I am still wondering whether amputation is a disease. I have not come across any disease called amputation but i know that it is disease that can lead to amputation. Those in the medicals can correct me where i am wrong in the above statement.

We know that God heals sicknesses and diseases as recorded in the scripture. In this case God can heal that disease that leads to amputation. Where someone is not healed and his case gets to the level of amputation that does not mean that there are not others that God has healed out there.

A good number of us have witnessed miraculous healing in our lives. God heals in various ways. He could heal miraculously or through the knowledge/gift of medication which he has deposited in some human. God created us with different gifts so that we can use it to serve humanity to his own glory and to our own blessings.
Some are blessed in the medical field, some in Engineering, some in arts etc. all these blessings are meant to serve humanities. This does not stop God from intervening in providing direct healing to sicknesses/diseases without going through medicals or herbal. We cant also expect God to be doing miraculous healing to everybody because this will render the gift he has given to those in the medical field useless. Same goes with other professions. If God wanted us to just sit idly all through life while he does everything for us then he wouldn't have deposited these various gifts in us.

If God decides to heal an amputee then thats it, but if he decides not to then we cant accuse him of incapability

adjoviomole:
If your faith in God is strong enough, it is possible...........God can do all things. But he doesn't do it as a show off to please the desire of man's heart like ppl like u.......if God wills he will do it and if not he wunt. It depends on the person asking for the favor and God knows d heart of the person and the motive behind it..

WE JUST WANT TO SEE A LIMB GROW.

oaroloye:
SHALOM!



Perhaps you would get results, if you "JUST WANTED TO HELP AN AMPUTEE GET THEIR LIFE BACK!"
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oaroloye:
SHALOM!



Perhaps you would get results, if you "JUST WANTED TO HELP AN AMPUTEE GET THEIR LIFE BACK!"

It is all about YOU, isn't it?

What if God healed the limb, but you blinked and missed it?

. MATTHEW 15:21-31.

21. Then Jesus went thence and departed into the region of Tyre and Sidon.
22. And behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same region and cried unto Him, saying,
“Have mercy on me, O Lord, Thou Son of David! My daughter is grievously vexed with a Devil.”
23. But He answered her not a word. And His Disciples came and besought Him, saying,
“Send her away, for she crieth after us.”
24. But He answered and said,
“I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
25. Then she came and worshiped Him, saying,
“Lord help me.”
26. But He answered and said,
“It is not meet to take children’s bread and cast it to dogs.”
27 And she said,
“Truth, Lord; yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.”
28. Then Jesus answered and said unto her,
“O woman, great is thy Faith. Be it unto thee even as thou wilt.” And her daughter was made whole from that very hour."
29. And Jesus departed from thence, and came nigh unto the sea of Galilee; and went up into a mountain, and sat down there.
30. And great multitudes came unto him, having with them those that were lame, blind, dumb, maimed, and many others, and cast them down at Jesus' feet; and he healed them:
31. Insomuch that the multitude wondered, when they saw the dumb to speak, the maimed to be whole, the lame to walk, and the blind to see: and they glorified The God of Israel.

hopefulLandlord:


first off, he tries to wiggle by saying



he is basically saying making an amputee limb grow is not "healing"

this is what the Christian apologists try to resort to, start "defining" words in order to sound smart while not saying anything at all

why its bull sheet

What we want is to see a limb grow

Jesus changed water to wine, was he "healing" the wedding?

when Jesus fed 5000 adults with 5 loaves of bread and two fishes, was he "healing" them of hunger?

and the biggest example yet,

when Lazarus was raised from the dead, was it a "healing"?

was he "healed" of death?

is "death" a "disease"?

I'm sure if we are to rank miracles, making a limb grow would be somewhere below raising the dead on the scale

Whatever "words" Christians want to call "making a limb grow" is fine by us

WE JUST WANT TO SEE A LIMB GROW

he also said


Guns, weapons, explosives, dynamite, bombs, fireworks, etc.
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hopefulLandlord:


I'm tryna make some sense out of the above and I'm scratching my head with my head literally expanding like "Brain" in the cartoon "pinky and the brain"

why its bullsheeet
so this our intelligent Christian apologist is saying god definitely heals the "disease" that leads to amputation like car accidents, mine explosions, terror attack, hostage situations (they're known to cut the hostage's finger and mail it in certain situations)

let's examine specific examples of those things that lead to amputation that Yahweh could've "healed" before it got there
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In 2007, 66-year-old Al Hill amputated his leg below the knee using his pocketknife after the leg got stuck beneath a fallen tree he was cutting in California.
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In 2007, Sampson Parker, a South Carolina farmer, cut off his own arm after it became stuck in a corn harvester.
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In 2003, 27-year-old Aron Ralston amputated his forearm using his pocketknife and breaking and tearing the two bones , after the arm got stuck under a boulder when hiking in Utah.
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In 2003, an Australian coal miner amputated his own arm with a Stanley knife after it became trapped when the front-end loader he was driving overturned three kilometers underground.
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these are cases of people amputating themselves in order to go on living
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Looking at the above, we can deduce that Mr Honourhim (who defined "healing" is actually saying Yahweh could've "healed" the diseases that lead to the amputation like "heal" the tree from falling, "heal" the corn harvester from working, "heal" the boulder from trapping
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the only sense I can make of this is that Mr Honourhim was extremely myopic to have thought only "diseases" lead to amputation

in fact, diseases far less account for amputation than accidents, consider the below also lead to amputation:

Traffic accidents (cars, motorcycles, bicycles, trains, etc.)
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Labor accidents (equipment, instruments, cylinders, chainsaws, press machines, meat machines, wood machines, etc.)
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Agricultural accidents, with machines and mower equipment
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Electric shock hazards
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Guns, weapons, explosives, dynamite, bombs, fireworks, etc.
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Violent rupture of ship rope or industry wire rope
Ring traction (ring amputation, de-gloving injuries)
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Building doors and car doors
Gas cylinder explosions



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hopefulLandlord:



what did I just read?

my head swelled again in order to make sense of this

why its bullsheeet
what he is saying is that its Yahweh that gave those doctors the ability to make groundbreaking discoveries that have led to cure and prevention of many debilitating diseases, disorders and conditions

for the sake of arguments, let's say this is true

now we will see in the bible that almost every "miracle" performed by Jesus Christ were things that no human at the time cannot possibly do

let's now take a simple look at a particular miracle in the bible

And a woman was there who had been subject to bleeding for twelve years. She had suffered a great deal under the care of many doctors and had spent all she had, yet instead of getting better she grew worse. When she heard about Jesus, she came up behind him in the crowd and touched his cloak, because she thought, “If I just touch his clothes, I will be healed. ” Immediately her bleeding stopped and she felt in her body that she was freed from her suffering.

as we can see from the above story, she had "suffered a great deal under care of many doctors", meaning she had tried everything medically possible to no avail and must've spent huge money in the process too but Yahweh healed her; Yahweh didn't make doctors find a cure
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consider the below example too

Jesus, visiting Jerusalem for a Jewish feast ( John 5:1 ), encounters one of the disabled people who used to lie here, a man who had been paralysed for thirty-eight years. "an angel went down at a certain time into the pool and stirred up the water; then whoever stepped in first, after the stirring of the water, was made well of whatever disease he had" ( John 5:4 - see John 5 ). Jesus asks the man if he wants to get well. The man explains that he is unable to enter the water when the water is stirred up, because he has no one to help in and others go down ahead of him. Jesus tells him to pick up his bed or mat and walk; the man is instantly cured and is able to do so.
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as we can also see here, no doctor could help the man, Jesus didn't make doctors find a cure, he cured him
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even though Jesus could've simply told the 5000 to go and look for food, he instead decided to feed them with 5 loaves and 2 fishes with many basketfuls of crumbs left, that didn't make the 5000 start depending on him to do it for them day and night did they? did they stop working because they have Jesus that can feed many people miraculously? of course not
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when Jesus healed Peter's mother in-law of high fever, did the doctors stop working day and night to find the cause and cure for fever?
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did winemakers simply stopped their job because a certain Jesus changed water to wine?
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did doctors suddenly stopped working when the Man with withered hands was healed?
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did they stop searching for a permanent solution to deafness and muteness when Jesus healed the man at Decapolis?
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did all the doctors at Gennesaret suddenly go out of business when Jesus' cloak healed everyone that touched it?
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i wonder why Christians conjure up these pathetic excuses when it comes to making a limb grow

really?

we atheists seriously doubt Yahweh's existence, we are not accusing him of incompetence, that's an understatement, we are not even accusing him of anything, we simply don't believe he exists
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Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:
Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!
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Matthew 17:20
For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.
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Matthew 21:22
I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.
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Matthew 18:19
Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
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if these verses happen to be true, then healing an amputee shouldn't be something you need to make up excuses for since you have faith
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Hell, Jesus even said you guys would do greater works In John chapter 14, verses 12 through 14,
Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I go to the Father. Whatever you ask in my name, I will do it, that the Father may be glorified in the Son; if you ask anything in my name, I will do it.
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we are telling you to do "lesser" work here after all, Making a limb grow is far lesser than making someone that's been dead for about a week to come back to life, isn't it?
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we are not telling you to move mount everest to Nigeria

charix:
You guys are still on this issue? The last thread was closed. It seems you guys want a deletion of this one.

hopefulLandlord:


which thread was that?

charix:

https://www.nairaland.com/3261481/atheists-lagos-worldwide-come-witness

Funny enough it's open again. It was closed by someone with authority stating the thread only promoted your whatsapp group and nothing else.
Since the thread still exists, why open another?

hahn:


None of these "miracles" have happened since man invented the camera and started video recording.

Why is that?

Why must you bring up stories from 2000 years ago in 2016?

Why can't you give me an example of someone on your street or the beggar in your area that was crippled but now walks or even a family member?

Why does god's miracles only exist in the pages of a book of fictional, barbaric and savage medieval history? Why not here and now?

SirWere:
.... Like Carl Sagan said:


"I don't want to believe.

I want to know"


It's funny how no recorded case of an amputee has EVER happened!

honourhim:
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A Christian here gave one of you a challenge to bring an amputee for him to be prayed for, promising to bear all expenses involved in the trip. Your atheist brother developed cold feet and started giving all sorts of irrelevant excuses even to the disappointment of his fellow atheists.

SirWere:
Yeah; I was disappointed too.

But I could see his point. I mean; why waste time and precious money for an event that will probably never happen.


C'mon; what's the point

honourhim:


You people always ask of proof in an argument and now somebody wants to show proof, he chickens out on the grounds of assumption. Does that make sense? No.
Again that does not show sincerity on you people's part on the word "proof" that you make so much noise about.

hahn:


None of these "miracles" have happened since man invented the camera and started video recording.

Why is that?

Why must you bring up stories from 2000 years ago in 2016?

Why can't you give me an example of someone on your street or the beggar in your area that was crippled but now walks or even a family member?

Why does god's miracles only exist in the pages of a book of fictional, barbaric and savage medieval history? Why not here and now?

hopefulLandlord:


and some other atheists decided to bring an amputee instead, they even said Naijadeyhia shouldn't bother with whatever money he has in mind but our lovely Naijadeyhia either ignored or turned them down

theoneJabulani:
why bother raising the hopes of a poor guy who has come to terms with his disability only to tell him in the end that his faith is not enough or everything happens for a reason?

charix:

https://www.nairaland.com/3261481/atheists-lagos-worldwide-come-witness

Funny enough it's open again. It was closed by someone with authority stating the thread only promoted your whatsapp group and nothing else.
Since the thread still exists, why open another?

omowumeee:
. that was this voodoo thread https://www.nairaland.com/3290176/tomorrow-prove-me-atheists-voodoo/7 created by someone else..

so when /where is the limb growing ?

Murtadd4Christ:
Where are you atheist. Im here give a shout?? Or are you still trying to find morals in humanism and society.. lmk