₦airaland Forum

Penguin2:
Obi won Taraba in the northeast but it was rigged for Atiku.

Obi got more votes in Adamawa, Bauchi and Gombe than was allotted to him.

Are you saying that if INEC had allowed for transparency in the last election that the outcome wouldn’t have been different?

fergie001:
Did you not factor that there will be rigging in the 2023 election?
Every politician in the Country, Obi inclusive, knew there was going to be some % of rigging, so it isn't strange to me at all.

Rigging will continue to reduce hopefully, but it will remain there. Atiku & Tinubu can also argue their votes were suppressed elsewhere. See for the umpteenth time, if CPC, ANPP, nPDP, APGA-faction, AC had not come together, the PDP will remain in power today.

If PDP & LP go into 2027 separately, they will meet a definite outcome, DEFEAT. It is the obvious truth.

Penguin2:
Maybe I’m just too straightforward that I tend to believe people when they say something.

I believed INEC when they said that they would upload the election result to the IREV from polling units. I also believed them because they had done that in Anambra, Ekiti and Osun. And had they done that, the election would have been almost impossible to rig.

GREATIGB0MAN:


So what politician in Nigeria have better supporters than Obi?


How would the attitude of his supporters not make him win?

Are you saying he'd never have new supporters?

What Obi need at this stage is more framework and reach


Nothing on earth will stop Obi from wining if he moves to a major party.

Nothing!so you think only the south south and southeast will vote during election...even southwest don wise,and northern region will never vote for him!

GREATIGB0MAN:


So what politician in Nigeria have better supporters than Obi?


How would the attitude of his supporters not make him win?

Are you saying he'd never have new supporters?

What Obi need at this stage is more framework and reach


Nothing on earth will stop Obi from wining if he moves to a major party.

Nothing!

fergie001:
It is our reality.

Aiel123:
I go with your take on Atiku being the only candidate with the wherewithal to go head on with Tinubu.
Atiku is still in control of the PDP structure.
Aside Rivers and Oyo, especially with Ortom and his G5 renegades poor outing,the leadership of the party in these states will now answer to wherever the PDP stands.
Saraki,Dankwambo ,Bala and co has no clout as Atiku's.
PDP will field a northern candidate in 2027.
Any other thing will mean an outright defeat.
Had the PDP southern caucus worked with the mein of Adeleke and the brutish strength of Wike, especially SS,a rerun would have been possible.
Obaseki,Okowa did little.

Aiel123:
I go with your take on Atiku being the only candidate with the wherewithal to go head on with Tinubu.
Atiku is still in control of the PDP structure.
Aside Rivers and Oyo, especially with Ortom and his G5 renegades poor outing,the leadership of the party in these states will now answer to wherever the PDP stands.
Saraki,Dankwambo ,Bala and co has no clout as Atiku's.
PDP will field a northern candidate in 2027.
Any other thing will mean an outright defeat.
Had the PDP southern caucus worked with the mein of Adeleke and the brutish strength of Wike, especially SS,a rerun would have been possible.
Obaseki,Okowa did little.

fergie001:
Did you not factor that there will be rigging in the 2023 election?
Every politician in the Country, Obi inclusive, knew there was going to be some % of rigging, so it isn't strange to me at all.

Rigging will continue to reduce hopefully, but it will remain there. Atiku & Tinubu can also argue their votes were suppressed elsewhere. See for the umpteenth time, if CPC, ANPP, nPDP, APGA-faction, AC had not come together, the PDP will remain in power today.

If PDP & LP go into 2027 separately, they will meet a definite outcome, DEFEAT. It is the obvious truth.

BERNIMOORE:
fielding Atiku @81 in 2027 even dog bingo will bark at him to go and rest...
Rivers & Oyo will Not support Atiku for sure...Seyi Makinde is Tinubu Ally and Fubara will make listen to his mentor wike.
Tinubu will just stroll easily to second term...if Atiku is fielded then PDP will come distant 3rd to LP

Aiel123:
Let's face it squarely.
Who do you think among the southern PDP folks that can shake,or cause any small upset against Tinubu? Just name one.
And to think should PO decides to contest he would have his SS and SE votes this same as this year's or even greater depending on Tinubu's performance - which I know he would perform reasonably well, that PDP will be left with just The North. SW is a no go area. In 2027 you'll see it play out.
And only Atiku is that northerner with the resource to aim for the presidency.
See,If PDP picks a southerner and PO chooses to contest they would come third but not with Atiku.
Bulk of PDP's votes came from the north. Infact more than half in it's entirety.
So they need someone who would still command and control that northern terrains and rein in their own people in the south to scavenge for whatever votes remaining.
That's my point.

Penguin2:
Obi won Taraba in the northeast but it was rigged for Atiku.

Obi got more votes in Adamawa, Bauchi and Gombe than was allotted to him.

Are you saying that if INEC had allowed for transparency in the last election that the outcome wouldn’t have been different?

ebenezary:
I see obi win 2027 if tinubu fail to get the subsidy and fuel price right

Crowdboom:
Obi can never win election under pdp again take it or leave i
By that time, there will be pay back from Atiku's cancus.

Raheeqilmaktoom:
They have better options than those two, but they need to work and put themselves out there. There are many strong and influential executives and party members who subscribe to the PDP way.

A lot depends on the current president and how the next 4 years shape out, but Kwankwaso and Obi have most likely kissed their chances with PDP a bye.

There are custodians behind the powers that be in parties that won't let those two anywhere near their tickets.

Atiku was given a chance because
1. They feel he is one of them, he has PDP in him even if he at various times defected, he is a top politician - a brand in himself, can move and shake things and was a founding member of the party, sacrificed his own ambitions at various times for others and many more. Imagine a Buhari in PDP, that's how Kwankwaso or Obi will look in PDP.
2. The custodians are very comfortable with him.
3. He was their best shot at getting the top job, this is an unappreciated point, even with Obi and Kwakwaso wrecking havoc on the party's base, Atiku came second, that speaks volumes.

This last point is the reason Tambuwal sacrificed Wike at the primaries - in the overall interest of the party.

Zxcvbnmghtr:
I have a feeling that when the time is right. When Nigerians truely see the light. Peter Obi will return to PDP, rebuild it and contest 2027. At the moment we are still in court.

gidgiddy:
No, even Atiku knows theres a limit. At 81, Atiku knows its time to retire

Raheeqilmaktoom:
They have better options than those two, but they need to work and put themselves out there. There are many strong and influential executives and party members who subscribe to the PDP way.

A lot depends on the current president and how the next 4 years shape out, but Kwankwaso and Obi have most likely kissed their chances with PDP a bye.

There are custodians behind the powers that be in parties that won't let those two anywhere near their tickets.

Atiku was given a chance because
1. They feel he is one of them, he has PDP in him even if he at various times defected, he is a top politician - a brand in himself, can move and shake things and was a founding member of the party, sacrificed his own ambitions at various times for others and many more. Imagine a Buhari in PDP, that's how Kwankwaso or Obi will look in PDP.
2. The custodians are very comfortable with him.
3. He was their best shot at getting the top job, this is an unappreciated point, even with Obi and Kwakwaso wrecking havoc on the party's base, Atiku came second, that speaks volumes.

This last point is the reason Tambuwal sacrificed Wike at the primaries - in the overall interest of the party.

Penguin2:
I’m surprised you still think Atiku will still have a chance at the PDP ticket at 81.

Meanwhile, I agree with you that Obi getting PDP ticket in 2027 will be suicidal as a lot of PDP stakeholders are harboring a lot of ill feelings towards him for contesting the 2023 elections against Atiku which they believe denied Atiku victory.

What I see happening however, is that some refined northerners in PDP who share Obi’s ideology might end up switching to Labour Party or working for Obi while in PDP having found out that Obi is a bigger force than they had reckoned him.

One way or the other, I just see LP working with some northern elements of PDP, and even Southern elements too, to have a go at the presidency again. Because as far as Obi remains in Labour Party, LP has more chance at the presidency than the PDP.

This is my practical analysis of realities on ground devoid of any sentiments informed by my support for Obi.

Parachoko:
So Atiku looks like someone that's about to retire to you?

Penguin2:
I hate it when you guys proffer the balkanization of PDP as the reason APC won as though the voters of APC remained unchanged since 2015. If that is the case, then why didn’t APC score the 15million they scored in 2015 or the 13million they scored in 2019?

Again, do you find nothing wrong in the fact that INEC reneged on their promises and guidelines, and shut down the IREV that would have ensured transparent inflow of votes let’s see how much you people’s talk of the Northwest votes would have faired transparently?

The truth is that Atiku, Kwankwaso and Tinubu canceling themselves out in your almighty Northwest is the reason Obi won this election.

Obi scored over 290k votes in Kaduna according to INEC result but LP insists they did more than that to give them 25% in Kaduna, a northwest state.

Obi won in Taraba, even according to votes on IREV, but his votes were allocated to Atiku, and maybe Tinubu. Taraba is the northeast.

Obi also did well, and most likely did above 25% in Adamawa but votes were rigged for Atiku. Adamawa is Atiku’s home state in the northeast too.

So also was Obi’s votes viciously manipulated in Bauchi, Gombe and Borno of northeast. In a form EC8A sighted online on Election Day, Obi scored about 184 votes in a single polling unit in Bauchi Local Government of Bauchi State. But when the result of the entire local government was computed, your INEC allocated just 140 votes to Obi.

Are those the things you are defending?

Remember, I’m still in the north o! I’ve even talked about southern states where even a PDP agent said on National Television that by the result in their possession, Obi scored about 930,000 votes. Those votes were viciously slashed and allocated to Tinubu. Or you think that’s a made up story?

Let’s not talk about the systematic rigging that went on in other Southwest states which resulted in over voting in some states of the region.

See, Tinubu lost the 2023 election woefully

Raheeqilmaktoom:
Man is consolidating his hold on the party, they thought getting the courts to do abracadabra regarding Ayu will see Atiku losen his grip but he is putting in more effort - sad thing though as this is something he should have done way back 2007 - 2011.

All these moves may end up serving APC to retain the seat 2027 and hold on after 2031.

Parachoko:
Atiku should have supported Jonathan in 2015, only God knows what he was thinking back then.

If Obi contest against Asiwaju and Atiku again in 2027, Asiwaju will win.

Asiwaju performance will determine how wide the margin will be

Parachoko:
Nah so you dey analyse say Pandora will win the 2023 Presidential Election

Penguin2:
And what happened?

Why did INEC not allow for a transparent process so that we could have tested my analysis?

Why did INEC turn off the IREV and not allowing it to work like it worked in Anambra, Ekiti and Osun?

Why?

Parachoko:
I'm sorry

You're a 🤡

Penguin2:
That’s your only response to all the things you read up there?

No intelligent, logical or critical response to all my submissions?

Insult is the only response you got?

That says a lot about your mental capacity and intelligent quotient.😏

Parachoko:
We will see who's right between you and INEC very soon

I hope you won't start accusing the Judges wrongly after Obi lose at the Tribunal