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TOPMAN4LIFE:
U that claimed republic of Benin is for Bini in Edo

What do you mean by "republic of Benin is for Bini in Edo" ?

TOPMAN4LIFE:
All what u have been are lies,
U that claimed republic of Benin is for Bini in Edo

Stoplying:
This has already been debated several times, but it seems we keep seeing Yoruba people trying to start the debate right from the beginning.
Look, we can't continue having the same argument until we die !
For more than ten years, there is always a Yoruba who reopens this already settle matter.

1) Ife was built in 1912 by the British, previously it was just a small and impoverished settlement.
2) Benin was already an empire in the 1400s
3) locate Bight of Ife or bight of oyo (I can locate Bight of Benin)
4) locate Ife Republic or oyo Republic (I can locate Benin Republic)
5) the word Oba is the official title of the Oba of Benin, just like the word Oni is the official title of the Oni of Ife
6) around 1930, Oni adesoji aderemi who was previously referred to as "Oni of Ife, sir adesoji aderemi" changed his name to "Oni of Ife, Oba adesoji aderemi", therefore copying the title of the Benin emperor as a replacement to a British nobility word (sir). From there on all Yoruba monarchs copied the word "Oba" into their name, it became a trend, just like many other things with yoruba culture of copy and paste.
7) your concept of "Yorubaland" is not historical, 200 years ago, many of those lands you now call "Yorubaland" didn't identify as such
8 ) many monarchs who now identify as Yoruba have been involved over the decades in changing their original titles, for example the "olubadan" used to be the "bale of Ibadan"
9) every kingdom which was originally ruled by a person with the Olu title used to be part of Benin empire
10) please before opening such a debate, just take a look at what has already been said on the topic right here on nairaland. The reason people are not engaging you Yoruba when you open this debate again and again and again is that we are starting to think you are only doing this to generate traffic. How can people just keep opening the same debate over and over for decades ?

It seems you want to create an argument and you throw the same bates all the time. Look, why don't you guys find some other people to talk about ? Why always Benin ? It is like all Yoruba were born into this world to talk about Benin. Your obsession with proving your superiority to Benin only proves your inferiority complex.

I know in some months time or perhaps even less, an other Yoruba will reopen the debate and ignore facts and what was said previously. I think Yoruba should just focus on themselves and stop yapping about Benin all the time !

I'm pretty sure that numbers 3 and 5 are obviously true to anybody whom is not completely uneducated.
So I have just debunked your claim very easily.

Stoplying:
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom

This thing you are showing here is not for ur own Bini but for Benin republic our neighboring country with Cotonou as capital city
Stop spreading falsehood

TOPMAN4LIFE:
This thing you are showing here is not for ur own Bini but for Benin republic our neighboring country with Cotonou as capital city
Stop spreading falsehood

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Ok, it seems clear you can't read maps or dates.

1) This is clearly Benin kingdom not Benin Republic
2) this map was drawn in the 1600's when there was no such thing as Benin Republic
3) even Benin city is clearly situated in the map and it is the capital of Benin kingdom.

Your ignorance is at a very high level.

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom

From an other map maker in an other language:

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b532480518/f1.item.zoom

So let me see if I get this right:

1) I provide documents made by eyewitnesses hundreds of years ago, and that makes me a liar.
2) this Yoruba provides a page on Google written by people whom are still alive today and are probably in their 30's, this page talks about the 1400's and that makes this Yoruba a truth teller ?

3) the lesson is that if you provide proof for what you say (which I did) then you are a liar, but if you have no proof for your claims (like this Yoruba guy) then you are a truth teller 🤡

Stoplying:
I'm pretty sure that numbers 3 and 5 are obviously true to anybody whom is not completely uneducated

The word 'bight' is not important in this matter, the word only means curve or bend which is used for some coastal location around city close to the ocean, so you can't see something like bight of ife because ife is not by the Coastlines
There is also bight of Bonny in River State, and there is a town called Bonny in River State, just like Bini, Bonny town was not originally called Bonny, the initial name of Bonny is ibani, but they changed the name to Bonny because British put bight of Bonny on the map, just like ibani people called Bonny town now, Bini people want to sound and appear foreign in thier personal names and town names
Oba is for any traditional ruler in Yoruba, each also answers a name particular to them for proper identification because they are many .
Oba of Benin supposed to be Olu of Bini , but he changed it to modernize it and caused confusion
Just as Eleko of eko in Lagos changed to oba of Lagos

TOPMAN4LIFE:
The word 'bight' is not important in this matter, the word only means curve or bend which is used for some coastal location around city close to the ocean, so you can't see something like bight of ife because ife is not by the Coastlines

So now Benin city is "by the coastlines" ? 🤡

TOPMAN4LIFE:
There is also bight of Bonny in River State, and there is a town called Bonny in River State,

Look, you are talking in a void, provide Precolonial maps.
Also just for your information, Rivers state is not a Precolonial state. You are very confused.

Stoplying:
So now Benin city is "by the coastlines" ? 🤡

Maybe that bight of Benin is for Benin republic of Cotonou

Stoplying:
Look, you are talking in a void, provide Precolonial maps.
Also just for your information, Rivers state is not a Precolonial state. You are very confused.

Everything is on internet, l can't waste time to provide you what you can do for yourself,
Google is ur friend if you are confused

TOPMAN4LIFE:
Maybe that bight of Benin is for Benin republic of Cotonou

So the person who drew the map in the 1600's did a time travel from the 1600s to the 1970's, saw Dahomey being named "Republic of Benin" then he traveled back to the 1600's and named the bight after the future Benin Republic ? 🤡

TOPMAN4LIFE:
Everything is on internet, l can't waste time to provide you what you can do for yourself,
Google is ur friend if you are confused

Once again, your logic only helps liars. People are supposed to prove their claims, you are not supposed to expect me to prove your claim for you, especially if I don't believe in your claim. I can't be going on a wild goose chase.
It is very simple, don't claim what you can't prove.
If you claim something, then be ready to provide proof on demand.

Imagine someone tells you that your house inherited from your dad belongs to him and then you ask for proof but he replies you should get the proof yourself while telling you to vacate the house 🤡
That is why, people need to prove their own claims and not expect the other side to prove it for them.
I'm guessing you are a teenager.

Stoplying:
Once again, your logic only helps liars. People are supposed to prove their claims, you are not supposed to expect me to prove your claim for you, especially if I don't believe in your claim. I can't be going on a wild goose chase.
It is very simple, don't claim what you can't prove.
If you claim something, then be ready to provide proof on demand.

I don't have ur time again, the other time, you said I should show you when Bini was changed to Benin, l did and now you are asking for map of Bonny when you can research it yourself, l get what I want to use my time for, l have tried for u , go and help to have clear cut information. Maybe you are even toddler that I'm wasting my time with you.
My last word to you and those that argue blindly on this subject matter is that where ooni sits, your oba must be behind him or else he stays back at home

TOPMAN4LIFE:
I don't have ur time again, the other time, you said I should show you when Bini was changed to Benin, l did

I asked for date and proof, you provided me with a Yoruba fairytale written on the internet which claims that Benin used to be called Ubini before 1441.
You provided no proof, rather just a claim made on the internet just like your own claim. Where is the document written by an eyewitness which backs the claim?

TOPMAN4LIFE:
My last word to you and those that argue blindly on this subject matter

How am I arguing blindly if I am providing evidence?
You are the one whom is providing no evidence and whom has been shown several times to not have any knowledge about history.

You don't understand that Benin Kingdom had that name serveral hundreds of years before there was any such thing as Benin republic, and I'm the blind one?

TOPMAN4LIFE:
My last word to you and those that argue blindly on this subject matter is that where ooni sits, your oba must be behind him or else he stays back at home

It seems that all you have is a sitting arrangement in a group photo with prince Charles 🤡
I'm giving you history, while you are talking about a sitting arrangement for a group photo ?

All those reading this on the side, why don't you inform this deluded teenager that he needs to take his meds ?

Stoplying:
It seems that all you have is a sitting arrangement in s group photo with prince Charles 🤡
I'm giving you history, while you are talking about s sitting arrangement for a group photo ?

Fake history that can't change original history and position of ur oba

TOPMAN4LIFE:
Fake history that can't change original history and position of ur oba

Position in a sitting arrangement in a group photo with prince Charles? 🤡
History, backed by eyewitness written record is fake ? 🤡

airsaylongcome:
Please never ever say in public again that the English Sovereign gets a staff from the Prime Minister. The Sovereign NEVER goes to the prime minister for ANYTHING. The prime minister ALWAYS goes to the Sovereign.

About Yoruba vs Benin kingship. Understand that succession by primogeniture does not invalidate other types of succession.

You can continue to dance naked in the market square, but all I am telling you is that the Traditional Stool in yoruba land has been bastardized. For you to be a first class traditional ruler in yoruba land, let the governor like you, that's all. That was how Ooni of Ife was installed, Alaafin of Oyo, etc.

The Oluwo of Iwo has told us what we already knew; That governors are the ones that handpick traditional rulers in yoruba land. You can go fight him for saying the truth.

TOPMAN4LIFE:
My point is that all obas be it the one in Benin city and those ones in Benin republic have their root from ife or Yoruba,
Even the great alaafin of Oyo empire you talked about came from ife as a son of oduduwa before he became very powerful militarily in Yoruba land and use the military power for his own advantage.
There is no way you twisted the story to cut oba of Benin from his Yoruba root, those directly concerned at the top know the right thing which they have done, it's people like you that are always bringing up a done and settle matter.
If oluwo that brought up this matter said govt picked him, that is for him, that doesn't mean governors pick all obas in Yoruba land,
For example, governor doesn't pick oba in Ibadan till today, that is why the person that always emanates as oba in Ibadan is always very old, as one oba is installed in Ibadan, the next knows themselves.
I'm also sure of ooni that it is not governor that picks him and some obas in Yoruba land.
Ooni holds a very important position in Nigeria and Yoruba land, so he will always be in involved and be invited to many governmental and non-governmental programme unlike other traditional rulers.
You don't expect him to stay put in the palace throughout the year without attending functions and activities when he is not an idol, he is still human and that has not reduced his position as the first in Nigeria because he is a life Co chairmen of traditional rulers in Nigeria. Ooni deserves it because of historical background and not because he knows politians.
I know if this status is given to your oba, you will not allow us to hear word as you people always talk about ur oba,
but now you are claiming ignorantly that ooni is being helped by government.

Benin has never needed outsiders to validate importance of Oba to us. But history of Benin is the best documented in Nigeria, having had earliest contact with Europeans and Christianity. So, it's not obscure. As far Benin is concerned, Izoduwa or your Oduduwa was a Benin prince. Benin and Igalla history clearly say so.
So either way, it's Izoduwa that descends from Benin. By the way, many various clans existed in SW before Izoduwa just about 1000 years ago. It's flawed to say one Lamurudu son flew or teleported from Arabia, Yemen or wherever. Even more ridiculous to climb from heaven with chain.
Oba Akinruntan of Ugbo also clarifies that he owns Ife as the Aboriginal Ife ruler. That Oduduwa the foreigner drove them from Ife. You guys mistake royal connections with entire tribes.

We all know that Awo lifted Ooni because other Yoruba would find it easier to accept the juju priest as a leader instead of the historical leader, Oyo that people still had grudges against for its domination of them for centuries.

That Oba of Benin does not rely on any bent politician to be selected alone shows its uniqueness.

If Oranmiyan, a Benin descendant prince, first became king in Benin, then Oyo and lastly in Ife, if he's head of Izoduwa dynasty, then clearly, his true place of origin and first crown have superiority. And one not selected by one corrupt, election rigging governor too. Chai!! .

Oduduwa is a character in a fairytale.

Buddha3:
This is why certain monarchical stools in Nigeria hold no societal relevance.

In Yakurr LGA of Cross River where I come from, the Obol Lopon (King) of Ugep is picked through a sacred traditional ritual that is performed by the Chief Priest and Kingmaker. The three maternal clans who have historically been christened for the stool are gathered, and whether there be 60 people in attendance, the chief priest throws the coronation towel of the gods that floats until it settles on the shoulder of the one who's chosen.

Once that's done, no single soul utters a word in argument or defiance. The king is crowned and can be on that stool for 50years or more, depending on what the gods deem fit, according to his well rounded earthly behaviour and handling of the stool.

No governor or political leader has a bloody say over who sits on that stool. The only time the Governor does the selection based on popular votes or opinion is when one king is to be crowned the paramount ruler of all other village kings in my LGA.

All these 21st century half-baked monarchies being decided by politicians is the reason people like Ganduje can wake up and disgrace a whole Emir, then balkanize his kingdom.. . Tomorrow una no go allow us hear something with nonsensical bragging!

That's insightful.

Stoplying:
These Yoruba guys think history is transmitted through DNA.

LMAO

Amayabor1:
Lol. Look at this female ode!

Stoplying:
What do you mean by "republic of Benin is for Bini in Edo" ?

Holluwhakemmy:
from your comment (female ode) I knew already that you are not well trained or you refused to be trained

You that is well trained, why do you lie effortlessly? Even the devil will be shocked by your lies.

Hotice085:
Ogbeni stop talking in parables, even that oracle or ifa na man de control another man to say nonsense
Ifa ni, oracle kor

What do you know small pikin

eliwa47:
What do you know small pikin

Sorry oh! Ancient of ancient, ancestor man that his forbearers couldn't use Ifa and Oracle to stop slavery and colonization
Ifa ni oracle kor

Dancebreaker:
Well, Benin has survived over 2000 years a growing strong. With proof across museums worldwide.

Has your place turned into Dubai or Singapore yet? Is minimum wage in your place now $700 dollars a month? This fuel subsidy has now impact in your Dubai-like hometown? How about removing the log in own eye first?
You are free to update to Hindu culture in your tribe if you like. Leave others with their own.

Benin has survive 2000 years of inhuman and wicked practices and what has that brought to the values chain of Edo state,has it also turn it to Dubai.They should reform their archaic,inhuman and wicked tradition.