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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by dangoteinlaw: 11:00am On Apr 05, 2023
gabbytabby:


Roofing carpentary. Once I got 120k, 150k and 550k and the 550k guy was the one who had done all the carpentary from foundation but because I had done roofing for a bigger project I knew his 550k was way out of line.

I went with the 150k ended up paying 200k cos of variation but he is now my go to construction carpenter (kansho).
I don’t know but if i were you I would sit the 550k own down and get to know what he’s offering then bargain it down to 300k. Out of 10 carpenters not up to 3 actually know what they are doing. Alot of building collapse are as a result of shobby form works by ogogoro capenters.
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by gabbytabby: 12:48pm On Apr 05, 2023
From experience if the quote is ridiculous and you try to negotiate down if they take the work it never ends well and I have had to call someone else in to complete the work or redo it.

Why would I pay someone 300k for a 150k job. This was in 2017 and in that time 150k guy has proven to know his onions( Even with material where he said 350 2by4 the 550k guy said 550 units of 2by4 )and he is my go to guy and I will wait for him than go to another.

dangoteinlaw:
I don’t know but if i were you I would sit the 550k own down and get to know what he’s offering then bargain it down to 300k. Out of 10 carpenters not up to 3 actually know what they are doing. Alot of building collapse are as a result of shobby form works by ogogoro capenters.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by somehow: 12:51pm On Apr 05, 2023
gabbytabby:
From experience if the quote is ridiculous and you try to negotiate down if they take the work it never ends well and I have had to call someone else in to complete the work or redo it.

Why would I pay someone 300k for a 150k job.


If you have a money tree somewhere in your village.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Coiner: 2:00pm On Apr 05, 2023
Olumighty123:


I don't know what your screeder is trying to do but I know L n B is used in measuring SqM, For example, if the room is 4 metres wide, and 6 metres long, 4 x 6 = 24 square metres, that's all.

How about POP, how do you calculate sqm. 🤔
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by DFAMEGUY11S(m): 3:25pm On Apr 05, 2023
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by folmus: 3:29pm On Apr 05, 2023
somehow:


If you have a money tree somewhere in your village.


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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Kentucky404: 4:10pm On Apr 05, 2023
sonnie10:

This guy carry me for mind since how many years ago. What else is witchcraft?

Shenanigan spotted.

cool

That is called stating facts.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by sonnie10: 4:27pm On Apr 05, 2023
Kentucky404:


Shenanigan spotted.

cool

That is called stating facts.
No apologies. Call me anytime and I will say the same thing again.
There are dozens of people begging and probably poor here on Nairaland. When are you going to correct them to stop displaying or exposing their poverty?
You know you can build your resume as a correction officer (nairaland whip) starting from “the beggars , then work yourself up to braggers “

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by sonnie10: 4:44pm On Apr 05, 2023
somehow:


If you have a money tree somewhere in your village.
This is a personal and very private question, You don’t have to answer it if you are not comfortable doing so.

Michilin did some of metal fabrication work for you in Lagos from Nnewi.
I would like to learn from your experience, how you guys navigated the quote submission transportation fee.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by erico2k2(m): 5:26pm On Apr 05, 2023
gabbytabby:


Roofing carpentary. Once I got 120k, 150k and 550k and the 550k guy was the one who had done all the carpentary from foundation but because I had done roofing for a bigger project I knew his 550k was way out of line.

I went with the 150k ended up paying 200k cos of variation but he is now my go to construction carpenter (kansho).
Nah I do not agree with you, I as a roofer do not need to come to your site to give you a quote. I might have a standard price per square meter if I don't, I can use your roof plan or your building plan to estimate the job and give you a quote. I can also give you a quote from a foto you sent to me next phase is quantity of materials once we agree I move to site once I get empowered.
Also with windows, doors.
It could also be said as a mater of fact that the Contractor/Engineer or the supervisor will already have a team he/she uses most times.
Mind you I'm talking from a clients perspective. Asking someone to come from a long way to your site to give a quote and ending up not paying them for the day and giving them just T fare is evil. cos thats a whole day wasted.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by erico2k2(m): 5:38pm On Apr 05, 2023
Coiner:


How about POP, how do you calculate sqm. 🤔
You draw the shape of the ceiling on a paper then you multiply the length
by the Breth there goes ur answer.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by erico2k2(m): 5:41pm On Apr 05, 2023
dangoteinlaw:
That is what they call wisdom in their book, wasting people’s time in the name of “getting a quote”. That’s how one fool made me mobilize a POP guy to his site at the end he didn’t get the job. What pained me was the pop guy left his tape rule at home and i had mine but i urge the pop guy to be a professional by getting his own tape and he spent 3k at that spot to buy a tape all because he relied on my word that the guy in question will surely award him the job. Honestly I wasn’t worried about myself becoz I knew the pop guy has been home for months because job traffic was slow. Inside my car his wife was even calling and praying for him that he will get the job and it all turned out he was just a pawn to one fool who thought he needed to “get a quote”. That is why illiteracy scares the shit out of me because for this life if you happen to be at the bottom of the food chain u go too suffer oh, your life will be used as a game of chess and you might be sacrificed as a pawn to save a knight.
Its Evil bro, I agree with you.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by erico2k2(m): 5:50pm On Apr 05, 2023
FEGEITOK:


First, business is not a charity.

Secondly, running business on sympathy is not the best way to go about business.

Thirdly, no one will win 100 percent of all the jobs he bids for. This is why we spread out tents very wide so that they will have a greater tendency to catch something.

Fourthly, no one owes you anything.

Now about your sob story.

I have been there. I understand the feeling. I treat my artisans well.

I even gave the last but one transport to come and work for me. I gave him several modus of rice (enough to feed his family twice a day for at least a week) when he was going in addition to paying him for his services. I also gave him one of my dress shirts I no longer felt like using. He had complained that he had no food to eat (and I happen to know that he is married) and did not have transportation. But to my chagrin this guy stole money from me. I kept some cash in a drawer and he touched that drawer and the money was gone. Can you imagine how I felt to have discovered that someone I did the above for did that to me? I know because I confronted him and he confessed after he had returned home. One more thing, this guy I allowed him to sleep over a couple of times in order to save some of the money he would have spent on transport back home and back to the site the next day.

My motto in life is that one must treat those he can gain nothing from as well as those he can gain something from. That to me is the true test of character.

The last one that came gave a quote I considered was too high. So I gave him 3 times the amount he spent on transportation to come and dismissed him.

I lent my plumber money when he was served court papers to pack out of his existing accommodation. He came back just last week to ask for more money to the tune of half a million to roof the house he is building, that one I am not willing to give though.

Some of us treat artisans this way because of the bad experiences we have had. But everyone is different and should be judged for who he or she is and not based on what others have done.

But you cannot blame us for refusing to act on sympathy all the time, it’s a dog-eat-dog world out there. And people are out to take advantage especially if they feel you are better situated than them.

They think, let me chop from him small, he get plenty. He no go feel am.
Opportunity will never be distributed equally, some people will do better in life than others.

Even Jesus said we will always have the poor with you at Matthew 26:11.

So if I can help someone, I will help someone. Like I have said above, several individuals liked me at some point in time and stepped in to help me make the money I have made, and the position I have attained, so if I can, I will be helpful because I know that everyone is fighting one challenge or the other.


Bross I think you are missing the point here, Help is deferent but when one demands it's a claim of self entitlement. ofcos you can cook from home and give to your workers on site, I done that on my build, but note they never demanded for it.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by FEGEITOK: 5:57pm On Apr 05, 2023
erico2k2:

Bross I think you are missing the point here, Help is deferent but when one demands it's a claim of self entitlement. ofcos you can cook from home and give to your workers on site, I done that on my build, but note they never demanded for it.

This line above makes the point you are making.

Fourthly, no one owes you anything.


I included the rest of the story to show that one can refuse to agree to a claim of entitlement and yet kind enough to assist someone in the position of some who carry on with a sense of entitlement.

In short by being entitled, they may be missing out on more.

I am also making the point that someone can be favored who did not show signs of being entitled, but they can go ahead and scuttle the opportunity given to them and the opportunities that might have been given to others but for their mistakes.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by GloriousGbola: 6:00pm On Apr 05, 2023
FEGEITOK:


This line above makes the point you are making.

Fourthly, no one owes you anything.


I included the rest of the story to show that one can refuse to agree to a claim of entitlement and yet kind enough to assist someone in the position of some who carry on with a sense of entitlement.

In short by being entitled, they may be missing out on more.

I am also making the point that someone can be favored who did not show signs of being entitled, but they can go ahead and scuttle the opportunity given to them and the opportunities that might have been given to others but for their mistakes.

Some people will be complaining when favor is knocking on their door because if the noise.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by somehow: 6:00pm On Apr 05, 2023
sonnie10:

This is a personal and very private question, You don’t have to answer it if you are not comfortable doing so.

Michilin did some of metal fabrication work for you in Lagos from Nnewi.
I would like to learn from your experience, how you guys navigated the quote submission transportation fee.



I can't remember all the details but I know he never requested for transportation fee.

From the East to Lagos.

You don't expect me not to always consider him first before anyone else for metal work.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by topsy23: 6:02pm On Apr 05, 2023
temizeee:
Hello my people good day,
Please i need your suggestions concerning a project, it’s a 3 bedroom house and we are at the stage of installing plumbing work finishing stage (Wc, pipes to soakaway, shower etc ) but the artistan in charge of digging soakway pit for bathroom drainage and kitchen drainage said we should do fence first because of filling so as to know the level to dig the pits for the drainage…. I don’t know which should come first, is it the fence or we should proceed and dig the drainage and install the pipes and other plumbing works
Thanks in anticipation house I appreciate…..

Tiling should not be a major issue for not digging aoakaway. Let him go ahead and digging

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by michlins(m): 6:06pm On Apr 05, 2023
somehow:


I can't remember all the details but I know he never requested for transportation fee.

From the East to Lagos.

You don't expect me not to always consider him first before anyone else for metal work.
I want to do your job and you want to give me your job so it was easy for us to reach a middle ground.


The first job I came to Lagos to do, the client was generous to pay for my transport to take measurements and didn't even ask me to refund or deduct from the job cost.

The most important thing is someone who wants to offer you his job and you understanding that he owes you nothing and can take his money elsewhere

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by somehow: 6:08pm On Apr 05, 2023
michlins:


The most important thing is someone who wants to offer you his job and you understanding that he owes you nothing and can take his money elsewhere

Unfortunately, alot don't understand this fact.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by FEGEITOK: 6:10pm On Apr 05, 2023
GloriousGbola:


Some people will be complaining when favor is knocking on their door because if the noise.

I was taught never to beg a rich person for money, but to instead show them how useful I could be to them.

You will get the money you wanted form such a person and much more.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by dangoteinlaw: 6:14pm On Apr 05, 2023
FEGEITOK:


I was taught never to beg a rich person for money, but to instead show them how useful I could be to them.

You will get the money you wanted form such a person and much more.

I agree however that is if the client is keen on giving you the job and trust your competency however a client with 6 quotes on ground looking at getting 10 quotes to arrive his decision will be a total waste of time and resource for you. Even if you eventually win the bid it won’t be tangible.

We all know this job comes rarely no matter how good you are so the goal is to get a job that will be worth ones time and effort however these are what clients fail to understand most times. I am speaking from an artisan perspective because a professional engineer understands the sacrifices to win a bid but the cost is all included to the operational sum howe for an artisan that makes not much profit but just to get by the day it is only fair that you at least show appreciation that he honored your call which it migh be that he had to abandon another job he might currently be on just to make it to your site.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by erico2k2(m): 6:14pm On Apr 05, 2023
FEGEITOK:


This line above makes the point you are making.

Fourthly, no one owes you anything.


I included the rest of the story to show that one can refuse to agree to a claim of entitlement and yet kind enough to assist someone in the position of some who carry on with a sense of entitlement.

In short by being entitled, they may be missing out on more.

I am also making the point that someone can be favored who did not show signs of being entitled, but they can go ahead and scuttle the opportunity given to them and the opportunities that might have been given to others but for their mistakes.
Im seriously struggling to understand your post
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Kentucky404: 6:19pm On Apr 05, 2023
sonnie10:

No apologies. Call me anytime and I will say the same thing again.
There are dozens of people begging and probably poor here on Nairaland. When are you going to correct them to stop displaying or exposing their poverty?
You know you can build your resume as a correction officer (nairaland whip) starting from “the beggars , then work yourself up to braggers “

It is obvious you will forever be foolish.

Your Yearly income is someone's weekly shopping 🛍 bill. Your Net worth is someone else monthly income.
There are different levels to this shit.

Don't you ever come on here and try intimidate humble service providers who are trying to earn a living for themselves with your cheap wealth.
Yen yen yen yen someone from warri yen yen got the job yen yen worth 8M yenhen yeenhen.
Yeye boy if you invite wizkid to come and check the place where he would work (sing) for you, flights tickets will be paid for. You can contact his management for confirmation. Silly Asshole
#25K Transportation fare and you are already barking like a mad dog. angry

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by dangoteinlaw: 6:26pm On Apr 05, 2023
sonnie10:

No apologies. Call me anytime and I will say the same thing again.
There are dozens of people begging and probably poor here on Nairaland. When are you going to correct them to stop displaying or exposing their poverty?
You know you can build your resume as a correction officer (nairaland whip) starting from “the beggars , then work yourself up to braggers “
wow, i really can’t imagine that an adult will be talking like this. How much do you really think you ve made in life to even refer to others as poor. Na wa ooo

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by sonnie10: 6:57pm On Apr 05, 2023
dangoteinlaw:
wow, i really can’t imagine that an adult will be talking like this. How much do you really think you ve made in life to even refer to others as poor. Na wa ooo
You don’t know me and you don’t know which group I belong.

The Bible says, as long as the earth exist, the poor will live with us.
Here where I live, the government has specific benchmark that says who is living below poverty line. In other word, it says who is poor.
Even WHO has its definition of poverty.
These are not my inventions, so deal with reality of life or continue to bury your head in the sand.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by sonnie10: 7:16pm On Apr 05, 2023
Kentucky404:


It is obvious you will forever be foolish.

Your Yearly income is someone's weekly shopping 🛍 bill. Your Net worth is someone else monthly income.
There are different levels to this shit.

Don't you ever come on here and try intimidate humble service providers who are trying to earn a living for themselves with your cheap wealth.
Yen yen yen yen someone from warri yen yen got the job yen yen worth 8M yenhen yeenhen.
Yeye boy if you invite wizkid to come and check the place where he would work (sing) for you, flights tickets will be paid for. You can contact his management for confirmation. Silly Asshole
#25K Transportation fare and you are already barking like a mad dog. angry
I can only take you serous if you can show me just one person you have patronized or worked for in this forum. You have no stake here.
Just a distraction.
Immediately you started mentioning Wizkid and all that, honestly my mind told me I was messing with a teenager.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by bobkezel(m): 7:25pm On Apr 05, 2023
michlins:
I want to do your job and you want to give me your job so it was easy for us to reach a middle ground.


The first job I came to Lagos to do, the client was generous to pay for my transport to take measurements and didn't even ask me to refund or deduct from the job cost.

The most important thing is someone who wants to offer you his job and you understanding that he owes you nothing and can take his money elsewhere
There's no fast rule to determine someone who wants to offer you his job.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by FEGEITOK: 7:33pm On Apr 05, 2023
erico2k2:

Im seriously struggling to understand your post

I am summarizing my post, the post that you quoted.

I am telling you that the bolded which was copied from the original post you quoted says the very same thing you are saying.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by michlins(m): 7:35pm On Apr 05, 2023
bobkezel:

There's no fast rule to determine someone who wants to offer you his job.
sometimes, I meet clients who be like

"You will do this job for me, tell me your price and make it competitive"
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by FEGEITOK: 7:36pm On Apr 05, 2023
FEGEITOK:


I even gave the last but one transport to come and work for me. I gave him several modus of rice (enough to feed his family twice a day for at least a week) when he was going in addition to paying him for his services. I also gave him one of my dress shirts I no longer felt like using. He had complained that he had no food to eat (and I happen to know that he is married) and did not have transportation. But to my chagrin this guy stole money from me. I kept some cash in a drawer and he touched that drawer and the money was gone. Can you imagine how I felt to have discovered that someone I did the above for did that to me? I know because I confronted him and he confessed after he had returned home. One more thing, this guy I allowed him to sleep over a couple of times in order to save some of the money he would have spent on transport back home and back to the site the next day.

By the way, the guy I said took money from me above is now asking for my account number to pay in the money that he doesn't wish to touch the money.

I just saw the SMS now.

I am sure he knows what he was going to miss and wants to forestall it.

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