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Re: NNPC To Discontinue Crude Swap, Targets Cash Payments For Petrol Imports by pappilo(m): 1:08pm On Jun 05, 2023
Nfora:


Me too just de wonder oo
So where is the N6tr o called subsidy money coming from or going into?

And how come FG is owing NNPC N2.8trillion subsidy money?

Government magic undecided

obinnanelson4:
If they have been engaging in crude swap for refined pms, why then is subsidy in the picture all these while. Or is it that i do not understand what swap means?

There is money value of the exchanged goods to balance for the books. its not simple trade by barter.

Assumptions for calculation sake
1 barrel of crude is $100
1 litre of petrol is $2
You can get 150 litres from each barrel

x NNPC gives Trafiguara 1 barrel of oil
x Finished cost of 1 barrel turned to petrol is $300
x Trafigura will only provide 50 litres of petrol to NNPC for every barrel
x On NNPC books they now have $100 worth of petrol (50 litres) instead of the $100 they should have received for the crude
x They sell the 50 litres to the public at a subsidised $20
x The govt still has to make up the $80 shortfall

That is SUBSIDY
Re: NNPC To Discontinue Crude Swap, Targets Cash Payments For Petrol Imports by SalamRushdie: 1:11pm On Jun 05, 2023
Proudlyngwa:


When other alternatives come into play, supply will be excess and price will drop.

Forget OPEC, cost of drilling varies from location to location, not everyone is an OPEC member
Cost of refining and transportation also varies.

And if Nigerian investors were wise, they will invest in hybrid carburetor.

As long as we are importing the price at the international market will be the determining factor of pump price in Nigeria and when Dnagote resumes I don't see him reducing price because he will be importing crude at international price
Re: NNPC To Discontinue Crude Swap, Targets Cash Payments For Petrol Imports by Nfora: 1:11pm On Jun 05, 2023
GENES11S:
Why would you even swap crude that comprise of many products just for petrol?

To make make matters worst, you still pay heavy money to subsidized it. That's the biggest scam known to man


Yes.

Subsidy is Scam!
Re: NNPC To Discontinue Crude Swap, Targets Cash Payments For Petrol Imports by waveman2: 1:16pm On Jun 05, 2023
That means Trafiguara still has to pay for the cost of the crude which is $100 cos 1 barrel doesn,t only produce 150liter of petrol but with other products.What happens to the other products does it mean we are loosing on them.it doesn't make economic sense.
pappilo:




There is money value of the exchanged goods to balance for the books. its not simple trade by barter.

Assumptions for calculation sake
1 barrel of crude is $100
1 litre of petrol is $2
You can get 150 litres from each barrel

x NNPC gives Trafiguara 1 barrel of oil
x Finished cost of 1 barrel turned to petrol is $300
x Trafigura will only provide 50 litres of petrol to NNPC for every barrel
x On NNPC books they now have $100 worth of petrol (50 litres) instead of the $100 they should have received for the crude
x They sell the 50 litres to the public at a subsidised $20
x The govt still has to make up the $80 shortfall

That is SUBSIDY
Re: NNPC To Discontinue Crude Swap, Targets Cash Payments For Petrol Imports by Reference(m): 1:17pm On Jun 05, 2023
Just listening to 94.3 FM Abuja on the tale of giving out your goat to the butchery and getting only the intestines back (at mind boggling cost I suppose, simply because you don't have a knife to slaughter it)...... grin

Prodigal country. Walahi, this country is due for severe punishment for the reckless waste of God's given resources.
If Nigeria was a 63 year old son the father will have risen from the grave to disown him.
Re: NNPC To Discontinue Crude Swap, Targets Cash Payments For Petrol Imports by Peppysco: 1:43pm On Jun 05, 2023
Coolsat:
We may all end up loving this man called Bola Tinubu.

Some disgruntled people may not love him, no matter what he does.
Re: NNPC To Discontinue Crude Swap, Targets Cash Payments For Petrol Imports by Vision101(m): 1:44pm On Jun 05, 2023
@obinnanelson4
If they have been engaging in crude swap for refined pms, why then is subsidy in the picture all these while. Or is it that i do not understand what swap means?

@me
Crude swap means that:
The nnpc sales crude oil at international prevealing market price.

Uses the money realized to buy pms at the international prevealing market price.

Add the associated cost up to depot.

Total cost plus margin ought to be their selling price. But they sell below the total cost because the price is regulated.

The government will now be obliged to refund them thus: total cost minus the local pms price.

The amount refunded by government is the subsidy. Government has been saying that they don't have money anymore to pay it. They have been borrowing to pay it.

The crude swap was allowed because cbn has not got enough fx to sell for pms import. That was why nnpc was allowed to be the sole importer.

Further note that the amount paid for subsidy belong to the federation account. Hence about 38% of consumption take place in Abuja, Kano and Lagos because of population, number of vehicles and economic activities the states with lesser consumption are shortchanged. Their money is being used to subsidise consumption in those three locations.

If subsidy is removed, their money will be released and if the leaders are prudent they can pay regular salaries and develop more.

Our labour movements are just old school. Everything to them is aluta and strike. I think they need good consultants that are unbiased to advise them.

They should engage the government on what next. Removal of subsidy will favour labour in the midium and long run. There will be creation of jobs by the private sector in the petroleum sector.
Re: NNPC To Discontinue Crude Swap, Targets Cash Payments For Petrol Imports by Patriotsleague: 1:48pm On Jun 05, 2023
Nigeria must stop exporting crude, but NNPC PLC should invest in more refineries, optimize the value chain. You make much more selling pms and diesel, than in selling crude, so many derivatives are made from crude. Our mumu to the West don do. Optimize value across board.
Re: NNPC To Discontinue Crude Swap, Targets Cash Payments For Petrol Imports by Nfora: 1:49pm On Jun 05, 2023
pappilo:




There is money value of the exchanged goods to balance for the books. its not simple trade by barter.

Assumptions for calculation sake
1 barrel of crude is $100
1 litre of petrol is $2
You can get 150 litres from each barrel

x NNPC gives Trafiguara 1 barrel of oil
x Finished cost of 1 barrel turned to petrol is $300
x Trafigura will only provide 50 litres of petrol to NNPC for every barrel
x On NNPC books they now have $100 worth of petrol (50 litres) instead of the $100 they should have received for the crude
x They sell the 50 litres to the public at a subsidised $20
x The govt still has to make up the $80 shortfall

That is SUBSIDY

You are only giving us the more reason, why subsidy is scam.

However, be rightly informed that the major cost in crude oil refining, is the cost of the raw material itself.

But let me just use your figures for illustration purpose only:

The scam is in the details.

Before paying the so called subsidy, do we have the authenticated figures to confirm that actually, we are paying $(300-50) for the cost of refining, such that we get back only 5o litres, instead of 150litres?

Why not make it a straight trade by barter, such that whatever crude we are suppling covers all the costs of refining?With this we can then compare the cost of crude oil we are supplying, with standard and global cost of refining 1 barrel of crude oil?

How about the other by-products of crude oil refining? Who gets and sell them?

Is the $300 confirmed, audited and available to public scrutiny? Could it not be far less such that the difference is going to private pockets of thieves and economic saboteurs?

The more you make a simple process, complex, the more the propensity for fraud and scam!!
Re: NNPC To Discontinue Crude Swap, Targets Cash Payments For Petrol Imports by Nfora: 1:54pm On Jun 05, 2023
Vision101:
@obinnanelson4
If they have been engaging in crude swap for refined pms, why then is subsidy in the picture all these while. Or is it that i do not understand what swap means?

@me
Crude swap means that:
The nnpc sales crude oil at international prevealing market price.

Uses the money realized to buy pms at the international prevealing market price.

Add the associated cost up to depot.

Total cost plus margin ought to be their selling price. But they sell below the total cost because the price is regulated.

The government will now be obliged to refund them thus: total cost minus the local pms price.

The amount refunded by government is the subsidy. Government has been saying that they don't have money anymore to pay it. They have been borrowing to pay it.

The crude swap was allowed because cbn has not got enough fx to sell for pms import. That was why nnpc was allowed to be the sole importer.

Further note that the amount paid for subsidy belong to the federation account. Hence about 38% of consumption take place in Abuja, Kano and Lagos because of population, number of vehicles and economic activities the states with lesser consumption are shortchanged. Their money is being used to subsidise consumption in those three locations.

If subsidy is removed, their money will be released and if the leaders are prudent they can pay regular salaries and develop more.

Our labour movements are just old school. Everything to them is aluta and strike. I think they need good consultants that are unbiased to advise them.

They should engage the government on what next. Removal of subsidy will favour labour in the midium and long run. There will be creation of jobs by the private sector in the petroleum sector.



Your explanation differs from that of Papillo.

You guys are only confirming the scam in Subsidy!

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Re: NNPC To Discontinue Crude Swap, Targets Cash Payments For Petrol Imports by OAFMods: 1:57pm On Jun 05, 2023
So Nigeria should not breath because of Dangote refinery. Same you want Nigeria to continue for one extra month with the failure of Buhari. Make person just de look you people n your sensless argument


garriAndsugar:

If dangote refinery was coming up next month why would the commander in thief remove subsidy this month when he can just wait one more month. Continue to believe governmental lies at your old age
Re: NNPC To Discontinue Crude Swap, Targets Cash Payments For Petrol Imports by Sisora(m): 2:00pm On Jun 05, 2023
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Re: NNPC To Discontinue Crude Swap, Targets Cash Payments For Petrol Imports by Vision101(m): 2:10pm On Jun 05, 2023
@Nfora


Your explanation differs from that of Papillo.

You guys are only confirming the scam in Subsidy!


@me
I'm not disputing that there could not be any scam and other corruption in the whole arrangement. Like anything associated with the public sector in this country they will definitely exploit it.

They could swap more and account for less. Such people will not allow subsidy to end.

I don't work for government and I'm not a politician. I just explained the meaning and some of the benefits of removal of subsidy.

It's affecting me too. But let's get ride once and for all the scam, corruption etc associated with subsidy and move on. There are so much to do: fx, power, insecurity etc.
Re: NNPC To Discontinue Crude Swap, Targets Cash Payments For Petrol Imports by Amucha: 2:14pm On Jun 05, 2023
So, we are swapping Crude oil with refined oil?
Where is the subsidy then?
Re: NNPC To Discontinue Crude Swap, Targets Cash Payments For Petrol Imports by ggood: 2:17pm On Jun 05, 2023
SalamRushdie:
Wait so we were swapping crude for petrol and then still claiming to pay subsidy? People need to be shot at firing squads
yes na, buhari regime loot it more
Re: NNPC To Discontinue Crude Swap, Targets Cash Payments For Petrol Imports by garriAndsugar: 2:28pm On Jun 05, 2023
kokomilala:
@garriAnd sugar, man, come on! You and the people who shared and liked your response are being disingenuous.

Tinubu didn't not end the subsidy regime. Buhari technically ended it by paying up to June. Tinubu only announced its demise.

I think it was Shehu Sani who had opined before May 29 that Buhari had set traps for Tinubu. Buhari could have handled the issue in such a way that Nigeria would be exiting the subsidy regime by the time Dangote refinery starts refining, which is August. So, in effect, Buhari could have paid up to the end of July. But no, he decided to pass the problem to the next government.
Why can't tinubu wait till the end of June before announcing it to reduce panic and early suffering of Nigerians.. at least by then he must have put measures in place to reduce the effect of subsidy removal.. do you know what people are passing through because of this panic he caused?
Re: NNPC To Discontinue Crude Swap, Targets Cash Payments For Petrol Imports by Uchek(m): 2:31pm On Jun 05, 2023
Totally agreewith u!

garriAndsugar:

If dangote refinery was coming up next month why would the commander in thief remove subsidy this month when he can just wait one more month. Continue to believe governmental lies at your old age

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Re: NNPC To Discontinue Crude Swap, Targets Cash Payments For Petrol Imports by sreamsense: 2:41pm On Jun 05, 2023
garriAndsugar:

If dangote refinery was coming up next month why would the commander in thief remove subsidy this month when he can just wait one more month. Continue to believe governmental lies at your old age
And tell me how best you think your 3rd class online president sleeping at Tribunal would have done it using his trail and error approach.
Re: NNPC To Discontinue Crude Swap, Targets Cash Payments For Petrol Imports by garriAndsugar: 2:43pm On Jun 05, 2023
sreamsense:

And tell me how best you think your 3rd class online president sleeping at Tribunal would have done it using his trail and error approach.
Go and ask your grandfather
Re: NNPC To Discontinue Crude Swap, Targets Cash Payments For Petrol Imports by wolexade2018: 2:53pm On Jun 05, 2023
That is practical lie because what majorly determine the price of PETROL is not the supply side but demand and price of CRUDE OIL at the international market
seunmsg:
As many importers as possible should be allowed to import petrol in as much as they can source their forex from the parallel market since there is no more subsidy. Once supply is increased and with Dangote refinery coming up next month, the price should go down.
Re: NNPC To Discontinue Crude Swap, Targets Cash Payments For Petrol Imports by Proudlyngwa(m): 3:15pm On Jun 05, 2023
SalamRushdie:


As long as we are importing the price at the international market will be the determining factor of pump price in Nigeria and when Dnagote resumes I don't see him reducing price because he will be importing crude at international price
Fuel is not sold at a unified price world wide, what is controlled is the price of crude not petrol
Re: NNPC To Discontinue Crude Swap, Targets Cash Payments For Petrol Imports by onegig(m): 3:19pm On Jun 05, 2023
obinnanelson4:
If they have been engaging in crude swap for refined pms, why then is subsidy in the picture all these while. Or is it that i do not understand what swap means?

It is simple. The crude oil swaps shows how wasteful Nigeria is , We give out crude oil in return for petrol. 30% of extracts from Crude oil is only petrol . Nigeria does not ask for the 70% extracts to diesel, lubricants etc. We term those "wastes" and they don't factor in our deals. 70% resources going to waste and enrich few people because we want to subsidize petrol and guarantee supplies. NNPC doesn't have the funds to directly pay for the petrol so they do a direct sale , direct purchase agreement where we exchange crude oil for Petrol because NNPC was the sole importer of petrol and couldn't upfront guarantee payments to such dealers.

This has been on going since 2016. Other firms aren't interested in bringing in Petrol because of the Subsidy regime. No company has such balance sheet to allow government owe them Trillions of Naira for months or even a year while paying their foreign suppliers for goods they have already supplied. Deals in the oil sector are mostly settled upfront. I won't just load a tanker of petrol and head to Nigeria to drop when I haven't been paid or don't have an ongoing contract to get immediate payment for my returns.

It isn't surprising that such contracts were signed. Look at all the past contracts we have signed. The PTI one costing us billions, The Malabu contract. It might seem a good deal to just get petrol and avoid scarcity and a default but it boggles the mind that people would sign off the goods of this country to hawks just for a chance to get pittance as kick backs.

It is like giving out your fathers land just to get few Kongos of Garri and palm oil because you don't have money to till the land and extract the produce yourself to feed your "lazy" kids.

The most mind boggling aspect of the crude oil swap is that it just guarantees availability of petrol. They still sell back to us at the International price and we still have to now subsidize it internally.

See why subsidy, crude oil swaps and other contracts has to go? We waste Trillions yearly on such wasteful adventure and wonder why we don't have good roads, electricity or quality basic education. Firms can now even join petrol import and NNPC won't be the sole importer anymore. Since they know if they bring in X-litre of Petrol, they get their X-amount of money back as they sell at whatever profit margin is good to them and are not waiting for an FG bill of sale to be settled in 6months or whenever the FG has funds to settle the difference.

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Re: NNPC To Discontinue Crude Swap, Targets Cash Payments For Petrol Imports by SalamRushdie: 3:19pm On Jun 05, 2023
Proudlyngwa:

Fuel is not sold at a unified price world wide, what is controlled is the price of crude not petrol

The price of crude determines how much petrol is I'm foriegn refineries, afterall it the demand for petroleum products that will determine the price of crude eventually because it's the products the end user needs not crude
Re: NNPC To Discontinue Crude Swap, Targets Cash Payments For Petrol Imports by NovusHomo(m): 3:22pm On Jun 05, 2023
obinnanelson4:
If they have been engaging in crude swap for refined pms, why then is subsidy in the picture all these while. Or is it that i do not understand what swap means?

They are a bunch of thieves. But Nigerians don't care, as long as they have data to insult each other on Nairaland.

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Re: NNPC To Discontinue Crude Swap, Targets Cash Payments For Petrol Imports by Proudlyngwa(m): 3:46pm On Jun 05, 2023
SalamRushdie:


The price of crude determines how much petrol is I'm foriegn refineries, afterall it the demand for petroleum products that will determine the price of crude eventually because it's the products the end user needs not crude
Price of petrol is not unified , availability, supply, season are all factors in petrol pricing.
There will be seasons when fuel price will go high, even if crude price is constant and voice versa, trust me when other refineries come on stream, when they have seen the profitability ,price will come down.
Down forget landing cost for crude to the refinery plays a role, quality of crude, cost of labor, storage and a host of other factors.

Plus when more gas fields are drilled people will convert to gas generators, solar systems and micromanagement.

Believe me, excess supply will crash price
Re: NNPC To Discontinue Crude Swap, Targets Cash Payments For Petrol Imports by Peacecore: 5:27pm On Jun 05, 2023
malware:


If they do the swap, the value of received petrol per litre is N500 (for example), but the Government ask marketers to sell it at let's say N200, meaning that it's the Govt that will bear the burden of the difference, amd that's what subsidy is.
Then who has the crude used for swapping? The marketers or the govt??
Re: NNPC To Discontinue Crude Swap, Targets Cash Payments For Petrol Imports by Abbeytoy(m): 5:39pm On Jun 05, 2023
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Re: NNPC To Discontinue Crude Swap, Targets Cash Payments For Petrol Imports by obinnanelson4(m): 5:50pm On Jun 05, 2023
malware:


If they do the swap, the value of received petrol per litre is N500 (for example), but the Government ask marketers to sell it at let's say N200, meaning that it's the Govt that will bear the burden of the difference, amd that's what subsidy is.
I feel is best if NNPC sells out our crude and get the money value of it 100% in dollars. Who ever has the license as issued by NNPC to go and buy refined products then come and sell period.
Moreso sir, what of the other products in the crude oil after refining?
Re: NNPC To Discontinue Crude Swap, Targets Cash Payments For Petrol Imports by BreconHills(m): 5:53pm On Jun 05, 2023
kingjoe:
did you read what you typed at all.
We have been exchanging crude for petrol all these while and some people are collecting 400 billion as subsidy.
We are only paying for transportation.and you are saying they are correct.chai chai chai

Nobody is saying they are correct.

What I am saying is that there is cost to Nigeria.

1. The swap still produces an international priced petrol which is subsidized. These subsidies allow importers commit all sorts of illegalities such as making double claims. The marketers over lift from depots and smuggle out the excess in neighbouring countries.

2. The amount of crude allocated to the swaps deprives Nigeria if foreign exchange receipts, depressing the reserves and lowering the value of the naira to the usd causing imported inflation.

These two reasons are sufficient for subsidy to be ended without delay.
Re: NNPC To Discontinue Crude Swap, Targets Cash Payments For Petrol Imports by YoungmcCoy56: 6:05pm On Jun 05, 2023
Re: NNPC To Discontinue Crude Swap, Targets Cash Payments For Petrol Imports by alimiadedayo1: 6:45pm On Jun 05, 2023
Ambitious21:


You have no brain 🧠
just like a whole family who trained a useless guy like u

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