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TheGoodJoe:
Stating facts is not talking down of a great midfield great. The fact is that Zidane was not one of the best players for France in France 98. It was a sentimental praise.

It is a fact.

Saying De Bruyne is more effective than Zidane, the stats prove it.

That is not talking down on a great.

Is Henry talking down on Ronaldinho or Messi or Zidane by saying De Bruyne is the most cerebral?

I am not talking down on Zidane in anyway.

Many did not even know about the France 98 episodes. Just as people don't know how effective Lizarazu, Petit or Djorkaeff were to that team.

TheSuperNerd:
U17 Afcon: A tale of clinicality

Nigeria 3-2 SA... 12 shots on target = 3 goals.


Senegal 5-0 SA... 4 shots on target = 5 goals. Only 3 shots on target resulted into goals. One was saved. The other 2 goals came via Own goals.


Nigeria's Golden Eaglets will create plethora of chances against any team in this competition but our biggest flaw is finishing. We have to watch it.


#MDU17AfconDiaries

TheSuperNerd:
If South Africa had not gotten their early goal against Nigeria in that make or Mar Group game, this result they are getting against Senegal would have been their fate against us, albeit not exactly but similarly.

Their early goal gave them the push and that unsettled our boys for a while before we truly rallied and got back into the game. The Nigerian lads clearly were better and only put themselves under pressure by not taking enough of their chances. This is something Senegal excels at - Taking their chances.

Senegal would take some stopping to be honest. They are high on confidence and are quite clinical in front of goal especially their #10, Amara Diouf.

Well, Nigeria's business is with Burkina Faso tomorrow. The WC ticket comes first before any thoughts of a potential meeting with the Teranga Cubs.

#MDU17AfconDiaries.

TheSuperNerd:
Naaah.... that is not the fact you put forward. You said Emmanuel Petit had a better WC than Zidane in 1998. That wasn't fact Sir Joe. I even went on to mention the players who did have a better WC than Zidane in 98 in that same French side.

Also, you talk down on Zidane's influence by making it seem like his absence would not have made any difference for France across various tournaments. That also isn't fact.

Fact is you have been talking down Zidane's Genius subtly across your posts just in a bid to talk up the effectiveness of KDB.

Your use of the word "effectiveness" belittles how truly influential Zidane was. Don't let your recency bias and Man City love make you say what isn't analytically or logically true in the Zidane vs KDB debate.

TheSuperNerd:
Naaah.... that is not the fact you put forward. You said Emmanuel Petit had a better WC than Zidane in 1998. That wasn't fact Sir Joe. I even went on to mention the players who did have a better WC than Zidane in 98 in that same French side.

Also, you talk down on Zidane's influence by making it seem like his absence would not have made any difference for France across various tournaments. That also isn't fact.

Fact is you have been talking down Zidane's Genius subtly across your posts just in a bid to talk up the effectiveness of KDB.

Your use of the word "effectiveness" belittles how truly influential Zidane was. Don't let your recency bias and Man City love make you say what isn't analytically or logically true in the Zidane vs KDB debate.

TheGoodJoe:
Emmanuel Petit was better than Zidane in the whole tournament when you talk of contribution to the team.

Even in the final, he had a goal and assisted a corner kick for Zidane.

He was on form in most games. So how can Zidane have a better World Cup than Petit.

Take out those corners headers and Zidane won't be in the list of best players in that tourney.

I am a Zidane fan but as for France 98, he was not even among the best players of the team, let alone the tournament.

Let alone Petit who was key in the tournament.

TheGoodJoe:
How does effectiveness belittle Zidane?

I have said it has to do with the modern game. The game is now hinged on efficacy over artistry and individual dominance.

KDB is one of the symbols of the modern get and it is more effective.

That is why I said they play differently.

I have also said Zidane would be more effective playing under Guardiola. Unfortunately,he did not and De Bruyne has carved out an effective niche that makes him dominate in creating chances.

It is not talking down on Zidane. KDB trumps him handsdown in chance creation.

TheGoodJoe:
Emmanuel Petit was better than Zidane in the whole tournament when you talk of contribution to the team.

Even in the final, he had a goal and assisted a corner kick for Zidane.

He was on form in most games. So how can Zidane have a better World Cup than Petit.

Take out those corners headers and Zidane won't be in the list of best players in that tourney.

I am a Zidane fan but as for France 98, he was not even among the best players of the team, let alone the tournament.

Let alone Petit who was key in the tournament.

AndSunGorilla:
Abeg who stopped Senegal from winning the U17 wafcon? Also who did we face in the final again abeg. I think we beat BF in the semi finals right?

TheSuperNerd:
U17 Afcon: A tale of clinicality

Nigeria 3-2 SA... 12 shots on target = 3 goals.


Senegal 5-0 SA... 4 shots on target = 5 goals. Only 3 shots on target resulted into goals. One was saved. The other 2 goals came via Own goals.


Nigeria's Golden Eaglets will create plethora of chances against any team in this competition but our biggest flaw is finishing. We have to watch it.


#MDU17AfconDiaries

do4luv14:
No thanks to both wasteful Abdullahi and Shot crazy Linus

TheSuperNerd:
Emmanuel Petit didn't have a better France 98 than Zidane.

Infact, I implore you to go ahead and make a rough research on Top 10 players at the France 98 WC and see how many times Petit pops up compared to Zidane, Desailly or Thuram.

TheGoodJoe:

Titles are team awards. Not individual awards.

TheSuperNerd:
Emmanuel Petit didn't have a better France 98 than Zidane.

Infact, I implore you to go ahead and make a rough research on Top 10 players at the France 98 WC and see how many times Petit pops up compared to Zidane, Desailly or Thuram.

TheGoodJoe:

I did not browse to make my point. I watched every match in that competition.

I said, Petit and Djorkaeff contributes more. Even Lizarazu. These men were key. Research it on statistical level and let us see if Zidane will rank ahead of them.

Without those two corner kicks, Zidane would never be in the picture.

At least, now you agree he was not even best player on his team. So how on Earth was Zidane given the world best over Ronaldo De Lima that had a brilliant world Cup.

This is fact and not talking down on Zidane. He was not even best in his team.

Napoleon55:
If it's about now about individual awards,then KDB has no significant individual awards while those guys u were compairing him with have one or more individual awards to show for their effectiveness.
For instance,
Modric has one ballon d'or.
Ronaldinho has two ballon d'or.
Zidan has like 2 and 3 FIFA best player.
Kaka has one
Cruyff has like 3.
These r attacking midfielders like KDB,show me what KDB efectiveness has won for him apart from league.
The more u go on,d more it more it will look as if we r belittling KDB effectiveness.

AndSunGorilla:
Maybe they might leave for Germany, France or Italy. If and when Leicester gets relegated, they would need to clean house and definitely reduce their wage bill.

TheSuperNerd:
Neither did I when first correcting your take on Zidane and Petit. But I eventually did and saw that indeed, you are truly wrong on this. Petit didn't have a better WC 98 than Zidane.

Everything you have uttered about Zidane has one purpose. To water down his genius so as to justify your preference from KDB.

If you say you prefer KDB regardless of Zidane being the better player and better midfielder all round. That would be different.

But here, you are intentionally talking down his genius and reducing Zidane's showing at France 98 to 2 corner kick goals. Your constant repetition of those cornerkicks exposes your intentions.

And the question was never whether he was the best on his team. The point is he had a better WC than Emmanuel Petit. Rest with preference-induced takes.

TheGoodJoe:
Read that fourfourtwo article, they clearly stated Zidane was not stellar in the Quarter and Semi final. Keep in mind he missed two matches and got a red in one.

Have, them they gave him best player of the tournament and Ballon D'or. People should fear God.

TheGoodJoe:
At least now you know Zidane was not even the best player of his team. That is the main point.

chrisooblog:
This your attempt at ad hominem is really pathetic.

Never seen someone so 'educated' yet so manifestly ignorant.

If you know you don't know how to engage in debate using facts and robust arguments stay off my posts!

TheGoodJoe:
At least now you know Zidane was not even the best player of his team. That is the main point.

TheSuperNerd:
Edin Dzeko!!!! My Birthday Mate has smashed in one for Inter!!! Here we go!

#UCLnight.

TheGoodJoe:
That is your belief. However, KDB has carved a niche for himself where he rules the chance creators. He will be remembered forever doing these over those you celebrate as greats.

TheSuperNerd:
Nope He didn't. Lillian Thuram and Marcel Desailly did. But definitely not Petit.

I understand and have carefully followed the argument of TheGoodJoe vs Everyone on KDB vs Zidane but I implore you Sir Joe, not to disregard Zidane in any form just because you prefer Kevin de brains.

And same to everyone. Don't disrespect the talents of KDB in this era all in a bid to emphasize the genius that Zidane was.


TheGoodJoe, you must understand something. Zidane and KDB are two distinct interpretations of the CAM role.

KDB is more of an elite chances creator but Zidane was the classical controller/Game Conductor. This is why their stats defer.

KDB is a midfielder who is also an accomplished goal scorer in his role but Zidane was a super playmaker of the first class order.

komekn:
Yes l agree .

Not sure where but can't see any team wanting them on the EPL.

komekn:
You responded to me.

But l understand you just don't have the capacity to contend with me, so now you have to evade and respond with insulting rhetoric.

It's OK

Your avoid the entire discourse.

I asked you one question ❓ how did you arrive at your superficial misguided conclusions. And you cannot ANSWER 😞