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Re: British Bombardment Of Lagos 1851 by Nobody: 9:37pm On May 02, 2023 |
TAO11:1) just from a point of logic, did the narrator witness the "naming" ? 2) This is the thing with you, you keep trying to give lectures on things you know nothing about. You don't speak French but you believe you can teach French... (Like a fool) 3) if you knew even a little bit of French, then you would know that literal translation to English is the worse thing you can do, the structure of the French language is very different from that of Germanic languages (like German or English). My translation (I was always the best at version (translation) at the university) 4) in this context, "c'est ainsi qu'ils la désignent" means "that is how they refer to it" |
Re: British Bombardment Of Lagos 1851 by TAO11(f): 9:42pm On May 02, 2023 |
The beginning of the last kicks of a dying horse as usual. We shall debunk them as we love doing. 😎 Ghostwon82221:And what difference does it being a country, or region, or town, or confederacy, etc. make to the argument which debunks your foolery? 😂 Let’s break it down to those you seek to deceive: (I) In the 1400s/1500s, a relatively small region in the extreme western end of West Africa is Guinea. (II) Later on from the ?late-1500s, 1600s; this name of a small region began to be applied to the whole of the West-Africa area from Sierra-Leone to Cameroon. (III) In other words, a foolish dunce will interpret this to mean that all the West-African lands, kingdoms, & states, etc. from Sierra-Leone to Cameroon (including your Benin) were all owned by the original Guinea. (IV) Whereas, the reality is simply that the name of the original Guinea was simply adopted by foreigners (as a matter of acquaintance & convenience) to describe the much wider West Africa from abroad. (V) It is irrelevant whether the original place (i.e. the actual precolonial Guinea) was one town, a group of related towns, a kingdom, a confederacy, etc. What matters is that its name was borrowed & applied to West Africa. The same happened with Takrur. 😉 2) the country named guinea in post colonial Africa wasn't called guinea in precolonial Africa and probably wasn't even a country in precolonial Africa.The confusion you seek to perpetuate has been exposed above. Sorry! In other words, it doesn’t matter if today’s Guinea is a country with President. Doesn’t matter if pre-colonial Guinea wasn’t a country with one President. What matters is that its name (i.e. precolonial Guinea’s name) was borrowed & applied to West Africa. The same happened with Takrur. 😉 3) so the point which you are making which states (or implies) that countries names were used by Europeans to name vast regions is in a word false, and also stupid.Yes your imagination (which you desperately seek to substitute as my argument) is false, stupid & more. Again my argument is: The subset lent their name to the wider superset, while your ridiculous claim on the other hand is that this happens because the subset is the capital of a vast government/dominion. 🤦🏾♂️ 4) Benin kingdom is not a post colonial country, it is a precolonial country. Your comparison is illogical.You should have realized at this point that you’ve been exposed. You need be smart enough to realize it tho. 5) it would be understandable that people might add or remove territory to a region for various reasons, for example the region called Europe keeps changing, but I fail to understand why the boundaries of actual countries would be treated in such a cavalier way.I hope you know circular reasoning is still a fallacy. It is null & void. Please take note of this going forward. I wouldn’t want to repeat myself. In other words, what you intend to prove is that: Benin owned the circumjacent territories outside of its boundaries. What you’re adducing as “proof” is that: Somethings similar happened in Europe. Me: Lol 🙃 6) yet again, you provide your opinions and confuse them with facts.Are we projecting now?? Projection is how to defend & win your argument? Do better! 😎 Ghostwon82221:Looks like you’ve suddenly realized that your request to show "all the caption of “Van Benin Biafra”" makes no difference to the argument I have adduced. Lool. Anyway, your new comeback here was also debunked where I debunked your weak Guinea comeback. In other words, it is irrelevant if the original place (i.e. the actual precolonial Biafra) was one town, a group of related towns, a kingdom, a confederacy, etc. In so far as it was a different location from your Benin kingdom, the consistent inference which you must draw from the same map is that Benin Kingdom was owned by the then Biafra—whether the then Biafra was one “kingdom”, or a confederacy, or a group of related towns, cities, villages is irrelevant. 2) the reason I did not reply you is because I had already wasted lots of time on you. I expose a lie of yours and you come back with ten more lies, and so on, after a point I got fed up, you have a non ending stream of lies and non logical statements and replying to them would be a full time job, I can't possibly have that much time.I can’t remember asking for your tears at any point in the course of debunking you. Why all these? 🤣 4 Likes |
Re: British Bombardment Of Lagos 1851 by kkins25(m): 9:48pm On May 02, 2023 |
Dabronze:Yoruba's had a great influence on places that their slave masters transported them to. Brazil is one of them. |
Re: British Bombardment Of Lagos 1851 by Nobody: 9:53pm On May 02, 2023 |
TAO11:Without even attempting to translate the French sentence, it is quite clear that the narrator didn't witness any naming of Lagos ! Just logic, he can't say who named it, he can only say how some people refer to it! That is what he does, he talks to different Africans and they tell him how they refer to the land. |
Re: British Bombardment Of Lagos 1851 by Nobody: 9:59pm On May 02, 2023 |
TAO11:The paper is from 1845, and the name was already visible 200 years prior to 1845 (this proves that the narrator definitely didn't witness any naming) |
Re: British Bombardment Of Lagos 1851 by Nobody: 10:01pm On May 02, 2023 |
When someone with the brain of a child believes she/he is smart and takes your fatigue (of talking to a fool) for proof she/he is right and smart...I give you Tao the fool. I'm not going to address all of Tao's rubbish, I will just have some fun addressing some and then I will not reply the fool anymore. |
Re: British Bombardment Of Lagos 1851 by TAO11(f): 10:08pm On May 02, 2023 |
Ghostwon82221:Lmao. Now that your “Lagos was part of Benin” agenda has been debunked, you now have to shift goalpost to: Whether the name “Eko” was truly named by Ijebus as the book claim. Whether the author was an eyewitness to the naming ceremony of ”Lagos” as “Eko” by the Ijebus as claimed. To answer these diversions tactics from what just hit you, I’ll like to refer you to the screenshot below as to show you where you already answered yourself. I am not saying I agree with your answer to yourself, I am only asking you to make up your mind if you agree with yourself or not. Did the author witness what he wrote or not? Please bear in mind that, it was you who brought the book🤭 2) This is the thing with you, you keep trying to give lectures on things you know nothing about.In other words, we must pretend that you will tell the truth because you don’t mind been exposed. 🤣 No baldie! 🤭 Instead, sane people would rather rely on objective verifiable sources who have no horse in this race. Why should that not make sense to you? These French sources maintain that the French word “designént” means “designate”. Even your “refer” does not contradict this. It’s just non-precise. Liars love imprecision. It helps them escape. You go nowhere! 😎 4 Likes
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Re: British Bombardment Of Lagos 1851 by TAO11(f): 10:13pm On May 02, 2023 |
Ghostwon82221: Ghostwon82221: You had said elsewhere that the author witnessed it tho. Lmao 🤣 See screenshot attached. Do you now want to make up your mind or no still? Lool. 3 Likes
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Re: British Bombardment Of Lagos 1851 by Nobody: 10:15pm On May 02, 2023 |
Ghostwon82221:Edit. 4)"c'est ainsi qu'ils la désignent" means "that is how they refer to it" |
Re: British Bombardment Of Lagos 1851 by TAO11(f): 10:19pm On May 02, 2023 |
Ghostwon82221: Ghostwon82221: Ghostwon82221: The mad baldie is preparing his exit speech already. As usual when TAO11 shows up, baldie flees never to look back for months or years to come. You lose again! 😎 3 Likes |
Re: British Bombardment Of Lagos 1851 by Nobody: 10:21pm On May 02, 2023 |
TAO11:Look, I'm trying to (lack of a better word) correct your poor submission. But you are interfering in my benevolent action. Ok, let me reply to this your statement before I go back to correcting your submission. 1) I never claimed that the narrator witnessed any naming. 2) I claimed rightfully that the narrator is giving an eyewitness account. 3) don't blame me for your lack of intellect |
Re: British Bombardment Of Lagos 1851 by Nobody: 10:23pm On May 02, 2023 |
TAO11:I used to act like you when I was 10, this makes me wonder how old you are. |
Re: British Bombardment Of Lagos 1851 by TAO11(f): 10:27pm On May 02, 2023 |
Ghostwon82221:No it means “that’s how they designated it”. Proof-1: The French “désignent” signifies ”designate” in English. Very direct. Proof-2: As at the time when the author was writing this work in c. 1845, EVERY group REFER to “Lagos” as “Eko”. In others words, it is meaningless to single out Ijebu in c. 1845 as the group who REFER to “Lagos” as “Eko” ——— In Conclusion: “Eko” (according to that book which you brought forward to shoot yourself in the head) was a name evolved by the Ijebu group for “Lagos”. The author was clearly describing who named/coined the name “Eko” for “Lagos”. He identified them as the Ijebus — of course based on some received info. No amount of Benin liars can twist away the fact that the French “désignent” is “designate” in English. Take heart baldie! 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: British Bombardment Of Lagos 1851 by Nobody: 10:31pm On May 02, 2023 |
TAO11:Fair enough, the narrator didn't predict we would be having this debate around 178 years later. When referring to Curamo, he was talking about Lagos Island but that doesn't imply that the rest of what we now refer to as Lagos wasn't part of Benin, the precolonial maps indicate it was. |
Re: British Bombardment Of Lagos 1851 by Nobody: 10:33pm On May 02, 2023 |
Even though, I think and know you are a fool. If you get something right, I will gladly admit it, like I do when annoying students get something right. |
Re: British Bombardment Of Lagos 1851 by TAO11(f): 10:40pm On May 02, 2023 |
You must be really convinced that I am a Bini person. In other words, you strongly have the feeling that I’m no different from one of those you manipulate. I wonder why you’re adamant with this hopeless idea despite evidence to the contrary. Listen, I am still me. I haven’t changed. I am still your nemesis. Ghostwon82221: You claimed that the 1845 text is an eye eyewitness account. Do you really understand what an eyewitness text is or you just use words to appear smart to Bini retards? Lemme pretend you don’t, so you have no hiding: An eyewitness account is a documentation of events which the author witnessed by himself/herself. 😝 ✌🏾 6 Likes
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Re: British Bombardment Of Lagos 1851 by Balogunodua(m): 10:42pm On May 02, 2023 |
TAO mama..doing the Lords work. 😁😁 2 Likes |
Re: British Bombardment Of Lagos 1851 by Nobody: 10:42pm On May 02, 2023 |
TAO11:Now this is you basically pretending to know how to translate French to English and also pretending to be a psychiatrist who did a psychoanalysis on a dead guy. Once again, you can't do littéral translation when translating french to english, you have to know both languages and write an English sentence with the same meaning as the French one. So this which you wrote is totally stupid. By the way it doesn't even qualify as literal translation. You just seem to be trying to place words convenient for your end goal. What you did here is utter rubbish. |
Re: British Bombardment Of Lagos 1851 by TAO11(f): 10:43pm On May 02, 2023 |
Ghostwon82221: Ghostwon82221: Ghostwon82221: Ghostwon82221: You know projection won’t work, so why even try? Now face the argument you should be defending. 🤭 3 Likes 1 Share
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Re: British Bombardment Of Lagos 1851 by Balogunodua(m): 10:43pm On May 02, 2023 |
Ghostwon82221:Take your L in peace 😁😁😂 1 Like |
Re: British Bombardment Of Lagos 1851 by Nobody: 10:43pm On May 02, 2023 |
Balogunodua:🤣😂😅 Never met a Yoruba who didn't love a good lie and a good liar, you guys will never change. |
Re: British Bombardment Of Lagos 1851 by Balogunodua(m): 10:44pm On May 02, 2023 |
Ghostwon82221: Do pl |
Re: British Bombardment Of Lagos 1851 by Balogunodua(m): 10:46pm On May 02, 2023 |
Ghostwon82221: You will soon deactivate this account 😁😂 1 Like |
Re: British Bombardment Of Lagos 1851 by Nobody: 10:47pm On May 02, 2023 |
I have time to correct just one more of Tao's statements, It's getting boring. So I let you guys chose which statement you want me to correct. |
Re: British Bombardment Of Lagos 1851 by TAO11(f): 10:48pm On May 02, 2023 |
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Re: British Bombardment Of Lagos 1851 by Balogunodua(m): 10:48pm On May 02, 2023 |
Ghostwon82221: Your rant is hilarious 😁 |
Re: British Bombardment Of Lagos 1851 by Nobody: 10:48pm On May 02, 2023 |
Balogunodua:Tao's personal hype man 🤣😂 Your dad must be so proud. Although he failed your education, clearly. |
Re: British Bombardment Of Lagos 1851 by Nobody: 10:50pm On May 02, 2023 |
I repeat Ghostwon82221: |
Re: British Bombardment Of Lagos 1851 by Balogunodua(m): 10:50pm On May 02, 2023 |
Ghostwon82221: Mr. French teacher.. have you ran out of maps to post 1 Like |
Re: British Bombardment Of Lagos 1851 by Balogunodua(m): 10:51pm On May 02, 2023 |
TAO11: 😂😂😂 |
Re: British Bombardment Of Lagos 1851 by Nobody: 10:52pm On May 02, 2023 |
Balogunodua:I'm a mathematician, not a French teacher. And I have plenty more precolonial maps, but debating with fools doesn't work. No matter the amount of evidence, your views won't change and you will still fanatically defend those views. I repeat Ghostwon82221: |
Re: British Bombardment Of Lagos 1851 by TAO11(f): 10:54pm On May 02, 2023 |
Ghostwon82221:Sorry baldie, this was debunked here: https://www.nairaland.com/7671910/british-bombardment-lagos-1851/2#122890496 And here: https://www.nairaland.com/7671910/british-bombardment-lagos-1851/2#122891033 😂 Cheers baldie 👨🦲 3 Likes 1 Share |
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