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Prayer has been proven 2 me ineffective. But religionists wants us 2 believe it works without any concrete proof

When praying most people feel God owes them but for one to become a friend of God it's not about making demands the first time Abraham makes a demand from his friend (God) was when his friend told him two cities are about to be destroyed along with all the inhabitants.
But today many just feel like asking God for anything even when it has nothing to do with friendship with God!

Prayer doesn't do shit & pulpit bandits(mog's) know dis

DeepSight:
You don't seem to have grasped the pith of what I am saying.

I am not putting the Bible forward as a singular work. It is not even a singular work. It is a compilation of many disparate works.

My point is, there are hundreds of writings about Jesus, only four are included in the bible.

Why are all those writings automatically disqualified simply because they are religious. There are too many to discountenance and they are not all in the Bible.

Furthermore, there are books in the Bible that are not just of a religious nature. Several books chronicle events that can be shown to be historical, such as the destruction of Jerusalem. I don't think it makes sense to dismiss everything there on the simple ground that it's religious writing.

I would not do thia even for the Vedas. Look, I would not do it even for writings presumed to be myths suxh as the writings about Troy by Homer. We should research carefully rather than make blanket presumptions.

Mind you, I do not believe the Bible to be innerrant truth, and it is not my creed by any stretch of the imagination nor do I believe in the concept of God it advances, which I consider hideous.

Movies about Spiderman show the Statue of Liberty in New York. Does it mean Spiderman is real?

crows2ravens:
Don't you know the meaning of compiled? Matthew and co. are the eyewitnesses that wrote the gospels. Their works were later combined with those of others to make up the new testament of the bible. Isaiah scrolls had survived thousand years before it was added to a compilation of books called the Bible. These are just few examples.
The bible is a compilation of different books written at different times, not just passed down stories.
Apparently, you've never read a Bible before, not even out of curiosity to verify your thoughts, and neither have you read about how the bible came into existence. Your arguments show you lack the relevant information. And I won't be the one to inform you, go and find out by yourself.

Dont you understand? None of them were first hand or eye witness account. Some were gotten from the Dead Scrolls

crows2ravens:
How can you prove the existence of Aristotle? Or Archimedes? Or Cicero?

You don't know what you're saying. There's a host of people in history that you can't prove their existence by archeological artifacts apart from their writings, we know Jesus's disciples by their writings too. The only ones you can prove are kings and emperors because of preserved tombs and coins. I don't have time to argue with you. Either you believe or not! Don't disturb other people because they don't follow your line of thought.

You guys make cheap arguments to debate established facts. You know nothing about the bible you're attempting to discredit, apart from hearsay by those misleading you.
How can you discuss what you don't know?

Aristotle etc have been proven to exist. There are painting and bust images of them. There are historical evidence too.
Can we say there were contemporary history of Jesus? No.
You said you know jesus disciples by their writings? Do you know their writings if you see it? Did you read the part of history that says the story of Jesus was written centuries after it supposedly happened? Is that too hard for you to grasp?

Nawttiboi007:
Guy kindly just shut up and stop fooling yourself publicly on this platform.. ur comments are just so indespecable

Comparing both of your posts shows who is empty. You haven't given a shred of evidence of quoted any historians or scholars. Only thing you've been doing is mouthing insults

crows2ravens:
Other writers and authors too have referenced Mathew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul and Peter, etc. over the centuries. Enormous amounts of references, both from ancient and modern authors. Many of the original texts and scrolls in the Bible are preserved in a Jerusalem in Israel, and some in the Vatican library. Those too are extant. It's no different from what you're saying. The fact that you don't know this is a proof that you're arguing blindly about something you have no information about. So stop posting misleading statements.

And yes, no point quoting you. You've made up your mind to deny God.

Those original texts are the Dead Scrolls. Do you know who wrote them?

jaephoenix:
Dont you understand? None of them were first hand or eye witness account. Some were gotten from the Dead Scrolls

Believe anything you like.
Until recently (circa 1600 and later) every historical account have inaccuracies. Especially when it involved creating copies and translations. But note that almost all the books of the old testament are preserved in their first original texts in Jerusalem till date by the Jews, while fewer parts of the new testament are still in their original writings, confirming the legitimacy of the contents of dead sea Scrolls.

If you have not experienced the righteousness, peace and inner joy that comes with presence of the Holy Ghost in your heart, you have a right to think this way.
For me, I experience daily the power and knowledge of the word of God from within, beyond what's taught in many churches, so I don't doubt my faith. Most church people feel I'm too skeptical for their liking though, I no dey allow any pastor bobo me.
It's up to you to believe whatever you want. If you decide to seek God today, personally, and you commit yourself, you will surely find Him.

Bro well I like the fact that you're really trying to enlighten these ignorant ones you're quoting, I commend you but be careful they don't drag u into their stupidity

crows2ravens:
Believe anything you like.
Until recently (circa 1600 and later) every historical account have inaccuracies. Especially when it involved creating copies and translations. But note that almost all the books of the old testament are preserved in their first original texts in Jerusalem till date by the Jews, while fewer parts of the new testament are still in their original writings, confirming the legitimacy of the contents of dead sea Scrolls.

If you have not experienced the righteousness, peace and inner joy that comes with presence of the Holy Ghost in your heart, you have a right to think this way.
For me, I experience daily the power and knowledge of the word of God from within, beyond what's taught in many churches, so I don't doubt my faith. Most church people feel I'm too skeptical for their liking though, I no dey allow any pastor bobo me.
It's up to you to believe whatever you want. If you decide to seek God today, personally, and you commit yourself, you will surely find Him.

jaephoenix:
Movies about Spiderman show the Statue of Liberty in New York. Does it mean Spiderman is real?

No, but it may show the Statue of Liberty which is real, just as surely as it may show New York which is real, it may show streets in New York and places and people in New York which are real. Listen understand something - I am not a religious person. If you spare a moment to go through my profile you will realize you are preaching to the choir. I doubt you could have criticized religion as much as I have on this board, the bible inclusive.

I am making a simple point to you: no one with half a brain thinks the whole of the bible is historical. My point is that there are historical facts interwoven therein. And it will be simplistic to ignore that on account only that it is a "religious book."

However, overall, this is quite a bad example you have given, for the simple reason that Spiderman is a self-confessed fiction written as a fiction. I am not sure you can say the same of scripture.

DeepSight:
However, overall, this is quite a bad example you have given, for the simple reason that Spiderman is a self-confessed fiction written as a fiction. I am not sure you can say the same of scripture.

Scripture means writings, you mean jewish scriptures?
If you’ve ever look up on the origin of how “scripture” was written you would have seen that it was written as a fiction.

Maynman:
Scripture means writings, you mean jewish scriptures?
If you’ve ever look up on the origin of how “scripture” was written you would have seen that it was written as a fiction.

The Bible is not my creed, and it does indeed contain a lot of myths, fantasies and even outright falsehoods - aside from barbaric injunctions. However it also contains a great deal of wisdom, useful moral counsel and yes, history. If you are one of those people who are "all or nothing" in their perspective, that's your problem sir. The world is seldom all white or all black, it is mostly grey. People are not all good or all bad, they are a mish mash of both. In the same way, something like the bible is a mish mash of all sorts. You seem to have the misguided view that it is 100 per cent fiction and 100 per cent false hood. That is not a nuanced take.

DeepSight:
The Bible is not my creed, and it does indeed contain a lot of myths, fantasies and even outright falsehoods - aside from barbaric injunctions. However it also contains a great deal of wisdom, useful moral counsel and yes, history. If you are one of those people who are "all or nothing" in their perspective, that's your problem sir. The world is seldom all white or all black, it is mostly grey. People are not all good or all bad, they are a mish mash of both. In the same way, something like the bible is a mish mash of all sorts. You seem to have the misguided view that it is 100 per cent fiction and 100 per cent false hood. That is not a nuanced take.

Bible means collection of books, that’s many books were added together to make up a single one called bible, so which book in the christian bible or jewish Bible has a great deal of wisdom?

Which history does the bible have?
Do archaeologists or historians quote bible as a source of history?

Please tell us the truth inside bible.
Do you know genesis only has like 2/3 books that was combined in different centuries to create the “book of Genesis” we have now.
Please tell us the truth inside bible.

You seem to have the misguided view About what “truth” means, Truth can be confirmed from independent sources, tell us the truth and let’s confirm it

Maynman:
Bible means collection of books, that’s many books were added together to make up a single one called bible, so which book in the christian bible or jewish Bible has a great deal of wisdom?

The Books of Proverbs and Ecclesiastes.

Which history does the bible have?

The Books of Kings and Chronicles detail quite a bit which should not be lightly dismissed.

Do archaeologists or historians quote bible as a source of history?

They don't need to.

Please tell us the truth inside bible.

I cant do that, there is too much to cite (just as there is much falsehood, myth and barbarism to cite).
If your view is that there is not so much as a single true line in the Bible, that's your cup of tea. That's of course, an unrealistic view. Even a broken clock will be right twice a day.

Maybe you should confirm the truth about how ur ancestors came into existence to start with?

Maynman:
Bible means collection of books, that’s many books were added together to make up a single one called bible, so which book in the christian bible or jewish Bible has a great deal of wisdom?

Which history does the bible have?
Do archaeologists or historians quote bible as a source of history?

Please tell us the truth inside bible.
Do you know genesis only has like 2/3 books that was combined in different centuries to create the “book of Genesis” we have now.
Please tell us the truth inside bible.

You seem to have the misguided view About what “truth” means, Truth can be confirmed from independent sources, tell us the truth and let’s confirm it

DeepSight:
The Books of Proverbs and Ecclesiastes.



The Books of Kings and Chronicles detail quite a bit which should not be lightly dismissed.



They don't need to.



I cant do that, there is too much to cite (just as there is much falsehood, myth and barbarism to cite).
If your view is that there is not so much as a single true line in the Bible, that's your cup of tea. That's of course, an unrealistic view. Even a broken clock will be right twice a day.

You are mentioning the tanakh.
Proverb is gotten from different sources all after solomon was said to lived.
Some are even from Egyptians.
Hope you also know psalm are also of Egyptian origin copied into jewish bible.

The book of kings and chronicles contains what history?
State it.
Not to forget that most of the books are written by unknown authors and gotten from different sources.

If something is of genuine history, why won’t historians quote it?
How then did you conclude is it of true history? You’re been apologetic right now.

Mention the single true line in the bible if you are sure and not been delusional.


You need another good clock to know when the broken clock will be right twice a day.
What are the sources outside the bible?
Or are you using a broken clock to know when a broken clock will be right twice a day?

Nawttiboi007:
Maybe you should confirm the truth about how ur ancestors came into existence to start with?

Have you confirmed yours?

Maynman:
You are mentioning the tanakh.
Proverb is gotten from different sources all after solomon was said to lived.

The book of kings and chronicles contains what history?
State it.
Not to forget that most of the books are written by unknown authors and gotten from different sources.

If something is of genuine history, why won’t historians quote it?
How then did you conclude is it of true history? You’re been apologetic right now.

Mention the single true line in the bible if you are sure and not been delusional.
You need another good clock to know when the broken clock will be right twice in day.
What are the sources outside the bible?
Or you are using a broken clock to know when a broken clock will be right twice a day?

My dear, I don't owe you an explanation. If you believe every single line therein is a falsehood, that's your cup of tea.

DeepSight:
My dear, I don't owe you an explanation. If you believe every single line therein is a falsehood, that's your cup of tea.

Sir Mention a single true line in the bible if you are sure and not been delusional.
Just ONE

The book of proverbs you are quoting, see where they got it from, the intelligent amenemope

You'll be shock at what awaits you if you think you can find out abt God(a supernatural being)

Maynman:
Have you confirmed yours?

Nawttiboi007:
You'll be shock at what awaits you if you think you can find out abt God(a supernatural being)

Yahweh worshipper, You’ll be shocked when you find out your god is a common israelite god that is a dummy like you.

Maynman:
Sir Mention a single true line in the bible if you are sure and not been delusional.
Just ONE

I don't owe you. Nor am I compelled to discuss with you.

The book of proverbs you are quoting, see where they got it from, the intelligent amenemope

I said its a book of wisdom. I didnt say anything about its source or its writer(s). So I don't know why you went to stress yourself proving that it wasnt written by Solomon. I never said it was. I did not even mention Solomon. It could be written by Cupid or my ancestor's babalawo for all I care.

Are u scared to use the capital G?..

Maynman:
Yahweh worshipper, You’ll be shocked when you find out your god is a common israelite god that is a dummy like you.

DeepSight:
I don't owe you. Nor am I compelled to discuss with you.



I said its a book of wisdom. I didnt say anything about its source or its writer(s). So I don't know why you went to stress yourself proving that it wasnt written by Solomon. I never said it was. I did not even mention Solomon. It could be written by Cupid or my ancestor's babalawo for all I care.

Then don’t make statements you can’t prove. That’s crass.

The proverbs you are quoting was plagiarized into the jewish bible, you should be thanking this sage for the wisdom.
If this man was alive he would have sued the masoretes for intellectual theft.

Nawttiboi007:
Are u scared to use the capital G?..

Are you scared to type in Capital letters?
Illiterate thinks god and God is different
Is poo and Poo different?

Your problem is that you're too comfortable and probably hopeless that you're overwhelmed with western education the whites brought

Maynman:
Are you scared to type in Capital letters?
Illiterate thinks god and God is different

Nawttiboi007:
Your problem is that you're too comfortable and probably hopeless that you're overwhelmed with western education the whites brought

The problem is you’ve been indoctrinated and brainwashed from birth with jewish mythologies.
You are a slave to the jews and you need a jewish man as your savior.

God will soon arrest you, mark today

Maynman:
The problem is you’ve been indoctrinated and brainwashed from birth with jewish mythologies.
You are a slave to the jews and you need a jewish man as your savior.

Yahweh will suck my di.ck soon, mark today.

Nawttiboi007:
God will soon arrest you, mark today

Hopeless yahweh worshipper.

If you're not a coward say openly who you worship and see if you wont be consume by the holy ghost fire

Maynman:
Yahweh will suck my di.ck soon, mark today.


Hopeless yahweh worshipper.

Nawttiboi007:
If you're not a coward say openly who you worship and see if you wont be consume by the holy ghost fire

I’m not a deity worshipper like you, you are the coward and the hopeless one that needs a deity to be useful in life.
Over 100 people especially children die of malaria everyday in Nigeria, tell your holyspirit to do something.
Or your holyspirit is as useless as yahweh, your creator?