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DesignMaestro:
I don't think the FCT issue is even any strong. Lawyers are politicizing the issue even though the language is clear. 25% in 2/3 of the states and FCT simply means 2/3 of the 36 states and FCT, meaning FCT might complement the number of states to achieve the 2/3.

The constitution didn't say ..."in 2/3 of the states and IN FCT. That 'IN' in bold would have made it care that aside from 25% in 2/3 of the states, a candidate must also have 25% in FCT.

Some people would say ... but the lawyers who argue in favour of the 25% requirement in FCT aren't fools. Of course they aren't fools; it is normal for lawyers to explore technicalities in language to swing a case in their favour even if the implicit meaning of the language or clause is well understood

The point is that it can in all honesty be interpreted either way. Is FCT a state? Technicalities can swing it with a strong argument.

DesignMaestro:
They are capitalising on their own computations. This is ridiculous! I'm not surprised, knowing how watery their claim is, they prayed to the tribunal for outright cancellation of the exercise on the ground of the unlawful votes.

I think the strategy they're using is to repeat a lie several times so that it becomes the truth.

They are attacking the credibility of INEC and, sadly, the judiciary. Nay, they're also trying to attack the credibility of the entire country

This is like trying to set a house on fire because of a rat. Only a dangerous and evil person does that.

They've done and overdone it so much that they're unaware of how much ground they themselves have lost and still losing.

Many of the erstwhile moderate LP supporters have become irritated and disappointed and have moved on and away from the despicable behaviour and conduct. Only the fanatics remain.

If the election were held again today, LP would struggle to score half of those votes due to the disappointing post election rash and uncouth behaviour.

naijapips04:
And the FCT.

check your constitution and see how many requirements,
Is not three requirements but two

muykem:
The constitution is very clear and unambiguous. FCT is one of the state in Nigeria, it's expressly stated in the constitution.

pls qoute the part of the constitution were it's expressly stated that FCT is one of the states in Nigeria..

Omowale2023:
Can you be admitted if you get 8As' and F9 in English?

Nope!

Ab initio, you are told that you need to have at least 5 credits INCLUDING Mathematics and English out of 8 or 9 papers taken to get admitted into a university. That means Maths and English must be part of the 5 credits you get!!

Stop comparing the 2 scenarios

naijapips04:
The point is that it can in all honesty be interpreted either way. Is FCT a state? Technicalities can swing it with a strong argument.

It can't be interpreted either way! FCT shall be considered as a state as regards the provision.

Globad:
I think the strategy they're using is to repeat a lie several times so that it becomes the truth.

They are attacking the credibility of INEC and, sadly, the judiciary. Nay, they're also trying to attack the credibility of the entire country

This is like trying to set a house on fire because of a rat. Only a dangerous and evil person does that.

They've done and overdone it so much that they're unaware of how much ground they themselves have lost and still losing.

Many of the erstwhile liberal LP supporters have become irritated and disappointed and have moved on and away from the despicable behaviour and conduct. Only the fanatics remain.

If the election were held again today, LP would struggle to score half of those votes due to the disappointing post election rash and uncouth behaviour.

Exactly

DesignMaestro:
Exactly

I saw a post by some obidients getting excited and puffing about Obi. They said he was several steps ahead of APC because he put his personal name in this petition before he put the name of his party, Labour.

They ascribed foresight to him because of this. Meanwhile, including one's personal name in a petition is normal and ordinary.

Atiku did it in 2019. What's so special in it?

But not so to the Obidients. Everything that Obi does is unprecedented and saintly.

naijapips04:
The point is that it can in all honesty be interpreted either way. Is FCT a state? Technicalities can swing it with a strong argument.

Yes, of course. But it is extremely unlikely in this case. We are talking about a ruling party here. Such wily twist of interpretation would have been more likely if the petitioners are the ruling party.

Globad:
I saw a post by some obidients getting excited and puffing about Obi. They said he was several steps ahead of APC because he put his personal name in this petition before he put the name of his party, Labour.

They ascribed foresight to him because of this. Meanwhile, including one's personal name in a petition is normal and ordinary.

Atiku did it in 2019. What's so special it it?

But not so to the Obidients. Everything that Obi does is unprecedented and saintly.

They are like a cult and he is their never-do-wrong supremo

Ngorbungor:
Can you please tell us the meaning of " IN, AND, OR ", don't stop there, give us an example each using those words.

Whatever explanation or example I'd give will has to be within the context of the subject matter. That said, the constitution says:

...25% in 2/3 of the states AND the FCT.

Neither did it say...

...25% in 2/3 of the states and IN the FCT

Nor...

...25% in 2/3 of the states OR the FCT.

Base on the above, I will explain as you requested. In the first phrase, AND joins the 36 states with the FCT, a territory that has to be mentioned separately because of its unique status. This simply means that FCT might help a candidate to meet the requirement as a part of the sum, e.g., Abuja and 23 other states.

In the second phrase (which is not the case in the constitution), AND IN simply implies that 25% in 2/3 of the states and 25% in the FCT. In this case FCT becomes mandatory.

The third phrase, implies either 25% in 2/3 of the states or just 25% in the FCT.

This is just a normal loophole lawyers explore to back their argument. Such argument can only work if the judiciary is willing to play a wily game of swinging the law in favour of the petitioner on technical ground and who is in the best position to play such game if not the ruling party?

muykem:
I have studied presidential election petitions and courts judgements since 1999 and discovered that 2023 petitions are the most worthless and useless of them all. It cannot upturn local government chairman election. The petitioners went to court on 4 grounds.
1. 25% in FCT. Supreme Court past ruling, all Nigerians votes are equal and so no golden votes. FCT is just one of states in nigeria as it relate to election and stated in theconstitution.
2. Tinubu indictment of drugs: Supreme Court past judgment, only Court of competent jurisdiction indictment can prevent a candidate. Tinubu was never arraigned or indicted by any court.
3. VP elect double nomination: VP name was never sent to INEC as a Senate candidate. Mere expression of intention is not equal to nomination.
4. Non transmission of results real time: There's no existing law make transmission of results real time a compulsory for INEC.
INEC substantially complied with electoral act.

you are afraid of the outcome. Failure to comply with the INEC law is enough to declare the election null and void.
He was nominated by the party as a senator, he was also nominated by tinubu to be vice president. That is what we called double nominations.

Femmyfamous4u:
It is very very very possible. If the occupants of Abuja are majority of a tribe not inclined to the leading candidate or are very in tune with another political party.

But the problem is that all the tribes are fully represented in Abuja. If the candidate is very popular among all the tribes, there is no way he would perform badly in the FCT since he was accepted nationwide

tungamaje:
But the problem is that all the tribes are fully represented in Abuja. If the candidate is very popular among all the tribes, there is no way he would perform badly in the FCT since he was accepted nationwide

have you considered the percentage of urban dwellers in Abuja, percentage of christians or muslims or percentage of churches with large followers hip.the basis of your argument is too pedestrian.

Skyfly07:
pls qoute the part of the constitution were it's expressly stated that FCT is one of the states in Nigeria..

Section 299(1) of the Constitution provides that the provisions of the Constitution shall apply to the Federal Capital Territory as if it were one of the states of the Federation. It means that the FCT is the 37th state.

Opolopoopolonio:
Nope!

Ab initio, you are told that you need to have at least 5 credits INCLUDING Mathematics and English out of 8 or 9 papers taken to get admitted into a university. That means Maths and English must be part of the 5 credits you get!!

Stop comparing the 2 scenarios

Can you be admitted if you get 4As' and D7 in English. Based on the standard requirements to enter a university?

striker07:
have you considered the percentage of urban dwellers in Abuja, percentage of christians or muslims or percentage of churches with large followers hip.the basis of your argument is too pedestrian.

Oga mi, I know what I am saying. There is no way one would win nationwide and not score impressively in Abuja because all the tribes are equally represented here. Abuja is not dominated by any tribe

Abuja is governed by the president through the fct minister. How can you not have legitimacy were you dey govern? You want kpeme?

tungamaje:
Oga mi, I know what I am saying. There is no way one would win nationwide and not score impressively in Abuja because all the tribes are equally represented here. Abuja is not dominated by any tribe

have you wondered why some yorubas in Lagos preferred obi as against yorubas in ondo state.are they not all yoruba?.. you are only focusing on ethnicity neglecting other factors, this is not sufficient.

Omowale2023:
Can you be admitted if you get 4As' and D7 in English. Based on the standard requirements to enter a university?

There requirement is 5 credits INCLUDING Mathematics and English.

In the case of the electoral requirement, it's 25% of the 2/3rds of the 36 states and FCT NOT 25% in 2/3rds of the 36 states including FCT

Got it

tuborme:
Abuja is governed by the president through the fct minister. How can you not have legitimacy were you dey govern? You want kpeme?

Trash! Abuja is considered a state as regards the provision.

The president governs the whole country

I wonder if Op had thoroughly gone through all the petitions before saying this. Are there no mutilation of results? Are there no votes suppression?

Concerning the drug issue, can hushpuppy become a president in Nigeria?

You are more sensible than this epistle.

For me, I am only patiently waiting for the decision. I know, it will be a very interesting case.

Opolopoopolonio:
There requirement is 5 credits INCLUDING Mathematics and English.

In the case of the electoral requirement, it's 25% of the 2/3rds of the 36 states and FCT NOT 25% in 2/3rds of the 36 states including FCT

Got it

Beautiful.
Is the president of Abuja aslo the governor of abuja?

Omowale2023:
Beautiful.
Is the president of Abuja aslo the governor of abuja?

What is the relevance of this question?

It is no longer "Tinubu rigged".
Asiwaju we want