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Re: Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL by drlateef: 12:23pm On Feb 19, 2023
TenQ:
If people were with Mohammed when this happened, does he need to narrate it to them?




No sir!
Allah doesn't need to boast about miracles. It is Mohammed who as a human being may need to boast. But Allah was responding to Questions the disbelievers were asking Mohammed.

They say:
"Mohammed, we are NOT seeing you do any MIRACLES Luke the prophets of old. Show us a sign?"

Allah came to defend Mohammed:
"Mohammed is just a Warner, not a miracle worker"!

If Mohammed did miracles, how is it that the Disbelievers and the Companions never saw him perform any?

All the miracles attributed to Mohammed was several years after his death in violation of the plain word of Allah.


I asked you a question



Let me ask you a question:
Has Mohammed ever said a testimony or event which turned out to be completely UNTRUE?
Talking loads of rubbish!!! Bye
Re: Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL by TenQ(op): 12:38pm On Feb 19, 2023
drlateef:
Talking loads of rubbish!!! Bye
Let me ask you a question:
Has Mohammed ever said a testimony or event which turned out to be completely UNTRUE?
Re: Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL by TenQ(op): 1:06pm On Feb 19, 2023
LegalWolf:
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LegalWolf:
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Dumdum !
Re: Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL by LegalWolf: 1:18pm On Feb 19, 2023
TenQ:
Dumdum !
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Re: Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL by LegalWolf: 1:19pm On Feb 19, 2023
drlateef:
Talking loads of rubbish!!! Bye
Salaam Akhi,

Is this your first time, with him?

Cc: potential thief TenQ 🤣🤣🤣
Re: Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL by advocatejare(m): 1:43pm On Feb 19, 2023
TenQ:
Page ONE:



When a Philosophy or a Religion is based on lies, it is easy to discover them through asking questions. Usually in the Court of Law, to unravel if a position is speaking the truth or not, several questions are asked in order to see if there's contradiction or illogicalities or lack of evidence in their presentations.

This post is based on my last interaction with my very own person on NL where he made an assertion that prophet Mohammed will intercede for Muslims (w.r.t. Entering Paradise)

https://www.nairaland.com/post/120978237

I asked him the question:
And you honestly think that this is not FABRICATED as usual?

USUALLY, I present my Thesis before asking Questions, however, not to be a bore to non Muslims I will push the Thesis to the second page.


THE QUESTIONS:
1. If according to Islam, every prophet is in their graves PRAYING, how did Mohammed MEET them and converse with them in the seven heavens?
2. If Mohammed will be the FIRST to be Resurrected, was the narrative of the Journey to heaven REAL or FICTIONAL?
(Is the Buraq Real or Not and is Jubril real or not?)
3. Who built the Masjid al-Aqsa in Jerusalem?
In the time of Mohammed, there was no single Mosque in Jerusalem (In fact historically, Jerusalem was baren and desolate at this time as the Romans sacked and dispersed them). Secondly, the Romans had pulled down the Temple of Solomon to its foundation, so it didn't exist again.
4. Who witnessed the Isra Miraj apart from Mohammed? Who else can serve as a WITNESS to this Night Journey of Mohammed?


References in the page 2 below:



LegalWolf Vanessa7 AntiChristian Empiree, Rash4ductluv, BabaHeekmat, Haekymbahd, motayoayinde, drlateef, Thatfairguy1, MrCodeSolo , Hisbah21, thatsleepboy1 , Lordmoh , OBALOLA55, x123xlolls , Lukuluku69 , mhmsadyq, Ibsaq , Herkeym001 , Sulasa07 , hakeemhakeem , abduljabbar4 ,olaalekan ,Friend22 , uthlaw , Exc2000 , AbuTwins ,Akhirastriver ,Akinbahm , Sino , KayB , youngdroly , jaggabban , ukeleh , Realismailakabir , Bami8064 Greatgr , Gaskiyamagana Compton11 , Alfarouq , MrCodeSolo Satmaniac saintHot, drlateef, Donkmore
This is a one billion dollar question, unfortunately none of the people you mentioned can answer you. They are programmed to cram and never to understand anything about their religion.

Conversing with them is like beating a dead horse!
Re: Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL by TenQ(op): 2:01pm On Feb 19, 2023
advocatejare:
This is a one billion dollar question, unfortunately none of the people you mentioned can answer you. They are programmed to cram and never to understand anything about their religion.

Conversing with them is like beating a dead horse!
Of course, we all know that the Islamic dogma is simple.

They say:
Don't confuse me with the Truth because I've already made up my mind
Re: Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL by drlateef: 8:13pm On Feb 19, 2023
LegalWolf:
Salaam Akhi,

Is this your first time, with him?

Cc: potential thief TenQ 🤣🤣🤣
Waa alaikumu Salam. Yes indeed!!! He thinks like a psycho. 😂😂😂
Re: Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL by TenQ(op): 10:18pm On Feb 19, 2023
drlateef:
Waa alaikumu Salam. Yes indeed!!! He thinks like a psycho. 😂😂😂
Really!?
Come on my friend, it's not as bad as that. I was only asking questions.

My last question to you was
Has Mohammed ever said a testimony or event which turned out to be completely UNTRUE?

Reason
If there was no corroborating evidence other than Mohammed's testimony, can he be trusted with respect to the journey to the seven Heavens?:

How is this a psycho question?
Re: Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL by LegalWolf: 10:33pm On Feb 19, 2023
drlateef:
Waa alaikumu Salam. Yes indeed!!! He thinks like a psycho. 😂😂😂
Walahi he is even worse.

The day I wrote him off completely was when I was trying to translate a Quranic verse to him (as literal as I could). He said something along the line of he cannot hire me as a lawyer because it will be straight loss. So apparently, he isn’t even remotely concerned with the truth. Just hogwash!

Just enjoy yourself brother and have a good night rest. Ma salaam!


Cc: potential thief TenQ
Re: Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL by LegalWolf: 10:34pm On Feb 19, 2023
Potential and Future thief TenQ

When next are you forging a topic 😜😜😜😜😜😜😜
Re: Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL by drlateef: 1:49am On Feb 20, 2023
LegalWolf:
Walahi he is even worse.

The day I wrote him off completely was when I was trying to translate a Quranic verse to him (as literal as I could). He said something along the line of he cannot hire me as a lawyer because it will be straight loss. So apparently, he isn’t even remotely concerned with the truth. Just hogwash!

Just enjoy yourself brother and have a good night rest. Ma salaam!


Cc: potential thief TenQ
Waa alaikumu Salam. Yes he called me a native doctor😂😂😂. Jazakalahu khaira
Re: Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL by drlateef: 1:55am On Feb 20, 2023
TenQ:
Really!?
Come on my friend, it's not as bad as that. I was only asking questions.

My last question to you was
Has Mohammed ever said a testimony or event which turned out to be completely UNTRUE?

Reason
If there was no corroborating evidence other than Mohammed's testimony, can he be trusted with respect to the journey to the seven Heavens?:

How is this a psycho question?
You are troubled soul. Most of what happened is his life were witnessed. Of what use is being a messenger when his life cannot be witnessed? If there’s any living human being whose life and death has been written in greatest detail, it is Muhammad SAW. The Hadith book of Buhari is in 10 volumes, each volume is a large book. And its all about the life of the prophet. And i am sure, not everything about his life would have been captured by people around. These things include his intimate relationship with wives as related by his wives and close relatives. No Prophet of Allah has been so studied. And the reason is because he is the last and greatest of them. And his message is for the whole world.
Re: Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL by TenQ(op): 6:07am On Feb 20, 2023
drlateef:
You are troubled soul. Most of what happened is his life were witnessed. Of what use is being a messenger when his life cannot be witnessed? If there’s any living human being whose life and death has been written in greatest detail, it is Muhammad SAW. The Hadith book of Buhari is in 10 volumes, each volume is a large book. And its all about the life of the prophet. And i am sure, not everything about his life would have been captured by people around. These things include his intimate relationship with wives as related by his wives and close relatives. No Prophet of Allah has been so studied. And the reason is because he is the last and greatest of them. And his message is for the whole world.
Of course I understand that Mohammed has several hadiths in volumes by Muslim, Buhari, AbuDabi, etc. Surely, one of the thousands of hadiths should report the EVIDENCE of eye witness that Mohammed went to the seven Heavens.

1. I therefore implore you to give me just one eye witness evidence that Mohammed went to the seven Heavens?

Secondly , if there is no witness, can we completely trust Mohammed's report? Hence the question
2. Has Mohammed ever said a testimony or event which turned out to be completely UNTRUE?

Reason
If there was no corroborating evidence other than Mohammed's testimony, can he be trusted with respect to the journey to the seven Heavens?:
Re: Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL by drlateef: 10:53am On Feb 20, 2023
TenQ:
Of course I understand that Mohammed has several hadiths in volumes by Muslim, Buhari, AbuDabi, etc. Surely, one of the thousands of hadiths should report the EVIDENCE of eye witness that Mohammed went to the seven Heavens.

1. I therefore implore you to give me just one eye witness evidence that Mohammed went to the seven Heavens?

Secondly , if there is no witness, can we completely trust Mohammed's report? Hence the question
2. Has Mohammed ever said a testimony or event which turned out to be completely UNTRUE?

Reason
If there was no corroborating evidence other than Mohammed's testimony, can he be trusted with respect to the journey to the seven Heavens?:
Did you read my earlier statement? Did I not tell you what he saw on his journey and because he was transported faster he arrived before the caravan which he saw on his journey? And everybody saw the caravan when it arrived. Is that not a witness that he did travel? And the rest of the journey is only fir him, not for everyone to witness. And Allah confirmed that he did travel to Allah in Quran. Muhammad SAW was not known to tell lies. Don’t you know that?
Re: Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL by jaephoenix(m): 1:00pm On Feb 20, 2023
TenQ:
You are made from inorganic dumb atoms that chemically reacted together isn't it.

Where did the "programming" that gave you CONSCIOUSNESS and INTELLIGENCE come from?

At least from the periodic table of elements and the laws of chemistry and physics, there is NOTHING that predict these attributes of yours.

Thank you
Okay, so who specifically did the programming, sir?
Re: Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL by TenQ(op): 1:12pm On Feb 20, 2023
jaephoenix:
Okay, so who specifically did the programming, sir?
The immaterial uncreated "SOURCE" of life is he who did the programming.
Re: Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL by LegalWolf: 1:36pm On Feb 20, 2023
TenQ oooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As a future thief, when are you going to forge a topic on Nairaland?

cc: Potential thief TenQ grin grin grin
Re: Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL by TenQ(op): 3:09pm On Feb 20, 2023
drlateef:
Did you read my earlier statement? Did I not tell you what he saw on his journey and because he was transported faster he arrived before the caravan which he saw on his journey? And everybody saw the caravan when it arrived. Is that not a witness that he did travel? And the rest of the journey is only fir him, not for everyone to witness. And Allah confirmed that he did travel to Allah in Quran. Muhammad SAW was not known to tell lies. Don’t you know that?
Hello Sir
1. What if I can present hadith that show that Mohammed told a tale which were completely UNTRUE: would it be a sufficient proof that not everything he says can be trusted?


2. There was no caravan sir as Mohammed went ALONE on one of the animals of heaven called Buraq . No one saw Buraq! No one even knew that Mohammed went to heaven because it was in the NIGHT!

If you think people saw Mohammed, please present the Hadiths.

1. I therefore implore you to give me just one eye witness evidence that Mohammed went to the seven Heavens?

Secondly , if there is no witness, can we completely trust Mohammed's report? Hence the question
2. Has Mohammed ever said a testimony or event which turned out to be completely UNTRUE?

Reason
If there was no corroborating evidence other than Mohammed's testimony, can he be trusted with respect to the journey to the seven Heavens?:
Re: Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL by drlateef: 3:37pm On Feb 20, 2023
TenQ:
Hello Sir
1. What if I can present hadith that show that Mohammed told a tale which were completely UNTRUE: would it be a sufficient proof that not everything he says can be trusted?


2. There was no caravan sir as Mohammed went ALONE on one of the animals of heaven called Buraq . No one saw Buraq! No one even knew that Mohammed went to heaven because it was in the NIGHT!

If you think people saw Mohammed, please present the Hadiths.

1. I therefore implore you to give me just one eye witness evidence that Mohammed went to the seven Heavens?

Secondly , if there is no witness, can we completely trust Mohammed's report? Hence the question
2. Has Mohammed ever said a testimony or event which turned out to be completely UNTRUE?

Reason
If there was no corroborating evidence other than Mohammed's testimony, can he be trusted with respect to the journey to the seven Heavens?:
Your response shows you don’t know the true story of Israh wal miraaj.
Re: Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL by TenQ(op): 4:27pm On Feb 20, 2023
drlateef:
Your response shows you don’t know the true story of Israh wal miraaj.
Here is what you say I don't know the true story

Summary:
Mohammed while ALIVE was taken by Jubril to Paradise and the seven Heavens in a night Journey . Isra Miraj is one of the most notable events in the religious history of Islam. I won't want to bore you with the ELABORATE IMAGINATIVE story .

1. Mohammed was taken by Jubril on one of the animals of heaven called
Buraq to “the farthest mosque” Masjid al-Aqsa, in Jerusalem. The Buraq is one of the animals of paradise and is described as “a white creature that is larger than a donkey but smaller than a mule, who would place its hoof (step) a distance equal to the range of his vision." (Sahih Al-Bukhari)
2. After this Mohammed was taken to the seven Heavens where he met (at different tares) the old prophets starting with Adam and then John the Baptist with Jesus and then Joseph, Aaron, Moses and Abraham (in the seventh heaven).
3. Then Mohammed was permitted to go above the seventh heaven . When he finally reached the highest level in the heavens, he was brought into the Divine Presence of the Almighty Allah s.w.t, alone at Sidratul Muntaha (a boundary beyond which none may pass). It is said to be the boundary that has never been passed by anyone except by Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. Here, Rasulullah s.a.w. was given the Divine Decree for the believers to establish 50 daily prayers......and later reduced to 5 after he had consulted several times with Moses



Even though this is a summary, what did I leave out?
Is any of my summary false?
Re: Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL by drlateef: 4:36pm On Feb 20, 2023
TenQ:
Here is what you say I don't know the true story

Summary:
Mohammed while ALIVE was taken by Jubril to Paradise and the seven Heavens in a night Journey . Isra Miraj is one of the most notable events in the religious history of Islam. I won't want to bore you with the ELABORATE IMAGINATIVE story .

1. Mohammed was taken by Jubril on one of the animals of heaven called
Buraq to “the farthest mosque” Masjid al-Aqsa, in Jerusalem. The Buraq is one of the animals of paradise and is described as “a white creature that is larger than a donkey but smaller than a mule, who would place its hoof (step) a distance equal to the range of his vision." (Sahih Al-Bukhari)
2. After this Mohammed was taken to the seven Heavens where he met (at different tares) the old prophets starting with Adam and then John the Baptist with Jesus and then Joseph, Aaron, Moses and Abraham (in the seventh heaven).
3. Then Mohammed was permitted to go above the seventh heaven . When he finally reached the highest level in the heavens, he was brought into the Divine Presence of the Almighty Allah s.w.t, alone at Sidratul Muntaha (a boundary beyond which none may pass). It is said to be the boundary that has never been passed by anyone except by Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. Here, Rasulullah s.a.w. was given the Divine Decree for the believers to establish 50 daily prayers......and later reduced to 5 after he had consulted several times with Moses



Even though this is a summary, what did I leave out?
Is any of my summary false?
He led other prophets in prayers at Masjid Al Aqsa, he was present honey and milk by Angel Jubril and asked to choose one. He chose honey which has effects on his ummah. When he was coming back, on his way he saw caravan coming to Makka and he described the caravan. Soon after that the caravan arrived as describes and people witnessed his statements and confirmed the arrival of the caravan as described. Go and read details if you truly want to know the truth.
Re: Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL by TenQ(op): 5:38pm On Feb 20, 2023
drlateef:
He led other prophets in prayers at Masjid Al Aqsa, he was present honey and milk by Angel Jubril and asked to choose one. He chose honey which has effects on his ummah. When he was coming back, on his way he saw caravan coming to Makka and he described the caravan. Soon after that the caravan arrived as describes and people witnessed his statements and confirmed the arrival of the caravan as described. Go and read details if you truly want to know the truth.
Thank you for the update. As said, the one I wrote was a summary. However, you have tried. Till another time bro!


Can you help me with the hadith that spoke about the caravan. I can't seem to find any that conclusively said that the caravan arrived arrived as described by Mohammed.

Thank you
Re: Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL by jaephoenix(m): 11:18pm On Feb 20, 2023
TenQ:
The immaterial uncreated "SOURCE" of life is he who did the programming.
And s/he doesn't have a name?
Re: Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL by TenQ(op): 11:20pm On Feb 20, 2023
jaephoenix:
And s/he doesn't have a name?
It's okay if you know Him as the uncreated "SOURCE" of life

He is not English or Igbo nor Fulani, etc!
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