phineas:

Here's a fun fact.The title of Oni historically was that of a priest not a king.The story of the kings of ancient Yoruba is another story entirely ...

Trizyd:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oyo_Empire

Trizyd:
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Dude you look ridiculous with your newly made Wikipedia map.
Do I need to say it is fake ? Or does the fact the people who made it had access to computers says it all.
I posted Precolonial maps and you are posting post-wikipedia maps 😂

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Will you stop with the fake maps ?

Trizyd:


Like you surveyed and drew yours.

Trizyd:



Ignorant dude. You can't even chill to educate. Can't blame you. I will do it for you.
Sources.

1. https://www.penn.museum/sites/expedition/benin-oyo-and-dahomey/

"At its height during the 15th and 16th centuries the Benin kingdom reached its natural boundaries at the River Niger to the east and the sea to the south, and established suzerainty over Yoruba areas to the west and southwest up to the border of what was to become Dahomey. In the late 16th century it reached a common boundary with the kingdom of Oyo."

2. https://www.britannica.com/place/Oyo-empire
3. https://africankingdoms.co.uk/dahomey-2/
4. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/history-in-africa/article/abs/early-oyo-history-reconsidered/C053D1874C73CC6E6A001083F9BD63DA

I gave you some by your white masters you believe.

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Unsubstantiated story.
When studying history, you need to look for eyewitness written documents, not unsubstantiated declarations, irrespective of the pedigree of whomever is making the claims.

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Mine were drawn by people who visited the region hundreds of years ago, yours were drawn by people who went to get a haircut yesterday.

Trizyd:


😁🤣🤣🤣🙄 Eye witness written documents how can we go back now and ask someone from Oyo Empire and Benin Empire to bring their written documents. Or show me, in your words the "eyewitness written documents"

Trizyd:


Who drew it? What time period? Or they don't use name and date?

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In case you don't get it, this debate is not at the level of the consumer of history but at the level of the researcher of history. So you basically need to do the type of work which you believe those you quoted have done.

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It seems you might actually learn something.
This question is the essence of history.
History is the study of documents written by eyewitnesses. For example, I gave a document written by a French guy who visited West Africa around 1830. That document is an eyewitness written document, that is what history is about.

Trizyd:


Are you deluded? How can a document by a French explorer in 1890 be a witness for an empire existing way before then?

Trizyd:


Are you deluded? How can a document by a French explorer in 1890 be a witness for an empire existing way before then?

Trizyd:

You need older records and as you said 'documents written by eyewitnesses'. It's like saying dinosaurs never existed because an explorer wrote it down during his exploration in year 1800.

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You are dumber then you look.
The eyewitness is an eyewitness to his period of time and his testimony is what he writes in the document!
By the way, it is 1830 you dumbass

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Do you really not understand the difference between history and archaeology? Are you that dumb ?

Trizyd:


Ouch... I guess i touched a nerve. I am sorry.

Trizyd:


Are you deluded? How can a document by a French explorer in 1890 be a witness for an empire existing way before then?

Trizyd:

History: A written record of past events, [things that happened]. , there are certain events that may not be recorded or retold to 100% accuracy.
Archaeology is the study of the ancient and recent human past through material remains.
I never told you to dig up anything. dinosaurs are part of earth history. Kapish?

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The French explore came 1890, saw your about to collapse empire, recorded it and drew maps of what he saw, and you call that your history You don't know what you are saying. Bringing up the benin bronze would have made more sense.

Trizyd:

You don't know what you are saying. Bringing up the benin bronze would have made more sense.

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No, I actually thought for a second that you were smarter than this.
I am only disappointed, by the way, I'm on a train and my internet access is not very fluid right now, that is why it is hard to respond in time right now.

Tell me what you meant by this:

Trizyd:

"By the time Captain Hugh Clapperton visited Oyo-Ile in 1825 during the reign of Alaafin Majotu, the empire was already in a state of decline. Clapperton's party recorded passing numerous Oyo villages burned by the Fulani of Ilorin while Majotu had also sought the help of the English king and the Oba of Benin in putting down the Ilorin rebellion. Clapperton also noticed a shortage of horses, even though the Oyo were renowned as a great cavalry force;"
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oyo_Empire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Clapperton
https://plants.jstor.org/stable/10.5555/al.ap.person.bm000001530

Trizyd:

You are the one doing History, I am not. I am still on the topic with you. History will not sort out the issues here.
You are said Oyo Empire never existed, I don't need history to counter your points.

Trizyd:

History, according to Oxford "the whole series of past events connected with a particular person or thing", is not enough to prove if something existed or not. History is biased by definition, and you shouldn't expect it to be 100% accurate.

Trizyd:

I have presented, eye witness accounts, geographical maps, geographical events during the timeline. It was even called the Kingdom of Oyo, well known to the British and French. Benin Empire was conquered not long after the Kingdom of Oyo fell.

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"Eyewitness account" is an attempt to commit fraud, you can basically write anything and claim it is somehow an "eyewitness account". What matters are eyewitness written docs.
You presented no such thing about oyo's "glorious" past.
You presented fake maps and you kept quoting Wikipedia.

Vado2:



In Yorubaland, the culture of hookups is accepted. Only in Yoruba land would you witness a woman with a husband and children engaging in hookups. Also a Yoruba man, is the inventor of cultism in Nigeria. All tribes are only playing catch up; the Yorubas are the ones that created 419.

Trizyd:


😁🤣🤣🤣🙄 Eye witness written documents how can we go back now and ask someone from Oyo Empire and Benin Empire to bring their written documents. Or show me, in your words the "eyewitness written documents"