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Lukuluku69:
The problem with you, with your likes is that you take a verse or may be two and run with it.

Why not look at the whole Chapter to get a better understanding of what the Oracle says?

I can take you on, the whole of Isaiah, from Chapter One till the very last and if only you will open your eyes, those blind eyes of yours and you will see nothing but the rise of the Arabian Prophet and the rise of the Arabs.

But I know you won't see it, so why would I waste my time?

That deep sleep you alluded to is the slumber your God's children would be when the Arabian Prophets rises.

Let go of your ignorant arrogant mis-yarns and walk with me, I can wean you.....

I don't mind you taking me through the book of Isaiah, we learn everyday even when we differ.

Are you saying that verse 10 of Isaiah 29 refer to Mohammed?

Lukuluku69:
The Scholars are straight jacketed with English. Examples abound in the Quran where there are no equivalent words in English but had to make do with what is available.

The Word Rabb has no equivalent in English but the Translators had to make do with Lord

The word Yisa/Isa can only take the form of Jesus because that is what the English know.

So, as you can see, the Translators had limited openings. That is why we prefer the Arabic. It is as it was for Thousands of years.

I understand you perfectly but just as you Lukuluku69 has found a much better translation of IQRA into English as RECITE, I want to believe that the Scholars translating the hadiths are excellent Muslims who desire the conveyance of accurate truth to Muslims. They are not dumb sir!

On that basis, I ask for their translation of the hadiths. Mind you, there are several hadiths that report this not just Imam Bukhari. And there are several translators from the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Syria, Pakistan etc that have translated the same hadiths.

So, all I need is a Hadith that agree with you AND it's source so that I can verify

TenQ:
I don't mind you taking me through the book of Isaiah, we learn everyday even when we differ.

Are you saying that verse 10 of Isaiah 29 refer to Mohammed?

Read Isaiah 29 from Verse one to the end. Then come back for it interpretations. But I will suggest you start from Isaiah Chapter One. That way, you will appreciate the journey.

Lukuluku69:
Read Isaiah 29 from Verse one to the end. Then come back for it interpretations. But I will suggest you start from Isaiah Chapter One. That way, you will appreciate the journey.

Okay sir!
At your service.

But you've not answered this
Are you saying that verse 10 of Isaiah 29 refer to Mohammed?

TenQ:
I understand you perfectly but just as you Lukuluku69 has found a much better translation of IQRA into English as RECITE, I want to believe that the Scholars translating the hadiths are excellent Muslims who desire the conveyance of accurate truth to Muslims.

On that basis, I ask for their translation of the hadiths. Mind you, there are several hadiths that report this not just Imam Bukhari. And there are several translators from the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Syria, Pakistan etc that have translated the same hadiths.

So, all I need is a Hadith that agree with you AND it's source so that I can verify

You don't need an Hadith Translation that agrees with me. You are the one all over the place on this. The Muslims have no issue with it because they recognize the limitations in Translations. Some words can't be translated, some would need a phrase to do so, some don't have an equivalent at.

The issue of Iqra being translated to " Read" by most Scholars is not lost on Muslims. That word has varied meanings. I told you before.

Make whatever of what you want with it, it doesn't change a thing.

TenQ:
Okay sir!
At your service.

But you've not answered this
Are you saying that verse 10 of Isaiah 29 refer to Mohammed?

To Appreciate the splendour of the horizon, you need to come out into the open and not from a Keyhole.

Start from Isaiah Chapter One. When you do, to understand Isaiah 29:10 won't be an issue.

Lukuluku69:
To Appreciate the splendour of the horizon, you need to come out into the open and not from a Keyhole.

Start from Isaiah Chapter One. When you do, to understand Isaiah 29:10 won't be an issue.

I said:
Okay sir!
At your service. I will comply

But you've not answered this
Are you saying that verse 10 of Isaiah 29 refer to Mohammed?

Lukuluku69:
You don't need an Hadith Translation that agrees with me. You are the one all over the place on this. The Muslims have no issue with it because they recognize the limitations in Translations. Some words can't be translated, some would need a phrase to do so, some don't have an equivalent at.

The issue of Iqra being translated to " Read" by most Scholars is not lost on Muslims. That word has varied meanings. I told you before.

Make whatever of what you want with it, it doesn't change a thing.

If I get you correctly, your interpretation is BETTER than those of your scholars who translated the hadiths into English Language.


I appreciate your response sir as you have tried as best as you can in explaining your point of view. I also appreciate that we can be on opposing sides yet discuss in a civil manner.

Thank you for your input Mr Lukuluku69.

Peace!

TenQ:
If I get you correctly, your interpretation is BETTER than those of your scholars who translated the hadiths into English Language.


I appreciate your response sir as you have tried as best as you can in explaining your point of view. I also appreciate that we can be on opposing sides yet discuss in a civil manner.

Thank you for your input Mr Lukuluku69.

Peace!

If there are abuses on any thread between Muslims and Christians, know that the Christians started it.

That said, I can actually see some changes in you. You are actually asking me to stop replying you by your last statement? You!?

Wonder they say never ends.

TenQ:
I said:
Okay sir!
At your service. I will comply

But you've not answered this
Are you saying that verse 10 of Isaiah 29 refer to Mohammed?

Start from Isaiah Chapter one, do this and it will open the doors to who a book was delivered to.

Lukuluku69:
If there are abuses on any thread between Muslims and Christians, know that the Christians started it.

The only person that have problems with me on NL is LegalWolf. I doubt if you've seen me throwing insults at people in the course of opposing views.

Lukuluku69:
That said, I can actually see some changes in you. You are actually asking me to stop replying you by your last statement? You!?

Wonder they say never ends.

I think we've gotten to where no progress or change in views can happen. This is not just to argue, no: that would be pointless.

However, I still appreciate you for your inputs.

TenQ:
The only person that have problems with me on NL is LegalWolf. I doubt if you've seen me throwing insults at people in the course of opposing views.


I think we've gotten to where no progress or change in views can happen. This is not just to argue, no: that would be pointless.

However, I still appreciate you for your inputs.

So, I should wait on the sideline until your confusion cook up another thread?

Alright then.

For those just coming in, the post and resulting questions is presented


Islamic narratives speak of the first time Allah sent his words the Qur'an through the angel Jubril.

Mohammed was COMMANDED three different times by Jubril to READ. With each command, Mohammed was squeezed by Jubril (we don't know whether this was a punishment OR an aid to Mohammed to be able to Read).

Qur'an 96:1
ٱقۡرَأۡ بِٱسۡمِ رَبِّكَ ٱلَّذِي خَلَقَ

Qur'an 96:1
Read: In the Name of your Lord Who created,

Muslims agree that the Word IQRA "READ" was the first words of Allah to Mohammed.
Unfortunately, even at the end of this encounter, Mohammed could NOT Read.

Some Muslims are trying desperately to say that IQRA mean RECITE rather than READ. Unfortunately, two things get them busted
1. Mohammed said "I cannot READ" rather than "I cannot RECITE".
Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 1, Hadith 3
2. The Qur'an describes the messenger of Allah as unlettered
Qur'an 7:157
Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find written in their own Scriptures, in the Law and the Gospel..."
3. Mainstream Muslim understanding of the narrative
"When Prophet Muhammad (صَلَّىٰ ٱللَّٰهُ عَلَيْهِ وَآلِهِ وَسَلَّمَ) received his first revelation, he did not know how to read or write"
https://www.islamicity.org/11380/when-an-illiterate-man-was-asked-to-read/



This being said: THE QUESTION
According to Islam, we understand that when Allah says "BE", it happens
1. Why did Mohammed remain UNLETTERED after Allah COMMANDED him to READ three times?
2. What was the essence of the Command "Read" when there was no book given to be read?
3. Why did Mohammed say "I cannot READ" rather than "show me what to read"?

Thank you.

In perspective, imagine if Jesus told a blind man to SEE and the blind man could still not see!




Let's hope there'll be some interesting response

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Lukuluku69:
So, I should wait on the sideline until your confusion cook up another thread?

Alright then.

It's not as bad as that o!
I always appreciate logical and fact based discussions as the point is not just for the sake of argument.

I almost recited the shahada some years ago and the experience was a good one for me. It helped me to start questioning my faith as a Christian and at the same time opened me up to knowing Islam.

If I ask any questions, it is simply because I haven't found any good response from Muslims. On the other hand, I appreciate when people ask me questions too about my faith: I will answer and respond to the best of my knowledge and understanding.

Many things seem trivial UNTIL they are subjected to questioning

TenQ:
It's not as bad as that o!
I always appreciate logical and fact based discussions as the point is not just for the sake of argument.

I almost recited the shahada some years ago and the experience was a good one for me. It helped me to start questioning my faith as a Christian and at the same time opened me up to knowing Islam.

If I ask any questions, it is simply because I haven't found any good response from Muslims. On the other hand, I appreciate when people ask me questions too about my faith: I will answer and respond to the best of my knowledge and understanding.

Many things seem trivial UNTIL they are subjected to questioning

Ok

Let us wait for the next thread then

Lukuluku69:
Ok

Let us wait for the next thread then

Okay Bro!
Have a beautiful night rest!

TenQ:
Why was Mohammed's response to Jubril's instruction was "I CANNOT READ" rather than "I CANNOT RECITE"?

Why do your Islamic scholars translate IQRA as READ rather than RECITE in your Tafsirs

Why was Mohammed's response to Jubril's instruction was "I CANNOT READ" rather than "I CANNOT RECITE"?

You have to understand that it's not actually just a command, it's a full verse of the qur'an

He replied that way because for the first three times, the Angel said READ without completing the verse and so the Prophet responded appropriately

He actually lacked the ability to read something written

Why do your Islamic scholars translate IQRA as READ rather than RECITE in your Tafsirs ?

Read is the exact translation that's why

If you're struggling to understand how READ and RECITE can overlap, lookup what white people call a book reading...a book is read aloud i.e. a recital

Read can have several meanings even in English language. If i ask you to read out what's in your mind do you need a book to do that? Or is the sentence wrong?

For the sake of argument, let's say the Angel was prepping the Prophet to READ out the verses to be installed in his mind which he didn't know then, but the Prophet assumed the Angel was referring to a manuscript

IMEI:
Why was Mohammed's response to Jubril's instruction was "I CANNOT READ" rather than "I CANNOT RECITE"?

You have to understand that it's not actually just a command, it's a full verse of the qur'an

He replied that way because for the first three times, the Angel said READ without completing the verse and so the Prophet responded appropriately

He actually lacked the ability to read something written

Why do your Islamic scholars translate IQRA as READ rather than RECITE in your Tafsirs ?

Read is the exact translation that's why

If you're struggling to understand how READ and RECITE can overlap, lookup what white people call a book reading...a book is read aloud i.e. a recital

Read can have several meanings even in English language. If i ask you to read out what's in your mind do you need a book to do that? Or is the sentence wrong?

For the sake of argument, let's say the Angel was prepping the Prophet to READ out the verses to be installed in his mind which he didn't know then, but the Prophet assumed the Angel was referring to a manuscript

This argument is actually baseless

If your argument is that IQRA mean RECITE rather than READ, why do ALL hadiths of the narrative of when Jubril came to Mohammed never translated Mohammed's response as "I CANNOT RECITE" instead, they ALL put Mohammed's response as "I CANNOT READ"?

Secondly,
The Command to Read and Mohammed's response make sense especially to a person who CANNOT Read.

A person who cannot read doesn't even Need to see the BOOK or MANUSCRIPT to respond: "I cannot READ"! Don't you think so?

If Mohammed could read, his response should be
1. What should I read? Or
2. Where is the Manuscript?

Thirdly,
If Jubril's Command was RECITE rather than READ, it is extremely stupid for the answer to be "I cannot RECITE"!
Everyone can recite.

Mohammed's response should then be
"What should I recite? " Without the drama of Saying " I cannot RECITE"!

TenQ:
If your argument is that IQRA mean RECITE rather than READ, why do ALL hadiths of the narrative of when Jubril came to Mohammed never translated Mohammed's response as "I CANNOT RECITE" instead, they ALL put Mohammed's response as "I CANNOT READ"?

Secondly,
The Command to Read and Mohammed's response make sense especially to a person who CANNOT Read.

A person who cannot read doesn't even Need to see the BOOK or MANUSCRIPT to respond: "I cannot READ"! Don't you think so?

If Mohammed could read, his response should be
1. What should I read? Or
2. Where is the Manuscript?

Thirdly,
If Jubril's Command was RECITE rather than READ, it is extremely stupid for the answer to be "I cannot RECITE"!
Everyone can recite.

Mohammed's response should then be
"What should I recite? " Without the drama of Saying " I cannot RECITE"!

We're going in circles, read all i've written

You're asking the same things again and again without understanding my answers

IMEI:
We're going in circles, read all i've written

You're asking the same things again and again without understanding my answers

I gave you three different scenarios when Mohammed's responses could make a meaning.

Alright,
If you insist that IQRA mean RECITE rather than READ, then you should be able to give me a supporting Hadith that agree with you.
I need is a Hadith that agree with you AND it's source so that I can verify




Mind you, there are several hadiths that report this episode not just Imam Bukhari (Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 1, Hadith 3) .
And there are several translators from the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Syria, Pakistan etc that have translated the same hadiths.

So, all I need is a Hadith that agree with you AND it's source so that I can verify

TenQ:
I gave you three different scenarios when Mohammed's responses could make a meaning.

Alright,
If you insist that IQRA mean RECITE rather than READ, then you should be able to give me a supporting Hadith that agree with you.
I need is a Hadith that agree with you AND it's source so that I can verify





Mind you, there are several hadiths that report this episode not just Imam Bukhari (Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 1, Hadith 3) .
And there are several translators from the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Syria, Pakistan etc that have translated the same hadiths.

So, all I need is a Hadith that agree with you AND it's source so that I can verify

In Arabic, the word used for the command to “read!” is iqra’, from the root Q-R-A, which means to both read [aloud or silently] from a written text or to recite something that one has memorized. Hence, the command to read can also be translated as “recite!” [Zurqani, Al-Mawahib al-Laduniyyah]

For a full explanation to your question, refer to this link

https://seekersguidance.org/answers/calling-to-islam/why-did-jibril-demand-the-prophet-muhammad-to-read-when-he-could-not-read/

IMEI:
In Arabic, the word used for the command to “read!” is iqra’, from the root Q-R-A, which means to both read [aloud or silently] from a written text or to recite something that one has memorized. Hence, the command to read can also be translated as “recite!” [Zurqani, Al-Mawahib al-Laduniyyah]

For a full explanation to your question, refer to this link

https://seekersguidance.org/answers/calling-to-islam/why-did-jibril-demand-the-prophet-muhammad-to-read-when-he-could-not-read/

I understand that contemporary Muslims would rather want to translate IQRA to RECITE rather than READ. However, it is NOT up to you or me to redefine any WORD or phrase we are not comfortable with with the issue of Religion. According to Islam, we have to rely by this list of priority on any INTERPRETATION
1. The Qur'an
2. The Hadiths
3. The Tafsirs
4. The Sunnah

I requested for the HADITHS because it is superior to any modern reinterpretation .

Can you give me reasons why I should IGNORE what the Hadiths say and take your website link over it (the hadith)?


Interestingly, your website link agree with me that IQRA mean READ! The site only attempt to explain the controversy


If IQRA meant RECITE, what do you think should be the logical response of Mohammed to Jubril?

cc Tenq... I don't want to assume you are here to criticize but lemme ask quick question are you here to learn or critique?

Lemme know how to operate with you... you know time and space is money.

TenQ:
I understand that contemporary Muslims would rather want to translate IQRA to RECITE rather than READ. However, it is NOT up to you or me to redefine any WORD or phrase we are not comfortable with with the issue of Religion. According to Islam, we have to rely by this list of priority on any INTERPRETATION
1. The Qur'an
2. The Hadiths
3. The Tafsirs
4. The Sunnah

I requested for the HADITHS because it is superior to any modern reinterpretation .

Can you give me reasons why I should IGNORE what the Hadiths say and take your website link over it (the hadith)?


Interestingly, your website link agree with me that IQRA mean READ! The site only attempt to explain the controversy


If IQRA meant RECITE, what do you think should be the logical response of Mohammed to Jubril?

Your answer is in the link below, if you're still not clear after reading it, then i can't help you

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/199949/read-in-the-name-of-your-lord-who-has-created-all-that-exists-is-a-command-to-recite-from-memory-not-from-a-written-page

Akinbahm:
cc Tenq... I don't want to assume you are here to criticize but lemme ask quick question are you here to learn or critique?

Lemme know how to operate with you... you know time and space is money.

I don't understand you sir!

My objective is to make us all THINK beyond the response of the standard narratives (which to most extent is full of holes).
I almost recited the shahada some years ago but some observable inconsistencies made me slow down to ASK Questions even of Christianity.

My Observation is that the TRUTH will always remain strong under INTERROGATIONS.

IMEI:
Your answer is in the link below, if you're still not clear after reading it, then i can't help you

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/199949/read-in-the-name-of-your-lord-who-has-created-all-that-exists-is-a-command-to-recite-from-memory-not-from-a-written-page

Good Morning,

I read your link sir.
It tried to set a New narrative and tell what I should believe without supporting and JUSTIFYING the new position with either the Qur'an nor the Hadiths.

If the post was good enough, it should be able to effortlessly answer my questions.


1. Why did Mohammed remain UNLETTERED after Allah COMMANDED him to READ /RECITE three times?
2. What was the essence of the Command "Read"/"Recite" when there was no book given to be read nor what to recite known?
3. Why did Mohammed say "I cannot READ" rather than "show me what to read" or "What should I recite"?

TenQ:
I don't understand you sir!

My objective is to make us all THINK beyond the response of the standard narratives (which to most extent is full of holes).
I almost recited the shahada some years ago but some observable inconsistencies made me slow down to ASK Questions even of Christianity.

My Observation is that the TRUTH will always remain strong under INTERROGATIONS.

What is giving u headache about Islam and what are the inconsistencies u observed?

Akinbahm:
What is giving u headache about Islam and what are the inconsistencies u observed?

Too many sir.

Standard Islamic narratives say
1. There is only ONE Arabic Qur'an!
Now we find out that there are at least 26 different Arabic Qur'ans.
2. Qur'an is the exact words of Allah!
But we find scientific errors that is too impossible for God to make, like semen coming from the rib bone of the woman and backbone of the man. The sun setting in some murky waters etc
3. We find Allah commanding you Muslims on how to practice Prostitution
4. The fact that Islam doesn't know the prophets mentioned even in their Qur'an. If I ask you, according to the Qur'an, who is Israel?
5. Muslims say that Mohammed is the best example to mankind!
But we see several behaviours not worthy of a man of integrity being displayed by Mohammed.
6. We see a Re-Write of History!
Who did Abraham want to sacrifice (Ishmael or Ishaq)? If Jesus wasn't crucified, who was crucified
7. Crazy story about Suleiman who died for almost a year and no one discovered that their king was dead.

There are too many discrepancies my guy..
As Muslims, you accept them as they are because you DO NOT ASK QUESTIONS!


You will find others I've written about here

https://www.nairaland.com/tenq/topics

TenQ:
Too many sir.

Standard Islamic narratives say
1. There is only ONE Arabic Qur'an!
Now we find out that there are at least 26 different Arabic Qur'ans.
2. Qur'an is the exact words of Allah!
But we find scientific errors that is too impossible for God to make, like semen coming from the rib bone of the woman and backbone of the man. The sun setting in some murky waters etc
3. We find Allah commanding you Muslims on how to practice Prostitution
4. The fact that Islam doesn't know the prophets mentioned even in their Qur'an. If I ask you, according to the Qur'an, who is Israel?
5. Muslims say that Mohammed is the best example to mankind!
But we see several behaviours not worthy of a man of integrity being displayed by Mohammed.
6. We see a Re-Write of History!
Who did Abraham want to sacrifice (Ishmael or Ishaq)? If Jesus wasn't crucified, who was crucified
7. Crazy story about Suleiman who died for almost a year and no one discovered that their king was dead.

There are too many discrepancies my guy..
As Muslims, you accept them as they are because you DO NOT ASK QUESTIONS!


You will find others I've written about here

https://www.nairaland.com/tenq/topics

1: this orientalists claim hold no water as it has been nullified by Islamic scholars... u can proof otherwise with valid points not merely talk.

2: what u put up there does it make sense to u also... make it make sense by providing the Quranic chapters and or Verses u saw those write up.

3: another hearsay bring out proof (Quran or sahih or mutawatir Hadith) i mean hadith generally accepted by Muslims not fabricated own.

4: don't be a learner who knows more than the tutor... also, how to dissect words before passing verdict don't be a lazy learner.

5: bring out those actions... remember human being will always be human being.

6: Ismaheel.

7: even those in medical line can attest to this do your job dutifully.

Note: come out with a proven claims with back up from Qur'an and or Hadith if u want this convo to continue.

Akinbahm:
1: this orientalists claim hold no water as it has been nullified by Islamic scholars... u can proof otherwise with valid points not merely talk.

2: what u put up there does it make sense to u also... make it make sense by providing the Quranic chapters and or Verses u saw those write up.

3: another hearsay bring out proof (Quran or sahih or mutawatir Hadith) i mean hadith generally accepted by Muslims not fabricated own.

4: don't be a learner who knows more than the tutor... also, how to dissect words before passing verdict don't be a lazy learner.

5: bring out those actions... remember human being will always be human being.

6: Ismaheel.

7: even those in medical line can attest to this do your job dutifully.

Note: come out with a proven claims with back up from Qur'an and or Hadith if u want this convo to continue.

I wish you could just pick Any One of these and we thrash it out.

It is one thing to make a claim, it is another to bring a convincing proof.

Choose any of your choice: I'll be waiting!

TenQ:
I wish you could just pick Any One of these and we thrash it out.

It is one thing to make a claim, it is another to bring a convincing proof.

Choose any of your choice: I'll be waiting!

Tell me why u raised them initially when u r not ready to dialogue... pick one u think is your strength.

Akinbahm:
Tell me why u raised them initially when u r not ready to dialogue... pick one u think is your strength.

Okay if you want me to start. Only promise that you will answer truthfully any questions I post for you.

I will start with the easiest: I said:
7. Crazy story about Suleiman who died for almost a year and no one discovered that their king was dead.

In the Qur'an
Quran 34:14
And when We decreed death for him, nothing showed his death to them save a creeping creature of the earth which gnawed away his staff. And when he fell the jinn saw clearly how, if they had known the Unseen, they would not have continued in despised toil.

Tafsir of the Qur'an
The three Tafsirs below were unanimous in their commentaries

1. Tafsir Ibn Kathir Qur'an 34:14
2. Tafsir Ibn ‘Abbâs Qur'an 34:14
3. Tafsir Al-Jalalayn Qur'an 34:14

The summary is presented below!

The Death of Sulayman
Allah tells us how Sulayman, peace be upon him, died and how Allah concealed his death from the Jinn who were subjugated to him to do hard labor. He remained leaning on his stick, which was his staff , as Ibn `Abbas may Allah be pleased with him, Mujahid, Al-Hasan, Qatadah and others said. He stayed like that for a long time, nearly a year. When a creature of the earth, which was a kind of worm, ate through the stick, it became weak and fell to the ground. Then it became apparent that he had died a long time before. It also became clear to Jinn and men alike that the Jinn do not know the Unseen as they (the Jinn) used to imagine and tried to deceive people. This is what Allah says:
مَا دَلَّهُمْ عَلَى مَوْتِهِ إِلاَّ دَابَّةُ الاٌّرْضِ تَأْكُلُ مِنسَأَتَهُ فَلَمَّا خَرَّ تَبَيَّنَتِ الْجِنُّ أَن لَّوْ كَانُواْ يَعْلَمُونَ الْغَيْبَ مَا لَبِثُواْ فِى الْعَذَابِ الْمُهِينِ
(nothing informed them (Jinn) of his death except a little worm of the earth which kept (slowly) gnawing away at his stick. So when he fell down, the Jinn saw clearly that if they had known the Unseen, they would not have stayed in the humiliating torment.) meaning, it became clear to the people that they (the Jinn) were lying.





My THREE Questions to You
[i]
1. Is this story from the Qur'an and Tafsirs TRUE or FICTION?
2. Knowing that Suliman was a big and powerful KING, Can you thus explain
A. How Suliman died for almost one year and none of his wives knew!?
B. How Suliman died for almost one year and he was not served any food!?
C. How Suliman was dead for almost one year and he didn't decompose or rot!?
D. How Suliman was dead for almost one year and he didn't receive ANY visitors!?
3. If I told you this same story concerning the king of my town, will you believe me or acclaim that my story is crazy or a lie?


Please, answer with LOGIC and TRUTH why you think this story is logically FACTUAL!