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Was Jesus Qualified To Be An Acceptable Sacrifice According The Old Testament? by guysbewise: 11:47pm On Feb 22, 2023 |
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Re: Was Jesus Qualified To Be An Acceptable Sacrifice According The Old Testament? by Kobojunkie: 4:03am On Feb 23, 2023 |
How does one even begin to approach to read through this what appears to be incoherent babbling? |
Re: Was Jesus Qualified To Be An Acceptable Sacrifice According The Old Testament? by KnownUnknown: 6:13am On Feb 23, 2023 |
No because he was only crucified and not properly prepared as a sin offering. He should have been bled slowly with the fat from his kidney burnt before the lord. Jesus was an unblemished bull born of a virgin heifer but he wasn’t slaughtered properly. The lord even spake this to old Moses. Leviticus 4 The Sin Offering 4 Then the Lord spoke to Moses: 2 “Tell the Israelites: When someone sins unintentionally against any of the Lord’s commands and does anything prohibited by them— 3 “If the anointed priest[a] sins, bringing guilt on the people, he is to present to the Lord a young, unblemished bull as a sin[b] offering for the sin he has committed. 4 He must bring the bull to the entrance to the tent of meeting before the Lord, lay his hand on the bull’s head, and slaughter it before the Lord. 5 The anointed priest must then take some of the bull’s blood and bring it into the tent of meeting. 6 The priest is to dip his finger in the blood and sprinkle some of it seven times before the Lord in front of the veil of the sanctuary. 7 The priest must apply some of the blood to the horns of the altar of fragrant incense that is before the Lord in the tent of meeting. He must pour out the rest of the bull’s blood at the base of the altar of burnt offering that is at the entrance to the tent of meeting. 8 He is to remove all the fat from the bull of the sin offering: the fat surrounding the entrails, all the fat that is on the entrails, 9 and the two kidneys with the fat on them at the loins. He will also remove the fatty lobe of the liver with the kidneys, 10 just as the fat is removed from the ox of the fellowship sacrifice. The priest is to burn them on the altar of burnt offering. 1 Like |
Re: Was Jesus Qualified To Be An Acceptable Sacrifice According The Old Testament? by Kobojunkie: 6:23am On Feb 23, 2023 |
Why would Jesus Christ have needed to stand as a sort of sin offering when He instead made it clear by way of His teachings that the only way to be set free from slavery to sin, and this for all those who chose Him, was instead through continuous submission and obedience of His teachings and commandments - John 8 vs 31 - 36? Jesus Christ was never a sin offering, He is instead the Passover Lamb of God - Exodus 12 - whose blood specially marks Israelites for God's special Nation of Priests - Exodus 19 vs 6. God never stated His New agreement would serve as some sort of sin offering nor offer any of that so why would one assume these things?. |
Re: Was Jesus Qualified To Be An Acceptable Sacrifice According The Old Testament? by Steep(m): 6:33am On Feb 23, 2023 |
guysbewise:The animal sacrifice was symbolic, first of all, the life of an animal does not equal the life of a human. 1.The female goat or sheep represent christ submission because female animals are less aggressive compared to the male. 2.The animal must be without bruises represent sinlessness, the perfect sacrifice must be sinless 3. Jesus was his own priest and his body was the temple, since the temple represnt the place where God dwells, God was in Christ. 4. God does not demand for human sacrifice, the sacrifice of Jesus was willingly taken by Jesus to take up our place, just like a man taking the place of his condemned friend. |
Re: Was Jesus Qualified To Be An Acceptable Sacrifice According The Old Testament? by guysbewise: 8:36am On Feb 23, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: You are the one babbling as you just cannot fault any of the points raised in the post. |
Re: Was Jesus Qualified To Be An Acceptable Sacrifice According The Old Testament? by Dtruthspeaker: 12:36pm On Feb 23, 2023 |
guysbewise: You are talking rubbish because you are trying to use the fallacy of argument by the bulk, to over us down to discourage and prevent us from countering which is an automatic proof that you have no case already You don't need plenty arguments to make a case. Truth is not established by the bulkiness of an argument. And for the little rubbish that I was able to see, "It was not man who sacrificed Jesus but God Himself" hence, Hebrews 5. All the sacrifices which The Law instructed are those carried out by man himself but no man chose and kept and prepared Christ for sacrifice. It was God Who did it All. |
Re: Was Jesus Qualified To Be An Acceptable Sacrifice According The Old Testament? by Kobojunkie: 4:00pm On Feb 23, 2023 |
guysbewise:Cobbling together verses from here to day only to ask silly questions, all of them born of delusions does not a point make. |
Re: Was Jesus Qualified To Be An Acceptable Sacrifice According The Old Testament? by guysbewise: 4:04pm On Feb 23, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: You are the one who is delusional as you are promoting an invented messiah that has nothing to do with the Old Testament just so that you can control the gullible ones. |
Re: Was Jesus Qualified To Be An Acceptable Sacrifice According The Old Testament? by Kobojunkie: 4:08pm On Feb 23, 2023 |
guysbewise:1. I have never invented anything as I have provided biblical reference on every occasion to back up everyone of my claims regarding the Anointed one/Messiah. We are talking references you have never been able to argue against to this point in our tango so? As for the Op, Jesus Christ was never a Sin offering so comparing him to such makes absolutely no sense of any kind. |
Re: Was Jesus Qualified To Be An Acceptable Sacrifice According The Old Testament? by guysbewise: 7:03pm On Feb 23, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: 1. He was invented by the Roman empire and you are promoting a messiah who is not the real Messiah prophesied about in the Old Testament. 2. If Jesus did not offer Himself as a sin offering then what did He offer Himself as? |
Re: Was Jesus Qualified To Be An Acceptable Sacrifice According The Old Testament? by Kobojunkie: 7:28pm On Feb 23, 2023 |
guysbewise:Was Israel in need of a sin offering that you would assume Jesus Christ came offering Him as such? Here's a better question.... are you even aware of why God promised the House of Jacob a New agreement of peace? |
Re: Was Jesus Qualified To Be An Acceptable Sacrifice According The Old Testament? by guysbewise: 11:45am On Feb 24, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: The question was what did Jesus offer Himself as, but you have not answered 1 Like |
Re: Was Jesus Qualified To Be An Acceptable Sacrifice According The Old Testament? by Kobojunkie: 2:34pm On Feb 24, 2023 |
guysbewise:Your question instead was as follows.... guysbewise:You assumed Jesus Christ was a sin offering where there's no valid reason for such an assumption. Your entire thread seems to be based on that assumption too. I am simply trying to help you dig yourself out of that foolishness to make sense of this. Jesus Christ announced Himself instead as God's New Covenant of peace -- Matthew 26 vs 28 - 30 - and so I rightly ask you if you are even aware of God promising such to the House of Jacob and the reasons behind the second agreement. |
Re: Was Jesus Qualified To Be An Acceptable Sacrifice According The Old Testament? by guysbewise: 3:01pm On Feb 24, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: Your foolishness will not allow you to read and know that Jesus offerred Himself as a sin offering. "For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature,God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering." (Romans 8:3) |
Re: Was Jesus Qualified To Be An Acceptable Sacrifice According The Old Testament? by Kobojunkie: 3:03pm On Feb 24, 2023 |
guysbewise:Jesus Christ never said He was a "sin offering" nor did He hint at such. So are you here to argue Paul's views or the who of Jesus Christ? |
Re: Was Jesus Qualified To Be An Acceptable Sacrifice According The Old Testament? by guysbewise: 3:35pm On Feb 24, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: Then Jesus would now have layed down His life. "The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again" John 10:17 "For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature,God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering." (Romans 8:3) |
Re: Was Jesus Qualified To Be An Acceptable Sacrifice According The Old Testament? by Kobojunkie: 3:37pm On Feb 24, 2023 |
guysbewise:He laid down His life means He must have been a sin offering even though He never hinted at being any such? |
Re: Was Jesus Qualified To Be An Acceptable Sacrifice According The Old Testament? by KnownUnknown: 3:40pm On Feb 24, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: Matthew 26 bs 28-30 28 For this is My blood that establishes the covenant; it is shed for many for the forgiveness of sins. 29 But I tell you, from this moment I will not drink of this fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it in a new way in My Father’s kingdom with you.” 30 After singing psalms,they went out to the Mount of Olives. 1 Like |
Re: Was Jesus Qualified To Be An Acceptable Sacrifice According The Old Testament? by guysbewise: 4:04pm On Feb 24, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: How about this, what do you think Jesus was saying here Matthew 26 bs 28 28 "For this is My blood that establishes the covenant; it is shed for many for the forgiveness of sins" From the above, Paul was right in saying that: "For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature,God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering." (Romans 8:3) Kobojunkie: |
Re: Was Jesus Qualified To Be An Acceptable Sacrifice According The Old Testament? by Kobojunkie: 4:26pm On Feb 24, 2023 |
guysbewise:That verse also doesn't tell you that Jesus Christ is a sin-offering. Let's take a look at what a sin offering is and how it works. First, what is sin? Sin is disobedience of God's direct commandment or teaching as indicated in His Law/agreement. It is a transgression of the Law because God's Law is all-or-nothing meaning that by disobeying one command, one is guilty of disobeying the entirety of the Law. In the Old Law, God provided for the people bonus tickets by which to have their sins erased — their debt cleared so to speak — and this on one day of the year, the day of Atonement, and this via the offering of the sin-offering. In the Old Law, we find the clearly expressed purpose and application of Sin-offering in Exodus 30 and Leviticus 4. 7 “Aaron must burn sweet-smelling incense on the altar every morning. He will do this when he comes to care for the lamps. 8 He must burn incense again when he checks the lamps in the evening so that incense will be burned before the Lord every day forever.A sin-offering is meant to completely erase the sins of the people once every year. In order to qualify as a sin-offering, Jesus Christ ought to offer His followers an instant fix to the sin debt which they come to Him with. Jesus Christ, God's New agreement, would need to be able to erase all of their sins without much effort on their path to be considered a sin-offering candidate. However, a close look at His Gospel reveals that this is in fact not the case at all. 31 So Jesus said to the Jews who believed in him, “If you continue to accept and obey my teaching, you are really my followers.In the passage just above, we clearly see that the path to forgiveness of sins in Jesus Christ —for those who are followers of Jesus Christ — does not in any way mirror the sin-offering described in the Old Law, as those who follow Jesus Christ are clearly individually responsible for: ■ putting an end to their bad ways, ■ repenting from a life of disobedience(transgression of God's Law), choosing instead obedience to His Truth ■ following continuously in the path of obedience to the Truth until one is made pure from sin — set free from slavery to sin — by the Truth ■ Attaining everlasting righteousness through the process of obedience to the Truth of God see Daniel 9 vs 24 Jesus Christ does not erase sins. Instead, He is a path to redemption for all those who seek to be made free from the curse and burden of God's Old Law or Moses. The onus is on those who follow Him to use that path in achieving a life free from slavery to sin. Those who refuse to live in continuous submission and obedience to His teachings and commandments remain slaves to sin and are destined for eternal damnation as a result. This brings us back to what is in fact stated in Matthew 26 where Jesus Christ reveals that He is the New agreement from God to the people. 27 Then he took a cup of wine, thanked God for it, and gave it to them. He said, “Each one of you drink some of it.Jesus Christ never insinuated that He is a sin-offering. Instead, He said His blood was poured out for the forgiveness of sins, a path to redemption for the defaulters of the Old Law of Moses — sinners of the House of Israel. Jesus Christ is not some sort of price paid for sins and neither is He a sin-offering nor a sin-eater, so the assumption made by the OP is flawed. God designed His Old agreement-- YHWH-- in such a way that anyone who has been judged and condemned by the Law cannot then be redeemed by the following of it. In Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28 vs 15 - 56 God provides extensive details of how once cursed, the curse is then meant to destroy the afflicted. There is no way back provided in the Law. Sin offerings cannot reverse God's curse nor erase sin that piles up as a result of the curse. God's New agreement, Jesus Christ, however, provides for the sinners or the Old Law a path back from the curse that leads eventually to eternal salvation which was never available to them via the Old Law, YHWH. |
Re: Was Jesus Qualified To Be An Acceptable Sacrifice According The Old Testament? by sonmvayina(m): 4:55pm On Feb 24, 2023 |
No...he is not qualified. Human sacrifice is an abomination to YHWH of the Tanakh |
Re: Was Jesus Qualified To Be An Acceptable Sacrifice According The Old Testament? by guysbewise: 4:19pm On Feb 25, 2023 |
Then you don't understand what Jesus was saying here: Matthew 26 bs 28 28 "For this is My blood that establishes the covenant; it is shed for many for the forgiveness of sins" From the above, Paul was right in saying that: "For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature,God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering." (Romans 8:3) Kobojunkie: |
Re: Was Jesus Qualified To Be An Acceptable Sacrifice According The Old Testament? by Kobojunkie: 5:03pm On Feb 25, 2023 |
guysbewise:The usual fallacy presents itself, I see. Argument by pigheadedness or ad lapidem fallacy. Continue running around in circles while I go face better this election day abeg! |
Re: Was Jesus Qualified To Be An Acceptable Sacrifice According The Old Testament? by guysbewise: 5:15pm On Feb 25, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: After you have started your Pigheaded Arguments and you have nothing else to say you now use election as an excuse to run away with your ad lapidem fallacy . This was the saying of Jesus: Matthew 26 bs 28 28 "For this is My blood that establishes the covenant; it is shed for many for the forgiveness of sins" From the above, Paul was right in saying that: "For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature,God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering." (Romans 8:3) |
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