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Kobojunkie:
1. No man was created perfect from the beginning. What part of that do you not grasp?

2. A sinner is not made. Rather is person chooses to become a sinner. The same applies to Holiness — conformance to God's Law and standard. No one is born or made Holy by virtue of being born since Holiness is according to the standard that is the Law. Rather one, through choices made, becomes Holy — a law-abiding.

3. Your claim regarding Adam is not in accordance with Scripture. The Law that Adam was given by God was given to Adam after he was made — it was not programmed into him from His creation. So Adam had to prove himself, Holy, by conforming to the standard that is the Law that was given to Him. That is how Holiness is earned.

4. Now you are just simply rambling. Read Isaiah 53 to learn of how even Jesus Christ had to carefully obey God's Law and Commandments in other to be certified Holy by the standard that is God's Law of Moses.

1. Adam was created as a perfect man or imperfect man. Yes or no. Remember that only Jehovah is perfect in the absolute sense
2. Keep contradicting yourself. So Adam was made perfect (without sin) and chose to become a sinner, or, he was a sinner with the ability to sin but not to sin (according to Kobojunkie theory).

3. Was he not holy before he sinned? De play

Aemmyjah:
1. Adam was created as a perfect man or imperfect man. Yes or no. Remember that only Jehovah is perfect in the absolute sense
2. Keep contradicting yourself. So Adam was made perfect (without sin) and chose to become a sinner, or, he was a sinner with the ability to sin but not to sin (according to Kobojunkie theory).
3. Was he not holy before he sinned? De play

1. Again, there is no scriptural evidence for this assertion that holiness is a part of the creation of man, none whatsoever. God is said to be Holy because His very nature conforms or we say He is faithful to the agreement/Law which He gives to us.

2. Your confusion is your issue. Again, no man is determined perfect by virtue of being born or created. If you are having a problem comprehending what is stated, feel to ask questions instead.

3. For the umpteenth time, Adam was not created a Holy man. No man is created Holy from his creation or birth. That is what Scripture insists on. Holiness is derived through continuous submission and obedience to God's Law, and it is God who determines whether a man has fulfilled the requirements of Holiness or not.

Alexandersantos:
humans weren't created with evil thought in the first place

who gave Satan that pride while in heaven?

MaxInDHouse:
NO!
God is not aware of such things that's what it means when He referred to Himself as "HOLY" this connotes PURITY in all aspects God doesn't think of EVIL at all but only GOOD that's why it's impossible for Him to think in that direction!

but he knows the future right?

Kobojunkie:
Well, sure, yes, the "Jesus Christ as a path/Way to redemption" aspect came after sin showed up, but nonetheless Jesus Christ was a part of God's plan from the beginning. If Adam had not sinned, God would have probably rewarded him, Adam, with Jesus Christ — the Truth and Life.

You don't even know what you are saying
Adam's choice to continue living was tk abstain from a certain tree.
Where does Jesus come in?

Kobojunkie:
1. Again, there is no scriptural evidence for this assertion that holiness is a part of the creation of man, none whatsoever. God is said to be Holy because His very nature conforms or we say He is faithful to the agreement/Law which He gives to us.

2. Your confusion is your issue. Again, no man is determined perfect by virtue of being born or created. If you are having a problem comprehending what is stated, feel to ask questions instead.

3. For the umpteenth time, Adam was not created a Holy man. No man is created Holy from his creation or birth. That is what Scripture insists on. Holiness is derived through continuous submission and obedience to God's Law, and it is God who determines whether a man has fulfilled the requirements of Holiness or not.

Only God ia perfect in the absolute sense. Humans cannot and will not be able to display God's qualities perfectly to hiw God display it. Man was made in the image of God and he was perfect, holy, clean, pure but he must use his freewill wisely. You want us to believe that man who was made in God's image was made unholy? Then God himself won't bw described as holy

Aemmyjah:
Only God ia perfect in the absolute sense. Humans cannot and will not be able to display God's qualities perfectly to hiw God display it. Man was made in the image of God and he was perfect, holy, clean, pure but he must use his freewill wisely. You want us to believe that man who was made in God's image was made unholy? Then God himself won't bw described as holy

Man is imperfect by design...

God never intended us to be perfect,

He expects us to make mistakes, learn from it and grow.....

Man is dust, never loose sight of that fact...

sonmvayina:
Man is imperfect by design...

God never intended us to be perfect,

He expects us to make mistakes, learn from it and grow.....

Man is dust, never loose sight of that fact...

Abeg shift
Who call this one
Go and read Deuteronomy 32:4

Aemmyjah:
■ Only God ia perfect in the absolute sense. Humans cannot and will not be able to display God's qualities perfectly to hiw God display it.
■ Man was made in the image of God and he was perfect, holy, clean, pure but he must use his freewill wisely. You want us to believe that man who was made in God's image was made unholy? Then God himself won't bw described as holy

1. Stop diddling yourself with these meaningless garbles abeg!

God Himself said, " Be holy for I the Lord am Holy."
Jesus Christ said, "Be ye Perfect even as your Father in Heaven is perfect."

2. God who made man never said He made man perfect/holy from His beginning. If you insist you know better than God, go ahead.

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ told you He is the Way(God's Law), the Truth( Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil), and the Life(Tree of Eternal Life) in John 14 vs 6. Jesus Christ was already there in the garden even before Adam sinned.

2. Again, Jesus Christ was already right there in the Garden — as part of God's plan— before Adam fell.

3. See response #1 and #2 above.

4. Those who chose the part of righteousness beginning with Abel, Adam's very own son.

1. Show us where Jesus said he ia the tree of the knowledge of good and bad. Are you a member of Power city church? That Pastor Damina with his nonsense teachings

2. Jesus existed long before the earth was created. He witnessed everything that happened in Eden but there was no prior arrangement for him coming to earth to die for sins. If Adam had nit sinned, what is Jesus coming to do?

3. Replied

4. True, The first righteous man was Abel. Adam and Eve and Cain have no gain in Jesus death. They are dead, nothing for them

Aemmyjah:
■ You don't even know what you are saying Adam's choice to continue living was tk abstain from a certain tree.
■ Where does Jesus come in?

1. Say what?

2. WOw... I actually have to continue spoonfeeding you this even after pointing out the obvious.

Kobojunkie:
1. Stop diddling yourself with these meaningless garbles abeg!

God Himself said, " Be holy for I the Lord am Holy."
Jesus Christ said, "Be ye Perfect even as your Father in Heaven is perfect."

2. God who made man never said He made man perfect/holy from His beginning. If you insist you know better than God, go ahead.

1. Peter wrote those words to the anointed Christians. Already, they were holy by their exercising faith in Jesus and their righteous works. Same words were said ti the nation of Israel by Moses. It was only an admonition that they continue to pursue the course of righteousness and become holy as they serve a holy God.

2. God made a sinful man, Adam right?
Jesus is described as the second Adam. Adam waa perfect but he rebelled ans all his offspring are sinners too. Jesus, a righteous man also perfect had to die ro redeem mankind from sin. If the first Adam was not holy according to KOBOJUNKIE (your comments are junky indeed), do yiu make any sense ti believe that the second Adam, who came ti sacrifice to buy back the ine Adam lost was holy?

De read back of Bible

Aemmyjah:
1. Show us where Jesus said he ia the tree of the knowledge of good and bad. Are you a member of Power city church? That Pastor Damina with his nonsense teachings
2. Jesus existed long before the earth was created. He witnessed everything that happened in Eden but there was no prior arrangement for him coming to earth to die for sins. If Adam had nit sinned, what is Jesus coming to do?
3. Replied
4. True, The first righteous man was Abel. Adam and Eve and Cain have no gain in Jesus death. They are dead, nothing for them

Look, maybe it is better for you to wait until after I have taught this obvious Truth of Jesus Christ to your GBs abeg!

Kobojunkie:
1. Say what?

2. WOw... I actually have to continue spoonfeeding you this even after pointing out the obvious.

1. Show us where Jesus is describe as the tree of knowledge of good and bad. Even if Jesus were that tree, should Adam have been punished from eating from it. You just create more problems for yourself. De play

2. You de yan nonsense. God's creation was perfect from the beginning (Deut 32:4) but yiu contradict what Bible says with your own, what yiur pastor is spitting into your head

Kobojunkie:
Look, maybe it is better for you to wait until after I have taught this obvious Truth of Jesus Christ to your GBs abeg!

You quoted Jesus saying he was the tree of knowledge of good and bad. Show us in the Bible. You are running. Keep running na. You quoted John 14:6


King James Version
John 14:6
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Where tree of knowledge of good and bad that God warned man ti abstain from?

Aemmyjah:
1. Peter wrote those words to the anointed Christians. Already, they were holy by their exercising faith in Jesus and their righteous works. Same words were said ti the nation of Israel by Moses. It was only an admonition that they continue to pursue the course of righteousness and become holy as they serve a holy God.

2. God made a sinful man, Adam right? Jesus is described as the second Adam. Adam waa perfect but he rebelled ans all his offspring are sinners too. Jesus, a righteous man also perfect had to die ro redeem mankind from sin. If the first Adam was not holy according to KOBOJUNKIE (your comments are junky indeed), do yiu make any sense ti believe that the second Adam, who came ti sacrifice to buy back the ine Adam lost was holy?

De read back of Bible

1. Wait! God's commandment was only an admonition?

2. Holiness as I explained is derived through compliance with God's Law. Jesus Christ became holy by living His life according to God's Will. He told you this in His Gospels. Jesus Christ was not born Holy — He became Holy. So, your particular kind of confusion is made irritating by the fact that you continue to insist on that which has no bearing on scripture all while asking very ridiculous questions and making ridiculous non-scriptural assertions on top of it all.

Aemmyjah:
You quoted Jesus saying he was the tree of knowledge of good and bad. Show us in the Bible. You are running. Keep running na. You quoted John 14:6
King James Version
John 14:6
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Where tree of knowledge of good and bad that God warned man ti abstain from?

You are still not making any sense and you are not trying to at all!

What is God's Truth? It is knowledge of what is Good and what is evil... is it not?

Kobojunkie:
You are still not making any sense and you are not trying to at all!

What is God's Truth? It is knowledge of what is Good and what is evil... is it not?

According to Miss junkie

Kobojunkie:
1. Wait! God's commandment was only an admonition?

2. Holiness as I explained is derived through compliance with God's Law. Jesus Christ became holy by living His life according to God's Will. He told you this in His Gospels. Jesus Christ was not born Holy — He became Holy. So, your particular kind of confusion is made irritating by the fact that you continue to insist on that which has no bearing on scripture all while asking very ridiculous questions and making ridiculous non-scriptural assertions on top of it all.

1. Christians are nkt under commandments. They are under the law of Christ built on love and faith. Yes, admonition comes ij different forms. Ot was both a command and a reminder and a admonition. You may tell a child to be a good boy in school. It is not necessarily a command, neither does it mean he was a bad child but to encourage him cos he had the tendency to become bad. Interestingly, God did not tell Adam to become Holy cos he was already holy. He was given a simple command

2. There was a time when Adam was obeying and living under God's command, was he not holy? Continue de play. So at Jesus birth, Jesus was not holy right? De play

Aemmyjah:
According to Miss junkie

Actually, this is according to Jesus Christ who explained this in His Gospel. God's New Covenant comprises knowledge of evil(sin) and knowledge of righteousness(good). That you are yet to realize this means something is not coming together in your knowledge of who Jesus Christ is - John 14, 15, and 16.

Aemmyjah:
1. Christians are nkt under commandments. They are under the law of Christ built on love and faith. Yes, admonition comes ij different forms. Ot was both a command and a reminder and a admonition. You may tell a child to be a good boy in school. It is not necessarily a command, neither does it mean he was a bad child but to encourage him cos he had the tendency to become bad. Interestingly, God did not tell Adam to become Holy cos he was already holy. He was given a simple command

2. There was a time when Adam was obeying and living under God's command, was he not holy? Continue de play. So at Jesus birth, Jesus was not holy right? De play

1. Toooorrr!!

2. Tooor!!!

Kobojunkie:
Actually, this is according to Jesus Christ who explained this in His Gospel. God's New Covenant comprises knowledge of evil(sin) and knowledge of righteousness(good). That you are yet to realize this means something is not coming together in your knowledge of who Jesus Christ is - John 14, 15, and 16.

So, the Old covenant does not have any knowledge of good and evil in God's standards?
Other laws and covenants, like contracts, marriage, etc, have no knowledge on what is good and bad?

Did Adam not know that eating from that tree was bad cos it violates God's law? Or God was preventing him from plucking Jesus. Jesus gives eternal life and not death. De play

Aemmyjah:
■ So, the Old covenant does not have any knowledge of good and evil in God's standards?
■ Other laws and covenants, like contracts, marriage, etc, have no knowledge on what is good and bad?
■ Did Adam not know that eating from that tree was bad cos it violates God's law? Or God was preventing him from plucking Jesus. Jesus gives eternal life and not death. De play

1. If you must know, the details of righteousness were, for some reason, not included as part of the Old Covenant as given by Moses. The Law of Moses was strictly the preview of that which defines sin aka evil.
2. What in the world is this one talking about now?

3. Stop asking ridiculous questions abeg!

Kobojunkie:
1. If you must know, the details of righteousness were, for some reason, not included as part of the Old Covenant as given by Moses. The Law of Moses was strictly the preview of that which defines sin aka evil.
2. What in the world is this one talking about now?

3. Stop asking ridiculous questions abeg!

1. Even before the old covenant, there were still righteous men like Job, Abraham, Joseph and Noah. Continu6de play

2. You said Jesus was the tree of knowledge of good and bad. Nonsense

Aemmyjah:
1. Even before the old covenant, there were still righteous men like Job, Abraham, Joseph and Noah. Continu6de play
2. You said Jesus was the tree of knowledge of good and bad. Nonsense

1. I don't follow! Yes, there were righteous men before the Law of Moses — none of them made righteous by any Law we are scripturally made aware of —but the Law of Moses itself did not include specifications as far as righteousness. God's New Covenant and Law in the Kingdom of God, Jesus Christ, however, does include specifications as far as both Holiness and righteousness.

2. Well, you religious folks consider a lot of what is told you by God Himself in scripture as nonsense so that doesn't shock me at all.

P.S. There were also righteous men of Old— post Old Covenant. The first became holy by following the letter of the Old Law, after which they were made right by doing that which God specified to them.

Kobojunkie:
1. I don't follow! Yes, there were righteous men before the Law of Moses — none of them made righteous by any Law we are scripturally made aware of —but the Law of Moses itself did not include specifications as far as righteousness. God's New Covenant and Law in the Kingdom of God, Jesus Christ, however, does include specifications as far as both Holiness and righteousness.

2. Well, you religious folks consider a lot of what is told you by God Himself in scripture as nonsense so that doesn't shock me at all.

P.S. There were also righteous men of Old— post Old Covenant. The first became holy by following the letter of the Old Law, after which they were made right by doing that which God specified to them.

1. The law does not command them to be holy? Which servant of God was not holy when serving God?

2. Lol. No be u de yan nonsense say Adam was not made holy. How was hw made then? A sinner?
Whoever told you thaf Jesus is tree of knowledge of good and bad is really laughable and u sef wey believe

Aemmyjah:
1. The law does not command them to be holy? Which servant of God was not holy when serving God?
2. Lol. No be u de yan nonsense say Adam was not made holy. How was hw made then? A sinner?
Whoever told you thaf Jesus is tree of knowledge of good and bad is really laughable and u sef wey believe

All this going around and around, asking ridiculous questions that even a newbie should not ask at all, you would think I am talking to a zombie or something.

Kobojunkie:
All this going around and around, asking ridiculous questions that even a newbie should not ask at all, you would think I am talking to a zombie or something.

1. Cos you speak junk, miss junkie. You Said Adam was not made holy, Jesus was the tree of knowledge of good and bad, the arrangement of Jesus coming to earth was before Adam sinned. In other words, you make God look like the Author of sin. You have no idea of what perfection and holiness and righteousness means, Miss Junkie

Aemmyjah:
1. Cos you speak junk, miss junkie. You Said Adam was not made holy, Jesus was the tree of knowledge of good and bad, the arrangement of Jesus coming to earth was before Adam sinned. In other words, you make God look like the Author of sin. You have no idea of what perfection and holiness and righteousness means, Miss Junkie

Again... All this going around and around, asking ridiculous questions that even a newbie should not ask at all, you would think I am talking to a zombie or something.

*** yawn****

Kobojunkie:
1. I don't follow! Yes, there were righteous men before the Law of Moses — none of them made righteous by any Law we are scripturally made aware of —but the Law of Moses itself did not include specifications as far as righteousness. God's New Covenant and Law in the Kingdom of God, Jesus Christ, however, does include specifications as far as both Holiness and righteousness.

2. Well, you religious folks consider a lot of what is told you by God Himself in scripture as nonsense so that doesn't shock me at all.

P.S. There were also righteous men of Old— post Old Covenant. The first became holy by following the letter of the Old Law, after which they were made right by doing that which God specified to them.

Our focus was on the first man, Adam

Aemmyjah:
Our focus was on the first man, Adam

And I made certain to answer you according to Scripture— not a single claim I made so far is extra-scriptural. So, you probably would do better to explain why you reject that which is stated in Scripture in order to assert instead ideas that have no bearing in Scripture.

Kobojunkie:
And I made certain to answer you according to Scripture— not a single claim I made so far is extra-scriptural. So, you probably would do better to explain why you reject that which is stated in Scripture in order to assert instead ideas that have no bearing in Scripture.

Which scripture did you share that the first Man, was a sinner or unrighteous or unholy. Even the angels too were made perfect and holy . Man and angels are intelligent creatures with freewill. Luke Chronology link Adam to God, calling him the son of God. Even God made man, the fair pair in his own image and likeness. In other words, God made man tk reflect his own character, his personalities. Will you say the first son of God was made imperfect and unholy? If Adam was unholy and made in God's image, is it reasonable to conclude that God is holy?
Angels too that sinned against God, were they not holy at some point before they rebel

What concern me with some who vomit junk and dismisses truths, divine truths as simply knowledge of good and bad?