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Kobojunkie:
The account given in the book of Acts of the road to Damascus event reveals that the men traveling with Paul heard the voice and saw the light. That part of the experience was not subjective, was it? https://www.nairaland.com/3257717/st-paul-root-christian-missionary#123496234

"Narrative One : This seems to have been told from the author's point of view", as in the subjective point of view of the author.

"Narrative Two : This is as told by Paul himself", as in Paul's subjective after the fact narrative of the subjective experience he subjectively had. Note how the naratives differ showing even more subjectivity.

Also, only Paul had the subjective experience of hearing a voice. No one else there understood any voice according to the naratives so it could not be objectively verified that there was a voice and Paul was not tripping.

And the "For three days, Saul could not see; he did not eat or drink", was only subjectively experienced by Paul and no one else.

P.s. This is my own subjective understanding of a subjective text and is not to be taken objectively since I never objectively recorded the objective showerhead.

budaatum:
I am not your student nor your slave. Go do your own homework!

https://www.psychologicalscience.org/observer/neuroscience-empathy#comment-8362341

Lol

You are hiding now, and on the defensive


And who tells you I don't have an explanation

I sure do, but wanted to see what you know .

I already explained to Lordreeed in another thread where he asked for a description of the model of consciousness I currently work with.

You can confirm from him . .

You could not even explain rationally what
exactly was making you to react to your mum's emotional states as a kid, without running to Wikipedia to reference an article you lack the basic background knowledge and experience to understand .

Goigke and paste will not help you here as you will continue to display your ignorance by referencing irrelevant materials


You cannot be my student because you are not willing to learn anything , and if I were to buy a slave, not an arrogant one like you that would cause me problems


Stick to what you know very well and don't overeach yourseif by trying to teach what you are clueless about

Good day. .

LordReed:
Where is it localised?

Nobody knows where because the subjective part of one's being is non material

triplechoice:
Lol

You are hiding now, and on the defensive


And who tells you I don't have an explanation

I sure do, but wanted to see what you know .

You were testing to score me?

Score me zero, Triple, see if buda dies.

triplechoice:
Nobody knows where because the subjective part of one's being is non material

Then how do you know it isn't a product of the interactions in the brain and body?

budaatum:
What is the colour of the porcelain throne, I need to check something. And is it a subjective OBE EVA UPS DHL you are having, or an objective OBE EVA UPS DHL or "wholly" both, and why are you not having a NDE too?

It is golden and it’s wholly both because anyone can view it in their mind’s eye. No NDE because that would be heresy not orthodox.

KnownUnknown:
It is golden and it’s wholly both because anyone can view it in their mind’s eye. No NDE because that would be heresy not orthodox.

Ah, that's what's missing. Insufficient heresy. If you had more heresy it would glow like light the earth will tremble and only you will see it..

LordReed:
Then how do you know it isn't a product of the interactions in the brain and body?

He doesn't know. He just wants to test if others know.

LordReed:
Then how do you know it isn't a product of the interactions in the brain and body?

Brilliant question. I will answer it immediately because I know you will take your time to read everything before replying .

It's said that the human mind functions in two modes, the unconscious (AKA the subconscious) and the conscious . Everything we experience subjectively within ourselves can come from either of the two .

The operations of the latter is easily seen in the observable human brain .

For instance , we know the part of the brain that is responsible for the sense of Smell ,taste ,sight ,etc. However there's a limit to which the brain can make us perceive anyrhing that come from outside of it

As for the unconscious ,not much is known of how it operates and what part of the brain controls what it does. Most people just assume it's the brain that controls it , and call it the non conscious part of the brain . That assumption is wrong as you shall come to see .

The subconscious mind can make us known directly things the observable human brain is incapable of making us sense or experience at any given time .

With the subconscious, one can have a precognition of an event that is yet to occur or know it before it manifest later. No part of the brain has been identified that can make this happen , yet some persons have this sort of experiences all the time .

The brain together with the central nervous system cannot make us experience anything else apart from what is already stored in it , or what it's programmed to react to. But when that happens ,insisting it's still the brain that has made it happen is foolish and ignorant talk by someone who is not too well informed of the science behind the human body .

Also the subconscious can make it possible to 'see' through walls to know what is happening behind it.,not with the physical eyes of course ,but through what some persons refer to as the third eye .Not an actual eye really ,but it's own unique way of making one perceive reality directly, far better than what the five physical senses can give us.

When the unconscious 'sees ' anything ,it flashes it across the screen of your mind so one is aware of it, and also for the brain to store and process it. But most people are so disconnected from their unconscious, or not fully conscious of their own consciousness , that they are not even aware when this happens within themselves ,

There is no part of the brain that can make one "see" through walls . But some persons have had that kind of experience and when they report it ,,some ignorant persons who believe it's not possible , would dismiss it with , Oh, You were just hallucinating or it was conincidence.

Furthermore ,the subconscious can make anybody perceive the smell of something beyond the normal range of what the brain can detect ..Some humans and animals ,sniffer dogs especially, can sense the 'smell' of an illness,, cancer ,diabetes, etc , weeks or months before it manifest in the human body . The brain is incapable of such function it's limited to only experiencing what is 'there ' already in the body .

And again ,the subsconscious doesn't forget anything. It is not like the brain which forgets easily and cannot store much information or know anything that's not stored within it.

Through hypnosis regression one can recall memories of what one has experienced in the past even to the extent of remembering the exact time one entered the physical body in their mother's womb. If it's possible to remember, through the subconscious , that sort of thing ,which is actually possible with hypnosis ,then ,it would only mean one thing , the real human being is not the same as the body it is believed it emerged from You cannot watch and see your body formimg in your mother's womb before possessing it and still delude yourself into thinking your conscousness or your self has emerged from it. It doesn't make sense .

And finally ,OBEs, which you are yet to accept, is another reason I say consciousness, the real self has not emerged from the brain . Yes , the brain and the central nervous system is what makes us have objective conscousness through the physical body ,but that's not enough reason to conclude it has emergred from it .

My phone, any phone or any other device that's internet enabled , is what gives me presence, or make me come alive on Nairaland, without which nobody can interact with me . Those devices are not me and not responsible for the thoughts I express eventhough it's through them I do so . If they become faulty or damaged, it will affect my presence , or what I try to do get across on this board.( The material plane )



The above analogy, though not perfect ,can help one understand how consciousness ,the real self inside uses a physical body to operate in the material plane . If the brain is dameged ,it is not the being using it that is
directjy affected ,but that only makes it more difficult , or no longer possible to manifest ones intentions through it, since everything coming in and going out then becomes garbled due to the faulty brain . .

The pain we feel when our body gets hurt is to alert us to what has happened withiin it so we can deal with or take care of the problem and continue to using the body . Without this ,you won't know what's going untill the body stops working . But one should know they are not the body , and will depart from it one day .

The human being is much more than its observable physical parts . but unfortunately neuroscientist and others within the scientific community are treating the human being like a machine whose outer body parts and engine once understood ,will make everything fall into place . Unless there is a paradigm shift in the sciences about the human being ,I'm afraid not much will be known . The mystification will continue .

Long time ago when I first started to meditate , I wasn't too sure if what I was doing was worth it or could help me in anyway . The reason for this was because the position of main stream science as at that time was,; meditation was harmful to one's mental health . That it causes depressions and also cannot help you make any meaningful changes within yourself as people who practiced it were claiming .


But my experiences proved otherwise . So I continue ,but with caution .

And now more than 20 years later ,the same scientist are now encouraging people to meditate because they found its helpful for those suffering from depression . Haba!

Well it's still good . It has helped people like me to take the practice more serious since scientist can now confirm it works .


There are meditative techniques to help one separate from the body ,but not easy to master . If you want it fast, then look for individuals with the ability to take you out of your body with your permission . Or join genuine esoteric group to give you the experience during your first initiatiion.

If you don't want to go through that ,then try this , tell you self each night people you go to sleep that you need an experience to confirm if ones consciousness can actually separate from the body . After that don't give it any thought . If it's something you are ready for ,your higher self , the subsconscious , will do everything to make you have the experience so you know the truth about yourself.

So thanks Lordreed for the question. I hope you read all .Most of the things I promised to come with yesterday ,before I was distracted, are contained in it

budaatum:
He doesn't know. He just wants to test if others know.

Speak for yourself . What do you know ?

Nothing .

You shared the link to an article containing certain info that are no longer current and don't even know it, yet you still want talk ? This is not the first time ,and you claimed you schooled in England ?

If that's true ,then you must have been one of the dullest in class . Who else if not a slowpoke that would reference an article written in 2017, without first confirming if everything there is still valid .

You continue to show why someone here once called you a scientific illiterate . That's what you are.

And please stop quoting me . I don't want to discuss with someone like you that maliciously edited my comments, out of the context it was made , and then match it with another one to misrepresent me .

Are you not ashamed for such display of stupidity ?

Rest old fool

triplechoice:
And please stop quoting me .

I will quote you as much as I want actually and subjectively.

triplechoice:
The subconscious mind can make us known directly things the observable human brain is incapable of making us sense or experience at any given time .

With the subconscious, one can have a precognition of an event that is yet to occur or know it before it manifest later. No part of the brain has been identified that can make this happen , yet some persons have this sort of experiences all the time .

Can you hear yourself presuming to be the only one here to have demystified what remains a mystery to you. Just about everyone on earth has a precognition of one sort or the other, from the precognition that a hammer would nail your ill-positioned finger to that woman you slept with without a condom will get pregnant all the way to the precognition you will fail if you do not study. Some even precognise that some shares they bought on the stock market will rise or tank and therefore take appropriate actions to advantage themselve, or that the plan they've devised will result in a 100 floor tower or that this particular rocket will land on Mars, but you think and want to continue to believe and want others to believe to that it's not their own brain precogniting when you manifest your so called ability to "see" through walls with your "third eye".

But what's more at issue is how you've not used any scientific mode of presenting your non-evidence but expect your very subjective "dem say" and "you say" to be taken as objective evidence.

Guess we'll see who it works on. Meanwhile, I'm giving you the critical reason award. You more than earned it.

Precognition vs premonition . Half education is dangerous .

If you have dream where a friend bought a particular brand of car for you ,and a week later , ,it happens in the waking state exactly the same way, and it's the exact brand of car ,that's a perfect example of precognitive dream . Meaning you saw the event ,all of it , and not just that you had an inkling of it happening .

And that's what I'm talking about . One should take time to critically analyse what another as described before interpreting it so as not to make a fool of oneself .

One should master how to think critically first before trying to teach others what it is .

Premonition

Precognition

That's the difference .

Half education is dangerous .

I have maintained that some of the things I present here are not fully supported by science ,but it doesnt mean they are not true , people have experienced them and these experiences ,scientist says, happen ,but can't be explained

There are truths not yet supported by science . Blind followers of science are ignorant of this fact .

The placebo effect is one of the truths science cannot explain, that is they still don't know the cause ,but know it works ,hence it's used in drug trials .

Is there a ' third eye' . What actually is it.

https://www.verywellmind.com/opening-your-third-eye-7501747

Here
Truths in the world science still can't explain.

https://www.sciencealert.com/9-phenomena-that-science-still-can-t-explain

Very embarrassing for someone who claimed to have schooled in England not to know the difference between precognition and premonition .

budaatum:
I will quote you as much as I want actually and subjectively.

And I will continue to expose your ignorance each time you do so ,and I just did that . Lol

You don't yet know what you into , or the person you are discussing with, if not ,you would have avoided me.

You are about to learn the hard way

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Some blind followers of science here don't understand what it really means to say something doesn't find scientific support yet ,but it's truth.

Some herbal remedies which are far effective than the orthodox ones sometimes don't find supported yet , . The truth here, is that it works ,but since scientist have not been able to identify the active constituents in the plant which gives it its healing property ,they will declare before they know it , that there is no evidence it can effect a cure ,even when people are already using it everywhere to treat themselves with perfect results .

Some ignoramous here dont understand this ,and carry this lack of understanding into every discussion , ' if it's not scientific proven it's not true ' or it can work who says

Go and educated yourself properly what is scientific evidence or scientific proven in the sciences , and how it's used .

Don't use your layman understanding to interpret technical terms in the sciences . You will only end up making a fool of yourself .




There are alternative methods to knowing truth in the world we live in , before main stream scientist could validate it.



Scientist only validate truths already existing nature , they don't create them and don't yet know everyone of the truths in this physical universe we collectively share as humans .

And anyone can stumble on this truths themselves if they know how , without having to wait for trained scientists which we all trust to do so before we know and accept them .

Half education is dangerous .

Who here has listened to Davido's hit jamb, already topping the charts in 17 countries and still counting

Dem go feel it ' !

Honestly this is the first I time have liked his music , and have been playing it on repeat as I type all of this .

Dem go feel it , dem go

I'm sure someone is feeling it here

triplechoice:
Here
Truths in the world science still can't explain.

https://www.sciencealert.com/9-phenomena-that-science-still-can-t-explain

No, scientists can’t explain it not science.

One of the characteristics of a monotheistic deity is “omni’science”, science is the only way to know and understand the universe.

The better we get at science the better it is for everyone .

triplechoice:
You are about to learn the hard way

You will teach me through the wall with your third eyes no doubt.

Maynmann:
No, scientists can’t explain it not science.

One of the characteristics of a monotheistic deity is “omni’science”, science is the only way to know and understand the universe.

The better we get at science the better it is for everyone .

You jumped into something you didnt even bothered to check what has gone on before now .

The discussion is not centered on any monotheistic deity or any kind of deity whatsoever . I'm not a theist .


You don't know the issue under contention . It's as simple as that .


Read first so you understand why I made that comment you have responded to . It has nothing to do with what you think .

budaatum:
You will teach me through the wall with your third eyes no doubt.

You are very predicted . I know you will respond this way to avoid dealing with the embarrassment your stupidity has caused you .

Look for someone else to teach you , or teach yourself .old fool who doesn't know the difference between precognition and premonition .

What is third. eye and where did I say I have a third eye .

Third eye is in quotes .Werey who doesn't know that if an expression is in quote it doesn't mean it literally. Dumbo

triplechoice:
Some blind followers of science here don't understand what it really means to say something doesn't find scientific support yet ,but it's truth.

Some herbal remedies which are far effective than the orthodox ones sometimes don't find supported yet , . The truth here, is that it works ,but since scientist have not been able to identify the active constituents in the plant which gives it its healing property ,they will declare before they know it , that there is no evidence it can effect a cure ,even when people are already using it everywhere to treat themselves with perfect results .

This is just utter nonsense. If a remedy effects a cure, it has worked. And that work is the evidence of its efficacy. And scientist will search to discover why it works because that's what scientists do, they find causes for effects, and effects for causes. And if one scientist ignores that effect or cause, many others wouldn't so science can not ignore. But who goes looking for "no evidence it can effect a cure" just because "people are already using it everywhere to treat themselves with perfect results"? Hasn't research shown numerous so called cures that have had no effect despite the user claiming they have? Should objective evidence of a cure not be ascertained before you claim it works?

I guess its to do with how your brain works. But I would however leave you with some wise words once uttered.
https://www.nairaland.com/6589774/sandra-ezekwesili-prophet-tb-joshua/6#102467464

triplechoice:
You are very predicted . I know you will respond this way to avoid dealing with the embarrassment your stupidity has caused you .

Look for someone else to teach you , or teach yourself .old fool who doesn't know the difference between precognition and premonition .

What is third. eye and where did I say I have a third eye .

Third eye is in quotes .Werey who doesn't know that if an expression is in quote it doesn't mean it literally. Dumbo

Oh, how disappointing. There was me literally thinking you had an extra eye in the middle of your forehead.