TenQ:

Why do you Muslims LIE so much?
It's like LIEs is in your DNA!

You will even tell lies in translating your Qur'an. Who are you deceiving!

You DECEIVE YOURSELVES just as you DECEIVE OTHERS! yhwh is indeed the best Deceiver!

TenQ:
LegalWolf, Advocatejare and FxMasterz ,


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Christians or Muslim Scholars?

TenQ:
We have at least up to this point established that
1. Either yhwh made a mistake or
2. Muslims translation of the Quran CANNOT be trusted one bit.
3.:The average Christian crowd/drown out these disturbing negative facts about Islam with more religious activities.


I've always said:
Muslims are those who say to themselves:
"Don't confuse me with the Truth because I have made up my Mind "


Cc:
LegalWolf, advocatejare FxMasterz

TenQ:
Did Allah make a mistake in his Qur'an?

Islam had been vocal people worshipping one God and I fact, the greatest sin in Islam Shirk is associating partners with God.

However,
In Qur'an 9:37, we see Allah implying that people should worship him AND the Messiah. Modern Muslim scholars are trying to hard to misrepresent the Arabic of the verse to read something milder, however in the Arabic, the damage is already done

Qur'an 9:31
They (Jews and Christians) have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah and the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.


An Interlinear translation of the Qur'an is attached for Muslims who intend to use a mistranslated version of the Qur'an.
Paraphrased, Allah is reporting that the Jews and Christians have taken their Rabbis and Monks as Lord INSTEAD of Allah AND the Messiah


Note:
Let's discuss what the Qur'an truly says rather than what we feel the Qur'an is saying.

Questions:
1. Knowing that the Qur'an is clear and simple to understand, is Allah associating the Messiah as partners with him?
2. Is this Quranic verse an error or mistake OR is it exactly what Allah intend to say?
3. Does Allah truly want us to make the Messiah LORD with him?



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AntiChristian:


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What is an interlinear translation of the Qu'ran?

Are your Normal Bible translations ever in such (interlinear)?

MightySparrow:
Islam is a mistake.

shadeyinka:
Of course.
It is clear as the day that
The verse is either a Mistake!

Why?

Other parts of the Qur'an denies the Messiah.

MightySparrow:
Islam is a mistake.

shadeyinka:
Of course.
It is clear as the day that
The verse is either a Mistake!

Why?

Other parts of the Qur'an denies the Messiah.

AntiChristian:
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So interlinear translation is what the Holly spirit directs you to today?

Okay, Islam has context and ahadith so the texts are translated appropriately!

It's not all verses that can be subjected to a word by word translation. Many would be contextual with the Qu'ran and Hadith!

AntiChristian:

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I think you should check the interlinear translation of the Bible below such that most translations couldn't agree on the correct number of years!

So whose mistake is this below as i no fit abuse your Gods as you do mine?

The book of 1Samuel 13:1 and its translation in versions of the Bible has caused a great embarrassment for Christian apologists:

1.NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION
Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty- two years.

2. ENGLISH STANDARD VERSION
Saul lived for one year and then became king, and when he had reigned for two years over Israel.

3. KING JAMES BIBLE
Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel

4. NET BIBLE
Saul was [thirty] years old when he began to reign; he ruled over Israel for [forty] years.

5. NEW AMERICAN STANDARD BIBLE 1977
Saul was forty years old when he began to reign, and he reigned thirty-two years over Israel.

6. JPS TANAKH 1917
Saul was --years old when he began to reign; and two years he reigned over Israel.

7. AMERICAN STANDARD VERSION
Saul was forty years old when he began to reign; and when he had reigned two years over Israel

8. YOUNG'S LITERAL VERSION
A son of a year is Saul in his reigning, yea, two years he hath reigned over Israel

Use your interlinear Bible and pick the correct translation and tell us why the Holly spirit directed the other wrong translators to tell lies with such mistakes as you similarly abused Islam?
You're the mistake!
That's what is called contextual interpretation! The mistake only exists in your brain!
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TenQ:
Even BUDAATUM now know that it is difficult being the Devil's Advocate!

AntiChristian:
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So interlinear translation is what the Holly spirit directs you to today?

Okay, Islam has context and ahadith so the texts are translated appropriately!

It's not all verses that can be subjected to a word by word translation. Many would be contextual with the Qu'ran and Hadith!
….................................…...........................
I think you should check the interlinear translation of the Bible below such that most translations couldn't agree on the correct number of years!

So whose mistake is this below as i no fit abuse your Gods as you do mine?

The book of 1Samuel 13:1 and its translation in versions of the Bible has caused a great embarrassment for Christian apologists:

1.NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION
Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty- two years.

2. ENGLISH STANDARD VERSION
Saul lived for one year and then became king, and when he had reigned for two years over Israel.

3. KING JAMES BIBLE
Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel

4. NET BIBLE
Saul was [thirty] years old when he began to reign; he ruled over Israel for [forty] years.

5. NEW AMERICAN STANDARD BIBLE 1977
Saul was forty years old when he began to reign, and he reigned thirty-two years over Israel.

6. JPS TANAKH 1917
Saul was --years old when he began to reign; and two years he reigned over Israel.

7. AMERICAN STANDARD VERSION
Saul was forty years old when he began to reign; and when he had reigned two years over Israel

8. YOUNG'S LITERAL VERSION
A son of a year is Saul in his reigning, yea, two years he hath reigned over Israel

Use your interlinear Bible and pick the correct translation and tell us why the Holly spirit directed the other wrong translators to tell lies with such mistakes as you similarly abused Islam?



You're the mistake!


That's what is called contextual interpretation! The mistake only exists in your brain!

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TenQ:

Of course, Qur'an 9:31 is a MISTAKE!


The Question now is:
Who made the Mistake?

Was it Allah?

budaatum:


buda does not advocate for imaginary things.

MightySparrow:



Islam itself is the mistake. There is no Allah anywhere. Mohammed' s Allah doesn't exist. Mohammed miscopied Jewish scriptures and mixed it with Arabian folklore.


How can Allah say that sperm comes from spinal cord? He doesn't know what he created?
How can Allah say that the Sun sets murky water?
How can Allah say that if the female sperm comes out first during intercourse the baby would be girl and vice versa.

MightySparrow:



Can you please make your explanation clearer

TenQ:

Buda started with this before backing out. Why did you abandon your defence for Islam?

budaatum:


I was not defending Islam. I was pointing out your shoddy reasoning but decided to let you be.

43Ronin:
Come be like say Allah dey do attaché by force to Jesus. Like say e wan Jesus blow

MightySparrow:



Can you please make your explanation clearer

TenQ:

The perfect dictated words of Allah has to be panel beated by Hadith to fit into contexts!?

Did Allah give anyone the licence to adjust the clear meaning of the Qur'an?

Honestly, I don't understand you.

Qur'an 9:31 is unambiguous for any Arabic speaker. It says exactly what it is
Qur'an 9:31
They (Jews and Christians) have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah and the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.


And not your deceitful re-engineering of words

1 Samuel 13:1 is probably the most difficult verse to translate from Hebrew because It simply contain an unfamiliar expression in Hebrew which reads

[b]Masoretic Text
בן שׁנה שׁאול במלכו ושׁתי שׁנים מלך על ישׂראל

"One Year Saul Reigned and Two Years When he had Reigned Over Israel "

I guess you should tell us what your interpretation is as I've done with Qur'an 9:31at least you can tell us what Christians are hiding from Muslims.

Christians don't have the problem that human beings wrote their scripture, however for you Muslims, the Qur'an is directly from Allah through Jubril. We therefore expect Allah to be perfect
1. Is it really true that the Qur'an is the exact verbatim words of Allah and has been perfectly preserved even to diacritical marks?
2. Is it true that the Qur'an in your hands are copies of the Eternal Qur'an on tablets in heaven?
3. You may need to tell us which one of the following Qur'ans is the verbatim words of Allah Hafs Qur'an, Warsh Quran, Qaloon Quran, Dooree Quran or Ibn Aamir Quran?
4. Is it true that a tame sheep eat part of the Qur'an of Allah but it is still perfectly preserved?
5.

AntiChristian:


It's in English and not a parable!

You can ask the Holly Spirit!

TenQ:

Muslim apologists are still struggling like gutted fish looking for how to duck tape this error and many more.

How can Alexander the Great be a Muslim who Allah speaks to?

AntiChristian:


The hadiths too are inspired as Allah says in the Qur'an Nor does he speak of (his own) desire. (53:3)

Nothing is adjusted! Just because your holly spirit can't understand it does not make it adjusted!


Say whatever you wish!

The correct understanding is as below, it is a transfer of understanding and context and not just words:
Sahih International: They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah , and [also] the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.

Pickthall: [/b]They have taken as lords beside Allah their rabbis and their monks and the Messiah son of Mary, when they were bidden to worship only One Allah. There is no Allah save Him. Be He Glorified from all that they ascribe as partner (unto Him)!

[b]Yusuf Ali: They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).

Muhammad Sarwar: They (unconditionally) obeyed the rabbis and the monks and worshipped the Messiah, son of Mary, as they should have obeyed God. They were commanded to worship no one besides God who is the only God and who is too exalted to be considered equal to any idols.

Mohsin Khan: [/b]They (Jews and Christians) took their rabbis and their monks to be their lords besides Allah (by obeying them in things which they made lawful or unlawful according to their own desires without being ordered by Allah), and (they also took as their Lord) Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary), while they (Jews and Christians) were commanded [in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)) to worship none but One Ilah (God - Allah) La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He). Praise and glory be to Him, (far above is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him)."

Are your people from there?



[b]Whose mistake is this?

A. God
B. Jesus
C. Human writers of your books
D. Holy Spirit



The interpretation has been given! And even if the verse is read in full it would even be understood as i have said!
And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him. How do you worship one God without associating anyone with Him?

Alhamdulillah for Al-Islam.
Even the Qur'anic Grammar is a miracle!
I pray I and my family die as Muslims!

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THE END!

MightySparrow:


If you are a Yoruba man and you know a little of ifa stories. Yọu will be hearing some funny stories such as cockroach and hen are wives of the same husband and such stupid stories. Hadith is nothing more than that. Quran is a confusion of scriptures.
Antichristian has no choice than celebrating the nonsense. Anyway, that is the level of his mental capacity.

MightySparrow:


If you are a Yoruba man and you know a little of ifa stories. Yọu will be hearing some funny stories such as cockroach and hen are wives of the same husband and such stupid stories. Hadith is nothing more than that. Quran is a confusion of scriptures.
Antichristian has no choice than celebrating the nonsense. Anyway, that is the level of his mental capacity.

AntiChristian:


You are a stubborn boy!
We need to treat your Bleep up Biblically!

Deuteronomy 21:18-21
18 If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 [b]his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.” 21 Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.[/b]

Since you mentioned Ifa it is likely you would understand the Bible verse below better!
He is to take two birds, cedar wood, scarlet yarn, and hyssop to purify the house; and he shall slaughter one of the birds over fresh water in a clay pot. Then he shall take the cedar wood, the hyssop, the scarlet yarn, and the live bird, dip them in the blood of the slaughtered bird and the fresh water, and sprinkle the house seven times. And he shall cleanse the house with the bird’s blood, the fresh water, the live bird, the cedar wood, the hyssop, and the scarlet yarn. Finally, he is to release the live bird into the open fields outside the city. In this way he will make atonement for the house, and it will be clean.
Leviticus 14:49-53

TenQ:

Really!?

You didn't know a fart about the subject you took. Did I not give you two verses to compare?
Your adopted translation and another?

That was just English language text nothing "imaginary" there.
LOL