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kkins25:
The distinction doesn't matter because a fetus is human but in a different stage. What is a human?

budaatum:
If it has offspinged from her it is not inside her, and a human that kills an offspring outside of it is a murderer. In some places, we'd even imprison you for murdering an inspring foetus, like if you kick a 3 month old in her pregnant belly or if a pregnant person aborts a 7 month foetus. But on the whole, prior to offspring, my body my choice.

Washington

First-degree manslaughter includes intentional, unlawful killing of an unborn quick child by inflicting injury on its mother.

DeusXmachina:
Is an egg the same as a chicken?

I'm sorry, but no there is a distinction between a fetus and a baby, and that does matter.
It's the subject of viability.

Yes you are correct it is a stage in human development, but that wasn't my argument.

Are you asking what makes a person, or just the scientific definition of a human?

kkins25:
Theres is also the law that says

"Every person has the right to life and has the right not to be arbitrarily deprived of life."
I'm sure Life here means "human" which includes fetuses.
Although the mum the care giver, she is not the baby. T

kkins25:
Is a person different from a human again? Kindly enlighten me.

wirinet:
Now the man wastes millions of living cells (sperm) while the women wastes an egg every month for about 40 years. So what's the fuss about a few gametes or zygote?

The anti-abortionist argument is simply religious. There is no other justification for forcing a woman to carry a pregnancy she does not want.

There is an evolutionary reason that alligators kill their offspring. It might have to do with chances of survival. It might have to do with reducing the number of offspring to a manageable number. Remember alligators can lay up to 50 eggs.

DeusXmachina:
You didn't really answer my question

Are you looking for the philosophical definition of a person.
Or the scientific definition of a human.

These have two different answers.

DeusXmachina:
Legally speaking the right to bodily autonomy, would come before this even at the cost of another's life. "refer to the hypothetical I used"
Even the right to self-defense most times would nulls this.

Unless we're ok with that being overturned and giving the government control over people's body. Which an argument could be made for, like forcing criminals on death row to give up their organs, which could save more lives of people waiting for an organ transplants.

"Evey person..." The argument I've heard is this refers to someone with personhood.
So, does personhood apply to fetuses?

There are multiple opinions on this.
Some say personhood starts at egg fertilization, so something like "morning after" abortion pills would count as murder, by this definition.
Some say it's when the fetus has a heartbeat, other say it's when brain activity is detected.
or 120days after conception.

Countries with legal abortion draw that line at viability or birth. (this is where my beliefs align)

kkins25:
When I kill a fetus its "first degree" murder because I've killed a human

kkins25:
But, when you get pregnant the same baby that is human when killed by another suddenly becomes a bundle of cells.

CoolUsername:
Have you gotten your Jergens ready for Trump's mugshot?

basilico:
Get Trump knows no bounds

kkins25:
1) A[b] zygote[/b] is made up of two fused sets of DNA; 23 from the father, and 23 from the mother.
2) A Zygote is a living thing since it fulfills all the requirements used to define a living thing. MR NIGER D., I should get paid for this you know!
3) A sperm cell is a single cell containing just 23 chromosomes just like the ovum. Although they grow and carry out some form of metabolism, they are not living things and thus cannot be humans. The ZYGOTE IS A HUMAN!
A sperm cell is not a living thing but a zygote is one? You need to go back to High school biology to study the difference between living thing and non living thing.

A zygote is not human yet. It is the beginning of process of making a human. If it fails to implant itself unto the uterus, it is flushed out like a normal period.



Sometime during 2017, We intended to carry out a test, It was to examine the efficacy of Azadirachta Indica, the Neem tree, as a cure for the disease Trypanosoma spp., we needed to use some lab mice as scape-goat, to test our hypothesis.
Do you know that a government body has to be consulted and must confer approval to allow us to use said mice to carry out our test? This is called ethics. It's the same ethics that prevents hospitals from offering to buy kidneys, livers, etc from people. These laws are in place because, although they might seem to limit our independence, they are there to protect YOU and me from dubious individuals.

Now to my point, since the zygote is indeed human, it becomes an ethical conundrum as to whether to defy the law which says, "every individual has the right to live." Don't you think every human has a right to live?

You are only thinking in one dimension, there are other women or men, who'd rather have their mentally incapacitated child "euthanized" than watch them suffer from their condition or continue to be a liability to them in old age. For a woman to decide she has the right to terminate the life of a baby at any period within 9 months, it means they must be a credible and unbeatable argument that grants the woman the greater right over the "right to live" of the child.

There is no difference between a 10-month-old baby and a 5-month-old baby in the sense that both are physically, mentally, and spiritually incapable of surviving on their own. So, if we can "kill" the 5-month-old baby, why not the 10-month-old baby? Do you see why up till now pro-abortionists haven't been able to convince the world to grant them the right to abort babies?

Do not forget, for every law-abiding citizen there is another unlawful citizen. let's tell a tale about china which legalized abortion almost a century ago.

Patriachy hijacks Abortion in China
*China has one of the highest rates of abortion in the world. according to the Guttmacher institute via the Washington Post, 40, 200, 000 abortions have been done from 2015 -2019. when Chinese families realized that their babies were going to be female, they opted to abort them. Do you see how abortion can be exploited? People can discriminate gender-wise.

It would surprise you to know that, china is now implementing policies to restrict abortion and opted to use the "education" route and access to contraceptives instead. even with 1bilion citizens, China is facing the threat of too many old people. Why not kill the old people since they are going to destabilize the economy and their families??

Just because we share 99% of our DNA with monkeys doesn't mean we should act like one. Human society must define a code of conduct that protects each individual from the dangers of mother nature. For this reason, we have laws, which also have branches in the science field.


No, sir, the only reason an alligator can eat her younglings is that the mother doesn't realize it's not food. Crocodiles are ancient creatures you know. They lay 50 eggs because they won't be around to care for them. full stop.

feedthenation:
In other news: Dominion wins rare judgment against Fox News on every legal issue but actual malice before blockbuster trial

In a “rare” ruling, Dominion Voting Systems scored blockbuster victories against Fox News on multiple issues before their upcoming blockbuster trial next month. https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/dominion-wins-rare-judgment-against-fox-news-on-every-legal-issue-but-actual-malice-before-blockbuster-trial/

feedthenation:
---Not one but another hush payment to a playboy model---

https://news.yahoo.com/gma/da-could-hush-money-payment-152653857.html

In addition to former President Donald Trump’s alleged role in the $130,000 hush payment to adult film actress Stormy Daniels, sources familiar with the matter told ABC News the Manhattan District Attorney’s office is also investigating a $150,000 payment to Playboy model Karen McDougal, who, like Daniels, claimed to have had an affair with Trump.

Drameeja:
https://twitter.com/GraphicW5/status/1641855465058336801?s=20[/quote]So is it President Biden's fault? Lol

The downward spiral continues … pic.twitter.com/WUe06Tl9wB

— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) April 1, 2023

Obrigardo:
Can't wait to see their new spin when the indictments are read out.

It's gonna be fun

Meanwhile on Russian state tv..

feedthenation:
---The case in which the Manhattan DA has indicted Donald trump originated with the Mueller investigation---from appendix D of The Mueller Report---

feedthenation:
---The case in which the Manhattan DA has indicted Donald trump originated with the Mueller investigation---from appendix D of The Mueller Report---

Obrigardo:
Hey basilico, saw this from one of your right wing punks. What do you think?

IjeBos:
No US president has went to a British coronation.