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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 1:06am On Jun 10, 2023

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico:
Obrigardo:
Please just get lost. You sounding like a broken clock, no sense whatsoever.
There have been democrats caught with classified material's.
Bill Clinton vs Judicial Watch 2012 Judge ruled that ex presidents can keep their own materials or something like that.Apply that ruling to this and case dismissed.
This case of Trump borders on election interference and selective persecution.

Tellingly the DoJ defined "docs vital to national security,,,"
Actual Statute is.
P18 U.S. Code § 793 (e) Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph....

The bolded excludes Trump.
31 counts centered on that... The rest of the counts derived from "unauthorized , vital to national security"
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 3:43am On Jun 10, 2023
budaatum:
Got this from breitbart.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/06/09/hillary-clinton-promotes-but-her-emails-hat-in-wake-of-trump-indictment/
She is mocking Trump because she got away with crimes enough to send her to the gallows

Before Obama, the US justice system was like a gold standard. Right now the justice system is no better than a tin pot Dictatorship.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Kingsnairaland(m): 5:44am On Jun 10, 2023
Biden the Satan associate that wants to bring world War three

Wants to jail trump let him do it so that more future USA president will land in jail.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by AmazonTopaz(f): 7:28am On Jun 10, 2023
Someone said on this forum that Trump supporters will not sit idly by.

https://twitter.com/williamlegate/status/1667261011831803915?s=19

This proves it, Andy Biggs and some others were talking in code. I hope the FBI is fully prepared to avoid another January 6th.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by AmazonTopaz(f): 7:29am On Jun 10, 2023
When January 6th insurrection indictments come in many people are going to be indicted.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by AmazonTopaz(f): 7:31am On Jun 10, 2023
Obrigardo:
Another bold prediction. Criminal trump will eventually represent himself at a certain point in the criminal trump trials grin

One of the dumbest criminal alive. Stop making sense of what this criminal does. He is incredibly dumb.
Does Trump know that he has a right to remain silent?

Why is he implicating himself?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by LordAdam16: 8:31am On Jun 10, 2023
AmazonTopaz:
When January 6th insurrection indictments come in many people are going to be indicted.
Oh no!

More indictments!

Anyway...

AmazonTopaz:
Does Trump know that he has a right to remain silent?

Why is he implicating himself?
Remain silent?

The dude is 76. Has lived a very interesting life. What's the worst you'll do?

Kill him like JFK or Lincoln?
Sentence him like Sarkozy or Berlusconi with his lifetime SS agents standing guard?
Epstein him?
Rig the election again?

Please what is that awful outcome that will be somehow new or surprising. Right now, we're taking bets on how low you dolts are willing to go, knowing someday the precedence will come in handy.

-Lord
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by feedthenation(m): 8:42am On Jun 10, 2023
basilico:
The truth about
Joe Biden bribe of 5m was released to the house committee.
Within a few hours Trump was indicted.
All top stories are about Trump such that people will forget hair sniffer corruption.
---The joke is on you to complete the statement about Joe Biden 5m bribe---because the information came to an abrupt end in Congress---the world is still waiting for Joe Jordan and the various committees to release their fanthom revelations about Hunter Biden---
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by feedthenation(m): 8:44am On Jun 10, 2023
basilico:
There have been democrats caught with classified material's.
Bill Clinton vs Judicial Watch 2012 Judge ruled that ex presidents can keep their own materials or something like that.Apply that ruling to this and case dismissed.
This case of Trump borders on election interference and selective persecution.

Tellingly the DoJ defined "docs vital to national security,,,"
Actual Statute is.
P18 U.S. Code § 793 (e) Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph....

The bolded excludes Trump.
31 counts centered on that... The rest of the counts derived from "unauthorized , vital to national security"

---How many boxes were recovered from Bill Clinton as reported by the FBI---
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 9:06am On Jun 10, 2023
feedthenation:

---How many boxes were recovered from Bill Clinton as reported by the FBI---
Bill Clinton had audio recordings in his sock drawer Judicial Watch wanted the calls to foreign leaders. Reason being was that the calls could have been linked to solicitation of cash from foreign countries.
The judge refused ,saying Bill should keep the tapes.

Hillary used a private email server in her bathroom. She was using it for official purposes, forwarding classified emails from the gov secure email servers, stripping of the classification and forwarding it to her private account.
When it was discovered that as SoS she had a private server, She got a subpoena to hand all emails to gov. She forwarded 30k and deleted other 33k . Claiming they were yoga and her daughter's wedding As SoS everyone who came to her was also a donor to the Clinton Foundation.
Out of those emails some were classified. She crashed the server, did a hard drive wipeout with bleachbit. She also destroyed 5 govt issued , phones crushing them with hammers.
FBI did not press charges, No reasonable prosecutor could charge her according to James Comey.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 10:22am On Jun 10, 2023
feedthenation:
---The joke is on you to complete the statement about Joe Biden 5m bribe---because the information came to an abrupt end in Congress---the world is still waiting for Joe Jordan and the various committees to release their fanthom revelations about Hunter Biden---
Stop living in denial. A Confidential Human Source to FBI reported about Burisma owner paying 5m to Joe Biden and also showed him proof of payments. Fbi has been refusing to show House Committee the actual unclassified interview the fBI took from the CHS. Finally they showed it to the House Committee on Thursday, the day Garland DoJ indicted Trump. Search for what MGT said after seeing the corruption story.

Accept that FBI is protecting Joe Biden.,.and Obama too who must have known about the bribes paid to the Biden Crime family.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 1:09pm On Jun 10, 2023
Lol @ Trump. This is bit long.
As with all things Trump this indictment is worse than could have imagined. The indictment is damning. If the DOJ has proof for half the allegations (and being this is the DOJ run by a seemingly competent Special Counsel, not Durham, they most likely do) Trump is in trouble. Just the audio tape of him showing highly classified information to someone without clearance is enough to get him convicted. This was a President of the US seemingly to be cavalier with who he showed this Top Secret stuff to. Crazy. But if he is convicted, it'll lead to some interesting questions. How long will they give him? These charges could mean decades in jail or him dying in jail. Will they suspend the sentence? Will he serve in jail? How will that work with his Secret Service Protection. Will Biden commute his sentence now that he has been convicted to mitigate all this drama.

But Trump being the legal escape artist he is made a great decision by moving to Florida. Because he committed these crimes in Florida, Jack smith had to file the case in Florida. This is going to cause them some headaches.
1.) They had a 25% chance of drawing Judge Cannon, the biased Judge who was quickly overturned and rebuked by a conservative appeals court for her Pro Trump Rulings. Unfortunately for Jack Smith, she was the Judge "randomly" drawn. This is a big deal. As the Judge gets to decide all the contours of the case. When it starts (before/after the election). What evidence goes in (will she allow the Attorney Client protected evidence Jack Smith previously got in). What defenses Trump gets to present (i.e ex-Presidents have mind powers to declassify documents in the past). And she has a big hand in selecting the Jury. She can limit the voire-dire process and let in a more pro-Trump juror. Jack Smith should petition to have her removed.
2.) The 11 District Court of Appeals where Florida is in is more conservative. So, any 50-50 appeals or even 40-60 appeals Trump will most likely win. The only upside is that this is going to be a historic case. So everyone should be on their P's and Q's. But again this is the new age Republican party so who knows.
3.) The Jury. Obviously, Trump won Florida. So the jurors will be more conservative. Given the evidence in the indictment, it shouldn't matter who the juror is. But given Judge Cannon may preside, she can limit questioning that may let a Pro Trump shill in who is bent on jury nullification. And it only takes one since the jury has to be unanimous.

Lastly, for those arguing this was Biden trying to get Trump. Biden [b]wants [/b]to run against Trump. He is the most beatable candidate in the Republican field. And in a normal world, this would hurt Trump's chances. Republicans these days aren't so normal. So who knows what will happen. If the DOJ wanted to help Biden, they would have brought charges closer to the Republican primary after Trump consolidated Republicans or let it linger till after the election. So, square that circle.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Obrigardo: 1:24pm On Jun 10, 2023
basilico:
Stop living in denial. A Confidential Human Source to FBI reported about Burisma owner paying 5m to Joe Biden and also showed him proof of payments.
So now you live in the glory of confidential human sauces grin You are a big buckethead. I remember the time you waged wars against anonymous sources because criminal trump was getting destroyed in his first and second impeachment hearings.

Proof? Show us the proof right here you piece of shit. Is this the same proof capitol bomber Marjorie three toes said she just "lost"?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Obrigardo: 1:26pm On Jun 10, 2023
IjeBos:
Lol @ Trump. This is bit long.
As with all things Trump this indictment is worse than could have imagined. The indictment is damning. If the DOJ has proof for half the allegations (and being this is the DOJ run by a seemingly competent Special Counsel, not Durham, they most likely do) Trump is in trouble. Just the audio tape of him showing highly classified information to someone without clearance is enough to get him convicted. This was a President of the US seemingly to be cavalier with who he showed this Top Secret stuff to. Crazy. But if he is convicted, it'll lead to some interesting questions. How long will they give him? These charges could mean decades in jail or him dying in jail. Will they suspend the sentence? Will he serve in jail? How will that work with his Secret Service Protection. Will Biden commute his sentence now that he has been convicted to mitigate all this drama.

But Trump being the legal escape artist he is made a great decision by moving to Florida. Because he committed these crimes in Florida, Jack smith had to file the case in Florida. This is going to cause them some headaches.
1.) They had a 25% chance of drawing Judge Cannon, the biased Judge who was quickly overturned and rebuked by a conservative appeals court for her Pro Trump Rulings. Unfortunately for Jack Smith, she was the Judge "randomly" drawn. This is a big deal. As the Judge gets to decide all the contours of the case. When it starts (before/after the election). What evidence goes in (will she allow the Attorney Client protected evidence Jack Smith previously got in). What defenses Trump gets to present (i.e ex-Presidents have mind powers to declassify documents in the past). And she has a big hand in selecting the Jury. She can limit the voire-dire process and let in a more pro-Trump juror. Jack Smith should petition to have her removed.
2.) The 11 District Court of Appeals where Florida is in is more conservative. So, any 50-50 appeals or even 40-60 appeals Trump will most likely win. The only upside is that this is going to be a historic case. So everyone should be on their P's and Q's. But again this is the new age Republican party so who knows.
3.) The Jury. Obviously, Trump won Florida. So the jurors will be more conservative. Given the evidence in the indictment, it shouldn't matter who the juror is. But given Judge Cannon may preside, she can limit questioning that may let a Pro Trump shill in who is bent on jury nullification. And it only takes one since the jury has to be unanimous.

Lastly, for those arguing this was Biden trying to get Trump. Biden [b]wants [/b]to run against Trump. He is the most beatable candidate in the Republican field. And in a normal world, this would hurt Trump's chances. Republicans these days aren't so normal. So who knows what will happen. If the DOJ wanted to help Biden, they would have brought charges closer to the Republican primary after Trump consolidated Republicans or let it linger till after the election. So, square that circle.
All i know is that the case against criminal trump is just too clear. The man is a clear and present danger. Prison time will be the least of his worries.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Obrigardo: 1:28pm On Jun 10, 2023
basilico:
Bill Clinton had audio recordings in his sock drawer Judicial Watch wanted the calls to foreign leaders. Reason being was that the calls could have been linked to solicitation of cash from foreign countries.
The judge refused ,saying Bill should keep the tapes.

Hillary used a private email server in her bathroom. She was using it for official purposes, forwarding classified emails from the gov secure email servers, stripping of the classification and forwarding it to her private account.
When it was discovered that as SoS she had a private server, She got a subpoena to hand all emails to gov. She forwarded 30k and deleted other 33k . Claiming they were yoga and her daughter's wedding As SoS everyone who came to her was also a donor to the Clinton Foundation.
Out of those emails some were classified. She crashed the server, did a hard drive wipeout with bleachbit. She also destroyed 5 govt issued , phones crushing them with hammers.
FBI did not press charges, No reasonable prosecutor could charge her according to James Comey.
He asked a simple question - How many boxes were recovered from Bill Clinton as reported by the FBI?

Can't you just answer a damn simple question without squeezing out your rectum? grin
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 1:32pm On Jun 10, 2023
Obrigardo:
All i know is that the case against criminal trump is just too clear. The man is a clear and present danger. Prison time will be the least of his worries.
Agreed for the most part. But, the US justice system is favored/biased for the Rich and connected. Trump is both. So what happens with his Judge's rulings will determine the case. If the Judge doesn't let certain evidence in.. well that changes the case.

Also, unfortunately, I'm not sure Trump is going to jail even if he is convicted. I hope I'm wrong though.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Obrigardo: 1:40pm On Jun 10, 2023
IjeBos:
Agreed for the most part. But, the US justice system is favored/biased for the Rich and connected. Trump is both. So what happens with his Judge's rulings will determine the case. If the Judge doesn't let certain evidence in.. well that changes the case.

Also, unfortunately, I'm not sure Trump is going to jail even if he is convicted. I hope I'm wrong though.
Well, we all have our opinions, but criminal trump is a whole new ball game, and the first in so many crimes. I won't be surprised he'll be the first former president to face execution like the Rosenbergs decades ago.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 1:50pm On Jun 10, 2023
We need to talk about benalvino. Hope he's not been arrested in the land he claimed he was visiting.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 3:44pm On Jun 10, 2023
Obrigardo:
He asked a simple question - How many boxes were recovered from Bill Clinton as reported by the FBI?

Can't you just answer a damn simple question without squeezing out your rectum? grin
Bill had classified information in form of overseas telephone calls.
Judge ruled that it was his prerogative to keep it
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 3:51pm On Jun 10, 2023
Obrigardo:
Well, we all have our opinions, but criminal trump is a whole new ball game, and the first in so many crimes. I won't be surprised he'll be the first former president to face execution like the Rosenbergs decades ago.
Pray tell me. The charge sheet or whatever says he had 102 classified docs.
The indictment has only 31 and please note. Those are not classified as the counts only state they were vital to national security. What happens to the other 71 docs?Were they the Crossfire hurricane docs that conclusively show the FBI, CIA,DOJ and Hillary Clinton manufactured the Russian hoax?
First motion to dismiss will be about those 71 pages that are not included in the charges.
Next point would be what happens if you don't hand over docs to NARA.. They knew what Trump carted off.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Obrigardo: 5:27pm On Jun 10, 2023
basilico:
Pray tell me. The charge sheet or whatever says he had 102 classified docs.
The indictment has only 31 and please note. Those are not classified as the counts only state they were vital to national security. What happens to the other 71 docs?Were they the Crossfire hurricane docs that conclusively show the FBI, CIA,DOJ and Hillary Clinton manufactured the Russian hoax?
First motion to dismiss will be about those 71 pages that are not included in the charges.
Next point would be what happens if you don't hand over docs to NARA.. They knew what Trump carted off.
Ah ah 😂 at last a magadonian cultist is trying to find facts on his own. Wonders shall never end.

Before hyperventilating can you do yourself a favor and read the INDICTMENTS? AHHH.

I'm halfway now and I'm shocked and scared. Just wonder what the grand jury must have heard that we are yet to know.

My boy, carefully read the INDICTMENTS and take notes so you stop sounding like a broken clock all the time.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Obrigardo: 5:30pm On Jun 10, 2023
basilico:
Bill had classified information in form of overseas telephone calls.
Judge ruled that it was his prerogative to keep it
So why did your overlord lie then? That he declassified everything just by thinking about it? Can you defend this? (Just so you know, this Iran attack doc is still missing)

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Obrigardo: 5:32pm On Jun 10, 2023
budaatum:
We need to talk about benalvino. Hope he's not been arrested in the land he claimed he was visiting.
😂

Who knew being a black man hater could also be a soul eater. I guess his hating heart has caught up with him.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 5:48pm On Jun 10, 2023
Obrigardo:
So why did your overlord lie then? That he declassified everything just by thinking about it? Can you defend this? (Just so you know, this Iran attack doc is still missing)
You must be totally wasted.
I posted a declass letter signed on Jan 19 th 2021.

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Obrigardo: 6:33pm On Jun 10, 2023
basilico:
You must be totally wasted.
I posted a declass letter signed on Jan 19 th 2021.
You are a dumb tool my boy.

That is the last document he declassified on the last day he left office. ONE DOCUMENT!

Are you this dumb?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 8:26pm On Jun 10, 2023
Obrigardo:
You are a dumb tool my boy.

That is the last document he declassified on the last day he left office. ONE DOCUMENT!

Are you this dumb?
You are the dumb one. He did not declass that letter.
Read it
Crossfire Hurricane among others
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by BraniacX(m): 3:24am On Jun 11, 2023
basilico:
Why not say Hitler decided to hijack Nazism, convert it to a personal power quest. Added racism in his murderous endeavor to rid society of undesirables.
At the heart and beginning of the Nazi party was socialism. The abbreviations to its name is clearly socialism. Hitler got rid of anyone who was a threat to him , same thing Stalin did.
yeah, same as the Nigerian APC is the gold standard for being progressive and congressional because it's in its name and the PDP is the standard for being democratic because it's in its name or should I continue to stretch your silly logic for you? You forget that it was under the 3rd Reich that German capitalist behemoths like Porsche and Volkswagen were entrenched
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Weregonnalose: 3:57am On Jun 11, 2023
BraniacX:
yeah, same as the Nigerian APC is the gold standard for being progressive and congressional because it's in its name and the PDP is the standard for being democratic because it's in its name or should I continue to stretch your silly logic for you? You forget that it was under the 3rd Reich that German capitalist behemoths like Porsche and Volkswagen were entrenched
kikikikiki ah dumb donkey with ah dicionari ye. kikikiki
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by BraniacX(m): 4:10am On Jun 11, 2023
Weregonnalose:
kikikikiki I ah a dumb donkey with ah dicionari ye. Dumber than my bunghole cunt of a mama kikikiki
I know, now drop dead!
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 7:01am On Jun 11, 2023
budaatum:
We need to talk about benalvino. Hope he's not been arrested in the land he claimed he was visiting.
Sounds like a man who has nothing to do but to stay on Nairaland.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 11:41am On Jun 11, 2023
A decade old legal case that could exonerate former President Donald Trump has been buried by legacy media.


“[Special counsel] Jack Smith is terrified of the only standing legal case decision from a court concerning the Presidential Records Act,” said Chris Farrell, Director of Investigations at Judicial Watch.

The case Farrell is referring to is titled Judicial Watch v. National Archives and Records Administration – also known as the “Clinton sock drawer” case. Former President Bill Clinton created White House audio tapes with historian Taylor Branch and stored them in his sock drawer. Judicial Watch sued to obtain access to the tapes and lost.

“He took them from the White House with him into private life,” said Farrell. “There’s classified material on those tapes and arguably it’s the sort of running stream of consciousness record of Bill Clinton’s presidency. Pretty important stuff.”

Special counsel Jack Smith is currently investigating the 45th president for his handling of classified documents since departing the White House. But Farrell says the ruling in this specific case from 2012 exonerates Trump from any alleged wrongdoing.

“Amy Berman Jackson, the judge presiding on that case, said a couple of very important things,” said Farrell. “That the president had an absolute, unreviewable right to take any records or documents that he wants when he leaves office. “

“No one can come back and second guess or double think or ask questions about what the president elects to take with him,” Farrell continued.

In her ruling, Jackson wrote that “the President enjoys unconstrained authority to make decisions regarding the disposal of documents: ‘[a]lthough the President must notify the Archivist before disposing of records . . . neither the Archivist nor Congress has the authority to veto the President’s disposal decision.’”

Farrell points out that this ruling has existed without challenge or question for ten years.

“And that has been the standing law unchallenged for the United States for something like 10 or 11 years,” said Farrell. “No one challenged it – unreviewable absolute authority to take whatever [the president] wants and no one can second guess it.”

Trump claimed Smith’s investigation into his documents was all about “election interference.”

“It’s all about ELECTION INTERFERENCE,” Trump said on Truth Social. “They don’t want to run against me. I ran twice, I did much better the second time, getting millions and millions more votes than the first, a record for a sitting President, and am leading Biden in the polls, by a lot. They are the Party of Disinformation! They are using the DOJ & FBI against me to Rigg the 2024 Election. They’ll hit Hunter with something small to make their strike on me look “fair.” Nothing about these Fascists is fair or honest. FIGHT!”

Farrell claims this classified documents investigation is yet another example of the double standard that exists in the U.S. justice system.

“That’s the legal standard,” Farrell said. “And that’s okay for Bill Clinton, but when you apply the same standard to Donald Trump, suddenly everybody develops amnesia. Nobody knows what you’re talking about.”

So that’s the hypocrisy and that’s the phony double talk that no one will go anywhere near or talk about,” Farrell continued.”

Trump’s defense regarding his conduct has been consistent with this legal precedent.

“I have the absolute right to do whatever I want with them,” Trump told CNN in its town hall in May 2023.

President Joe Biden is facing a separate investigation regarding classified documents from his days as vice president and senator. Biden’s documents were found in numerous locations, including his Wilmington, Delaware home and the Penn Biden Center in Washington, D.C.
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