47c3ee:
Less than 2 weeks to the inauguration and tinibu is nowhere to be found

Bombblacks:

You cannot identify as an adult. Both comparison you are trying to make are not even the same thing.

raumdeuter:


Gender is actually a universal thing. 200yrs ago a man is a man and a woman is a woman

While age was not a thing, many people didn't measure their age. Or didn't use the Gregorian calendar and peg adulthood at 18.

Adult is defined by society. Using 18 as the standard is not universal. Many cultures put adulthood at the time of puberty. If a child attains puberty at 13 he becomes an adult. Many females after "seeing blood" are free to marry.
Why is 18 the age of adulthood and not 15, 21 or 25 or even 30

Gender that is universal is what you can identify as while adulthood and age that is defined by society is what you cannot identify as?

raumdeuter:


Gender is actually a universal thing. 200yrs ago a man is a man and a woman is a woman

While age was not a thing, many people didn't measure their age. Or didn't use the Gregorian calendar and peg adulthood at 18.

Adult is defined by society. Using 18 as the standard is not universal. Many cultures put adulthood at the time of puberty. If a child attains puberty at 13 he becomes an adult. Many females after "seeing blood" are free to marry.
Why is 18 the age of adulthood and not 15, 21 or 25 or even 30

Gender that is universal and one of the most black or white thing is what you can identify as, while adulthood and age that is defined by society is what you cannot identify as?

raumdeuter:


Gender is actually a universal thing. 200yrs ago a man is a man and a woman is a woman

While age was not a thing, many people didn't measure their age. Or didn't use the Gregorian calendar and peg adulthood at 18.

Adult is defined by society. Using 18 as the standard is not universal. Many cultures put adulthood at the time of puberty. If a child attains puberty at 13 he becomes an adult. Many females after "seeing blood" are free to marry.
Why is 18 the age of adulthood and not 15, 21 or 25 or even 30

Gender that is universal and one of the most black or white thing is what you can identify as, while adulthood and age that is defined by society is what you cannot identify as?

iamoyindamola:

So what is your point, a newly born female child should be addressed as a woman?

Bombblacks:


A man is still a man and a woman is still a woman. Nothing has changed.


You are just explaining adulthood. You explaining adulthood and how different culture perceive time to reach it doesn't mean you can identify as an adult. Keynote " Identify as an adult" Same way a man walking with his two legs cannot say he is a cripple.


Gener is not universal or black or white as you claim. You are mixing up Gender with Sex. Gender is not determined biologically, as a result of sexual characteristics of either women or men, but is constructed socially. They are people suffering from Gender dysphoria.

Bombblacks:

Do you have Gender dysphoria?

Donjazet2:


First of all, this your post has nothing to do with the twitter post I just shared. So you've basically invented a new narrative away from what I said by talking about transgenders and sexual orientation (LGBTQ). That twitter post was about underage children having sex, how does this equate with liberalism?

Now let me actually address your invented narrative, especially @ the bolded.
There is no particular gatekeeper of "liberalism". What you're highlighting is basically the extremism of liberalism and those that believe the bolded are fewer in number, hence the rapid pushback seen against that particular narrative from many including other liberals.

It's universal knowledge that children are incapable of making their own decisions. They need guidance from parents and a caring community.
So yes, extremes are never good, however extremes do not define an entire ideology. So in the end this is apple's and oranges.

Ellexy:
The extremes of yesterday are today's norms. Adults are identifying as kids, men as women and vice versa, whites as blacks and vice versa. Some are identifying as disabled and putting themselves on wheelchairs, some as animals etc. There is no line the woke left [liberals] won't cross.

They're inviting children to drag shows, threatening to take kids away from parents who won't pander to their madness. Making a case to justify paedophilia in calling pedophiles "Minor attracted persons".

If in the world of liberals, you can identify as anything and do whatever you like with whoever is down with you, what is wrong if those kids identify as teenagers or adults and exploring themselves? Afterall they are not harming anybody are they?

It's a free world, live and let live, stop being judgemental and mind your business. Why hate on the kids...

Theflint1:
Well said, and the outliers/extremists of today will down the road be seen as the pioneers; those who helped create a more equal and just world.

Donjazet2:


I'm thinking of how to qualify this post exactly. Those "pioneers" you speak of in your post, do you qualify them as "good" or "bad" people??

Do you personally view them positively or negatively?

Ellexy:
The extremes of yesterday are today's norms. Adults are identifying as kids, men as women and vice versa, whites as blacks and vice versa. Some are identifying as disabled and putting themselves on wheelchairs, some as animals etc. There is no line the woke left [liberals] won't cross.

They're inviting children to drag shows, threatening to take kids away from parents who won't pander to their madness. Making a case to justify paedophilia in calling pedophiles "Minor attracted persons".

If in the world of liberals, you can identify as anything and do whatever you like with whoever is down with you, what is wrong if those kids identify as teenagers or adults and exploring themselves? Afterall they are not harming anybody are they?

It's a free world, live and let live, stop being judgemental and mind your business. Why hate on the kids...

seankafor:
to be honest eeh, I don't understand the basis of your arguments most times

You embrace selective wokeness and liberalism.. who do you think you are?
You support lesbians, gays, trans, gender equality, noun/pronoun identification, but yet you don't accept kids sexually exploring themselves ..

I ask you again, who do you think you are?

Donjazet2:


I'm asking again and again;

What has liberalism got to do with underage sex? Has there been any liberal who said, it's okay and acceptable for children to have sex??

And what makes you think that all liberals think exactly the same?

Once again, liberalism is an ideology whose basic principles are equality under the law, progressive changes to society and an open society free of discrimination.

Various liberals have different interpretation of these ideals, hence a slight tendency for extremes. But extremes don't define the whole body.

There are some radical christians and moslems who actively kill people for their belief, does it define all religious people as bad or extremes??

seankafor:
and I ask again, who do you think you are to decide where to draw the line?

Since you embrace wokeness, you should embrace it with all entirety not drawing the lines where it doesn't suit you

Donjazet2:


What exactly is "wokeness"? An ideology? A movement? What is that?

And what encompasses "wokeness". I would like to know. And I ask, have you heard me say I'm woke or something along that line?

Because all I see is someone of low intellect who simply can't understand the depth of arguments he profers.

seankafor:
when you support all these absurdities and irregularities called LGBTQ+, what do you think it is?

So you finished supporting LGBTQ+, and you want me not to support underage sex?

I ask again, who do you think you are?

Donjazet2:


I'm thinking of how to qualify this post exactly. Those "pioneers" you speak of in your post, do you qualify them as "good" or "bad" people??

Do you personally view them positively or negatively?

Ibime:
Roland17 must have typed this message making rounds on Naija WhatsApp groups now

izzou:
As a liberal, i can permit my child to have sex and use Durex, instead of Gold circle.

If someone who is a man has the right to choose to be a woman, i cannot still find what is wrong with that video.

DonJ, Judgemental somebody ni e

odizeey:
Yes or no. No need for back and forth

Donjazet2:


It's the fact that you can't see the sheer illogicality in your posts.
How is liberalism equal to underage sex??

Which liberal has ever argued that underage sex is acceptable?

Why exactly are you equating gay people to straight underage sex?

Even sef by your logic, you that supports and actively engages in defrauding innocent citizens, do you also support murdering and slaughtering Innocent citizens?? My point here is that, there is no general consensus on liberalism.

Each individual interprets his belief system based on those ideals and yes some might be extreme.

There is no reason why, because I support the rights and equality of gay people, I'm somehow bound to also support underage sex. Your logic is not logicing.

raumdeuter:


You having to give your child permission is even a conservative thing, By liberal standards, They are human and should take decisions for themselves

The Florida law that became a controversy was a law that says "You cannot teach any kid under 9yrs about sexuality WITHOUT PARENTAL CONSENT ". Yet liberals lost their minds and claimed it was repressive to seek parental consent before you teach kids under 9yrs about sex

Liberals argue that Children these days do not need parent permission to change their sex or take hormone blockers, Something that alters them for life, why should they take permission to have sex?


And if we are being honest, Having consensual sex with your agemate before 18yrs is less damaging than changing your gender before 18yrs. A significant number of adults alive today had consensual sexual encounters with their agemates before they became legal adults and they are normal adults today. So kids having consensual sex with their agemates is less damaging than surgically altering their sex

Don't mind the double faced liberals.

Always trying to cherrypick.

Those kids are not hurting anybody; Their prick, their towtow, their money.

Donjazet2:


Again, painting all liberals with one brush as though they share a single common world view.

I need you to read and understand that last line in this definition very well.

It says; LIBERALS ESPOUSE VARIOUS VIEWS DEPENDING ON THEIR UNDERSTANDING OF THESE PRINCIPLES .

I personally do not understand transgenderism. I've tried to research but it's been largely inadequate. So since I can't understand this, I barely engage on a subject matter I don't firmly grasp but what is inalienable or inarguable is their equal rights as human being.

Whatever one wishes to identify as is his or her inalienable right but one thing I believe is universal is the notion that children are incapable of making their own decisions. Any bad character displayed by a child is an indictment of his parents or guardians.

This is simply strawmanship because you haven't shown me the correlation between underage children having sex and what it has to do with liberalism. These are nigerian kids, is our society not largely a conservative society?? You're misdirecting your points the wrong way.

Ibime:
Roland17 must have typed this message making rounds on Naija WhatsApp groups now

raumdeuter:


You having to give your child permission is even a conservative thing, By liberal standards, They are human and should take decisions for themselves

The Florida law that became a controversy was a law that says "You cannot teach any kid under 9yrs about sexuality WITHOUT PARENTAL CONSENT ". Yet liberals lost their minds and claimed it was repressive to seek parental consent before you teach kids under 9yrs about sex

Liberals argue that Children these days do not need parent permission to change their sex or take hormone blockers, Something that alters them for life, why should they take permission to have sex?


And if we are being honest, Having consensual sex with your agemate before 18yrs is less damaging than changing your gender before 18yrs. A significant number of adults alive today had consensual sexual encounters with their agemates before they became legal adults and they are normal adults today. So kids having consensual sex with their agemates is less damaging than surgically altering their sex

Roland17:


E no go be first time wen people dey come here come steal posts and repost on SM. Few are respectful and ask for permission but most no even care, dem go renovate am or even copy and paste sef.

As long as the word is out there, I am satisfied.

Roland17:


E no go be first time wen people dey come here come steal posts and repost on SM. Few are respectful and ask for permission but most no even care, dem go renovate am or even copy and paste sef.

As long as the word is out there, I am satisfied. Also, I no dey WhatsApp or SM sef, except you count NL as SM.

Bombblacks:

You cannot identify as an adult. Both comparison you are trying to make are not even the same thing.