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OkCornel:
Ever heard of concubines in your Bible?

Did Judah also marry Tamar before she conceived? Hmmm?

Back to my question, where in Songs of Solomon did the author mention these lovers are husband and wife?!

When I say most Nigerian Christians are shallow, you are justifying it by your comments here

Oya vex, spew more insults

What is the connection between Judah and Tamar with the bride and groom in songs of Solomon?

Judah and Tamar never belonged to each other before she got pregnant m, their union only came after.

What is this this at bolded?

Song of Solomon 4:8 Come with me from Lebanon, my spouse, with me from Lebanon: look from the top of Amana, from the top of Shenir and Hermon, from the lions' dens, from the mountains of the leopards.

See the confirmation that they were already married but probably the proper wedding celebration for all to see had not being done.

So Jesus has anointed another JS as apostle!

Johnson Suleiman
Joshua Selman

OK nah!

Steep:
What is the connection between Judah and Tamar with the bride and groom in songs of Solomon?

Judah and Tamar never belonged to each other before she got pregnant m, their union only came after.

What is this this at bolded?

Song of Solomon 4:8 Come with me from Lebanon, my spouse, with me from Lebanon: look from the top of Amana, from the top of Shenir and Hermon, from the lions' dens, from the mountains of the leopards.

See the confirmation that they were already married but probably the proper wedding celebration for all to see had not being done.

Continue to verse 9. What did he call her?

All these roundabout still doesn't answer my question.

How does admiring someone's breast become something divine and a basis for reproof, correction and sound doctrine?!

Songs of Solomon 8 v 8-10

8 We have a little sister, and she hath no breasts: what shall we do for our sister in the day when she shall be spoken for?
9 If she be a wall, we will build upon her a palace of silver: and if she be a door, we will inclose her with boards of cedar.
10 I am a wall, and my breasts like towers: then was I in his eyes as one that found favour.

What is the morals in the above verses?

If Romeo and Juliet's romance story or Kamasutra was in the Bible, Nigerian Christians will come here and defend it passionately as the word of God.

Smh for mental programming...

Kobojunkie:
My intention is not to hold brief for any person here.

The verses you quoted do not say that your Bible is the Word of God, as it instead points to Scripture being inspired(not necessarily of Truth) of God, and we know that even the words of Satan(the father of lies himself) are recorded in Scripture.

So, your submission?

OkCornel:
Smh, you have confused Apocrypha for Pseudepigrapha.

Let me laugh a bit. You want to tell us the book of Maccabees is a fraudulent book?

Events that happened in Maccabees (the conquest of Israel by Antiochus Epiphanies) can also be verified by historians is a fraudulent book?

Most Nigerian Christians are really shallow. I’m not surprised

Hello. You just mentioned me. Anything for me?

OkCornel:
How can these verses be used for doctrine, reproof, correct and instruction in righteousness?

Songs of Solomon 4 v 3-5;

3 Your lips are like a scarlet thread, and your mouth is lovely.Your cheeks are like halves of a pomegranate behind your veil.
4 Your neck is like the tower of David, built in rows of stone; on it hang a thousand shields, all of them shields of warriors.
5 Your two breasts are like two fawns, twins of a gazelle, that graze among the lilies.

Actually I believe not all words in the bible are of God but how did the songs of solomon find their way into the bible. Honestly the person who put songs of solomon in the bible no do well at all. That is the portion of my bible that i always avoid. Very soon I'll start tearing it out sef.

Antiochus:
Actually I believe not all words in the bible are of God but how did the songs of solomon find their way into the bible. Honestly the person who put songs of solomon in the bible no do well at all. That is the portion of my bible that i always avoid. Very soon I'll start tearing it out sef.

Thanks for your openness and honesty.
Which is quite scarce among most Nigerian Christians

VBCampaign:
Really?!

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Discuss the above scripture in the light of your submission

Every thing in scripture is not accurate historically, geographically or otherwise, however, they are still profitable. Profitability is not necessarily accuracy.
Folktales about the tortoise are profitable for moral instruction, it does not mean they happened does it?

VBCampaign:
JOSHUA SELMAN IS A FALSE TEACHER

By: Biodun Shotola and Deji Yesufu

“A dog barks when his master is attacked. I would be a coward if I saw that the truth of God is attacked and yet remained silent.” – John Calvin

We acknowledge, along with the rest of the Christian community, that God operates in mysterious ways and may employ even the most unqualified individuals to tend to his flock. However, we reject the notion that a man who consistently assails the inspired scripture and preaches messages contrary to the holy scriptures can be deemed “a man sent from God.” Joshua Selman, a self-proclaimed apostle from Nigeria, has been lauded by certain “Christians” for his purported feat of shutting down the largest indoor arena in the UK. These “Christians” consider Selman’s achievement in the UK as a sign of a 21st-century revival.

Yet, as disciples of our Lord Jesus Christ, we stand in opposition to this man, his false doctrines, and his so-called revival. We choose to distance ourselves from the fallacious belief that a man, merely by invoking God’s name or amassing a considerable following, is divinely ordained to spearhead a revival. It would have been preferable, or at the very least prudent, if his works had not been attributed to our Lord. We shall persistently and resolutely employ all the resources that our God has provided us to denounce this imposter. While we empathize with our critics, who are easily swayed by their emotions, we derive no satisfaction from being labeled “holier than thou” or “assistant to Jesus.” Our critics may hurl insults and utter whatever they wish, but it is our duty to expose false teachers.

We shall refrain from laboring to expound in detail on the erroneous teachings of this man. Such an undertaking would be superfluous and an article cannot document all the false messages of Joshua Selman. Perhaps we may briefly touch upon a few of them. This is not an act of cowardice or an attempt to misconstrue the man’s sermons. Many sincere Christians have already highlighted the egregiousness of this man’s teachings. However, instead of adopting the Berean attitude of scrutinizing Selman’s message, his followers and sympathizers have resorted to name-calling.

In one of his messages, Selman attempted to explain the involvement of Joseph of Arimathea in the burial of Jesus Christ, stating, “The name of Jesus is so weighty that it requires financial resources to exalt it before the world.” However, this teaching by Selman deviates from scriptural truth, the teachings of the apostolic fathers, and the spiritual leaders of our faith. Nowhere in the Bible did Jesus or any of the Old Testament prophets suggest that financial resources are necessary to elevate the name of Jesus.
In another video, Selman boldly declared to his audience that not every verse in the Bible is the word of God. He went on to say, “There are many things Paul said in the Bible that are inconsistent with the character of God.” This statement directly undermines the divine inspiration of the word of God and amounts to an attack on its authenticity.

In yet another video, Joshua Selman tells the story of how he obtained his apostolic credentials. He talks about meeting Apostle Paul and conversing with him. Yet again, he meets with no other than Jesus Christ, who imparts apostolic authority and prophetic mantles on him. In the video, titled “MY ENCOUNTER WITH APOSTLE PAUL AND THE LORD JESUS”, Selman recounts other encounters with both biblical figures and historical Christian figures – who are long dead. It is the stock in trade of false teachers to employ vision of encounters with divine beings, like angels, to legitimize their claims to the apostolic. When you remember that the foremost modus operandi of false teachers is to resort to dreams and revelation, rather than depend on the simplicity of teaching scripture, you understand that Selman is yet another false Apostle – a false teacher that the Bible command we beware of.

Charles Spurgeon, in a sermon delivered on March 18th, 1885, regarding the Bible, eloquently proclaimed, “Thou book of immense authority, thou art a proclamation from the Emperor of Heaven; far be it from me to employ my reason to contradict thee. Reason! Your role is to stand and discern the meaning of this volume, not to dictate what this book ought to convey. Come, my reason, my intellect, sit down and listen, for these words are the very words of God.”

Certain critics, driven more by their emotions than by scripture, adamantly assert that the gathering of such a multitude can only be a work of God. They contend that it is inconceivable for someone who is not a true apostle of God to attract thousands to their meetings. We remind our critics of the inspired words of Peter:

2 Peter 2:2 – And MANY will follow their destructive ways because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. (Emphasis added)

In a rather derisive manner, our critics have asked us, “What have you done to preach Christ’s gospel?” While we could respond to our critics with a detailed account of our endeavors, our sense of piety restrains us from succumbing to the sin of pride. Instead, we implore our critics to focus on the matter at hand and refrain from constructing straw man arguments. Is the message that Selman preaches aligned with the teachings of Christ? If Christ were to descend today, would he commend Selman’s efforts or rebuke him? How else should we describe a man who fails to proclaim the excellences of Christ? It is far from acceptable for us to remain silent when our Savior is diminished and a man is exalted. We shall not permit an impostor to usurp the honor that belongs to our God.

A newly converted Christian, who has embraced the true Gospel and recently placed their faith in Christ Jesus, would find it utterly preposterous to be instructed that they must journey to Abeokuta and Lagos in order to succeed in life – as Joshua Selman once suggested in a sermon. The new Christian understands the redemption offered by Christ from the consequences of sin. They acknowledge that they possess no inherent goodness and will never be capable of fulfilling God’s righteousness through their own efforts. They find solace in the good news that the sins of sinners can be transferred to Jesus Christ, while the righteousness of Christ is imputed to the sinner.

Scripture contains numerous admonitions regarding false teachers. None of these impostors would brazenly declare to a congregation, “I am false and an enemy of Christ.” Instead, they present themselves in sheep’s clothing. They may employ the language of the chosen, yet they are deceivers. They may invoke the name of Christ and perform miracles in His name, but they are enemies of God. We implore our readers, who may perceive our fervor as unrestrained, to reflect upon the words of Jesus Christ:

Matthew 24:24 – For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.

Deji Yesufu is a missionary pastor to Providence Reformed Baptist Church, within University of Ibadan, Ibadan. Biodun Shotola, the lead writer of this piece, is a graduate of Archaeology, University of Ibadan, and a member of Providence Church.

Source: https://textandpublishing.com/joshua-selman-is-a-false-teacher/

lol almost one million words on something we call introduction 🤣🤣🤣

Then only two lines on said false teaching

Haba fear God na

Me I no be Selman fan o, but this bulshit dey smell. Instead of the author to simply state the errors the man may have taught or said, na to waste person time read all these 10 million words to commend someone....

VBCampaign:
Really?!

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Discuss the above scripture in the light of your submission

Even the words of Job's friends is also scripture

VBCampaign:
The words of Satan are in scripture is a pointer to the fact that we live in a world full of demons and Deception. But the Holy Bible are the very words of God bc the Bible, as a collective, do not present the words of Satan but the words of God, especially such as point us to salvation to come.

When Selman teaches that the Bible is not the word of God, and adds that Paul's words are not necessarily the words of God, Selman is contending against God himself who says Paul's words are Scripture: 2 Peter 3:15-16.

see how you jump into conclusion about both the bible and not surprisingply about what Selman may have taught.

In your mind now, a true false teacher will come out and condemn the bible.

Believers be baptized and pray in the Holy Ghost. You are welcome to join us for one hour prayer

The charismatic/pentecostal movement just like Roman catholicism and the rest are frought with errors and deceptions they depend on personal experiences and emotions rather than the word of God hence Satan leads them astray.
Once the word of God is kicked out then Satan can have his way, when he came to eve he made eve to doubt the word of word and hence made her fall.
The devil is smart, he infiltrates the churches with his ministers pretending to be of christ but subtly introduce errors.

OkCornel:
How can these verses be used for doctrine, reproof, correct and instruction in righteousness?
Songs of Solomon 4 v 3-5;
3 Your lips are like a scarlet thread, and your mouth is lovely.Your cheeks are like halves of a pomegranate behind your veil.
4 Your neck is like the tower of David, built in rows of stone; on it hang a thousand shields, all of them shields of warriors.
5 Your two breasts are like two fawns, twins of a gazelle, that graze among the lilies.

All scriptures is INSPIRED...and BENEFICIAL!

A fully competent and completely equiped man of God should be a sound poet able to compose romantic poems for his woman! Genesis 2:23

Meanwhile... The scripture referred to here was the old testament, Paul, when he was writing this letter to Timothy, did not know his letters would be added to a collection of books called the Bible.

VBCampaign:
Really?!

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Discuss the above scripture in the light of your submission

Songs of Solomon is sound doctrine for married couples...

OkCornel:
Continue to verse 9. What did he call her?

All these roundabout still doesn't answer my question.

How does admiring someone's breast become something divine and a basis for reproof, correction and sound doctrine?!

Songs of Solomon 8 v 8-10

8 We have a little sister, and she hath no breasts: what shall we do for our sister in the day when she shall be spoken for?
9 If she be a wall, we will build upon her a palace of silver: and if she be a door, we will inclose her with boards of cedar.
10 I am a wall, and my breasts like towers: then was I in his eyes as one that found favour.

What is the morals in the above verses?

If Romeo and Juliet's romance story or Kamasutra was in the Bible, Nigerian Christians will come here and defend it passionately as the word of God.

Smh for mental programming...

brazenwalls:
Songs of Solomon is sound doctrine for married couples...

Remember the author of the book had 300 concubines.

Just saying…. He was a God fearing polygamist.

brazenwalls:
Songs of Solomon is sound doctrine for married couples...

There is no truth to this given it instead plays more to unmarried men and women sharing romantic desires.

Kobojunkie:
There is no truth to this given it instead plays more to unmarried men and women sharing romantic desires.

🤝

Well, yes it plays more to unmarried and was written with the unmarried in mind, but for right application, married peeps should take advantage of it.

Kobojunkie:
There is no truth to this given it instead plays more to unmarried men and women sharing romantic desires.

brazenwalls:
Well, yes it plays more to unmarried and was written with the unmarried in mind, but for right application, married peeps should take advantage of it.

If you have to twist and skew the content to get this your "application" does that not mean you abandon entirely the authors intention to assert your own its place? Basically, the intended message of the writings are rendered of no real value by your twists and misuse.

There is no twisting or skewing. We can't apply ALL that is in the scripture as they appear in scripture. We have to apply them in the right ways. Songs of Solomon is clearly intended for the unmarried, but should we now encourage youths to Song of Solomon 7:7-8?

Kobojunkie:
If you have to twist and skew the content to get this your "application" does that not mean you abandon entirely the authors intention to assert your own its place? Basically, the intended message of the writings are rendered of no real value by your twists and misuse.

brazenwalls:
There is no twisting or skewing. We can't apply ALL that is in the scripture as they appear in scripture. We have to apply them in the right ways. Songs of Solomon is clearly intended for the unmarried, but should we now encourage youths to Song of Solomon 7:7-8?

See...no deviating please!

Again, you admit that the entire book Is literally dedicated to the fire of desire that pours through the bodies of unmarried persons aware they really do not belong to each other, no talk of marriage at all. You however claimed that through some twisting and skewing of that fact you could get the book to become of use to married folks. This prompted my earlier question which is if all of that is required before the book can be of use to you, doesn't that then mean the author's original intention is in fact of no use to you in marriage?

If you can't apply scripture As-Is., then what good is Scripture to you and those you claim to teach it too?

If you can't accept Scripture AS-IS and resort instead to diminishing its message to get for yourself a message that fits into your particular agenda, then why do you pretend.you need Scripture?