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Banilla:
Thank you

To make it easier to read the tanakh, which christians call Old Testament, read it in the original language and not in Christian versions like king james VERSION etc.

Banilla:
I know Christians who believe the garden of Eden existed, Adam and Eve too, that the entire story actually happened... Here's my opinion.

God- good

Satan- bad

Adam and Eve being naked and innocent - human children

Snake- temptations associated with sexual maturity

Forbidden fruit- sex

Adam and Eve hiding because they were naked- being conscious of ourselves when we hit puberty

Adam's punishment- responsibility (growing up and becoming na man who has to toil)

Eve's punishment- the pain of childbirth (womanhood)

Cain and abel- represent how sin follows sex, humans are evil only after reaching sexual maturity. Though there are some good people.

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The fruit of good and bad means when humans sexually mature, we become aware; we lose our innocence and become capable of committing evil. It's just the knowledge that comes with adulthood.

It's not a moral lesson... But a telling of our lives, of humanity.

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I'm just making this story make sense... Maybe it had a meaning the writers wanted us to understand.

I'm not religious, just curious

I think it's more likely that these stories was the mythologising of ecological collapse, renewal and the human thirst for knowledge that the ancients inevitably witnessed in a recurring fashion. A tale to remind themselves that natural disasters were a display of divine powers and renewal was a show of divine compassion while reminding themselves of the dangers of seeking knowledge. Can you imagine living in a world with devastating rains, winds and flash floods, with no fire, no farming skills, no hunting skills and no other species with the capacity to communicate with spoken language. Such a world would be be very scary and venturing outside of whatever enclave you and your tribe know would be very dangerous and terrifying to contemplate.

Maynman:
To make it easier read the tanakh, which christians call Old Testament in the original language and not im Christian versions like king james VERSION etc.

thank you very much... I'll get it online?

Banilla:
thank you very much... I'll get it online?

Of course.

Banilla:
I clearly stated that the punishment were just responsibility for men and womanhood for women. Which is very natural. Even male animals do the work provide shelter and food while the females conceive, give birth and raise the children...

God doesn't exist. The devil doesn't either. Sexual maturity is awareness and that's what the fruit represents. Obviously, after sexual maturity comes children and responsiblity.

I think you should retink your interpretation then because you wrote the words: Sexual/mental maturity is bad.

Banilla:
Fine, answer these.
1. What race/ethnicity were they? (Adam and Eve)
2. Who were the people already living on earth? When God marked Cain...
3. Did we all descend from Adam and Eve? How? Also explain why there are so many races...
4. Where was the garden of Eden? What happened to it?

According to the story...
1. Human
2. None since Adam and Eve are the progenitors of all who exist.
3. Yes
4. The garden was God's personal garden and so could be anywhere

All the answers you seek are right there in the story. You just need to accept it or reject it in its entirety and move on.

LordReed:
I think it's more likely that these stories was the mythologising of ecological collapse, renewal and the human thirst for knowledge that the ancients inevitably witnessed in a recurring fashion. A tale to remind themselves that natural disasters were a display of divine powers and renewal was a show of divine compassion while reminding themselves of the dangers of seeking knowledge . Can you imagine living in a world with devastating rains, winds and flash floods, with no fire, no farming skills, no hunting skills and no other species with the capacity to communicate with spoken language. Such a world would be be very scary and venturing outside of whatever enclave you and your tribe know would be very dangerous and terrifying to contemplate.

I get it. That's the definition of mythology, right? People trying to explain what they don't understand.

This description reminds me of Noah and the flood, the fallen angels and giants too. It was all so chaotic.

The bolded... It's a perfect quote.

LordReed:
I think you should retink your interpretation then because you wrote the words: Sexual/mental maturity is bad.

Because I'm interpreting the origin story. The forbidden fruit is considered bad by Christians. It might be confusing but you've answered the question.

I'm seeing things from their point of view while interpreting the story.

Personally, I think sex is good.

Dtruthspeaker:
And I am telling you to bring whatever you think is wrong for us to examine it and see if it is truly wrong, so fire away! I can still address one or 2 before sleep sends me to heaven.

Are you praying for your death?

Banilla:
After this, don't you dare speak to me again.

Every generation has been looking for the Author and no one has a clue to who it is.

No one can write about a thing he did not witness for himself in present tense It is only a person who witnesses an event, that can talk about it in present tense.

And if course it is not possible for any human to have been present at the beginning but the Bible did tell us severally that Christ was there John 1:1-4, everyone knows this, Proverbs 8:22--30

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:

26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

A book cannot write itself.

The truth will set you free, but first it will make you miserable .James A. Garfield

It's your own life and death. Choose life that ye may live, if you like!

Kobojunkie:
According to the story...
1. Human
2. None since Adam and Eve are the progenitors of all who exist.
3. Yes
4. The garden was God's personal garden and so could be anywhere

All the answers you seek are right there in the story. You just need to accept it or reject it in its entirety and move on.

oh please. We have many races and many more ethnicities... There is no such thing as the human race. I get that we're all the same but you can't explain the difference.

So God marked Cain why?

How did we descend from them? Thousand of years of inbreeding created you and I? That's smart.

But you don't know where... No Christian does.

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You don't know how you came to be. So maybe that short, inconsistent book isn't a story of your origin but something else.

Banilla:
This true. Humans wrote the Bible. I was wondering if there was something to the story.

But thank you for this.

The old testament is a puzzle.

There is something to every story. At the very least, we humans can make something to a story.

I, for instance, make the Garden of Eden story one of emancipation, as in, it frees people from slavery. However, many seem to allow the same story to be used to enslave themselves.

The Old Testament, and new, is indeed a puzzle. A puzzle that attempting to solve helps one, and communities, grow and develop and evolve. Just that evolution is so slow that its happening is mostly unseen.

Banilla:
■ oh please. We have many races and many more ethnicities... There is no such thing as the human race. I get that we're all the same but you can't explain the difference.
■So God marked Cain why?
■ How did we descend from them? Thousand of years of inbreeding created you and I? That's smart.
■ But you don't know where... No Christian does.
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You don't know how you came to be. So maybe that short, inconsistent book isn't a story of your origin but something else.

1. You answered your question right there.
2. The answer to your question is also right there in the story.
3. Do you mean inbreeding could not have yielded humanity as we know it?
4. A garden where time supposedly runs differently than it does on earth... I am certain it is somewhere no man can find it. So why would I care for it again?

sonmvayina:
Are you praying for your death?

Yes! I have finished my game in this world and the highest of my wants is to run and report to Him all that has transpired and I have seen.

Banilla:
■ Because I'm interpreting the origin story. The forbidden fruit is considered bad by Christians. It might be confusing but you've answered the question. I'm seeing things from their point of view while interpreting the story.Personally, I think sex is good.

1. The forbidden fruit was not bad at all. What was instead wrong was disobedience of God's commandment. Adam and Eve stole from the tree that belonged only to God. That is what is bad.

If you must know, the fruit Adam was told not to eat/steal from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil aka Truth turns out to be Jesus Christ. The Tree of Life was also packaged in the person of Jesus Christ — eternal Life.

Dtruthspeaker:
Yes! I have finished my game in this world and the highest of my wants is to run and report to Him all that has transpired and I have seen.

Be careful what you wish for...

He has placed both life and death in front of us....He is not dumb for asking us to choose life...

Kobojunkie:
1. The forbidden fruit was not bad at all. What was instead wrong was disobedience of God's commandment. Adam and Eve stole from the tree that belonged only to God. That is what is bad.

If you must know, the fruit Adam was told not to eat/steal from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil aka Truth turns out to be Jesus Christ. The Tree of Life was also packaged in the person of Jesus Christ — eternal Life.

I wan go sleep...

My ear and eye don full...

sonmvayina:
I wan go sleep...

My ear and eye don full...

Absu was the one that created things here, what did you say marduk create again?

Banilla:
Fine, answer these.

2. Who were the people already living on earth? When God marked Cain...

The people created in Genesis 1 who rule over the earth and the sea. They ate the fruit Adam and Eve tended in the garden.

3. Did we all descend from Adam and Eve? How? Also explain why there are so many races...

No. Some are descended from those created before Adam and Eve, thereby creating many races. Some are even descended from those who created in the first place.

P.s. This is going by the reading the Bible alone. Other readings go much further backwards and beyond.

Banilla:
I get it. That's the definition of mythology, right? People trying to explain what they don't understand.

This description reminds me of Noah and the flood, the fallen angels and giants too. It was all so chaotic.

The bolded... It's a perfect quote.

Yes, story telling as a way of chronicling and instruction.

I really wish people didn't take these stories quite so literally.

Kobojunkie:
The writer of the book leads us to believe this to be the case.

Writers of books always wish you be led that what they wrote is the case. Some succeed better than others too.

sonmvayina:
Be careful what you wish for...

He has placed both life and death in front of us....He is not dumb for asking us to choose life...

See love of the world.

Only those who have no Life love the world and do not know that Life is After death, hence why God said, "whoever wants to save his life must lose it."

Dtruthspeaker:
Yes! I have finished my game in this world and the highest of my wants is to run and report to Him all that has transpired and I have seen.

No wonder.

Kobojunkie:
The writer isn't here for you to question, is he?

Also, you do not question someone by offering up what amounts to your personal opinions as a better meaning to their account of events particularly since you were privy to the details of the event in question, do you?

How are viable arguments against mythological history my opinion?

Okay, Do you have any idea how the garden and the world operated? Assuming the stuff in genesis was true. No death.

This is an experiment I've carried out before multiple times. As long as we are in a closed system, were resources are bountiful, organism will proliferate until there reach a tipping point where death rate increases until anither tipping point is reached.

Do you mean, adam and his offspring couldn't have run out resources? Mind you, their reproductive rate would be infinite.

kkins25:
■ How are viable arguments against mythological history my opinion?
■ Okay, Do you have any idea how the garden and the world operated?
■ Assuming the stuff in genesis was true. No death. This is an experiment I've carried out before multiple times. As long as we are in a closed system, were resources are bountiful, organism will proliferate until there reach a tipping point where death rate increases until anither tipping point is reached.
■ Do you mean, adam and his offspring couldn't have run out resources? Mind you, their reproductive rate would be infinite.

1. A viable argument against mythological history?

2. Why would I have insight into what happened in this garden and how the world operated abeg? No, be the same book we dey read from?

3. A closed system where no deaths were allowed. Aren't you making a little too many assumptions here, to begin with, one of them being that in a closed system without deaths, the only direction that would exist in such a case would be toward your equally assumed tipping point?

4. I think you need to read and process what is actually presented in the story so you get a sense of how these assumptions of yours are just that assumptions.

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Here are a couple of things to bear in mind in regard to the story of Adam and Eve as presented by the writer in the Bible. While in the garden of Eden,

■ Adam and Eve were not eternal beings meaning your assumption that there somehow existed a closed system that would eventually reach your assumed tipping point did not apply even then.
■ As for their having an infinite reproductive rate, that too is an assumption given that there is no record of Eve becoming pregnant while in the garden of Eden, or immediately after leaving the garden.

Kobojunkie:
■ Adam and Eve were not eternal beings meaning your assumption that there somehow existed a closed system that would eventually reach your assumed tipping point did not apply even then.
■ As for their having an infinite reproductive rate, that too is an assumption given that there is no record of Eve becoming pregnant while in the garden of Eden, or immediately after leaving the garden.

You would be one of the first to admit the bold ■ and your second is partly obviously true, since "Immediate after" is subjective, a la day like a thousand years.

Are you saying, 'Adam would have died at some point in time', in Eden or not and regardless?

spits

Dtruthspeaker:
See love of the world.

Only those who have no Life love the world and do not know that Life is After death, hence why God said, "whoever wants to save his life must lose it."

So how does one loose their life?

Nia69
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Banilla:
Nia69
I'm outta data, so I can't send a message on WhatsApp. But I need you do so something. Search 'Nia' on the Nairaland search box. First ten posts or so.

Alright dear.

Banilla:
Nia69
I'm outta data, so I can't send a message on WhatsApp. But I need you do so something. Search 'Nia' on the Nairaland search box. First ten posts or so.

I've done that, is there something you want me to know?

LordReed:
I don't agree. If sex was bad how were they supposed to reproduce? What was all the sex organs for if they weren't meant to have sex?

Biological decor I suppose