Praying Fard Salah Behind An Imam Praying Nawaafil by Rashduct4luv(m): 3:29pm On Apr 24, 2023 |
Question A friend of mine was offering 2 rakahs sunnah after Maghrib in the Mosque, when a new comer joined him for Jamaah. My friend didn't know what to do as he was offering the Sunnah and he knew that the new comer was under the impression that he was offering fard. After the prayer my friend was still in the Mosque when the new comer finished his prayer and asked my friend why he had not been reading out loud as it was MAghrib. My friend informed him that he had been reading the Sunnah and therefore could not have read out loud. Could you please clarify with daleel [proof from Hadith/Sunnah] as to what should be done in such a situation where you are offering a Sunnah prayer and someone joins you thinking its Fard?.
Praise be to Allah.
Firstly: There is nothing wrong with one who is offering an obligatory prayer praying behind one who is offering a naafil prayer. It is proven that Mu‘aadh ibn Jabal (may Allah be pleased with him) used to pray ‘Isha’ with the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), then he would go back to his people and lead them in praying ‘Isha’, and the prayer was naafil for him and obligatory for them.
It was narrated that Jaabir ibn ‘Abd-Allah (may Allah be pleased with him) said: Mu‘aadh ibn Jabal (may Allah be pleased with him) used to pray with the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), then he would go to his people and lead them in prayer. And he would recite al-Baqarah. … The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Recite ‘By the sun and its brightness’ [al-Shams 91:1], and ‘Glorify the Name of your Lord, the Most High’ [al-A’la 87:1] and the like.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (5755) and Muslim (465).
Al-Nawawi said: In this hadeeth we see that it is permissible for one who is offering an obligatory prayer to pray behind one who is offering a naafil prayer, because Mu‘aadh used to offer the obligatory prayer with the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), so he discharged his duty, then he would pray the second time with his people, so it was voluntary for him and obligatory for them. This is stated clearly elsewhere than in Muslim, and this is permissible according to al-Shaafa‘i (may Allah have mercy on him) and others. End quote. Sharh Muslim, 4/181
Secondly: There is nothing wrong with a person starting his prayer alone and then becoming an imam when someone else joins him.
It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allah be pleased with him) said: I stayed overnight with my maternal aunt. The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) got up to pray at night and I got up to pray with him. I stood on his left and he took hold of my head and made me stand on his right. Narrated by al-Bukhaari (667) and Muslim (763).
Imam al-Bukhaari included this report in a chapter entitled: If the imam did not intend to lead others in prayer, then people join him so he leads them in prayer.
And it was narrated that Anas (may Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) was praying in Ramadaan, and I came and stood beside him, and another man came and stood too, until there was a group of us. When the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) realized that I was behind him, he made his prayer brief. Narrated by Muslim (1104).
Some of the scholars said that it is permissible to do this in naafil prayers, but not in obligatory prayers. But the correct view is that it is valid in both cases.
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said: The correct view is that that is permissible in both obligatory and naafil prayers. End quote. Majmoo‘ al-Fataawa, 22/258
Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allah have mercy on him) said: But the correct view is that it is valid in both obligatory and naafil prayers. With regard to naafil prayers, it is mentioned in the text; with regard to obligatory prayers, what is proven in the case of naafil prayers is also proven with regard to obligatory prayers, unless there is evidence to the contrary. Al-Sharh al-Mumti‘, 2/304
Thirdly: If a person starts to pray behind a man who has started to offer a naafil prayer, as in the case asked about here, then the imam has the choice as to whether he recites out loud or quietly. But if he intended to lead the prayer from the outset, then he should recite out loud, because of the hadeeth of Mu‘aadh (may Allah be pleased with him) quoted above.
And Allah knows best. https://islamqa.info/en/answers/153386/person-for-whom-the-prayer-is-obligatory-praying-behind-one-who-is-offering-a-naafil-prayer
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Re: Praying Fard Salah Behind An Imam Praying Nawaafil by WaleGent(m): 3:39pm On Apr 24, 2023 |
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Re: Praying Fard Salah Behind An Imam Praying Nawaafil by walexsho(m): 11:35am On Apr 28, 2023 |
Rashduct4luv:
wrong submission... you can never join someone who doesn't have the intention of congregation prayer while praying not to talk of someone offering Nawafil. Are you telling people that they can go ahead and offer Isha prayer behind Imam offering Tarawih. Did the holy prophet practice such. "You have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern of (conduct) for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day and who engages much in the praise of Allah." (Q33:21). One of those religious rites is salaat - one would not have observed salaat unless and until when it is done according to the specification of the Messenger of Allah (PBUH).He said: "Pray as you have seen me pray" (Bukhari). The Hadith you made reference to was talking about Tahajud... non-obligatory prayer. Not a case of Observing fajr prayer behind someone observing Rakatayni Fajr |
Re: Praying Fard Salah Behind An Imam Praying Nawaafil by sped1oro(m): 11:35am On Apr 28, 2023 |
Jazakumullahu khayr for this👆 2 Likes |
Re: Praying Fard Salah Behind An Imam Praying Nawaafil by TheNiceGuy(m): 11:35am On Apr 28, 2023 |
Masha'Allah Tabaarakallah.
Jazzakumullahu khayran OP 1 Like |
Re: Praying Fard Salah Behind An Imam Praying Nawaafil by TheNiceGuy(m): 11:39am On Apr 28, 2023 |
But you read the Hadith about Muaadh bn Jabbal. Was he forbade? walexsho:
wrong submission... you can never join someone who doesn't have the intention of congregation prayer while praying not to talk of someone offering Nawafil. Are you telling people that they can go ahead and offer Isha prayer behind Imam offering Tarawih. Did the holy prophet practice such.
"You have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern of (conduct) for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day and who engages much in the praise of Allah." (Q33:21).
One of those religious rites is salaat - one would not have observed salaat unless and until when it is done according to the specification of the Messenger of Allah (PBUH).He said: "Pray as you have seen me pray" (Bukhari). |
Re: Praying Fard Salah Behind An Imam Praying Nawaafil by BaddestQueen(f): 11:48am On Apr 28, 2023 |
TheNiceGuy: Masha'Allah Tabaarakallah.
Jazzakumullahu khayran OP masha allah sibirikalaq nalaotu sadaqa amin |
Re: Praying Fard Salah Behind An Imam Praying Nawaafil by walexsho(m): 11:53am On Apr 28, 2023 |
TheNiceGuy: But you read the Hadith about Muaadh bn Jabbal. Was he forbade?
The two ha-adith quoted never depict those that joined the holy prophet wanted to Observe obligatory prayer behind the prophet but rather joined him to get the blessings of Nawafil. Secondly, the holy prophet was the Imam solat and would always lead them in Obligatory solat. There are narrations that says the door to the prophet house is next to the entrance of the Pulpit and they had to wait for him to come out before prayer is observed. Definitely they are aware he wasn't observing an obligatory prayer as the Imam but want to derive of the blessings. |
Re: Praying Fard Salah Behind An Imam Praying Nawaafil by TheNiceGuy(m): 11:54am On Apr 28, 2023 |
My brother, if you love Islam with this your fixation, I implore you to embrace it. You'll be taught the very best way to glorification, adorations and sort. BaddestQueen: masha allah sibirikalaq nalaotu sadaqa amin 1 Like |
Re: Praying Fard Salah Behind An Imam Praying Nawaafil by TheNiceGuy(m): 11:56am On Apr 28, 2023 |
We don't have to argue this, I'm making reference to Mu'aadh Hadith but you said nothing about that. walexsho:
The two ha-adith quoted never depict those that joined the holy prophet wanted to Observe obligatory prayer behind the prophet but rather joined him to get the blessings of Nawafil.
Secondly, the holy prophet was the Imam solat and would always lead them in Obligatory solat. There are narrations that says the door to the prophet house is next to the entrance of the Pulpit and they had to wait for him to come out before prayer is observed. Definitely they are aware he wasn't observing an obligatory prayer as the Imam but want to derive of the blessings. |
Re: Praying Fard Salah Behind An Imam Praying Nawaafil by BaddestQueen(f): 11:57am On Apr 28, 2023 |
TheNiceGuy: My brother, if you love Islam with this your fixation, I implore you to embrace it.
You'll be taught the very best way to glorification, adorations and sort.
I'm the girl you love so much ❤️ 1 Like |
Re: Praying Fard Salah Behind An Imam Praying Nawaafil by Mccullum: 12:33pm On Apr 28, 2023 |
Masha Allah.. I'll do some finding on this. Jazakhum-llah-Kaeran. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Praying Fard Salah Behind An Imam Praying Nawaafil by walexsho(m): 12:56pm On Apr 28, 2023 |
TheNiceGuy: We don't have to argue this, I'm making reference to Mu'aadh Hadith but you said nothing about that.
It narrated that Jaabir ibn ‘Abd-Allah (may Allah be pleased with him) said: Mu‘aadh ibn Jabal (may Allah be pleased with him) used to pray with the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), then he would go to his people and lead them in prayer. And he would recite al-Baqarah. … The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Recite ‘By the sun and its brightness’ [al-Shams 91:1], and ‘Glorify the Name of your Lord, the Most High’ [al-A’la 87:1] and the like.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (5755) and Muslim (465).I don't know .... probably I was taught Saudi Arabian English. "Muadh ibn Jabal used to pray with the holy prophet, then he would go to his people to again lead them in prayer"....Please does the above Hadith now show us he joined the holy prophet in prayer while he was already observing Obligatory prayer... even though he joined, he later went to observe the prayer again!!!!! which is allowed. Infact it simply says he prayed prayed with the holy prophet then went back to his people to again lead them in prayer. when a prayer is non-obligatory you can join the person with the intention of Non-obligatory prayer just like Sujud sawih (Sujud done when mistake occur in prayer) is not necessary for Non-obligatory prayer but you can never observe Ishai prayer behind an Imam offering Tarawih prayer(Nawafil) wa moo yazzakkaru illaa ulul albaaab. |
Re: Praying Fard Salah Behind An Imam Praying Nawaafil by TheNiceGuy(m): 2:44pm On Apr 28, 2023 |
He led prayer for his people. What prayer did he led, Fara'id or naafil? walexsho:
It narrated that Jaabir ibn ‘Abd-Allah (may Allah be pleased with him) said: Mu‘aadh ibn Jabal (may Allah be pleased with him) used to pray with the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), then he would go to his people and lead them in prayer. And he would recite al-Baqarah. … The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Recite ‘By the sun and its brightness’ [al-Shams 91:1], and ‘Glorify the Name of your Lord, the Most High’ [al-A’la 87:1] and the like.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (5755) and Muslim (465).
I don't know .... probably I was taught Saudi Arabian English. "Muadh ibn Jabal used to pray with the holy prophet, then he would go to his people to again lead them in prayer"....Please does the above Hadith now show us he joined the holy prophet in prayer while he was already observing Obligatory prayer... even though he joined, he later went to observe the prayer again!!!!! which is allowed. Infact it simply says he prayed prayed with the holy prophet then went back to his people to again lead them in prayer. when a prayer is non-obligatory you can join the person with the intention of Non-obligatory prayer just like Sujud sawih (Sujud done when mistake occur in prayer) is not necessary for Non-obligatory prayer but you can never observe Ishai prayer behind an Imam offering Tarawih prayer(Nawafil) wa moo yazzakkaru illaa ulul albaaab. |
Re: Praying Fard Salah Behind An Imam Praying Nawaafil by muhamadnur: 10:58pm On Apr 28, 2023 |
walexsho:
It narrated that Jaabir ibn ‘Abd-Allah (may Allah be pleased with him) said: Mu‘aadh ibn Jabal (may Allah be pleased with him) used to pray with the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), then he would go to his people and lead them in prayer. And he would recite al-Baqarah. … The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Recite ‘By the sun and its brightness’ [al-Shams 91:1], and ‘Glorify the Name of your Lord, the Most High’ [al-A’la 87:1] and the like.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (5755) and Muslim (465).
I don't know .... probably I was taught Saudi Arabian English. "Muadh ibn Jabal used to pray with the holy prophet, then he would go to his people to again lead them in prayer"....Please does the above Hadith now show us he joined the holy prophet in prayer while he was already observing Obligatory prayer... even though he joined, he later went to observe the prayer again!!!!! which is allowed. Infact it simply says he prayed prayed with the holy prophet then went back to his people to again lead them in prayer. when a prayer is non-obligatory you can join the person with the intention of Non-obligatory prayer just like Sujud sawih (Sujud done when mistake occur in prayer) is not necessary for Non-obligatory prayer but you can never observe Ishai prayer behind an Imam offering Tarawih prayer(Nawafil) wa moo yazzakkaru illaa ulul albaaab. you keep condemning his valid point, while you couldn't raise any yourself bring a hadith or quote a great scholar śhikenan, maybe if you can understand hausa i will send you sheikh mahmud ja,afar preaching regarding this issue which clearly justified, dont know if your SUFI by the way |
Re: Praying Fard Salah Behind An Imam Praying Nawaafil by muhamadnur: 11:01pm On Apr 28, 2023 |
TheNiceGuy: He led prayer for his people. What prayer did he led, Fara'id or naafil?
forget the guy na confusion he wan bring 1 Like |
Re: Praying Fard Salah Behind An Imam Praying Nawaafil by Caseless: 7:51am On Apr 29, 2023 |
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Re: Praying Fard Salah Behind An Imam Praying Nawaafil by walexsho(m): 11:27am On Apr 29, 2023 |
muhamadnur: you keep condemning his valid point, while you couldn't raise any yourself bring a hadith or quote a great scholar śhikenan, maybe if you can understand hausa i will send you sheikh mahmud ja,afar preaching regarding this issue which clearly justified, dont know if your SUFI by the way what valid point? all the Hadith he quoted are all against the topic of discuss... he claimed people joined the holy prophet while he was already praying whereas the holy prophet was the one who led the Muslims in 5 daily prayer, therefore they must have joined the holy prophet in Nawafil(Tahajud, Salatu Dua etc.) he also quoted another Hadith where someone prayed behind the holy prophet and afterwards went to lead his people in thesame prayer he observed behind the prophet. he quoted another where someone woke up at night (definitely Midnight) and joined the prophet in prayer all his evidences does not validate the point that one can Observe Magrib prayer behind someone praying Isha or Tarawih prayer(Ashamu) |
Re: Praying Fard Salah Behind An Imam Praying Nawaafil by Rashduct4luv(m): 8:43am On May 04, 2023 |
Did you read this part?It was narrated that Jaabir ibn ‘Abd-Allah (may Allah be pleased with him) said: Mu‘aadh ibn Jabal (may Allah be pleased with him) used to pray with the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), then he would go to his people and lead them in prayer. And he would recite al-Baqarah. … The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Recite ‘By the sun and its brightness’ [al-Shams 91:1], and ‘Glorify the Name of your Lord, the Most High’ [al-A’la 87:1] and the like.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (5755) and Muslim (465).
Al-Nawawi said: In this hadeeth we see that it is permissible for one who is offering an obligatory prayer to pray behind one who is offering a naafil prayer, because Mu‘aadh used to offer the obligatory prayer with the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), so he discharged his duty, then he would pray the second time with his people, so it was voluntary for him and obligatory for them. This is stated clearly elsewhere than in Muslim, and this is permissible according to al-Shaafa‘i (may Allah have mercy on him) and others. End quote. Sharh Muslim, 4/181 What prayer do you think Mu‘aadh ibn Jabal (RA) was praying and what prayer were his people praying behind him?walexsho:
wrong submission... you can never join someone who doesn't have the intention of congregation prayer while praying not to talk of someone offering Nawafil. Are you telling people that they can go ahead and offer Isha prayer behind Imam offering Tarawih. Did the holy prophet practice such.
"You have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern of (conduct) for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day and who engages much in the praise of Allah." (Q33:21).
One of those religious rites is salaat - one would not have observed salaat unless and until when it is done according to the specification of the Messenger of Allah (PBUH).He said: "Pray as you have seen me pray" (Bukhari).
The Hadith you made reference to was talking about Tahajud... non-obligatory prayer. Not a case of Observing fajr prayer behind someone observing Rakatayni Fajr |
Re: Praying Fard Salah Behind An Imam Praying Nawaafil by Bobbiee: 11:03am On Jun 13, 2023 |
Obaofaba: Jazakhallah khair Do not pray to Allah. You should be stoned for even being amongst his people |